From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #666 Dead-Flames Digest #666, Volume #48 Tue, 25 Oct 05 08:00:05 PDT Contents: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: what should the United States do with rmgd trolls? (band beyond description) Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! ("Dylanstubs") Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd, (John Metzger) Re: what should the United States do with rmgd trolls? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: Pssssst! (Dead Content) ("mjd") Re: 43 today happy birthday to me!! (Sherry) Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? ("Carlisle") Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace ("Carlisle") Re: Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Listen to the new Garcia plays Dylan disc here! ("imsjry") Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! (JimK) Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace ("neurodancer") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("Carlisle") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("Neil X.") The Lamb Lies Down in Berlin (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: moe. mule-- a micro review ("neurodancer") Re: jams you enjoy other than gdead ("Dylanstubs") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:46:28 -0400 "Neil X." wrote: > > > The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > > > While, IIRC, Neil stated that he'd never > > work for a company that would require a drug test, I'd most likely drop > > trou and give them a cup if the prospective job was something I really > > wanted (outstanding pay, excellent benefits, etc). > > Uh, well, I said that I had done work for several companies that > required urine tests, and that in retrospect, I thought that was a bad > mistake that I would try not to repeat. If we don't respect ourselves, > how can we expect others to respect us? TV shows like Fear Factor show > that many people are willing to suffer almost any indignity or > degradation in the pursuit of money. The majority of one's waking > hours are spent at work. At this point in my life, I definitely > consider working conditions to be a much greater priority than net > salary. Well, that was the point of my post -- everyone needs to decide what is/isn't acceptable for them. You see it as a type of degradation (ala Fear Factor), I see it as a means to an end -- retirement by 50. Perhaps I'm less offended by it because I've already held jobs where drug tests are a federal requirement, and I've been giving some consideration into getting back into that line of work (not just because of the pay, but because it's something I enjoy doing). Or maybe I'm not bothered by it just because I know passing won't be an issue...although at this point in my life, I might be a bit nervous if they started checking PSA levels too... ;-> ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: what should the United States do with rmgd trolls? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:07:19 +0900 yo, "Spanky," if that IS your real name; if you think you can come in out of nowhere, with your "patriot" domain, make multiple posts in a short span of time and talk a little Grateful Dead before foisting your rationalizing rightwing worldview claptrap on us (all marks of a classic troll), you are SADLY mistaken. I bid you GOOD DAY, sir! -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Date: 25 Oct 2005 05:48:19 -0700 > al haig wrote: > Just listened to the first set of 7-7-81 and YIKES is that a barn burner of > a show!!! No question. One of the greatest 1st sets of the 80s. I don't think the 2nd set measures up to it. Grateful Dead - July 7, 1981 Municipal Auditorium - Kansas City, MO Recording Info: SBD -> Master Cassette -> Reel -> Dat Transfer Info: Dat (Sony R500) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude v7.02 Professional -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net August 23, 2005 Notes: -- Seamless transition between Discs 2 and 3. Set 1: d1t01 - Minglewood Blues -> d1t02 - Bertha -> d1t03 - Dancin' In The Street d1t04 - Big Railroad Blues -> d1t05 - El Paso d1t06 - To Lay Me Down d1t07 - Lazy Lightning -> d1t08 - Supplication d1t09 - Bird Song -> d1t10 - Looks Like Rain -> d1t11 - Deal Set 2: d2t01 - Women Are Smarter d2t02 - Candyman d2t03 - Estimated Prophet -> d2t04 - Eyes Of The World -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - Truckin'-> d3t03 - Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad -> d3t04 - Black Peter -> d3t05 - I Need A Miracle -> d3t06 - Good Lovin' Encore: d3t07 - Don't Ease Me In ------------------------------ From: John Metzger Subject: Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd, Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:57:13 GMT Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd, Author of The Complete Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics What was the Pride of Cucamonga? Who was Tom Banjo? What could a "double-e waterfall" possibly be? These are just a few of the questions upon which David Dodd sheds light in his new book The Complete Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics. Spanning the Jerry Garcia-penned Can't Come Down from 1965 to Mickey Hart's recent composition You Remind Me, the comprehensive tome contains all of the songs that the Grateful Dead performed, plus a few other closely related selections, each of which is adorned with an array of fascinating facts and intriguing cross-references. To read an article about the book based upon an interview with David Dodd, please visit: http://www.musicbox-online.com/dd-dead.html ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with rmgd trolls? Date: 25 Oct 2005 06:18:48 -0700 Ray, The United States Congress approves Israel's budget, not me. Take it up with them. The whole country places its own security before Israel's. You poor sod. Sparky the Wonder Dog all by his lonesome has stolen billions of dollars and handed it over to Ariel Sharon. btw, you cannot bluff in the Middle East, not about armies, not about budgets. The Executive Branch may or may not be empowered to threaten any kind of freeze or set aside. It depends on the enablling legislation. The poll questions you keep dredging up, again, are premised on a peace treaty already having been reached. BBD: you dimwit poltroon. Who in tarnation are you to suggest that Sparky the Wonder Dog is Spanky? S-p-a-r-k-y. That's what it says on the birth certificate you clueless wanker: Sparky the Wonder Dog. S-p-a-r-k-y. And W-o-n-d-e-r. And D-o-g. What do you think this is Our Gang? Rightwing clap trap indeed. Oh excuse me, it's BBD's club. We must ask his permission to speak. May I sir? So Mr. America Ray: ever listen to the Dead? Ever trip? Would you agree that 1973/4 represents a classic transition between the country-rock traditionalism of the 72 line-up and the more schematically composed jazz formalism of 75/6? It isn't your band BBD. And it isn't your America, Ray-ban. ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: Pssssst! (Dead Content) Date: 25 Oct 2005 06:24:40 -0700 arrgghhh - still kicking myself over snoozing on that set! never fails: http://cgi.ebay.com/Grateful-Dead-Fillmore-1969-10-CD-Box-Set-Limited-RARE_W0QQitemZ4783987849QQcategoryZ307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanks for the tip-off, Seth. All I have is 3/2, so this will help ease the pain. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 43 today happy birthday to me!! From: Sherry Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:33:24 GMT Happy birthday! Just turned 43 myself, a couple of weeks ago. :) Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... Date: 25 Oct 2005 06:33:33 -0700 Seth. No. I said that Robert's had a particular point of view so that a person would not be getting a "straight-up" civil rights or libertarian argument from him, depending on the context. That really was my point. That was it. Personally, me, myself, while I have been accused of spouting "rightwing claptrap" by some people I am very concerned that the Bush Administration has argued for expanded interpretations of Presidential authority based on what seems to be a war on an abstraction. At bottom, me, myself, I don't know what a "War on Terrorism" *is*. I don't even know what a "war on terrorists" would be, in practice. Yes, I think there are a lot of concerns about civil liberties. You might see a thread I started on "what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies"--some of this was discussed before the thread went down the rabbit-hole of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute. I think police state is a little strong but innovations such as judgeless warrants or secret courts set off warning bells for me, for sure. ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Condi v Hillary 2008? Date: 25 Oct 2005 06:36:19 -0700 Shawn Lucas wrote: > On 24 Oct 2005 06:53:18 -0700, "Carlisle" > wrote: > > >I doubt Condoleeza Rice is going anywhere after this gig except to a > >cush job at the American Enterprise Institute or perhaps as a > >university president. The question for the latter assignment is>>Can > >she fund raise because that's all a college head does these days. > >Hillary?? Fire in the belly there for sure. The problem is two-fold: > >1)She does not have a soothing/likable presence for many out here in > >the redneck hinderland (Bill did.) 2)Could Hillary win any state that > >John Kerry did not? Could Hillary win Ohio?? Finally, could Hillary > >pass the Franklin County(Columbus) Acid test??...Those Buckeye fans are > >hard-core, people. They wear red just to watch a football game (I kid > >you NOT). Woody Hayes is their idol. Dressing in camouflage and going > >hunting in Proctorville just ain't gonna cut it either..She will look > >like a bigger freakin' idiot than John Kerry even.. So I don't know. I > >just don't know. > >Discussion. > >cpc > > > > Actually even though Columbus generally sucks (I have an east coast > bias...and its too much concrete and not enough green), despite all > the red it is one of the few "blue" dominated areas (along with > Cleveland) in this lousy "red" state. It is the rest of the state > where Hillary would have trouble. I guess you've never hung out too much in Dublin/Westerville during an OSU football game. Leave the campus & High Street...go into the BURBS, man. That's what I'm talking about. Follow me? Go Bucks! oscc ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace Date: 25 Oct 2005 06:44:09 -0700 band beyond description wrote: > now if only the right-wing nitwits could learn from her example... > > fare thee well, Rosa. > -- > Peace, > Steve I'm sure you put me in the "right-wing nitwit" category right about now, Steve. Since I've had the gumption to question the orthodoxy of some of the dominant white male elites around here. Well Rosa Parks had alot of courage to go up against the prevailing power structure like that. She knew there would be consequences...but she wasn't out to win any popularity contest. She saw the bull shit and stood up to THE MAN!! I bow to her example every day. Fight The Power. C- ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:21:31 -0400 John Metzger wrote: > > Feature Article/Interview - Dissecting the Dead with David Dodd, Author > of The Complete Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics > > What was the Pride of Cucamonga? Who was Tom Banjo? What could a > "double-e waterfall" possibly be? These are just a few of the questions > upon which David Dodd sheds light in his new book The Complete Annotated > Grateful Dead Lyrics. Spanning the Jerry Garcia-penned Can't Come Down > from 1965 to Mickey Hart's recent composition You Remind Me, the > comprehensive tome contains all of the songs that the Grateful Dead > performed, plus a few other closely related selections, each of which is > adorned with an array of fascinating facts and intriguing cross-references. > > To read an article about the book based upon an interview with David > Dodd, please visit: > > http://www.musicbox-online.com/dd-dead.html Now that it's being officially released in book form, I wonder if it'll be pulled off the internet... ;-> ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: Listen to the new Garcia plays Dylan disc here! Date: 25 Oct 2005 06:52:21 -0700 fogdog wrote: > imsjry wrote: > > This is so sweet! > > > > http://music.aol.com/songs/new_releases_full_cds.adp > > > The default page I got was a full length "destiny's child". I thought > this was some sort of sick joke. Did you find the Garcia disc?? This page changes every week by the way. A great resource to hear new music. ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Why didn't yall tell me about 7-7-81???!!! Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:57:47 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:58:53 GMT, "al haig" wrote: >Just listened to the first set of 7-7-81 and YIKES is that a barn burner of >a show!!! > >What Garcia does on that Bertha is just unreal. It's just insane at how >great it is. Garcia is just brilliant on it. From there it goes into ... > >Dancin - oh my, oh-fuckin-my. This Dancin belongs on any list of the >greatest Dancins ever. By '85, the song was dead (so to speak) but not in >'81 because this version is just INSANE (I know I already used that word but >just calling it like it is). The jam on this version is just soooooooooo >killer. This is the best I've ever heard Brent jam. It's a soundboard tape >so you can hear everybody excellently. Weir and Lesh play killer stuff too. > >Shit even the El Paso is excellent. > >Later in the set is a version of Lazy Lightnin > Supplication that belongs >on any list of the greatest versions ever. Just unbelievable at how good >they did that version that night. If you've got this show and you've been >ignoring the first set - BIG MISTAKE! You're blowing it! > >Hopefully the second set is also this good. > >I also listened to 12-31-77, specifically the Jack Straw. WOW! God were >the Grateful Dead one killer band! God was Mr. Jerry Garcia playing >unbelievable shit then! You got a certain jc fool here who says that a Bill >Frissell is better than Garcia, then you hear the brilliance of Garcia's >playing on shows like 12-31-77 or 7-7-81 or hundreds of other shows and you >laugh at the musical cluelessness of such a fool. > >Anyway, 7-7-81 is gold. > >Bill > And you didn't even give a mention to the smokin' version of Big RR Blues. May through August of '81 was definitely one of the better periods during the '80's. As far as Garcia v. Frisell, I'd love to have'em both in the same band. JimK ------------------------------ From: "neurodancer" Subject: Re: Rosa Parks, Thank You and Rest In Peace Date: 25 Oct 2005 07:19:42 -0700 grtflmark wrote: > . "Thank you Sister Rosa You were the start Thank you Miss Rosa Sister Rosa Parks" ND ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 25 Oct 2005 07:20:24 -0700 Ray wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > Ray wrote: > > > Carlisle wrote: > > > > They got arrogant and played hardball. > > > > > > All indications suggest as much, yes. In this case, however, all > > > indications suggest "playing hardball" included the outing of a covert > > > CIA officer. Carlisle, earlier in this thread you stated that you > > > didn't see why the outing of Plame was a big deal. After reading the > > > responses here, including Marcinkowski's testimony, do you still not > > > see what the big deal is, or have you changed your perspective on this? > > > > > > Ray > > > > No, I haven't changed my perspective. The law should be enforced...I'll > > quote from the WSJ/Opinion Journal today: > > "In July 2003, Joseph Wilson used his insider status as a former CIA > > consultant to accuse the Bush Administration of lying about Iraq WMD as > > an excuse to go to war. A political furor erupted, and Mr. Wilson > > became an antiwar celebrity who joined the Kerry for President > > campaign...Amid an election campaign and a war, Bush Administration > > officials fought back. One way they did this was to tell reporters that > > Mr. Wilson's wife, CIA analyst *Valerie Plame, had been instrumental in > > getting him the CIA consulting job. This was true-though Mr. Wilson > > denied it at the time-as a bipartisan report by the Senate Intelligence > > Committee documented in 2004" > > *"Ms. Plame was surely not undercover, and her own husband had > > essentially made her 'outing' inevitable when he exploited his own CIA > > consulting status to inject himself into the middle of a presidential > > campaign."-from same piece 10/24/05 > > Any of that off the mark? > > Yes, starting off with the very first sentence, which is a lie. If you > disgree, then re-read Wilson's July 2003 essay, which I've already > posted in this thread. As you can see if you actually read Wilson's > essay, it did not accuse Bush Administration of lying but instead > merely raised the possibility. > > This disinformation was published in, not suprisingly, a WSJ editoral. > Did I mention that the WSJ editorial page is a rag? > > There are things that are not "on the mark" as well, including most > importantly the declaration that Plame "was surely not undercover" - > which is another lie. If you disagree, then substantiate how it is > known that Plame "was surely not undercover" - thanks. > > You are far too credulous re- what you read in right wing rags, > Carlisle - you're being playing played. > > Ray "Carlisle - you're being playing played." It's true that I get alot of my print news from the WSJ. And yes, the Editorial page is biased pro-business conservative. Although we will continue to disagree. I will say it's a reputable source for information..Ray will say it's a "rag". We will go around and around in circles. I will become tired and worn down from arguing with all the Old Guard of rmgd and leave my computer. Charges will be thrown at me as I don't properly respond to Richard, Ray, Steve, Ken, JC (hey young bruther), at least I don't Dave Kelly's name in here. So I'm purposely going outside of the WSJ/Opinion Journal for my information. I'm going to read The New Republic and the Washington Post. Here is an investigative piece from the Post that sheds a different light on Mr. Wilson. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/24/AR2005102401690_pf.html Question Authority. Carrie ------------------------------ From: "Neil X." Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 25 Oct 2005 07:29:30 -0700 > The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > Well, that was the point of my post -- everyone needs to decide what > is/isn't acceptable for them. You see it as a type of degradation (ala > Fear Factor), I see it as a means to an end -- retirement by 50. I gotta say, I am definitely of the opinion that being forced to urinate in front of a stranger in order to be employed is degrading......it may be a means to an end, but that doesn't make it not degrading. Peace, Neil X. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: The Lamb Lies Down in Berlin Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:04:52 -0400 Peter Gabriel: From Genesis to midfield impresario By Steve James 1 hour, 38 minutes ago NEW YORK (Reuters) - He was a progressive rock star in the '70s, an MTV video icon in the '80s and a world music guru for the new millennium. He's also a record producer, songwriter, political activist and musical talent scout. A kind of multi-media artist-rebel -- with many causes. Now Peter Gabriel has a new title -- director of really big sporting extravaganzas. The world soccer body FIFA has tapped the English musician to organize the opening ceremony for next year's World Cup finals in Germany. The man who only recently became a fan of the game and European champions Liverpool is working on songs for the show in Berlin's Olympic Stadium. "It's like owning a big playpen and someone else is going to pay for it," Gabriel told Reuters in a recent interview. "I'm not going to be playing (soccer)!" he laughed. "But I was asked to get involved. We're writing some of the music and getting involved in some crazy ideas." Crazy ideas like the seminal 1987 video "Sledgehammer" that rocketed him to international fame? The video, which won 9 MTV awards, featuring a real-life Gabriel singing his funky homage to the Stax record label, amid a wild 3-D animation landscape of steam trains, bumper cars and singing fruit? BIG TIME, BIG AUDIENCE "Well I did have this idea," he said mischievously. "A red curtain across the goal and that would grow to a skirt and we'd attach little tails to footballs so they become like sperm... "But I don't know if this is an idea that is going to fly!" he grinned, when reminded that NBC fended off complaints last year about the broadcast of the Athens Olympics opening ceremony featuring ancient Greek gods in various stages of undress and simulating naughty acts. Not to mention the flak CBS took over Janet Jackson's peek-a-boo nipple during the 2004 Superbowl halftime show. The full-length show the night before the finals begin will be a first for the World Cup, similar to past Olympic extravaganzas, said Gabriel, who is coordinating the event with a French choreographer and a German producer. "It's a show that anyone who ever won the World Cup is going to be invited to. All the players, (including England's 1966 star) Bobby Charlton, hopefully. Another key element, he said, is that it's in Berlin, "the same stadium where Hitler had the '36 Olympics. THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY "It looks different now, but we've had lots of discussions about how much to refer to that," said Gabriel. By "that," he meant Jesse Owens winning four gold medals, Hitler being less than pleased and the foreboding images of Nazi exuberance captured in Leni Riefenstahl's documentary "Olympia." "I think FIFA just want (to say), 'Anything the Olympics can do, we can do better.' It's a pretty big audience." Thirty years removed from the gaunt dark-haired singer with the band Genesis, Gabriel, 55, is Yoda-like now, head shaved with a pointy white goatee and piercing blue eyes. Dressed entirely in black, he is sipping tea in a Manhattan hotel suite with his filmmaker daughter Anna, 31. They are promoting two DVDs: "Still Growing Up -- Peter Gabriel Live and Unwrapped," with songs and behind-the-scenes images from his 2003 European tour and documentary footage that Anna shot and edited. Another daughter, Melanie, 25, was a backup singer on the tour. Gabriel also talks about another DVD he's releasing: "Live 8 at Eden: Africa Calling," featuring the concert he organized in July in Cornwall, England as part of the Live 8 campaign to end poverty, especially in Africa. The concert was made up entirely of African performers. But Gabriel was a bit peeved with Live 8 organizer Bob Geldoff. "We loved the initiative and the whole Live 8 thing, however, it did feel a little bit like having a party for people and not inviting them," he said of other concerts held around the world with Western rock, pop and hip-hop artists. GAMES WITHOUT FRONTIERS, WAR WITHOUT TEARS "We felt there should be more African artists and I called Bob about it and his point was that the principal job was to get the message across to the TV people and the TV eyes watching and any unfamiliar acts, wherever they came from, would mean people switching off." Gabriel disagreed: "When they had (Nelson) Mandela shows in London the bill was really mixed and I don't think we lost any viewers as a result. African artists are strong, charismatic and compelling, and I think they hold people's attention." So Gabriel, who marches to his own drummer, organized "Africa Calling" without help or funding from Live 8. Two months later, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund agreed on debt relief for the world's poorest nations. "(But) There's still a lot to do," said the singer. ------------------------------ From: "neurodancer" Subject: Re: moe. mule-- a micro review Date: 25 Oct 2005 07:31:27 -0700 joker4153@comcast.net wrote: > Friday, 10.21.05, Warfield Theater, SF,CA. Govt. Mule opens for moe. > Results: Mule sucked. Low energy, minor key dirges for 2 full hours! > The second (moe.) set was way better. Phil joined Mule for two songs, > then came back (along with Warren) to jam a tune with moe. Second set > was a little short of 2 hours, encores included. Summary: Mule sucked, > moe. rocked! > > Saturday, 10.22.05, Warfield, etc. This time, moe. opened for Mule. > Results: moe. did NOT suck, though they started a little slow. Played > the hell out of their full 2 hour opening set. Then Govt Mule kicked > the energy WAY up for their Saturday night set. Way up. No special > guests, though Chuck Garvey (moe.) joined Mule for the final encore. > Summary: both bands rocked Saturday night. > Idle thought: This pairing of bands exemplifies just what a "jam band" > is and isn't. (I know some of you "hate" the term jamband, but I > don't.) Mule is hard, Southern Rock. They start a tune, take > appropriate solos, rock out, end of story. I like that. On the other > hand, moe. starts a tune, goes off in any number of directions, in an > organic fashion and jam it out. Maybe they jam into another tune > altogether. Maybe they then jam back into the original tune, maybe they > don't. But the jams go somewhere and come back home. I love that! > Not the Haynes can't do that (for better or worse) but that's not what > Mule does. It *is* what moe. does, and they do it very well. > Feel free to discuss...or not. > Local color: walking back to the car, passing an alley we notice some > guy getting a blow job. Laughing at that, we look up and nearly bump > into Al Schnier, one of moe.'s guitarists, standing outside his hotel > lobby at 5th and Mission. No connection between these random events > that I'm aware of. Just life in the big city. > > Larry Great review, thanks. So Al was getting a blowjob in an SF alley? His cousin used to be on my ultimate disc team in DC. Good player, great guy. ND ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: jams you enjoy other than gdead Date: 25 Oct 2005 07:31:59 -0700 The first Led Zeppelin album was amazing. The rest of them weren't too shabby either. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .