From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #667 Dead-Flames Digest #667, Volume #48 Tue, 25 Oct 05 10:00:01 PDT Contents: The Lamb Lies Down in Berlin (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: moe. mule-- a micro review ("neurodancer") Re: jams you enjoy other than gdead ("Dylanstubs") Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions (JC Martin) Re: RIP Rosa Parks ("Don Bean") Re: The Lamb Lies Down in Berlin (eddie@ccil.org) Re: Blues for Uncle BoBo ("Rupert") Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: What's the Release Date on the Fillmore 10 CD Box Set? (JonP) Re: Free 50 cent donation for breast cancer . . . (JonP) RIP Wellington Mara ("Bzl.") cheney = traitor (DG) Re: cheney = traitor ("neurodancer") Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? (DG) Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? (leftie) Re: Blues for Uncle BoBo (leftie) Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm ("volkfolk") Re: Halloween Rant ("volkfolk") Re: Free 50 cent donation for breast cancer . . . (Jeff) Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace ("Dylanstubs") Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: The Lamb Lies Down in Berlin ("pookietooth") American dead in Iraq reaches 2000 ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: RIP Wellington Mara ("Stuknot") Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace ("Stuknot") Re: Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd,Author (John Metzger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: The Lamb Lies Down in Berlin Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:04:52 -0400 Peter Gabriel: From Genesis to midfield impresario By Steve James 1 hour, 38 minutes ago NEW YORK (Reuters) - He was a progressive rock star in the '70s, an MTV video icon in the '80s and a world music guru for the new millennium. He's also a record producer, songwriter, political activist and musical talent scout. A kind of multi-media artist-rebel -- with many causes. Now Peter Gabriel has a new title -- director of really big sporting extravaganzas. The world soccer body FIFA has tapped the English musician to organize the opening ceremony for next year's World Cup finals in Germany. The man who only recently became a fan of the game and European champions Liverpool is working on songs for the show in Berlin's Olympic Stadium. "It's like owning a big playpen and someone else is going to pay for it," Gabriel told Reuters in a recent interview. "I'm not going to be playing (soccer)!" he laughed. "But I was asked to get involved. We're writing some of the music and getting involved in some crazy ideas." Crazy ideas like the seminal 1987 video "Sledgehammer" that rocketed him to international fame? The video, which won 9 MTV awards, featuring a real-life Gabriel singing his funky homage to the Stax record label, amid a wild 3-D animation landscape of steam trains, bumper cars and singing fruit? BIG TIME, BIG AUDIENCE "Well I did have this idea," he said mischievously. "A red curtain across the goal and that would grow to a skirt and we'd attach little tails to footballs so they become like sperm... "But I don't know if this is an idea that is going to fly!" he grinned, when reminded that NBC fended off complaints last year about the broadcast of the Athens Olympics opening ceremony featuring ancient Greek gods in various stages of undress and simulating naughty acts. Not to mention the flak CBS took over Janet Jackson's peek-a-boo nipple during the 2004 Superbowl halftime show. The full-length show the night before the finals begin will be a first for the World Cup, similar to past Olympic extravaganzas, said Gabriel, who is coordinating the event with a French choreographer and a German producer. "It's a show that anyone who ever won the World Cup is going to be invited to. All the players, (including England's 1966 star) Bobby Charlton, hopefully. Another key element, he said, is that it's in Berlin, "the same stadium where Hitler had the '36 Olympics. THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY "It looks different now, but we've had lots of discussions about how much to refer to that," said Gabriel. By "that," he meant Jesse Owens winning four gold medals, Hitler being less than pleased and the foreboding images of Nazi exuberance captured in Leni Riefenstahl's documentary "Olympia." "I think FIFA just want (to say), 'Anything the Olympics can do, we can do better.' It's a pretty big audience." Thirty years removed from the gaunt dark-haired singer with the band Genesis, Gabriel, 55, is Yoda-like now, head shaved with a pointy white goatee and piercing blue eyes. Dressed entirely in black, he is sipping tea in a Manhattan hotel suite with his filmmaker daughter Anna, 31. They are promoting two DVDs: "Still Growing Up -- Peter Gabriel Live and Unwrapped," with songs and behind-the-scenes images from his 2003 European tour and documentary footage that Anna shot and edited. Another daughter, Melanie, 25, was a backup singer on the tour. Gabriel also talks about another DVD he's releasing: "Live 8 at Eden: Africa Calling," featuring the concert he organized in July in Cornwall, England as part of the Live 8 campaign to end poverty, especially in Africa. The concert was made up entirely of African performers. But Gabriel was a bit peeved with Live 8 organizer Bob Geldoff. "We loved the initiative and the whole Live 8 thing, however, it did feel a little bit like having a party for people and not inviting them," he said of other concerts held around the world with Western rock, pop and hip-hop artists. GAMES WITHOUT FRONTIERS, WAR WITHOUT TEARS "We felt there should be more African artists and I called Bob about it and his point was that the principal job was to get the message across to the TV people and the TV eyes watching and any unfamiliar acts, wherever they came from, would mean people switching off." Gabriel disagreed: "When they had (Nelson) Mandela shows in London the bill was really mixed and I don't think we lost any viewers as a result. African artists are strong, charismatic and compelling, and I think they hold people's attention." So Gabriel, who marches to his own drummer, organized "Africa Calling" without help or funding from Live 8. Two months later, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund agreed on debt relief for the world's poorest nations. "(But) There's still a lot to do," said the singer. ------------------------------ From: "neurodancer" Subject: Re: moe. mule-- a micro review Date: 25 Oct 2005 07:31:27 -0700 joker4153@comcast.net wrote: > Friday, 10.21.05, Warfield Theater, SF,CA. Govt. Mule opens for moe. > Results: Mule sucked. Low energy, minor key dirges for 2 full hours! > The second (moe.) set was way better. Phil joined Mule for two songs, > then came back (along with Warren) to jam a tune with moe. Second set > was a little short of 2 hours, encores included. Summary: Mule sucked, > moe. rocked! > > Saturday, 10.22.05, Warfield, etc. This time, moe. opened for Mule. > Results: moe. did NOT suck, though they started a little slow. Played > the hell out of their full 2 hour opening set. Then Govt Mule kicked > the energy WAY up for their Saturday night set. Way up. No special > guests, though Chuck Garvey (moe.) joined Mule for the final encore. > Summary: both bands rocked Saturday night. > Idle thought: This pairing of bands exemplifies just what a "jam band" > is and isn't. (I know some of you "hate" the term jamband, but I > don't.) Mule is hard, Southern Rock. They start a tune, take > appropriate solos, rock out, end of story. I like that. On the other > hand, moe. starts a tune, goes off in any number of directions, in an > organic fashion and jam it out. Maybe they jam into another tune > altogether. Maybe they then jam back into the original tune, maybe they > don't. But the jams go somewhere and come back home. I love that! > Not the Haynes can't do that (for better or worse) but that's not what > Mule does. It *is* what moe. does, and they do it very well. > Feel free to discuss...or not. > Local color: walking back to the car, passing an alley we notice some > guy getting a blow job. Laughing at that, we look up and nearly bump > into Al Schnier, one of moe.'s guitarists, standing outside his hotel > lobby at 5th and Mission. No connection between these random events > that I'm aware of. Just life in the big city. > > Larry Great review, thanks. So Al was getting a blowjob in an SF alley? His cousin used to be on my ultimate disc team in DC. Good player, great guy. ND ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: jams you enjoy other than gdead Date: 25 Oct 2005 07:31:59 -0700 The first Led Zeppelin album was amazing. The rest of them weren't too shabby either. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:36:52 GMT Bill wrote: > Pat Buzby wrote > >>JC Martin wrote: >> >>>Understand that Bill believes rock >>>musicians have the same level of chops as jazz musicians. When a guy >>>believes a Jimmy Page or Jerry Garcia has more chops than Bill Frisell > > > That's an easy one. If Bill Frisell had one tenth the musical imagination > *and* one tenth the chops that Garcia had, he'd be about ten times better. > You hate Garcia - so what. Bill Frisell has more chops than most guitarists alive you dope. >Truth is you don't know shit about Garcia, Page, > Kreutzmann or the Grateful Dead. You never even saw the Dead or Garcia. > You probably don't know shit about Frisell either. I know that you don't understand musical concepts very well and distort reality to fit your fanboy perspective. > Anyone who thinks Warren Haynes is the best guitarist out there right now as > you do is just plain musically clueless. Cite where I ever said that. >Anyone who thinks Kruetzmann's > drumming from '72 to '74 sucked like you do is just plain clueless. Again, cite. > >>>or that Billy K. has more chops than Tony Williams, there's no use >>>explaining. > > > Kreutzmann's drum work from '72 to '74 (as well as other years) was > brilliant. Indeed. >So you don't like his playing or don't like Garcia's playing or > don't like the Dead, who cares. Never said that. Again, cite. >If you had ever gone to see them or ever > gotten any of their shows on CD, you might have a clue to what people see in > Garcia's playing and Kreutzmann's drumming. But being clueless, you don't. > As Mr T says: "I pity the fool!" *LOL* I love revealing what a friggin' moron you are! You create these bizarre false realities to make your arguments. Pretty sad shit man. You do need help. -JC ------------------------------ From: "Don Bean" Subject: Re: RIP Rosa Parks Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:45:39 -0400 I put the mp3 of the Nevilles song 'Sister Rosa' on my site... Give it a listen !! Bean www.reggaetraders.com "The Lord of Eltingville" wrote in message news:djk74u0kau@news2.newsguy.com... > Civil rights icon Rosa Parks dies > 34 minutes ago > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Rosa Parks, the black seamstress whose refusal to > give her seat on a Montgomery, Alabama, bus to a white man sparked a > revolution in American race relations, has died at age 92, CNN reported > on Monday. ------------------------------ From: eddie@ccil.org Subject: Re: The Lamb Lies Down in Berlin Date: 25 Oct 2005 07:51:06 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > Peter Gabriel: From Genesis to midfield impresario > By Steve James 1 hour, 38 minutes ago > > NEW YORK (Reuters) - He was a progressive rock star in the '70s, an MTV > video icon in the '80s and a world music guru for the new >millennium................. Nice! Peter Gabriels's vision of a curtain>skirt and sperm spiraling through the air to reach "the Goal"! Sounds a lot like Carpet Crawlers to me! You go Peter! ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Blues for Uncle BoBo Date: 25 Oct 2005 08:01:57 -0700 I'll never forget that storm. It was one of the most fierce rain storms ever. As I was sitting at home trying to watch TV, there was a loud boom from the other end of the street, and we were plunged into darkness. We walked up the street to discover that a transformer had exploded! The damn thing was in flames. Bill Graham's helicopter had knocked out our power. The lights onstage at the Huey show actually flickered for a second. ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:08:58 -0700 "Tim Donohoe" wrote in message news:S3g7f.28$3A4.27@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com... > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > >> "JC Martin" wrote in message >> news:eg77f.589$te3.9908@typhoon.sonic.net... >> >>>Sparky the Wonder Dog wrote: >>> >>>>Kurt--why do you think she is so unelectable? Too left-wing for the >>>>country? Too right-wing for Democrats? >>> >>> >>>She doesn't have a warm personality and isn't very convincing as a >>>salesperson. And she's seen by moderates as slippery. Without >>>moderates, the Democrats can't win a national election. Heck, Hillary is >>>the most divisive Democrat out there. Kurt is right. >>> >>>Condi can't win the Republican nomination at this point either. A near >>>agnostic, single, black woman who acted as Bush's lap dog? No way. Why >>>do people take Dick Morris seriously anyway? >> >> >> There isn't a single person alive who isn't already a committed Hillary >> supporter that could ever be convinced to vote for her. That's not to >> say she couldn't win the Democrat nomination.............. > I think that will depend on her opponent. I am sure she could beat Cheney > and Rice easily. Nope. But why prop up strawmen? Obviously Cheney isn't going to run for anything, and almost as obviously neither is Rice. Hillary has no chance of convincing anyone other than her current fans to vote for her. If the Dems nominate her, the visions of a crumbling Bush administration will vanish instantly from the minds of independent voters, and be replaced with the traditional "I HATE THAT WOMAN!" mantra. Non partisans may be disappointed with Bush, but the hate for Hillary goes far deeper. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:09:35 -0700 "JimK" wrote in message news:nu7rl1hhu6d7g9ar0r3b5tir5cqfjeoc3m@4ax.com... > On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:59:40 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" > wrote: > >> >>"JC Martin" wrote in message >>news:eg77f.589$te3.9908@typhoon.sonic.net... >>> Sparky the Wonder Dog wrote: >>>> Kurt--why do you think she is so unelectable? Too left-wing for the >>>> country? Too right-wing for Democrats? >>> >>> >>> She doesn't have a warm personality and isn't very convincing as a >>> salesperson. And she's seen by moderates as slippery. Without >>> moderates, >>> the Democrats can't win a national election. Heck, Hillary is the most >>> divisive Democrat out there. Kurt is right. >>> >>> Condi can't win the Republican nomination at this point either. A near >>> agnostic, single, black woman who acted as Bush's lap dog? No way. Why >>> do people take Dick Morris seriously anyway? >> >>There isn't a single person alive who isn't already a committed Hillary >>supporter that could ever be convinced to vote for her. That's not to say >>she couldn't win the Democrat nomination.............. >> >>Condi would have no chance at the Repub nomination. Black, not a >>religious >>zealot, no experience with any domestic issue, no husband to help her when >>she cries........ >> >>Since Morris is making wild predictions, here's mine: >> >>Mike Huckaby vs. Tom Vilsack. >> >>EGBH > Interesting match up of two guys who are completely unkown outside > their home states. Suppose they threw an election and nobody voted? That might be the idea. EGBH ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:21:17 -0400 "Neil X." wrote: > > > The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > > > Well, that was the point of my post -- everyone needs to decide what > > is/isn't acceptable for them. You see it as a type of degradation (ala > > Fear Factor), I see it as a means to an end -- retirement by 50. > > I gotta say, I am definitely of the opinion that being forced to > urinate in front of a stranger in order to be employed is > degrading......it may be a means to an end, but that doesn't make it > not degrading. Eh...I never found it degrading. It was just something that came with the line of work, and it was always done in a clean, professional environment in the presence of a doctor. At most, it was a minor annoyance because I had to make a special trip out of my way to have it done. Standing shoulder-to-shoulder with dozens of haf-drunk strangers at Fenway's urinal troughs...now *that* was degrading (tho I've heard they've since remodeled the bathrooms and installed individual urinals). Did having to do that ever bother you, or was it just an accepted part of going to the game and having a few beers? I also find the thought of getting a prostate exam far more degrading than peeing in a cup could ever hope to be but, I suppose at some point in the next few years, it'll become a necessary part of making sure all my parts are working properly. Just another means to an end (through my end), if you will... ------------------------------ From: JonP Subject: Re: What's the Release Date on the Fillmore 10 CD Box Set? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:53:48 -0700 On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:31:35 -0700, Ben wrote: >On 24 Oct 2005 09:59:38 -0700, "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" > wrote: > >>According to the last mail I received (July 28, 2005) regarding my >>preorder, here's the poop: >> >>"Please note that we have made some changes for this pre-order. Due to >>the exclusive nature of this pre-order, there is no fixed release date >>for this item. Your card will be charged at time of purchase, and your >>order will ship on or around November 15, 2005. Customers who order >>express shipping will receive their package two business days from when >>their order is shipped. Customers who order regular shipping will >>receive their order 7-10 business days from when their order is >>shipped." >> >>HTH... >> > >It does a little. Id be happy to buy it from anyone that just wants to burn the cds and recoup their money by reselling it.....Just let me know.. Jonp ------------------------------ From: JonP Subject: Re: Free 50 cent donation for breast cancer . . . Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:55:29 -0700 On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:13:40 GMT, "k sturm" wrote: >http://www.post-itstickupforthecause.com/ > > >For the first 200,000 names, 3M will donate 50 cents (Total Maximum: >$100,000) >to City of Hope to support breast cancer research, treatment, and education. >It's easy and quick and there's still plenty of room for your name. > > > >thanks, > >kathy And dont forget prostate cancer as well....Actually kills more than breast cancer from what i heard... Jonp ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: RIP Wellington Mara Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:04:23 -0400 http://www.giants.com/news/press_releases/story.asp?story_id=10302 What a Class Act he was. ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: cheney = traitor Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:06:52 -0700 So this prick leaked the name to the man who told the times. Time for these guys to be charged, tried and let justice take it's course. ------------------------------ From: "neurodancer" Subject: Re: cheney = traitor Date: 25 Oct 2005 09:09:33 -0700 DG wrote: > So this prick leaked the name to the man who told the times. Time for > these guys to be charged, tried and let justice take it's course. I think they should be considered traitors and treated accordingly. When was the last time someone was tried for treason? ND ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:11:31 -0700 BVT wrote: > >DG wrote: >>LOL!!! Phil will do anything for money. I heard he was down in the >>Castro with a matress on his back yelling "curb service". > >no Don...that was you...and the sign read "line forms at rear".. >now get back to sucking up to Latvala's corpse you crusty old fool! Corpse? His ashes were put in the water near Angel Island. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:17:10 -0700 >>Interesting match up of two guys who are completely unkown outside >>their home states. Suppose they threw an election and nobody voted? They've been throwing elections alright. Just like the Black Sox threw the 1919 World Series. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Blues for Uncle BoBo Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:22:07 -0700 Dave Kelly wrote: > 10/25/91 - Rock promoter Bill Graham dies in a helicopter crash > after a Huey Lewis concert in Concord, Calif. He was 60. And still there's no band called 24,000 Homes. There ought to be! ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:23:02 -0400 "Dylanstubs" wrote in message news:1130156708.581232.39260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... >> seraphim wrote: >> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/s=electric/search/detail/base_pid/515084/ >> >> >> so I could be an ace too....hmm but not for $5000....... > > A lot of money to hang a piece of furniture around your neck. > And not a particularily nice peice of furniture Scot ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Halloween Rant Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:28:50 -0400 "Schmoe" wrote in message news:v176f.16434$Hm3.10036@fe09.lga... > http://www.illwillpress.com/hoopla.html That was fucking hilarious. (and right on target too) Scot ------------------------------ From: Jeff Subject: Re: Free 50 cent donation for breast cancer . . . Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:50 -0600 JonP wrote: > And dont forget prostate cancer as well....Actually kills more than > breast cancer from what i heard... And Colon cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in the US according to the American Cancer Society. Probably in no small part because of the unpleasant perception of the diagnostics, and the unfortunate embarassment some people seem to suffer just discussing it. ~Jeff (Insert pre-emptive IAAWSWYPII here) ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace Date: 25 Oct 2005 09:29:09 -0700 A true and shining example of BALLS. Thank you Rosa. :) ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace Date: 25 Oct 2005 09:38:21 -0700 .. ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: The Lamb Lies Down in Berlin Date: 25 Oct 2005 09:43:24 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > Peter Gabriel: From Genesis to midfield impresario > By Steve James 1 hour, 38 minutes ago > Just listened the 'Us' this morning for the first time in years. Pretty powerful music. Whatever he ends up doing it'll be worth watching! ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: American dead in Iraq reaches 2000 Date: 25 Oct 2005 09:47:57 -0700 and for all the others before and the ones surely to follow... .. ------------------------------ From: "Stuknot" Subject: Re: RIP Wellington Mara Date: 25 Oct 2005 09:57:38 -0700 Bzl. wrote: > http://www.giants.com/news/press_releases/story.asp?story_id=10302 > > What a Class Act he was. Amen. RIP Mr. Mara. John H. ------------------------------ From: "Stuknot" Subject: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace Date: 25 Oct 2005 09:58:01 -0700 RickNBarbInSD wrote: > . ------------------------------ From: John Metzger Subject: Re: Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd,Author Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:59:38 GMT The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > John Metzger wrote: > >>Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd, Author >>of The Complete Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics >> >>What was the Pride of Cucamonga? Who was Tom Banjo? What could a >>"double-e waterfall" possibly be? These are just a few of the questions >>upon which David Dodd sheds light in his new book The Complete Annotated >>Grateful Dead Lyrics. Spanning the Jerry Garcia-penned Can't Come Down >>from 1965 to Mickey Hart's recent composition You Remind Me, the >>comprehensive tome contains all of the songs that the Grateful Dead >>performed, plus a few other closely related selections, each of which is >>adorned with an array of fascinating facts and intriguing cross-references. >> >>To read an article about the book based upon an interview with David >>Dodd, please visit: >> >>http://www.musicbox-online.com/dd-dead.html > > > > Now that it's being officially released in book form, I wonder if it'll > be pulled off the internet... ;-> No, it won't. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .