From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #704 Dead-Flames Digest #704, Volume #48 Fri, 28 Oct 05 16:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 (leftie) Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (Ken Fortenberry) Re: gimme gimme some a ("pbleers@hotmail.com") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted ("DevsVult") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (JC Martin) Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (Ken Fortenberry) Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (JC Martin) Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (Ken Fortenberry) Re: November download ("Andrew Murawa") Re: Phil at Bimbo's ("Mizshely") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (JC Martin) Re: Phil at Bimbo's ("Mizshely") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted ("Carlisle") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? ("pookietooth") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (JC Martin) Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Re: Phil at Bimbo's ("Mizshely") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Phil at Bimbo's ("DevsVult") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (leftie) Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (leftie) Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (JC Martin) Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 (crashedlevee@yahoo.com) Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (Ken Fortenberry) Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted ("Carlisle") Liberal Moonbats LOSE - Rove Scot Free!! ("grtflmark") Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("bill stefen") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leftie Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:52:23 -0700 s. craw wrote: > but there may be a point to saying THAT music can't be played well by anyone > BUT garcia. kinda like how you might feel hearing lawrence welk singing one > more saturday nite. There is a point like that. But it's not correct. ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:55:35 GMT DevsVult wrote: > "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: >>JC Martin wrote: >>> ... The land is worthless (other than to >>>the extremists on both sides) without Israel's economy. The reason >>>Palestine is so desirable has much to do with what Israel has done with >>>the land in recent history. >> >>Like steal it, you mean ? > > > No he means making it blossom with life......... That's part and parcel of the Zionist propaganda. Palestine had no vineyards, no orchards, no olive trees, no figs, no dates, no agriculture period, not to mention no culture of any kind. There was nothing in Palestine except a bunch of filthy Arabs squatting in the sand, having too many babies and eating their dogs. Until the brave and industrious and good-hearted Zionists came along. And now Palestine blossoms with life. That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian history but in reality it's racist nonsense. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "pbleers@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: gimme gimme some a Date: 28 Oct 2005 13:56:04 -0700 Nope. I passed. The last few times I saw them wasnt worth the effort. Set list looks decent though. Any reports? ------------------------------ From: "DevsVult" Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:57:56 -0400 "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message news:bfw8f.3410$Y61.2847@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com... > DevsVult wrote: > > "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: > >>JC Martin wrote: > >>> ... The land is worthless (other than to > >>>the extremists on both sides) without Israel's economy. The reason > >>>Palestine is so desirable has much to do with what Israel has done with > >>>the land in recent history. > >> > >>Like steal it, you mean ? > > > > > > No he means making it blossom with life......... > > That's part and parcel of the Zionist propaganda. Palestine > had no vineyards, no orchards, no olive trees, no figs, no > dates, no agriculture period, not to mention no culture of > any kind. There was nothing in Palestine except a bunch of > filthy Arabs squatting in the sand, having too many babies > and eating their dogs. Until the brave and industrious and > good-hearted Zionists came along. And now Palestine blossoms > with life. > > That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor > in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian > history but in reality it's racist nonsense. > > -- > Ken Fortenberry no it isn't. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:12:12 GMT Ken Fortenberry wrote: > DevsVult wrote: > >> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: >> >>> JC Martin wrote: >>> >>>> ... The land is worthless (other than to >>>> the extremists on both sides) without Israel's economy. The reason >>>> Palestine is so desirable has much to do with what Israel has done with >>>> the land in recent history. >>> >>> >>> Like steal it, you mean ? >> >> >> >> No he means making it blossom with life......... > > > That's part and parcel of the Zionist propaganda. Palestine > had no vineyards, no orchards, no olive trees, no figs, no > dates, no agriculture period, not to mention no culture of > any kind. Uh? Never heard that one myself. > That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor > in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian > history but in reality it's racist nonsense. You never addressed my Indian question. I'm part American Indian myself. So I ask you again...are you racist for maintaining and owning land stolen from my people? -JC ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:20:09 GMT JC Martin wrote: > Ken Fortenberry wrote: >> That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor >> in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian >> history but in reality it's racist nonsense. > > You never addressed my Indian question. That's right. Your question is what's known as a non sequitur. Kind of like If you smoke pot how can you be against stealing music ? -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:22:41 GMT DevsVult wrote: > "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message > news:bfw8f.3410$Y61.2847@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com... > >>DevsVult wrote: >> >>>"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: >>> >>>>JC Martin wrote: >>>> >>>>>... The land is worthless (other than to >>>>>the extremists on both sides) without Israel's economy. The reason >>>>>Palestine is so desirable has much to do with what Israel has done with >>>>>the land in recent history. >>>> >>>>Like steal it, you mean ? >>> >>> >>>No he means making it blossom with life......... >> >>That's part and parcel of the Zionist propaganda. Palestine >>had no vineyards, no orchards, no olive trees, no figs, no >>dates, no agriculture period, not to mention no culture of >>any kind. There was nothing in Palestine except a bunch of >>filthy Arabs squatting in the sand, having too many babies >>and eating their dogs. Until the brave and industrious and >>good-hearted Zionists came along. And now Palestine blossoms >>with life. >> >>That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor >>in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian >>history but in reality it's racist nonsense. >> >>-- >>Ken Fortenberry > > > no it isn't. Just for the record here, I believe Israel has a right to exist. I don't however support Israeli extremists and the anti-Arab hate campaign promoted by them, just as I've never believed Arafat to be a man who cared anything about peace. And Jews are certainly not above criticism for their disastrous security policies. But anyone insisting an established country give it all up ought to ready to insist that this happens anywhere and everywhere unjust land grabs have occurred historically. Good luck sorting that one out. But sorry Ken, you definitely come off as someone who targets Jews in a cause that you're unwilling to apply similar standards to yourself. That's elitism, and it's bullshit. So, no sell my man. I don't buy hypocrisy. -JC ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:22:51 GMT DevsVult wrote: > "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: >> ... There was nothing in Palestine except a bunch of >>filthy Arabs squatting in the sand, having too many babies >>and eating their dogs. Until the brave and industrious and >>good-hearted Zionists came along. And now Palestine blossoms >>with life. >> >>That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor >>in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian >>history but in reality it's racist nonsense. > > > no it isn't. Avert your eyes, Neil. Trainwreck in progress. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: November download Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:24:14 -0700 "Deke_Rivers" wrote in message news:1130511737.273138.258140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Not sure if this has been posted yet. November's download(Vol. 7) from > the official site is 9/3/80. > Pierre Wow. That looks like a real loser of a setlist, at least in terms of the 2nd set... Sailor>Saint into drums... ugh... I do have a couple of songs from this show as filler, and actually just downloaded those in the very recent past from archive.org too... The Stranger from this show is very good... ------------------------------ From: "Mizshely" Subject: Re: Phil at Bimbo's Date: 28 Oct 2005 14:26:37 -0700 Andrew, I LOVE you!!!! ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:26:55 GMT Ken Fortenberry wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> Ken Fortenberry wrote: >> >>> That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor >>> in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian >>> history but in reality it's racist nonsense. >> >> >> You never addressed my Indian question. > > > That's right. Your question is what's known as a non sequitur. Cheap out. > Kind of like If you smoke pot how can you be against stealing > music ? In other words, you're hypocrite who applies different standards to different situations based on your own prejudices. -JC ------------------------------ From: "Mizshely" Subject: Re: Phil at Bimbo's Date: 28 Oct 2005 14:28:24 -0700 joe, I LOVE you!!! Well said. I didn't steer you wrong, did I???? ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: 28 Oct 2005 14:35:02 -0700 Ken Fortenberry wrote: > DevsVult wrote: > > "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: > >>JC Martin wrote: > >>> ... The land is worthless (other than to > >>>the extremists on both sides) without Israel's economy. The reason > >>>Palestine is so desirable has much to do with what Israel has done with > >>>the land in recent history. > >> > >>Like steal it, you mean ? > > > > > > No he means making it blossom with life......... > > That's part and parcel of the Zionist propaganda. Palestine > had no vineyards, no orchards, no olive trees, no figs, no > dates, no agriculture period, not to mention no culture of > any kind. There was nothing in Palestine except a bunch of > filthy Arabs squatting in the sand, having too many babies > and eating their dogs. Until the brave and industrious and > good-hearted Zionists came along. And now Palestine blossoms > with life. > >> > -- > Ken Fortenberry You ever been to the Middle East? The Jewish people have done amazing things with the land they have settled. You visit Egypt, Jordan or any other Arab country then visit Israel, then decide where you would rather live. Israel is an oasis. Shalom! cc ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:35:43 GMT JC Martin wrote: > Ken Fortenberry wrote: >> JC Martin wrote: >>> Ken Fortenberry wrote: >>>> That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor >>>> in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian >>>> history but in reality it's racist nonsense. >>> >>> You never addressed my Indian question. >> >> That's right. Your question is what's known as a non sequitur. > > Cheap out. > >> Kind of like If you smoke pot how can you be against stealing >> music ? > > In other words, you're hypocrite who applies different standards to > different situations based on your own prejudices. What happened to the aboriginals of North America was both tragic and racist. However, using that tragedy to justify the tragedy in Palestine is wrongheaded. Is it really your intent to say that tragic racism is part and parcel of the human equation so just get over it already ? -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: 28 Oct 2005 14:36:01 -0700 Seems like people who don't like Kimock REALLY don't like him. I don't like Celine Dion but I don't give it a second thought after that. Why so much negativity against him? Don't like him, then get on with your lives please. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:44:00 GMT Ken Fortenberry wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> Ken Fortenberry wrote: >> >>> JC Martin wrote: >>> >>>> Ken Fortenberry wrote: >>>> >>>>> That bullshit may resonate with feel-good patriotic fervor >>>>> in your simpleminded, Sunday School version of Palestinian >>>>> history but in reality it's racist nonsense. >>>> >>>> >>>> You never addressed my Indian question. >>> >>> >>> That's right. Your question is what's known as a non sequitur. >> >> >> Cheap out. >> >>> Kind of like If you smoke pot how can you be against stealing >>> music ? >> >> >> In other words, you're hypocrite who applies different standards to >> different situations based on your own prejudices. > > > What happened to the aboriginals of North America was both > tragic and racist. However, using that tragedy to justify > the tragedy in Palestine is wrongheaded. Is it really your > intent to say that tragic racism is part and parcel of the > human equation so just get over it already ? No, but you don't erase a whole country because you decide that they weren't worthy of the land in the first place. You're not just arguing that the Palestinians deserve their own home, which I certainly would agree with. You don't even bring up the fact that Jordan stole some of that land themselves. Yet here you are advocating the eradication of just Israel and in it's place, some sort of forced multi-tribal nation state. Oh please, like that's gonna bring peace? -JC ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: 28 Oct 2005 14:54:02 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > Ken Fortenberry wrote: > > DevsVult wrote: > > > "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: > > >>JC Martin wrote: > > >>> ... The land is worthless (other than to > > >>>the extremists on both sides) without Israel's economy. The reason > > >>>Palestine is so desirable has much to do with what Israel has done with > > >>>the land in recent history. > > >> > > >>Like steal it, you mean ? > > > > > > > > > No he means making it blossom with life......... > > > > That's part and parcel of the Zionist propaganda. Palestine > > had no vineyards, no orchards, no olive trees, no figs, no > > dates, no agriculture period, not to mention no culture of > > any kind. There was nothing in Palestine except a bunch of > > filthy Arabs squatting in the sand, having too many babies > > and eating their dogs. Until the brave and industrious and > > good-hearted Zionists came along. And now Palestine blossoms > > with life. > > > >> > > -- > > Ken Fortenberry > > > > You ever been to the Middle East? > The Jewish people have done amazing things with the land they have > settled. You visit Egypt, Jordan or any other Arab country then visit > Israel, then decide where you would rather live. Israel is an oasis. > Shalom! I definitely don't know jack about all this like some folks here do. They have spent more time and effort researching. *However*, I see Israel receiving a lot of US aid partly due to the whole Judeo-Christian connection. If I lived next door and didn't get jack, I'd be jealous. I know we give tons of money to other countries in the Middle East, but you still need to contend with "leaders" blasting Israel and the US. What would you believe? BTW - I think Israel and Palestine (state) are a good thing. I agree with JC. Folks are going to learn to live with each other. That is the only choice. Kurt ------------------------------ From: "Mizshely" Subject: Re: Phil at Bimbo's Date: 28 Oct 2005 15:00:23 -0700 Hey Joe, still waiting for your email. I have backstage passes for you and Katrinka for Sunday in the park - if you want them. Katrinka, email me, too. I can hold passes at will call until 12:00 Noon. Michelle ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:02:11 GMT JC Martin wrote: > Ken Fortenberry wrote: > > What happened to the aboriginals of North America was both > > tragic and racist. However, using that tragedy to justify > > the tragedy in Palestine is wrongheaded. Is it really your > > intent to say that tragic racism is part and parcel of the > > human equation so just get over it already ? > > No, but you don't erase a whole country because you decide that they > weren't worthy of the land in the first place. You're not just arguing > that the Palestinians deserve their own home, which I certainly would > agree with. You don't even bring up the fact that Jordan stole some of > that land themselves. Yet here you are advocating the eradication of > just Israel and in it's place, some sort of forced multi-tribal nation > state. Oh please, like that's gonna bring peace? Any solution to the Palestinian problem will by necessity be a forced solution. A secular, democratic state is the only solution. Only in a secular, democratic state where there is a clear and forceful separation of church and state can the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians and the atheists and the followers of the noodly appendage live together in peace. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "DevsVult" Subject: Re: Phil at Bimbo's Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:03:08 -0400 "Mizshely" wrote in message news:1130536823.916065.86000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hey Joe, still waiting for your email. I have backstage passes for you > and Katrinka for Sunday in the park - if you want them. Katrinka, email > me, too. I can hold passes at will call until 12:00 Noon. > > Michelle > you sound like you might know Dave Lundquist, if you do does he come around the band's events anymore? ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:06:06 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > You ever been to the Middle East? > The Jewish people have done amazing things with the land they have > settled. You visit Egypt, Jordan or any other Arab country then visit > Israel, then decide where you would rather live. Israel is an oasis. Apartheid-era South Africa was better off than its neighbors too. But would you have wanted to live there? ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:07:21 -0700 pookietooth wrote: : Seems like people who don't like Kimock REALLY don't like him. I don't : like Celine Dion but I don't give it a second thought after that. : Why so much negativity against him? Don't like him, then get on with : your lives please. I think the frustration lies in that his style has changed for what some people believe is "worse" and we're lamenting over what was once a pleasing musical style. YMMV of course. b. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:07:52 -0700 By the way, do not, I repeat, do not allow this attempted change of topic to derail tonight's celebration of Libby's indictment. Nor should it detract focus from the fact that Karl Rove will be next. And rightly so. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:09:56 GMT Ken Fortenberry wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> Ken Fortenberry wrote: >> > What happened to the aboriginals of North America was both >> > tragic and racist. However, using that tragedy to justify >> > the tragedy in Palestine is wrongheaded. Is it really your >> > intent to say that tragic racism is part and parcel of the >> > human equation so just get over it already ? >> >> No, but you don't erase a whole country because you decide that they >> weren't worthy of the land in the first place. You're not just >> arguing that the Palestinians deserve their own home, which I >> certainly would agree with. You don't even bring up the fact that >> Jordan stole some of that land themselves. Yet here you are >> advocating the eradication of just Israel and in it's place, some sort >> of forced multi-tribal nation state. Oh please, like that's gonna >> bring peace? > > > Any solution to the Palestinian problem will by necessity > be a forced solution. A secular, democratic state is the > only solution. Only in a secular, democratic state where > there is a clear and forceful separation of church and state > can the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians and the > atheists and the followers of the noodly appendage live > together in peace. Now you're startin' to sound like a neo-con and to be honest, your solution is hardly a realist approach. It's not even worth considering Ken. Talk about a non sequitur. -JC ------------------------------ From: crashedlevee@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: 28 Oct 2005 15:22:39 -0700 "I was there when it counted..77-95" do you also play guitar? ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:30:02 GMT JC Martin wrote: > Ken Fortenberry wrote: >> Any solution to the Palestinian problem will by necessity >> be a forced solution. A secular, democratic state is the >> only solution. Only in a secular, democratic state where >> there is a clear and forceful separation of church and state >> can the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians and the >> atheists and the followers of the noodly appendage live >> together in peace. > > > Now you're startin' to sound like a neo-con and to be honest, your > solution is hardly a realist approach. It's not even worth considering > Ken. Talk about a non sequitur. It is the *only* realistic approach. You cannot have a state founded by Zionist terrorists and run to this day by international outlaws ruling Palestine by and for one minority part of the population. No force of arms nor foreign superpower can ever impose injustice indefinitely. Those who seek peace must pursue justice. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: 28 Oct 2005 15:52:52 -0700 leftie wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > > You ever been to the Middle East? > > The Jewish people have done amazing things with the land they have > > settled. You visit Egypt, Jordan or any other Arab country then visit > > Israel, then decide where you would rather live. Israel is an oasis. > > Apartheid-era South Africa was better off than its neighbors too. > But would you have wanted to live there? Totally different subject and I've never been there. But from what I've heard, yes I would rather have lived in Apartheid-era South Africa than any other post colonial African country. And you would too. Have a lovely weekend, people!! cpc ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Liberal Moonbats LOSE - Rove Scot Free!! Date: 28 Oct 2005 15:55:09 -0700 Take down you decarations because, "....the party's oooo-ver.." Fitzy didn't empanel another Grand Jury - which he would have HAD to if he had any intention of indicting Rove - so Rove is scot-free and justtifiably safe despite the oodles of spin and slander that the left has tried to cover him with - and despite the aboslute SCREAMING (waaay beyond "cheering") from the stands of the liberal moonbat media: NYT, NBC, CBS, ABC, Matthews, etc.. to indict ROVE/ Fitzy did the right thing and IGNORED their wishful thinking...... Libby is "small fish" at best - and he'll BEAT the thin charges against him that have only to do with the Grand Jury Process and NOTHING to do with any crime of "outing an agent"..... There was NO indictiment for "leaking" or "outing" the name of a CIA agent - so THAT turned out to be the BS we always thought it was --- there was NO crime announced involving "leaking" or "outing" Wilson's slut-wife: so NONE Occured!! HUGE Vindication for the White House....... Fitzy is gonna polish his apple a bit and go home - Rove is free, Cheney wasn't even thought about, there WAS no crime concerning Plame-slut --- This was a HELL of a Good Day Bush - and now he's gonna shove Janice Rogers Brown up the asses of Shuuu-mah, Lay-he, Durbin and Kennedy ......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! I'm LOVIN' this shit!!! ------------------------------ From: "bill stefen" Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:57:01 GMT no, believe me "because I'm always right, and I never lie." in fact "vote for me, the only logical choice." ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .