From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #668 Dead-Flames Digest #668, Volume #48 Tue, 25 Oct 05 11:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace ("Stuknot") Re: Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd,Author (John Metzger) Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace ("Roger") Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! ("Bill") Re: need RRE 7/6/03 info (leftie) Re: RIP Wellington Mara ("Don Bean") Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! ("Bill") Re: cheney = traitor ("Don Bean") Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! ("Dylanstubs") Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! ("Bill") Anybody get Creamed @ the Garden last nite? (ba ba booie) Re: Pssssst! (Dead Content) ("Effty") Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("RickNBarbInSD") Hippie camo' dazes, confuses animals (ba ba booie) Re: RIP Wellington Mara ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: NFL, week 7 ("Andrew Murawa") Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace ("Andrew Murawa") Re: RIP Wellington Mara ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: American dead in Iraq reaches 2000 (Walter Karmazyn) Re: cheney = traitor ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("Ray") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuknot" Subject: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace Date: 25 Oct 2005 09:58:01 -0700 RickNBarbInSD wrote: > . ------------------------------ From: John Metzger Subject: Re: Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd,Author Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:59:38 GMT The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > John Metzger wrote: > >>Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd, Author >>of The Complete Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics >> >>What was the Pride of Cucamonga? Who was Tom Banjo? What could a >>"double-e waterfall" possibly be? These are just a few of the questions >>upon which David Dodd sheds light in his new book The Complete Annotated >>Grateful Dead Lyrics. Spanning the Jerry Garcia-penned Can't Come Down >>from 1965 to Mickey Hart's recent composition You Remind Me, the >>comprehensive tome contains all of the songs that the Grateful Dead >>performed, plus a few other closely related selections, each of which is >>adorned with an array of fascinating facts and intriguing cross-references. >> >>To read an article about the book based upon an interview with David >>Dodd, please visit: >> >>http://www.musicbox-online.com/dd-dead.html > > > > Now that it's being officially released in book form, I wonder if it'll > be pulled off the internet... ;-> No, it won't. ------------------------------ From: "Roger" Subject: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace Date: 25 Oct 2005 10:01:39 -0700 ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:01:06 GMT "JimK" wrote > > "al haig" wrote: > > >Just listened to the first set of 7-7-81 and YIKES is that a barn burner of > >a show!!! > > > >What Garcia does on that Bertha is just unreal. It's just insane at how > >great it is. Garcia is just brilliant on it. From there it goes into .... > > > >Dancin - oh my, oh-fuckin-my. This Dancin belongs on any list of the > >greatest Dancins ever. By '85, the song was dead (so to speak) but not in > >'81 because this version is just INSANE (I know I already used that word but > >just calling it like it is). The jam on this version is just soooooooooo > >killer. This is the best I've ever heard Brent jam. It's a soundboard tape > >so you can hear everybody excellently. Weir and Lesh play killer stuff too. > > > >Shit even the El Paso is excellent. > > > >Later in the set is a version of Lazy Lightnin > Supplication that belongs > >on any list of the greatest versions ever. Just unbelievable at how good > >they did that version that night. If you've got this show and you've been > >ignoring the first set - BIG MISTAKE! You're blowing it! > > > >Hopefully the second set is also this good. > > > >I also listened to 12-31-77, specifically the Jack Straw. Another song that I listened to from that show (12-31-77) that I forgot to mention was Tennessee Jed - that one deserves a big Wow too. The jam is epic - especially how Garcia ends it. Definitely one of the best versions I've heard of this song. I'm looking forward to hearing more from that show (and the second set of 7-7-81). Bill WOW! God were > >the Grateful Dead one killer band! God was Mr. Jerry Garcia playing > >unbelievable shit then! You got a certain jc fool here who says that a Bill > >Frissell is better than Garcia, then you hear the brilliance of Garcia's > >playing on shows like 12-31-77 or 7-7-81 or hundreds of other shows and you > >laugh at the musical cluelessness of such a fool. > > > >Anyway, 7-7-81 is gold. > > > >Bill > > > And you didn't even give a mention to the smokin' version of Big RR > Blues. I skipped it - the structure of the song kinda bores me. But on that night I'm sure it smoked. May through August of '81 was definitely one of the better > periods during the '80's. I'd extend it to September based on the Sept '81 Greek shows. > > As far as Garcia v. Frisell, I'd love to have'em both in the same > band. Not me. Weir was perfect for Garcia. Frisell would be noise to Garcia's playing like Clarence Clemmons was in the JGB. Bill > JimK > ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: need RRE 7/6/03 info Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:03:50 -0700 This was a really fun set to be at! :-) Railroad Earth 7/6/03 (late night) Tulsa E. Scott Bldg. High Sierra Music Festival Quincy, CA Disc 1: Lordy Lordy Butterfly & the Tree Mighty River Head Ragtime Annie Lee Where Songs Begin Whole Lot More of Jesus Disc 2: Old Plank Road Luxury Liner Pack a Day Birds of America Moonshiner Warhead Boogie Any Road Fire on the Mountain ------------------------------ From: "Don Bean" Subject: Re: RIP Wellington Mara Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:04:10 -0400 Im a Jets fan but I know what the Giants are all about... They are an old school organazation and there fans have been with them for a long time. Its like a big family.. And It all started at the top.. Football fans everywhere and especially NY fans were all sad today when they heard the news... RIP Mr Mara "Bzl." wrote in message news:3s73caFmpeq3U1@individual.net... > http://www.giants.com/news/press_releases/story.asp?story_id=10302 > > What a Class Act he was. > ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:04:37 GMT "Dylanstubs" wrote > > al haig wrote: > > Just listened to the first set of 7-7-81 and YIKES is that a barn burner of > > a show!!! > > No question. One of the greatest 1st sets of the 80s. I don't think the > 2nd set measures up to it. Well the Estimated > Eyes can't be all that bad. I'm looking forward to hearing it and the rest of the second set (space on this night might be really interesting). Bill > > Grateful Dead - July 7, 1981 > Municipal Auditorium - Kansas City, MO > > Recording Info: > SBD -> Master Cassette -> Reel -> Dat > > Transfer Info: > Dat (Sony R500) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude v7.02 Professional > -> FLAC > (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) > > Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller > charliemiller87@earthlink.net > August 23, 2005 > > Notes: > -- Seamless transition between Discs 2 and 3. > > Set 1: > d1t01 - Minglewood Blues -> > d1t02 - Bertha -> > d1t03 - Dancin' In The Street > d1t04 - Big Railroad Blues -> > d1t05 - El Paso > d1t06 - To Lay Me Down > d1t07 - Lazy Lightning -> > d1t08 - Supplication > d1t09 - Bird Song -> > d1t10 - Looks Like Rain -> > d1t11 - Deal > > Set 2: > d2t01 - Women Are Smarter > d2t02 - Candyman > d2t03 - Estimated Prophet -> > d2t04 - Eyes Of The World -> > d2t05 - Drums -> > d3t01 - Space -> > d3t02 - Truckin'-> > d3t03 - Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad -> > d3t04 - Black Peter -> > d3t05 - I Need A Miracle -> > d3t06 - Good Lovin' > > Encore: > d3t07 - Don't Ease Me In > ------------------------------ From: "Don Bean" Subject: Re: cheney = traitor Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:07:03 -0400 Its said that if indited Mr Libby and/or Mr Rove will step down.. Does this mean that Mr Cheney would step down too??? Bean "DG" wrote in message news:ltlsl15r1t7joov9ju5ihlfpkbv0ga6nsd@4ax.com... > > > So this prick leaked the name to the man who told the times. Time for > these guys to be charged, tried and let justice take it's course. > > ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Date: 25 Oct 2005 10:11:39 -0700 > Bill wrote: > "Dylanstubs" wrote > > > al haig wrote: > > > Just listened to the first set of 7-7-81 and YIKES is that a barn burner > of > > > a show!!! > > > > No question. One of the greatest 1st sets of the 80s. I don't think the > > 2nd set measures up to it. > > Well the Estimated > Eyes can't be all that bad. I'm looking forward to > hearing it and the rest of the second set (space on this night might be > really interesting). The Eyes is *really* speedy, tempo-wise. Nice GDTRFB and Good Lovin' too. Still prefer the 1st set to the second. ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:11:23 GMT "JimK" wrote > > And you didn't even give a mention to the smokin' version of Big RR I skipped it - the structure of the song kinda bores me. But on that night I'm sure it smoked. > Blues. May through August of '81 was definitely one of the better > periods during the '80's. I'd extend it to September based on the Sept '81 Greek shows. > As far as Garcia v. Frisell, I'd love to have'em both in the same > band. Not me. Weir was perfect for Garcia. Frisell might be noise to Garcia's playing like Clarence Clemmons was in the JGB. Bill > > JimK > ------------------------------ From: ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Anybody get Creamed @ the Garden last nite? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:06:06 -0400 Anybody get Creamed @ the Garden last nite? Just wondering if any reviews are out from last nites show. Anyone here go? Good, bad, ugly? booie....... .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (The concert hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "Effty" Subject: Re: Pssssst! (Dead Content) Date: 25 Oct 2005 10:15:16 -0700 Seth Jackson wrote: > The only show that's not available is 2/28, which > fortunately for me, was the one I already had (and possibly the best > of the bunch). Rah Rah Rah Rah Rocket Te Tocket Tocky Ta! Rah Rah Rah Rah Rocket Te Tocket Tocky Ta! ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 25 Oct 2005 10:32:01 -0700 Sparky the Wonder Dog wrote: > Support of Israel, even "tilting" towards Israel has been a > bi-partisan and nationally endorsed American ideal > What I mean, of course, is go pound sand. I have just three questions for you, Sparky the Wonder Dog, and they are as follows: 1) Do you put the security interests of the United States before that of all other currently existent nations? 2) Do you put the security interests of any other currently existent nation(s) before that of the United States? 3) Is/are there any other currently existent nation(s) whose security interests you put before the security interests of the United States? Please answer any or all of these various questions. Rick ------------------------------ From: ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Hippie camo' dazes, confuses animals Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:27:44 -0400 The whole town's talking: 'hippie camo' dazes, confuses animals By JOHN MORGAN Star-Tribune staff writer Tuesday, October 25, 2005 Dave Blackwell, a Cheyenne tie-dye artist and avid hunter, is perfecting his own style of camouflage that makes the animals he hunts feel dazed and confused when they come across his patterns in the wild. "It works in everything from deep forest to tall grass prairie," Blackwell told the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle. Blackwell said he uses custom dyes of light beige blended with greens and blues in an unconventional pattern to create a dizzying blur effect that trips out elk, antelope, deer and other hunters. "I've had an elk come within five yards of me, and I could see him moving his head from side to side, trying to squint and figure out what I was," he said. "He knew something was different, but he couldn't focus on it." Blackwell started tie-dying in 1993, following the Grateful Dead tours and selling his art to hippies. After the death of Jerry Garcia, Blackwell took up hunting and realized he could use the clothes of the peace-loving, nonviolent youth to stalk and kill trophy game animals. His regular tie-dyed clothes are sold in stores in Cheyenne and Laramie. For his special camo, call him at (307) 635-3866. bbb wrote: ***a dizzying blur effect that trips out elk, antelope, deer and other hunters.*** Yeah, that's what you want, to trip out other hunters while they're holding rifles pointed right at you. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (The concert hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: RIP Wellington Mara Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:10:19 -0700 "Stuknot" wrote in message news:1130259458.671077.298370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Bzl. wrote: >> http://www.giants.com/news/press_releases/story.asp?story_id=10302 >> >> What a Class Act he was. > > Amen. RIP Mr. Mara. > > John H. "In 1930, Timothy J. Mara, who had purchased the franchise in 1925, turned over the ownership to his two sons, Jack, 22 and Wellington, who was then 14." Maybe the 49'ers could consider a similar radical move................... ''Especially for a young boy who frequently suffered from colds. Then, as now, most home team benches were on the press box side of the field. Early in the game, the Giants' bench was covered in shadows, which exacerbated the cold Mara had that day. When she saw her son sniffling at home following the Giants' 14-0 loss to the Frankford Yellow Jackets, Mrs. Mara ordered Mr. Mara to move the team's bench to the sunny side of the field. Today, eight decades years later, it remains there, across the field from the press box. In the mid-1970s, Coach Bill Arnsparger asked Wellington to move the bench below the press box. "The visiting team's coaches can see our sideline signals from their seats in the press box," Arnsparger said. "Get better signals," Mara said. The Giants stayed in the sun." Never argue with a guy who saw the Frankford Yellow Jackets play.............. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Date: 25 Oct 2005 10:44:48 -0700 al haig wrote: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! We thought you were in control here, General!! Rick ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: NFL, week 7 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:42:51 -0700 "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message news:1130157700.663993.261430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > New England finally goes a week without losing anyone to injury. At least you've already settled on your excuse, right... hehe... Somewhat related, I loved the poll question on CBS today... If you could pick one quarterback to lead your team on a game-winning drive, who would you pick... I expected the options to be: a) Tom Brady b) Tom Brady c) Tom Brady d) Tom Brady e) I'm an idiot. Don't mind me. ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:43:47 -0700 Free at last.... ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: RIP Wellington Mara Date: 25 Oct 2005 10:46:55 -0700 .. ------------------------------ From: Walter Karmazyn Subject: Re: American dead in Iraq reaches 2000 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:49:08 -0700 http://www.afsc.org/2000/ W ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: cheney = traitor Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:19:42 -0700 "DG" wrote in message news:ltlsl15r1t7joov9ju5ihlfpkbv0ga6nsd@4ax.com... > > > So this prick leaked the name to the man who told the times. Time for > these guys to be charged, tried and let justice take it's course. This leaking business is much ado about nothing, especially as you describe it. Cheney isn't being accused of leaking anything, the Vice President of the United States is being accused of talking about a CIA agent with his chief of staff. If they can't discuss the CIA, who can? That's not leaking. Libby may have leaked the info to a reporter, and he may have lied about it to the investigators. That's the potential crime here, not the 2nd most powerful man in the government discussing secrets. Of course Cheney can discuss CIA business with others with top security clearances. Or is the CIA supposed to operate without anyone, even the Veep, knowing who they are and what they do? If somebody leaked the name and if somebody lied they should be called to account, tried, and punished accordingly. But this is such small potatoes compared to the other things this administration has done. Its fun to watch them squirm, and its gonna be fun to watch one or more of them face a judge and maybe even a jury. But there is no serious damage done to the CIA by any of this, certainly not by Cheney discussing it with his chief of staff. The minor damage done came after that, and was perpetrated by Libby or whoever. Cheney is off the hook unless someone is willing to testify to a conspiracy to leak the name led by Cheney. I can't imagine that happening, even as prosecutors try to flip Libby or whoever with threats of jail time. Those guys aren't gonna rat out Cheney even if he was the instigator. And we have no evidence that he was. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 25 Oct 2005 10:55:18 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > Ray wrote: > > Carlisle wrote: > > > Ray wrote: > > > > Carlisle wrote: > > > > > They got arrogant and played hardball. > > > > > > > > All indications suggest as much, yes. In this case, however, all > > > > indications suggest "playing hardball" included the outing of a covert > > > > CIA officer. Carlisle, earlier in this thread you stated that you > > > > didn't see why the outing of Plame was a big deal. After reading the > > > > responses here, including Marcinkowski's testimony, do you still not > > > > see what the big deal is, or have you changed your perspective on this? > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > No, I haven't changed my perspective. The law should be enforced...I'll > > > quote from the WSJ/Opinion Journal today: > > > "In July 2003, Joseph Wilson used his insider status as a former CIA > > > consultant to accuse the Bush Administration of lying about Iraq WMD as > > > an excuse to go to war. A political furor erupted, and Mr. Wilson > > > became an antiwar celebrity who joined the Kerry for President > > > campaign...Amid an election campaign and a war, Bush Administration > > > officials fought back. One way they did this was to tell reporters that > > > Mr. Wilson's wife, CIA analyst *Valerie Plame, had been instrumental in > > > getting him the CIA consulting job. This was true-though Mr. Wilson > > > denied it at the time-as a bipartisan report by the Senate Intelligence > > > Committee documented in 2004" > > > *"Ms. Plame was surely not undercover, and her own husband had > > > essentially made her 'outing' inevitable when he exploited his own CIA > > > consulting status to inject himself into the middle of a presidential > > > campaign."-from same piece 10/24/05 > > > Any of that off the mark? > > > > Yes, starting off with the very first sentence, which is a lie. If you > > disgree, then re-read Wilson's July 2003 essay, which I've already > > posted in this thread. As you can see if you actually read Wilson's > > essay, it did not accuse Bush Administration of lying but instead > > merely raised the possibility. > > > > This disinformation was published in, not suprisingly, a WSJ editoral. > > Did I mention that the WSJ editorial page is a rag? > > > > There are things that are not "on the mark" as well, including most > > importantly the declaration that Plame "was surely not undercover" - > > which is another lie. If you disagree, then substantiate how it is > > known that Plame "was surely not undercover" - thanks. > > > > You are far too credulous re- what you read in right wing rags, > > Carlisle - you're being playing played. > > "Carlisle - you're being playing played." It's true that I get alot of > my print news from the WSJ. So do I - except from their editorial page. > And yes, the Editorial page is biased > pro-business conservative. The WSJ Editorial page is a rag - they routinely grossly distort and lie. Just as they did in their editorial that you cited here. > Although we will continue to disagree. I > will say it's a reputable source for information..Ray will say it's a > "rag". We will go around and around in circles. I will become tired and > worn down from arguing with all the Old Guard of rmgd and leave my > computer. Charges will be thrown at me as I don't properly respond to > Richard, Ray, Steve, Ken, JC (hey young bruther), at least I don't Dave > Kelly's name in here. So I'm purposely going outside of the WSJ/Opinion > Journal for my information. I'm going to read The New Republic and the > Washington Post. Here is an investigative piece from the Post that > sheds a different light on Mr. Wilson. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/24/AR2005102401690_pf.html Carlisle, at issue here is whether Plame was outed as a CIA agent by the Bush Administration, and/or Bush Administration officials committed purgery during the investigation, correct? In which case, there is nothing in the Post article that addresses the issue at hand. The article addresses right-wing talking points raised by the WSJ editorial page and others who seek to change the topic - to Wilson's credibility. This is just a side issue and nothing more. For example, did Plame in fact recommend that Wilson go to Niger, even though both Wilson, and reportedly the CIA, insists otherwise? Who cares? That makes no difference in the context of whether Plame was outed as a CIA agent by the Bush Administration. It's a non-issue, Carrie - nothing but a diversion. And it's classic Bush Administration/right-wing rag tactics - if you can't address the issue attack the messenger to divert the issue. And the sick thing is that it works - even reputable newsapapers like the Post pick up the talking points, which gives some readers the incorrect impression that this stuff actually means something of importance with regards to whether the Bush Adminstration outed Plame. So back to the issue at hand: Carlisle, do you agree that, if Plame was a covert operative and the Bush Administration outed her, that that is a big deal? Also: As I have demonstrated to you, the Wall Streeet Journal grossly distorted and lied in the editorial page that you had cited. Doesn't that disgust you, and make you less inclined to believe them in the future? Please answer these questions, thanks. 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