From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #653 Dead-Flames Digest #653, Volume #48 Sun, 23 Oct 05 19:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: I feel weirded out this morning. ("ck") STS9 in Worcester MA 10-22-05 ("Nick's Picks") Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions (John Metzger) Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("Steve Terry") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("grtflmark") Re: Damaged Simpson's DVD (fogdog) Re: Jerry`s acid park tee shirt ~ (eddie@ccil.org) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("grtflmark") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("grtflmark") Bonus disc question ("Steve Terry") Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm ("marklaw") Re: Bonus disc question ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Bonus disc question ("Steve Terry") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) It's not dead. It's pining for the fjord. (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Bonus disc question ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Bonus disc question ("Dave Kelly") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ck" Subject: Re: I feel weirded out this morning. Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:01:26 -0400 "Carry On Crow" wrote in message news:djh81g$202$1@agate.berkeley.edu... > "ck" wrote: > } I have had them on ebay for several days asking just cost. One person > }has > }the auction page watched but no inquiries and i'm accepting best offers. > }See > }auctions; http://urlcut.com/.... > }http://urlcut.com.... > > It's that nobody wants to sit with you, god-boy. > > the feeling is fully mutual degenerate heathen scumbag. ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: STS9 in Worcester MA 10-22-05 Date: 23 Oct 2005 17:02:10 -0700 www.nickspicks.com/images/STS9 always fun seeing these guys. techno jam elevator muzac, played by real muzicians. :) i've got high rez 24bit FLACs, DVD-A, or hybrid DVDs, as well as normal redbook CDs to offer up if anyone wants to check them out. the recording is better than fair, and i'll probably upload it to the archive tonight or tomorrow. ------------------------------ From: John Metzger Subject: Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:03:13 GMT pbuzby2002@yahoo.com wrote: > Bill wrote: > > >>I'm interested to hear how the playing of Michael Henderson (bass) and Keith >>Jarrett (electric piano) on these December, 1970 shows compares to that of >>Dave Holland (bass) and Chick Corea (electric piano) respectively on the >>March, 1970 shows. > > > To make a long story short, swapping Holland for Henderson led to a lot > more funk and less jazz in Miles's music. > I agree with the first half of your statement; I don't agree with the latter half -- at least not at this point of the collaboration between Henderson and Davis. There's a lot of jazz to be found on The Cellar Door Sessions, even as it moves further away from "tradition." ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:05:23 -0500 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:NXU6f.5402$BZ5.3833@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > > "Richard Morris" wrote in message > news:8PadnQ2NWoi3bcbenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> oooo! You have that on DVD by any chance? Can ya hook a brother up? > > * sorry, bro...I just have it on a mediocre MPEG disc. > I do hear that a clean DVD copy of the "Globetrotters > meet Scooby Doo" is making the rounds on the various > 'Trotters BT download sites. I learned from another newsgroup that if ya turn down the sound to the movie and play Michael Jackson's Thriller backwards and upside down then weird shit happens unexplicably. ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 23 Oct 2005 17:09:31 -0700 ,,,,,ooooh - I forgot, you must be liberal which is why THIS: >SOOO - you're not only FLAT WRONG And DUMB - you're >fuckin' stupid - but the, that's not surprising >>Damn, you are one hateful person. ....... is deemed "hateful" by you, but this: >Unfortunately, most drug testing is by piss test, so you are not >only dumb, you are flat out wrong ......meets your "loving and nurturing" criteria. In other words - when YOU call someone "dumb" - hey we should expect that if we disagree with you, but if THEY call you "dumb" back - well, that's just "hateful". Note: I did not call you "dumb" before your ad hominem attack, I just said that your point was. Big difference. Don't be such a phony! ------------------------------ From: fogdog Subject: Re: Damaged Simpson's DVD Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:18:59 -0400 Jeff wrote: > > I've been working my way through the 4th season of the Simpson's on DVD > since I had knee surgery a few weeks ago, and just found that the second > disc has a small crack in the inner ring and won't play anymore. > > This was a legit purchase, but now I'm hosed. Does anyone out there own > it and have the ability to burn a copy for me? > > thanks, > ~Jeff I feel for yah man, season 4 is a barn burner. ------------------------------ From: eddie@ccil.org Subject: Re: Jerry`s acid park tee shirt ~ Date: 23 Oct 2005 17:21:38 -0700 Jay wrote: > anyone have a link or pic of that shirt off the play on Jurassic park ? Jay not a link to a pic: http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=1&TID=108&set_time=1003393176 ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:22:33 -0700 On 23 Oct 2005 17:09:31 -0700, "grtflmark" wrote: >,,,,,ooooh - I forgot, you must be liberal which is why THIS: Ah - so you think it's a partisan issue. Why on earth would you think that? > >>SOOO - you're not only FLAT WRONG And DUMB - you're >>fuckin' stupid - but the, that's not surprising > >>>Damn, you are one hateful person. > >...... is deemed "hateful" by you, but this: > >>Unfortunately, most drug testing is by piss test, so you are not >only dumb, you are flat out wrong Yes, I said that - But you didn't give the full story. You said it first. I know, that's no excuse, but you continued to repeat it. > >.....meets your "loving and nurturing" criteria. You don't have to be a liberal to show your fellow man a little decency. > In other words - when >YOU call someone "dumb" - hey we should expect that if we disagree with >you, but if THEY call you "dumb" back - well, that's just "hateful". > >Note: I did not call you "dumb" before your ad hominem attack, I just >said that your point was. Big difference. Don't be such a phony! Did you have anything constructive to add to this discussion? I can only assume that the information you tried to pass on and called me dumb and flat out wrong (you're splitting hairs and being phony by trying to deny it) is BULLSHIT, especially since you won't even try to back it up. ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 23 Oct 2005 17:23:41 -0700 >The Lord of Eltingville Oct 23, 6:32 am show options >Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead >From: The Lord of Eltingville ogre.net> - Find messages by this author >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 06:32:19 -0400 >Local: Sun, Oct 23 2005 6:32 am >Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) >Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | >Show original | Report Abuse grtflmark wrote: > >Frankly, there are some jobs that I think SHOULD require drug testing: > >Even though drug testing is used to detect past use and not >current intoxication? > ........ ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests identify > people's blood alcohol level - which means is detects people who ARE > drunk - as well as people who were very recently drunk..... the same > thing is true of the blood tests - ifyou smoked a joint before you came > to work in the morning, they'll catch it.... >....... ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests aren't >used for workplace drug testing. > >so - your point is not only dumb - it's completely irrelevent....... .......ahhhh, more up-to-date newsflash, slappy (or Ted, if you perfer) - yes, they are. Here is a little excerpt from the Guidance to Employers starting or running workplace drug testing programs given out by the NY State Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Service. Check it: "those breathalyzer" tests are right there as one of the recommended common methods in workplace drug testing along WITH urine testing. Also, it explicitly states that urine testing is not used for alcohol - and that the breath testing is the MOST common test administered for this. In my experience, blood tests are usually used to verify exact information about BAC if you think you haven't sobered up recently enough (usually 5 hours before work in most programs). In other words: most programs allow you to have above a 0% BAC, but it has to clearly show that you were within some limit (usually 0,08%) at the time you reported for work or "picked up tools". We get a breath test every time we have to get randomly tested and give a urine drop in the industry I work in - which is subject to Government guidance. So, any industry subject to the same type of guidance will do the same. http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:JEtDItBTxA4J:www.oasas.state.ny.us/pio/publications/pg2.htm+%22drug+testing+procedures%22%2Bbreath%2Btest&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Drug-Testing Methods Several different methods of drug testing are available. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. Urine Test: The most common form of drug testing is to analyze a sample of urine for traces of drugs. A postive test result only indicates that a drug was used sometime in the recent past; it does not tell whether or not the person was under the influence when giving the sample. For detecting alcohol, a urine test is accurate but is not used because it correlates poorly with blood levels when usual collection procedures are used. Blood Test: A blood test measures the actual amount of alcohol or other drugs in the blood at the time of the test. Unlike the urine test, the results tell whether or not the person was under the influence at the time the test was done. Saliva and Hair Tests: Researchers have begun studying the testing of hair and saliva to detect alcohol and other drug use. Early results suggest that testing saliva may be a valid testing method. The accuracy, reliabity, and interprestation of hair testing have not yet been determined. Breath-Alcohol Test: A breath test is currently the most common method of testing for alcohol. The results tell if the individual is under the influence of alcohol at the time the breath sample is taken. ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 23 Oct 2005 17:46:12 -0700 Ben lied: You said it first. I know, that's no excuse, but you continued to repeat it. No, I didn't. You are now lying openly. Here is EXACTLY what I said in my post time dated: Oct 23, 1:50 am show options, as follows: >>so - your point is not only dumb - it's flat wrong....... There is NO accusation of YOU being "dumb" there - merely that your point here is - and its wrong. You could very well be an extremely intelligent person and have a point that misses the boat entirely - as in this case. There is NOTHING in my response that would preclude you from being both: intelligent AND making a point that was dumb. Intelligent people, all of us, do that from time to time. There is no personal invective there. Ben further lied: >I can only assume that the information you tried to pass on and >called me dumb and flat out wrong (you're splitting hairs and >being phony by trying to deny it) is BULLSHIT, especially since >you won't even try to back it up. Again, you're lying for some reason here. As stated above - EXACTLY what I said the first time was: >>so - your point is not only dumb - it's flat wrong....... -- again, I only called you "dumb" in response to YOUR calling me "dumb" - yes, YOU said it first. As to "not backing it up", see my post timestamped Oct 23, 8:23 pm, which I posted just prior to this one. I do have one other constructive thing to add to this discussion: there is no need for you to be uncivilized here..... it's just drug testing we're talking about.... I think. >>so - your point is not only dumb - it's flat wrong....... ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Bonus disc question Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:57:16 -0500 Is it okay to freely trade or share the bonus discs that come with GD official releases? They say "not for resale" on them but these are essentially limited edition cd's that aren't commercially available once the preorder date has passed. What's the consensus? ------------------------------ From: "marklaw" Subject: Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm Date: 23 Oct 2005 17:57:52 -0700 you'd think that bobby ace would endorse this product by actually playing it instead of his stock telecasters. ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Bonus disc question Date: 23 Oct 2005 17:58:41 -0700 Steve Terry wrote: What's the consensus? The Colts have a tit schedule. Mark ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Bonus disc question Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:05:17 -0500 "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message news:1130115521.556635.291390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Steve Terry wrote: > > What's the consensus? > > The Colts have a tit schedule. Hey, at least the Colts won. The Patriots didn't play anybody this weekend either and they DIDN'T win. ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:08:09 -0700 On 23 Oct 2005 17:23:41 -0700, "grtflmark" wrote: >>The Lord of Eltingville Oct 23, 6:32 am show options > >>Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead >>From: The Lord of Eltingville ogre.net> - Find messages by this author >>Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 06:32:19 -0400 >>Local: Sun, Oct 23 2005 6:32 am >>Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) >>Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | >Show original | Report Abuse > > > >grtflmark wrote: > >> >Frankly, there are some jobs that I think SHOULD require drug testing: > >> >Even though drug testing is used to detect past use and not >current intoxication? > >> ........ ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests identify >> people's blood alcohol level - which means is detects people who ARE >> drunk - as well as people who were very recently drunk..... the same >> thing is true of the blood tests - ifyou smoked a joint before you came >> to work in the morning, they'll catch it.... > >>....... ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests aren't >used for workplace drug testing. >> >>so - your point is not only dumb - it's completely irrelevent....... > >......ahhhh, more up-to-date newsflash, slappy (or Ted, if you perfer) >- yes, they are. Here is a little excerpt from the Guidance to >Employers starting or running workplace drug testing programs given out >by the NY State Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Service. >Check it: "those breathalyzer" tests are right there as one of the >recommended common methods in workplace drug testing along WITH urine >testing. That's short of it being required by law, which if I'm not mistaken is what you claimed was the case in many states. >Also, it explicitly states that urine testing is not used for >alcohol I say that if you NEED a breathalyzer test to figure out it someone is drinking on the job, there is a huge problem. There shouldn't be any problem with firing them for incompetence. >- and that the breath testing is the MOST common test >administered for this. But most employers are looking for ILLEGAL drugs, and it is generally understood that is what is meant when workplace drug testing is discussed. >In my experience, blood tests are usually used >to verify exact information about BAC if you think you haven't sobered >up recently enough (usually 5 hours before work in most programs). In >other words: most programs allow you to have above a 0% BAC, but it >has to clearly show that you were within some limit (usually 0,08%) at >the time you reported for work or "picked up tools". We get a breath >test every time we have to get randomly tested and give a urine drop in >the industry I work in - which is subject to Government guidance. So, >any industry subject to the same type of guidance will do the same. > >http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:JEtDItBTxA4J:www.oasas.state.ny.us/pio/publications/pg2.htm+%22drug+testing+procedures%22%2Bbreath%2Btest&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 What kind of industry are you in? > >Drug-Testing Methods > >Several different methods of drug testing are available. Each has its >advantages and disadvantages. > >Urine Test: The most common form of drug testing is to analyze a sample >of urine for traces of drugs. A postive test result only indicates that >a drug was used sometime in the recent past; it does not tell whether >or not the person was under the influence when giving the sample. Gee - isn't that the problem that I (and others) have brought up? ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: It's not dead. It's pining for the fjord. Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:49:05 -0400 Dead British parrot had deadly H5N1 bird flu By Mike Peacock Sun Oct 23, 3:32 PM ET LONDON (Reuters) - A parrot that died in quarantine in Britain has been found to have the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu, the agriculture ministry said on Sunday, and the spread of the virus meant the country was now at greater risk. A spokeswoman for Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs confirmed that scientists had found "the highly pathogenic H5N1 virus" in the parrot. "The closest match is to a strain found in ducks in China earlier this year," the ministry spokesman said. The parrot, imported from Suriname, South America, was part of a mixed consignment of 148 birds that arrived on September 16, the ministry said. They were held with another consignment of 216 birds from Taiwan. All the birds were culled while in quarantine. Debbie Reynolds, Britain's chief veterinary official, told reporters during a teleconference that the parrot likely caught the virus while in the quarantine center where it was kept with the Taiwanese birds. Her staff reviewed the global threat and determined "there is a high risk of further global dispersion of this virus." As a result, Britain and others must increase their vigilance. "There is a risk to the United Kingdom and this risk has increased," she said. She said however that the finding did not affect Britain's "avian influenza disease-free status." Reynolds said the parrot's tissue samples were mixed by mistake with another bird's so there may be two infected birds in the quarantine center but that is not clear. The H5N1 strain has killed more than 60 people in four Asian countries since breaking out in late 2003 in South Korea. It has also reached European Russia, Turkey and Romania, tracking the paths of migratory birds. H5N1 has triggered widespread concern because it can transfer to humans in some cases, although only if they have had prolonged and close contact with infected birds, and some experts fear it could mutate to transfer between humans. ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Bonus disc question Date: 23 Oct 2005 18:14:16 -0700 Steve Terry wrote: > "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message > news:1130115521.556635.291390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Steve Terry wrote: > > > > What's the consensus? > > > > The Colts have a tit schedule. > > Hey, at least the Colts won. The Patriots didn't play anybody this weekend > either and they DIDN'T win. I know you are but what am I? Mark ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Bonus disc question Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:28:48 GMT I'm firmly in the camp of NOT trading officially released product from Grateful Dead Productions. Now if you will EXCUSE me, the Bat phone is ringing. 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