From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #700 Dead-Flames Digest #700, Volume #48 Fri, 28 Oct 05 11:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? (memory705@hotmail.com) Re: The year 1972 (JonP) Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("DanPopp") Re: Grateful Dead sounds like Adolf Hitler & Joseph Goebbels ! ("The Iron Muffin") Re: FUJI CD_R and DVD ALERT! (JonP) Re: Tie-dye hunters (SDC) ("Nick's Picks") Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("Bradish") Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("Bradish") Re: November download (DG) Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? ("Bradish") Re: Rove gets pass???? ("Bradish") Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 (wyeknot) Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? ("tim_ratdog") You don't ask, you don't get (NDC) ("Dylanstubs") Re: November download ("Deke_Rivers") Re: Rove gets pass???? (JC Martin) Re: Phil at Bimbo's (Joe) NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? (leftie) Re: Phil at Bimbo's ("Deke_Rivers") Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm ("pookietooth") Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted (leftie) Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? (naught@nil.com) Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("Peat her Rabbit") Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("Peat her Rabbit") Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 ("Peat her Rabbit") Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? (JC Martin) Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 (wyeknot) Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 (wyeknot) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: memory705@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? Date: 28 Oct 2005 09:51:04 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > wrote in message > news:1130513136.990872.259030@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > >> Rice is light years smarter than the literal imbecile Bush. Condi is > >> well > >> read, bright, quick, well traveled. Bush can't complete a coherent > >> sentence. > > > Oh I agree that Rice is a lot more prepared when she speaks in public, > > but their ideas, philosophies, and overall world view is so similar > > that I think they are equally intelligent. If you ignore their > > superficial speaking styles and listen to the actual content of what > > they say, they both give identical answers to questions. The thought > > process is identical. > > > > Bush may come across as less intelligent because he was probably a > > party animal in his youth while Rice was a hard working academic, but > > the fact that they see eye to eye on such complex global issues, they > > both think the same way, combined with the fact that they both share > > the same personal hobbies (i.e. faith and football) and relate so well > > to one another tells me they are equally intelligent. > > You realize that Bush simply parrots what Rice and her ilk tell him to say, > right? Perhaps Rice simply parrots what Bush tells her to say. There's an excellent article in the New Yorker that looks at Rice's views before she worked for Bush and demonstrates how he's influenced her to see the world his way. Of course their ideas were similar to begin with which is why he hired her, but he seems to have influenced her more than she influenced him, according to the article. > > Bush's worldview is so simplistic that he needs a Rice or a Powell to fill > in the millions of blanks. His entire foreign policy can be summed up > thusly: its hard work, we're staying the course, I will never change, > remain steadfast, let's smoke 'em out of their holes, Rice says pretty much teh same, she's just more polished because she's a career academic. It makes far more sense to judge a person's intellect by what they say, then by how they say it. Ideas and substance reflect intellect far better than superficial knowledge and style. and is there really a > country called Slovenia? > > Rice knows the names and history of every single world leader. She knows > the background and history of every country in the world. She knows how to > present herself and her positions in a diplomatic fashion because she has > actually heard of Slovenia. > She may have more geo-political knowledge than Bush, but that doesn't mean Bush is any less intelligent. Bush does not have a foreign policy background. ------------------------------ From: JonP Subject: Re: The year 1972 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:53:06 -0700 On 28 Oct 2005 07:43:07 -0700, "Dylanstubs" wrote: >> scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: >> The copy of 9/21/72 sounds pretty good, although I'm sure the official >> release will sound better. >> But dix may cut stuff out of their release..Songs, jerry solos, maybe a phil bass solo here or there but other than that and the 20 dollar price tag its probably one of the greatest dead shows ever....Ill never understand why they cut the shows up..And cutting up jerrys solos?...yikes... Jonp ------------------------------ From: "DanPopp" Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: 28 Oct 2005 09:55:11 -0700 That was one smokin' Cumberland. King Solomons Marbles is fun to hear and David and Barry made my night. Now it's Yosemite with a full mug of Hot Buttered Rum. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Crossposted-To: cz.zamestnani.hledam Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sounds like Adolf Hitler & Joseph Goebbels ! Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:05:33 -0400 RandyStoner wrote: > Dylanstubs wrote: > > > Gerry Lintonice wrote: > > > Yes, seems to be nazi music from the Third Reich. > > > > Well, there's a complaint I haven't heard before! I knew there was > > something subversive about Workingman's Dead. > > I guess I should have known when they did that 45 minute jam of the > Horst Wessel Lied > Wacht am Rhein > Deutschland uber Alles. "Fire...Fire on the Reichstag!" -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: JonP Subject: Re: FUJI CD_R and DVD ALERT! Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:57:57 -0700 On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:30:36 -0500, Tom wrote: >The first time I got stung on Fuji's rebate scams was on ZIP discs >years ago..Never got my rebate till 4 months later I called and made >a big stink etc.( I ALWAYS keep copies of rebate forms) Mysteriosly >arrived a few days later Well, fool me twice, I ordered CD_Rs and >never got the rebate etc. etc and the third time (hey they OFFER good >rebates) I fell for the "If you register your rebate online you gets >your rebate in 2 weeks" trick. Well 1 month later (who knows what they >did with my e-mail address but afterwards I had to change it due to >spam) I had to call, threaten etc. and mysteriously received it >shortly thereafter. Well what goes around... I got a $700 Fuji camera >for x-mas last year and guess what- I immediately returned it. I will >NEVER but anything from Fuji EVER AGAIN. I wonder if the few bucks >they made delaying my rebates saved them money on my returned camera? I never ever ever ever get stuff with a rebate unless the rebate is done at the register...There was some sort of study a couple of years ago about rebates and basically they said that most folks NEVER get rebates untill AFTER they complain about it to the company... Jonp ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: Re: Tie-dye hunters (SDC) Date: 28 Oct 2005 09:59:08 -0700 I did a report in a marketing class (1989) in college about this same concept. dying w/colors to match the environment. looks like someone else is making a biz of it. ------------------------------ From: "Bradish" Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:00:16 GMT wrote in message news:1130514502.854000.23260@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > were you there Bradish? My guess is your feet would have been moving if > you were. The jams were big. I was there when it counted..77-95 ------------------------------ From: "Bradish" Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:00:53 GMT "JimK" wrote in message news:tci4m1lg9acs64vof25u22tobcr00iqh35@4ax.com... > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:59:45 GMT, "Bradish" wrote: > >> >> wrote in message >>news:1130509529.776555.272600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> Olompali4 wrote: >>>> Ratdog >>> >>>> Eyes > Stronger than Dirt > Eyes >>> >>> That sounds interesting. >> >>It would have been interesting around 30 years ago. >> >>Now its oldies night >> > Either it was well played or it wasn't. The age of the songs is > irrelevant to the issue of whether the music was interesting. > I was refering to the age of the participants and the leader in particular. Plus, no Jerry makes it empty, IMHO ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: November download Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:03:43 -0700 Deke_Rivers wrote: > >Not sure if this has been posted yet. November's download(Vol. 7) from >the official site is 9/3/80. >Pierre Has anyone ever paid to download one of these? ------------------------------ From: "Bradish" Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:03:13 GMT "ba ba booie" wrote . > He's guaranteed good entertainment. > > No matter where I go. > > > Unless the venue is a dive! It seems to me that a crap venue is where good bands shine.... ------------------------------ From: "Bradish" Subject: Re: Rove gets pass???? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:04:37 GMT "JC Martin" wrote in message news:8vs8f.1299$te3.21468@typhoon.sonic.net... > Don Bean wrote: >> I hear that Rove gets a pass and Libby does not.... We will see >> today.......... > > > I hear differently. Libby gets indicted today. Rove is still under > investigation (likely to be indicted later)...meaning that Fitzgerald will > extend the grand jury. That's definitely not a good sign for the Bush > administration since folks like Dick Cheney and others could be looked at > in more detail. And IMO, the extending of the grand jury is a worst-case > scenario for the Bush administration. How about indicting some folks here for spending every waking minute obsessing over politics? Go take a walk and enjoy the day...forget about washington for 30 minutes... ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:05:30 -0400 Bradish wrote: > "JimK" wrote in message >>On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:59:45 GMT, "Bradish" wrote: >>> wrote in message >>>news:1130509529.776555.272600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>>Olompali4 wrote: >>>> >>>>>Ratdog >>>> >>>>>Eyes > Stronger than Dirt > Eyes >>>> >>>>That sounds interesting. >>> >>>It would have been interesting around 30 years ago. >>> >>>Now its oldies night >>> >> >>Either it was well played or it wasn't. The age of the songs is >>irrelevant to the issue of whether the music was interesting. > > I was refering to the age of the participants and the leader in particular. > Plus, no Jerry makes it empty, IMHO No Eagle makes your post empty. I was in this newsgroup when it counted (whatever the f*ck that means).### Matt ------------------------------ From: "tim_ratdog" Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: 28 Oct 2005 10:07:03 -0700 ThinCover wrote: > This is the best bad review I've read in a long time. "Aural > Velveeta," ha! > Yikes that is one harsh review. Some ok points and some over the top meanness - which means I agree with some of it and disagree with other bits of it. Rather than ask the question you could download from archive.org and hear for yourself. I just picked up this CD while at the SKB show last night based on reviews from rmgd. I got up to song 5 or so on the way home and had to switch to some gd '72 to stay awake for the rest of the ride - but I did listen to song #3 whatever that is twice because it is pretty darn nifty. -tim ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: You don't ask, you don't get (NDC) Date: 28 Oct 2005 10:07:48 -0700 I noticed that my web space provider (ixwebhosting.com) was offering 2500mb of space on their Economy Plan. My alloted space on the same plan was only 500mb. Turns out they improved the plan after I signed up for it, and they weren't automatically upping the amount of disk space. So I called and they gave me the extra space for free. I had a similar thing with my Verizon DSL line, where they upped the speed for new subscribers, but existing subscribers had to call and ask for it, also free. Gotta watch these people. ------------------------------ From: "Deke_Rivers" Subject: Re: November download Date: 28 Oct 2005 10:16:32 -0700 >Has anyone ever paid to download one of these? I picked up 6/18/76. Was not disappointed. Pierre ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Rove gets pass???? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:21:46 GMT Bradish wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:8vs8f.1299$te3.21468@typhoon.sonic.net... > >>Don Bean wrote: >> >>>I hear that Rove gets a pass and Libby does not.... We will see >>>today.......... >> >> >>I hear differently. Libby gets indicted today. Rove is still under >>investigation (likely to be indicted later)...meaning that Fitzgerald will >>extend the grand jury. That's definitely not a good sign for the Bush >>administration since folks like Dick Cheney and others could be looked at >>in more detail. And IMO, the extending of the grand jury is a worst-case >>scenario for the Bush administration. > > > How about indicting some folks here for spending every waking minute > obsessing over politics? > > Go take a walk and enjoy the day...forget about washington for 30 minutes... What are you, some mind reader or something? I don't think about politics all day and I happen to hike far more than your average guy or gal. Yeah, I like discussing politics with some people here. Different strokes for different folks bud. Discussing politics just isn't a negative for me. If political posts bum you out so much and preclude you from enjoying the day, don't read 'em. Sheesh. -JC ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Phil at Bimbo's Date: 28 Oct 2005 17:28:14 GMT Without a doubt, it was the best Phil show I've ever seen. But first...I had my very first, bona-fide "senior moment" in the middle of the show. My companion turned to me, and asked about a show we'd seen together about 6 months ago. I looked at her dumb-founded, and finally said something like, "what are you talking about? I've never seen you before in my life." And to think...we've been going to shows together for the past 3 years. And, she was tripping on 'schrooms; I wsn't. So, the whole rest of the night, I kept getting asked, "Do you know me now"? Moving right along...it wasn't really "Phil Lesh and Friends." It was David Nelson and (New) Friends. Man oh man. David Nelson + Barry Sless = The David Nelson Band. It was a great warm up for next week's 3 shows. That said, I prefer Mookie to Rob Barraco, but having Jimmy Herring long was pretty good. The drummer played really fast, but it was really DNB. I think Phil finally found his proper station in life. Being the fill-in bass player for DNB, until Billy fully recovers from his rat bite. That said, I really appreciated the fact that Phil's microphone didn't even seem to be turned on, most of the time. Not the greatest DNB setlist ever, but definitely, this was a DNB show. Joe ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:30:41 GMT Why in the hell has it taken this long to indict that preppie, neo-con, traiterous son-of-a-bitch ? I mean shouldn't it be illegal to be older than 19 and still be called "Scooter" ? And shouldn't Dick Cheney be locked in a room and sexually assaulted by a horny as hell 800 pound gorilla fired up on cheap meth ? Inquiring minds need to know. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:34:46 -0700 tim_ratdog wrote: > I just picked up this CD while at > the SKB show last night based on reviews from rmgd. I got up to song 5 > or so on the way home and had to switch to some gd '72 to stay awake > for the rest of the ride - but I did listen to song #3 whatever that is > twice because it is pretty darn nifty. This disc grew on me a lot with a couple of listens. The first listen had my expectations overwhelming the sounds. After I could really hear what was there I came to like the release a lot. I think that Vermont reviewer *maybe* listened to *some* of this disc once and let his preconceptions do the rest. ------------------------------ From: "Deke_Rivers" Subject: Re: Phil at Bimbo's Date: 28 Oct 2005 10:35:35 -0700 > I looked at her dumb-founded, and finally >said something like, "what are you talking about? I've never >seen you before in my life." >And to think...we've been going to shows together for the past >3 years. And to think I expected you to remember 12/31/77...haha. Pierre ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm Date: 28 Oct 2005 10:41:19 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/boo2y Ahhh! Not that one again. It may be just me but if I stare long enough at that guitar I see Satan's face. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: NDC Neo-con traitor indicted Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:43:38 -0700 It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas! :-) ------------------------------ From: naught@nil.com Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:45:51 +0000 (UTC) leftie wrote: > > This disc grew on me a lot with a couple of listens. The first listen > had my expectations overwhelming the sounds. After I could really hear > what was there I came to like the release a lot. > > I think that Vermont reviewer *maybe* listened to *some* of this disc > once and let his preconceptions do the rest. Meh, it's just a reviewer doing what reviewers do. It's no different from the many bad reviews the Dead, or any number of good acts have gotten from the random reviewer. Either a kind of music grabs you or it doesn't. If you're coming from an entirely different set of expectations, looking for a different set of aesthetics, you're guaranteed to not like stuff that doesn't fit. Hell, I remember reviewers absolutely excoriating Glenn Gould. As a musician, you have to do what you have to do. The only types of comments or reviews I ever take issue with are those with misinformation, like "lack of jazz training." In Kimock's instance, I assure you that his grasp of harmony is very andvanced. It just may not be the kind of conception of harmony that turns a jazz guy on. ------------------------------ From: "Peat her Rabbit" Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:28:56 GMT It would have been interesting around 30 years ago. Now its oldies night exactly!! can you say "milking the turkey"? ------------------------------ From: "Peat her Rabbit" Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:29:18 GMT 95 did not count ------------------------------ From: "Peat her Rabbit" Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:31:42 GMT some people like hearing mickey hart singing. some prefer his playing drums. some prefer hearing garcia play guitar. some prefer his painting. de gustabis non disputandum est ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Is Steve Kimock really this bad? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:56:01 GMT naught@nil.com wrote: > leftie wrote: > >>This disc grew on me a lot with a couple of listens. The first listen >>had my expectations overwhelming the sounds. After I could really hear >>what was there I came to like the release a lot. >> >>I think that Vermont reviewer *maybe* listened to *some* of this disc >>once and let his preconceptions do the rest. > > > Meh, it's just a reviewer doing what reviewers do. It's no different from > the many bad reviews the Dead, or any number of good acts have gotten from > the random reviewer. Either a kind of music grabs you or it doesn't. If > you're coming from an entirely different set of expectations, looking for > a different set of aesthetics, you're guaranteed to not like stuff that > doesn't fit. Hell, I remember reviewers absolutely excoriating Glenn > Gould. As a musician, you have to do what you have to do. The only types > of comments or reviews I ever take issue with are those with > misinformation, like "lack of jazz training." In Kimock's instance, I > assure you that his grasp of harmony is very andvanced. Really? On what level would you say? Compositionally, I'm not blown away. Someone like Fleck (another jam-jazzy-lite guy) is far more sophisticated harmonically and his compositions bear that out. -JC -JC >It just may not > be the kind of conception of harmony that turns a jazz guy on. ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:05 -0400 Peat her Rabbit wrote: > some people like hearing mickey hart singing. some prefer his playing > drums. some prefer hearing garcia play guitar. some prefer his painting. > de gustabis non disputandum est And some people like spouting. Matt ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Bob Set/Phil Set 10-27 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:53 -0400 Peat her Rabbit wrote: > It would have been interesting around 30 years ago. > > Now its oldies night > > exactly!! can you say "milking the turkey"? Can you say "attribution"? 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