From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #684 Dead-Flames Digest #684, Volume #48 Thu, 27 Oct 05 01:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Is there a good copy of 5/8/77? (Ben) Re: cheney = traitor (JimK) White Sox Win ("Olompali4") Re: White Sox Win (Ben) Re: India CDRs? (The Lord of Eltingville) audio stream of Fillmore West 69 compilation ("titanarch@gmail.com") Re: DYLAN TO ENGLISH DICTIONARY ("Stig") Re: India CDRs? ("Millhaven") Re: White Sox Win ("band beyond description") Re: cheney = traitor (Seth Jackson) Re: moe. mule-- a micro review ("Bill") Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! ("Bill") Re: jams you enjoy other than gdead (fogdog) Re: jams you enjoy other than gdead (fogdog) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Subject: Re: Is there a good copy of 5/8/77? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:47:56 -0700 On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:14:16 -0600, Jeff wrote: >Don't look now, but those black helicoptors outside aren't delivering pizza The red & blue helicopters deliver pizza - the black ones deliver the mail. ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: cheney = traitor Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:22:31 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:20:48 -0700, DG wrote: >leftie wrote: >> >>Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >> >>> This leaking business is much ado about nothing, especially as you describe >>> it. >> >>Fitzgerald Focus: An Anonymous Star on the CIA's Wall of Honor >>by MoronMike >>Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 04:16:33 PM PDT >> >>With the Republicans girding for indictments on such "trivial" matters >>as perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to investigators, let's be >>clear on what is at the heart of Fitzgerald's investigation: The >>violation of one or more federal statutes concerning the naming of >>covert CIA agents and/or their NOC companies. >> >>While there are many interesting facets of this case, what started it >>all, and the most important element, are the real-world consequences of >>outing covert agents. >> >>This from Wikipedia: >> >> An anonymous star was added to the wall between named stars that >>can be dated to deaths on February 5, 2003 and October 25, 2003. The >>anonymous star thus fits the timing of the Plame leak. Wayne Madsen, a >>reporter and former NSA employee, has claimed, "CIA sources report that >>at least one anonymous star placed on the CIA's Wall of Honor at its >>Langley, Virginia headquarters is a clandestine agent who was executed >>in a hostile foreign nation as a direct result of the White House leak." >> >>So, for all those out there who think this is just politics, think about >>the person behind that anonymous star. >> >>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/25/191633/61 > > >If this is a direct result of the leak then the death penalty should >be considered. > I'm not totally dismissing it, but if this was true I think we'd have heard a lot more about it. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: White Sox Win Date: 26 Oct 2005 21:27:10 -0700 SSIA ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: White Sox Win Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:54:54 -0700 On 26 Oct 2005 21:27:10 -0700, "Olompali4" wrote: >SSIA Is it over then? Can I watch the Simpsons now? ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: India CDRs? Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:32:51 -0400 Richard Morris wrote: > > "The Lord of Eltingville" wrote in > message news:djpd8b01a8i@news1.newsguy.com... > > Roger wrote: > >> > >> drumsandwires@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > Slightly off topic but I returned a spindle of Sony CD-Rs to Target > >> > this week. Many of the disks were defective. > >> > > >> > I know most members of the group are Fuji purists but I can't always > >> > find Fujis and have had good luck with other CD-Rs. For instance, most > >> > members disparage Maxell and Memorex but I have actually found Maxell > >> > to be the most reliable. I am just speaking from my own experience. > >> > > >> > In any case, there are Sony's out there that seem to be bad as near as > >> > I can tell. > >> > > >> > >> I use Japanese discs, mostly Fuji, to archive my shns and flacs, but > >> use Maxell or Memorex to burn audio for listening at home or in my > >> truck. Those brands are cheap enough to be disposable. Many get damaged > >> in my vehicle, so I just toss them and burn another copy. I have found > >> Maxell and Memorex superior to Sony - I get more skips with Sony discs. > > > > Odd, considering they're all made at the same favotry...Ritek. > > > > Although I stopped archiving to CDR a while back, in favor of DVD+Rs, I > > keep a spindle or two of CDRs on-hand for burning freebies for friends. > > They're the cheapo Staples brand, and in almost two years of using those > > for freebies, not one person has had a problem playing them or had a > > disc go bad -- and that's even with them being burned at 40x thru 52x... > > > > A big tip 'o the hat to Nick for turning me onto the Staples discs when > > he did a freebie for me ages ago. > > Thanks for the tip ... I have been using generic TYs for a while now without > problem. Although you have to take it as an act of faith that you are > actually getting TYs! > > R. http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-how-to-tell-fake-or-real.html ------------------------------ From: "titanarch@gmail.com" Subject: audio stream of Fillmore West 69 compilation Date: 26 Oct 2005 22:17:27 -0700 Can't believe I haven't seen this mentioned... http://www.contactmusic.com/new/home.nsf/webpages/gratefuldeadx25x10x05 ------------------------------ From: "Stig" Crossposted-To: alt.culture.us.1960s,rec.music.dylan,alt.music.byrds,rec.music.gdead Subject: Re: DYLAN TO ENGLISH DICTIONARY Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:26:29 -0700 You are a troll, please go away. "ARON KAY" wrote in message news:PFQ7f.2924$0V6.1219@trndny06... > DYLAN TO ENGLISH DICTIONARY BY AJ WEBERMAN > > > > > The Yippie! Museum Press / 9 Bleecker Street / New York, New York / 10012 > > yippiemuseumpress@nyc.rr.com announces its 2005 publication list: > > > > November 2005: Dylan to English Dictionary > by A.J. Weberman (the inventor of Dylanology) > ISBN: 1-4196-1338-3 > Binding: Trade Paper > 560 pages $32.99 > > > > December 2005: The Pie And The Mighty > > by Aron Morton Kay (Yippie! Pie Thrower) > > > > THE CORE MEANING OF DYLAN'S POETRY REVEALED FOR THE FIRST TIME > > Future literary historians will realize two things: That Bob Dylan is the > Whitman or Sandberg of his generation and that the relationship between > A.J. > Weberman and Dylan was similar to that of the relationship between Paul > Verlaine and the opium smoking Arthur Rimbaud. Weberman is Bob Dylan's > toughest critic (Verlaine shot Rimbaud over an argument about poetry) and > is > also Dylan's most vocal advocate when it comes to demonstrating the genius > of Dylan's poetry. > > To prove his contention he has written the Bob Dylan To English Dictionary > that translates about 800 words from the poetic language Dylan has > developed > into everyday English. When a translated word appears in the same > sentence, > verse or paragraph next to a string of already translated words all these > translated words make sense within the logic inherent in language forming > a > coherent thought and parallel the contemporaneous events in Dylan's life > at > the time the poem was composed. AJ Weberman has unearthed a degree of > consistency in Dylan's use of words that can only be intentional and has > done what no one has done before - made public the metaphorical and > allegorical meaning of Dylan's poetry with a high degree of accuracy. If > you > don't have a copy of this book you can click > http://dylanology.com/sample.pdf for a taste but you got to look at the > work > in its totality to judge the degree of consistency that has been carefully > contrived by Robert Allen Zimmerman, boy genius. AJ has unzipped his > poetry > just as one would unzip a compressed file, using a certain formula known > as > the Dylanological Method, which he reformulated while doing a federal > prison > sentence (his dog bit a mailman) since AJ had "time to think about it for > awhile" (Dylan, When The Night Comes Falling From the Sky 1985). This is > Weberman's contribution to American Literature, although he will probably > be > remembered for his having originated garbology, a now widely accepted > journalistic technique. "The perfect book for Dylan fanatics." --Paul > Krassner, author of One Hand Jerking: Reports From an Investigative > Satirist > > > > A.J. Weberman is best known for his analysis of Dylan's garbage and for > having been beaten up mercilessly by Bob Dylan on Elizabeth Street in > Manhattan in the early 1970's. Dylan viewed this incident as the "laughter > down on Elizabeth Street / And a lonesome bell tone in that valley of > stone > / where [he] bathed in a stream of pure heat" (Where Are You Tonight, > 1978). > A.J. is featured on Joel Gilbert's DVD Bob Dylan World Tours 1966 to 1974, > and will appear on Gilbert's next DVD. Chromedreams in the UK released > Weberman's legendary telephone conversations with Dylan. Rolling Stone > Books > will soon publish an interview Weberman did with Dylan. Weberman was a > character in Don DeLillo's Underworld, "Detwiler had been a fringe figure > in > the sixties, a garbage guerilla who stole and analyzed the household trash > of a number of famous people. He issued mock-comintern manifestos about > the > contents, with personal asides, and the underground press was quick to > print > this stuff. His activities had a crisp climax when he was arrested for > snatching the garbage of J. Edgar Hoover from the rear of the Director's > house in northwest Washington and this is what people remembered" and he > his > featured in Mark Jacobson's book, Teenage Hipster in the Modern World. AJ > is > mentioned in numerous articles and books about Bob Dylan and an > independent > film company in the UK is currently putting together The Ballad of AJ > Weberman. AJ is the author of My Life In Garbology (Stonehill Press, 1980) > and Coup D'Etat In America: The CIA and the Assassination of JFK (The > Third > Press, 1975, Quick Publishing Co 1992). The latter book is in its fourth > edition and also available from amazon.com as is The Dylan To English > Dictionary. Joan Baez related in NO DIRECTION HOME: "Dylan would always > say, > 'What do you think of this?' 'I didn't understand the thing at all but I > loved it so I said, 'Okay, I'm gonna figure this one out.' So I read it > and > gave back my interpretation of what it was about and he said, 'That's > pretty > fuckin' good.' And he said 'Years from now all these people, all these > assholes, are going to be writing about all the shit I write...and what it > means.'" > > > > A Dylan Data Base is available at http://dylanology.com/wrtwrddb.htm > > > > > > The Yippie! Museum, and The Yippie! Museum Press are dedicated to > preserving > the works and artifacts of the leaders and members of the Youth > International Party, a loose-knit organization founded in 1968 by Abbie > Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Paul Krassner, Stew Alpert and others. Dana Beal, an > organizer for Cures-Not-Wars, serves as Curator and the Board Members > include: William Prop of WBAI radio, John Sinclair, former Prisoner Of > Weed > (POW) and founder of the White Panther Party, Stewart Albert, founding > member of the Yippies! and Vietnam Day Committee, Paul DeRienzo, radio > journalist, Steve Conliff, historian of Native American History and > several > other surviving political activists. > > ------------------------------ From: "Millhaven" Subject: Re: India CDRs? Date: 26 Oct 2005 22:40:23 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > Roger wrote: > > > > drumsandwires@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Slightly off topic but I returned a spindle of Sony CD-Rs to Target > > > this week. Many of the disks were defective. > > > > > > I know most members of the group are Fuji purists but I can't always > > > find Fujis and have had good luck with other CD-Rs. For instance, most > > > members disparage Maxell and Memorex but I have actually found Maxell > > > to be the most reliable. I am just speaking from my own experience. > > > > > > In any case, there are Sony's out there that seem to be bad as near as > > > I can tell. > > > > > > > I use Japanese discs, mostly Fuji, to archive my shns and flacs, but > > use Maxell or Memorex to burn audio for listening at home or in my > > truck. Those brands are cheap enough to be disposable. Many get damaged > > in my vehicle, so I just toss them and burn another copy. I have found > > Maxell and Memorex superior to Sony - I get more skips with Sony discs. > > Odd, considering they're all made at the same favotry...Ritek. I had problems with Sony discs even when they were made in Japan. Maybe its the reflector or the label? Often my standalone CD player just didnt like them so I couldnt flip through tracks etc ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: White Sox Win Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:19:37 +0900 "Olompali4" wrote in message news:1130387230.551508.166830@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > SSIA > Sweep Home Chicago! Heads out of sand, East and West Coasters! -- Peace, ~ Steve ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: cheney = traitor Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:28:45 GMT On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:22:31 -0400, JimK wrote: >On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:20:48 -0700, DG wrote: > >>leftie wrote: >>> >>>Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >>> >>>> This leaking business is much ado about nothing, especially as you describe >>>> it. >>> >>>Fitzgerald Focus: An Anonymous Star on the CIA's Wall of Honor >>>by MoronMike >>>Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 04:16:33 PM PDT >>> >>>With the Republicans girding for indictments on such "trivial" matters >>>as perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to investigators, let's be >>>clear on what is at the heart of Fitzgerald's investigation: The >>>violation of one or more federal statutes concerning the naming of >>>covert CIA agents and/or their NOC companies. >>> >>>While there are many interesting facets of this case, what started it >>>all, and the most important element, are the real-world consequences of >>>outing covert agents. >>> >>>This from Wikipedia: >>> >>> An anonymous star was added to the wall between named stars that >>>can be dated to deaths on February 5, 2003 and October 25, 2003. The >>>anonymous star thus fits the timing of the Plame leak. Wayne Madsen, a >>>reporter and former NSA employee, has claimed, "CIA sources report that >>>at least one anonymous star placed on the CIA's Wall of Honor at its >>>Langley, Virginia headquarters is a clandestine agent who was executed >>>in a hostile foreign nation as a direct result of the White House leak." >>> >>>So, for all those out there who think this is just politics, think about >>>the person behind that anonymous star. >>> >>>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/25/191633/61 >> >> >>If this is a direct result of the leak then the death penalty should >>be considered. >> >I'm not totally dismissing it, but if this was true I think we'd have >heard a lot more about it. You don't think the White House would be doing everything possible to cover it up? ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: moe. mule-- a micro review Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:37:39 GMT "Neil X." wrote > > > joker4153@comcast.net wrote: > > > > I've been seeing moe. since 1997 and have > > never seen a moe. gig I didn't like...a lot. > > > Amazing. I've never seen a .moe show that wasn't, IMO, numbingly bad. > When it comes to jambands, I'm pretty much a bottom feeder, I can find > something of value in most of them. But Rusted Root and .moe, I just > don't get it. > > Different Strokes, > Neil X. I haven't seen RR but the one show I saw of Moe at the Fillmore (a good venue) left me very unimpressed - lots of mindless jamming that went on and on and on to the point where I was bored (that shouldn't happen at the Fillmore). They're probably talented musicians (I saw the guitarist named Al something jam with Galactic one time and his guitar playing sounded great) but they need to listen to themselves on tape so they can see how they can tighten up their jams so that the jams/songs evolve in some interesting directions. At least that was my take on it. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:00:16 GMT "JimK" wrote > > "Bill" wrote > > > > JimK" wrote > >> As far as Garcia v. Frisell, I'd love to have'em both in the same > >> band. > > > >Not me. Weir was perfect for Garcia. Frisell would be noise to Garcia's > >playing like Clarence Clemmons was in the JGB. > > > >Bill > > > Can't agree there. Actually, I find a lot of similarities in the > styles of Weir and Frisell. Both play a lot of those jagged, edgy > chords. I can't imagine calling Frisell's playing "noise" no matter > what the context. And comparing him to Clarence Clemons has to be a > joke, right? > > JimK My point was that Dead/JGB shows with guest musicians tended not to work well IMO because Garcia would hold back some, no matter what the talent of the musician playing with Garcia. Thus I preferred no guest musicians. I used Clarence Clemons as an example of this because that was the guest musician I saw the most play with Garcia (2 times I think). It was the same way when I saw Santana jam with the Dead on Keith's last show. I didn't mean to imply that Frisell's playing is noise - anybody guesting with Jerry was "noise" IMO for the reason I stated above - it resulted in less Jerry. But I'm no expert on Frisell (saw him once in a small hall about 10 feet away from him) so perhaps the playing of the two would mesh well (if they played together enough). One of the things I liked about Melvin Seals was that his sound meshed beatifully with Garcia's. Bill ------------------------------ From: fogdog Subject: Re: jams you enjoy other than gdead Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:21:20 -0400 fogdog wrote: > I got blind faith's self-titled album with the chick on the front of it > and man its a rockin' album. Does anyone have any other recommendations > for hard rocking albums much like this? anyone else? ------------------------------ From: fogdog Subject: Re: jams you enjoy other than gdead Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:26:56 -0400 Dylanstubs wrote: > The first Led Zeppelin album was amazing. The rest of them weren't too > shabby either. > Got them all! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .