From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #652 Dead-Flames Digest #652, Volume #48 Sun, 23 Oct 05 17:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Open Apology to the RMGD Women ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 ("Bill") Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 (pbuzby2002@yahoo.com) Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? ("Bill") Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 ("Bill") Re: Porky RIP ("Steve Terry") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("Carlisle") Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm ("Steve Terry") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) (Sherry) Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? (Sherry) Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) (Edwin Hurwitz) Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm ("Richard Morris") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("Dave Kelly") Ratdog Rise Up! ("T") RE: I feel weirded out this morning. ("Carry On Crow") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 23 Oct 2005 13:56:48 -0700 naught@nil.com wrote: > My favorite: The Man With the X-Ray Eyes with Ray Milland. YOU called it!!!! YOU win the prize!!!! What a classic "B" flick!!! Rick ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Open Apology to the RMGD Women Date: 23 Oct 2005 13:59:14 -0700 Roger wrote: > The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > > > You once were cute and clever > > Now you're shitty and dull > > I don't love you anymore > > I wanna crush your skull > > > > -Elvis Hitler > > > > > I used to love her > But I had to kill her > I knew I'd miss her > So I had to keep her > She's buried right in my backyard > -G'n'R > > Roger Because I used to love her But It's all over now!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:08:00 GMT "John Metzger" wrote > Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 > > When Miles Davis abandoned his second great quintet in the late '60s, he > began to explore the uncharted waters of jazz-fusion by incorporating a > myriad of funk-rock rhythms, ostinato bass lines, and amplified > instrumentation into his work. Yet, for all the acclaim that albums like > Bitches' Brew and In a Silent Way have received -- and rightfully so -- > they were merely the culmination of the first part of a journey that had > commenced on Miles in the Sky and Filles de Kilimanjaro. In 1970, he > began pushing his music even further during the sessions that resulted > in the magnificent A Tribute to Jack Johnson, an album that fully > grafted the jazz world's improvisational virtuosity onto rock 'n' roll's > raging intensity, but even here, he still clung, however tenuously, to a > traditional jazz-oriented framework. > > As the year progressed, the make-up of Davis' touring band began to > mutate, but by fall, it had coalesced around pianist Keith Jarrett, > drummer Jack DeJohnette, saxophonist Gary Bartz, percussionist Airto, > and bass player Michael Henderson. In fact, Davis not only had > jettisoned most of the players who had helped him to create his early > forays into fusion, but he also had discarded most of its music; only a > skeletal snippet from Wayne Shorter's Sanctuary and a looser > interpretation of It's About that Time were retained with any > regularity. Indeed, this was a entirely different band, and it served an > entirely different purpose. The addition of Henderson -- who had earned > his reputation by working with both the Motown label as well as with > Stevie Wonder -- marked a shift from acoustic to electric bass in Davis' > ensembles, and as a result, the underlying force that drove his material > had changed substantially. In essence, it signaled the dawning of a new, > more aggressive era. > > At the time, Davis' artistic inclinations had veered toward capturing > music that was made "in the moment," and so, instead of heading into a > studio, he took his outfit to Washington D.C.'s Cellar Door for a > 10-show, four-night run in December. It was the recordings from these > concerts that formed the basis for Live-Evil. Understandably, Teo Macero > severely edited the material, and while the final product worked quite > well as a two-LP package, it wasn't truly representative of the band > that Davis had assembled. However, the newly issued, six-CD collection > The Cellar Door Sessions 1970, which features six of the concerts that > were performed at the intimate venue, does provide a more comprehensive > portrait of the group, and it, therefore, is an easy matter to see why > some consider this ensemble to be as groundbreaking and as invincible as > either of his most-respected quintets. > > This is an excerpt. To read the complete review, please visit: > > http://www.musicbox-online.com/md-cds.html Good review. Thanks. It's ironic that this got released this week since I just converted the flac discs of these shows to audio discs though I haven't listened to them yet. I have had them for probably close to two years (which I got courtesy of the great Ecocats) but only in flac form. Today's San Francisco Chronicle reviewed this release and gave it its highest rating just like you did. Here's their review (it's at the bottom of the page - above it are reviews of the latest releases from Aerosmith, N Sync, and Destiny's Child): http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/23/PKGFVF8O6R1.DTL& hw=Cellar+Door+Sessions&sn=001&sc=1000 I haven't listened to it yet but after reading your review and the Chronicle's, it will be hard not to listen to some of it today. I'm interested in how it compares to Miles' shows from March 6th and 7th, 1970 (Fillmore East). The show from March 7th, 1970 is an official release called, "It's About That Time" which I *highly* recommend. (This new release is from December, 1970 shows.) Miles' band on those two March, 1970 nights had Dave Holland on electric bass and Chick Corea on electric piano. Both of those players are outstanding on it and are the dominant instruments though everybody still plays a big part in the sound (Miles' horn work is great). Those March, 1970 shows were the last two shows with Wayne Shorter in the band. I'm interested to hear how the playing of Michael Henderson (bass) and Keith Jarrett (electric piano) on these December, 1970 shows compares to that of Dave Holland (bass) and Chick Corea (electric piano) respectively on the March, 1970 shows. There's a great 45 minute video of Miles band playing from this time period on the dvd called "Miles Electric: A Different Kind of Blue." It's from the Isle of Wight festival from 1970 (the Who and Hendrix also played) and has Dave Holland playing (outstanding) bass, Chick Corea and Keith Jarrett on electric pianos (playing at the same time), Airto, and Jack DeJohnette on drums. Here's a link to allmusic.com's review of that dvd: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:ymdayl75xpzb Bill ------------------------------ From: pbuzby2002@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 Date: 23 Oct 2005 14:12:56 -0700 Bill wrote: > I'm interested to hear how the playing of Michael Henderson (bass) and Keith > Jarrett (electric piano) on these December, 1970 shows compares to that of > Dave Holland (bass) and Chick Corea (electric piano) respectively on the > March, 1970 shows. To make a long story short, swapping Holland for Henderson led to a lot more funk and less jazz in Miles's music. Pat Buzby Chicago, IL ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:14:13 GMT "Nick's Picks" wrote > > Steve Terry wrote: > > ...and the number one reason...because without Jerry, they suck! > > > HRYK..unfortunately. No he's not - at least if the show I saw last year from Marysville, CA is any indication. Any band that has Phil on bass, and Mickey and Bill pounding away on drums doing Grateful Dead songs is not going to suck IMO. Before the show, I wasn't sure if they were going to be good but they most definitely were bigtime (as Dick Cheney would say) on that day. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:22:43 GMT Pat Buzby wrote > Bill wrote: > > > I'm interested to hear how the playing of Michael Henderson (bass) and Keith > > Jarrett (electric piano) on these December, 1970 shows compares to that of > > Dave Holland (bass) and Chick Corea (electric piano) respectively on the > > March, 1970 shows. > > To make a long story short, swapping Holland for Henderson led to a lot > more funk and less jazz in Miles's music. > > Pat Buzby > Chicago, IL Well though I wouldn't call Holland's bass playing with Miles band in 1970 exactly "funky," I wouldn't call it "jazzy" either. It most definitely was pretty damn ferocious. It's some of the best bass playing I've heard - and slightly similar in some ways to Phil's playing on some of the epic '74 Dead jams (I did say "slightly"). Bill ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Porky RIP Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:29:51 -0500 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:02R6f.18263$6e1.4657@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > news:djgi3a$hm4$1@news.iquest.net... > >> It appears that we will just have to agree to disagree on this debate, >> but I think we can find some common ground here. I know it's hard to >> compare teams from different eras, but would you concur that the Little >> Rascals in their prime would have done dominated the '85 Bears? > > Hmmm....a 1937 Spanky Vs. William Refridgerator Perry? > In the Paint, I'm gonna HAVE to give it to Spanks. > Fridge aint got a 3 shot. Point blank. > Spanky Vs. Meadowlark Lemon?...tough call. Plus, who would you rather hear singing: Alfalfa flawlessly delivering a moving love ballad to Darla or Jim McMahon butchering the classic Super Bowl Shuffle? ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 23 Oct 2005 14:31:21 -0700 Richard Morris wrote: > "Carlisle" wrote in message > news:1130091109.084412.193270@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > snip > > > Well Richard since you want to make me out to be the poster child for > > the "vast right-wing conspiracy", I'll answer like this. They got > > Eh? I posed a general question. You elected yourself to answer it. So if > anyone made you a poster child, it was you. > > > arrogant and played hardball. It's not just republicans or > > conservatives that this happens to. "Power corrupts, absolute power > > corrupts absolutely."...You want a scandle?! You're getting it with the > > weekly casualty lists that come back from Iraq. Did you remember that I > > was against our invasion and occupation of Iraq?? IMHO, it was/is not > > in our national interest and it sets a bad precedent. Howard Dean > > rightly criticized both Kerry and Edwards for voting to give the "Bush > > propaganda machine" the authorization to do this. But alas at the time, > > Bush's poll numbers were very high. It's a shame. I hope for the best > > possible outcome for the Bush dream now, if only for the fallen > > soldiers and so their sacrifice won't be in vain. > > Good DAY, sir- > > Bush dream? I wonder what that is/was .... > > You can divide gummint policy into foreign policy and domestic policy. > > Please tell me in which area of the two, Bush is making a positive > difference, and cite a specific or two. > > Otherwise, my question remains ... what does it take for conservative types > to come to the conclusion that their boy Bush is a disaster? > > R. Here are some answers for you, R. Bush's dream for Iraq?? According to the rhetoric anyway>>the establishment of a modern constitutional state governed by the rule of law and opposed to terrorists like al Qaeda. In turn, other despotic regimes in the region would begin to reform, etc. This is how I interpret the neo-con/Bush/Cheney dream for Iraq. I think it's a total crap shoot and I think it sets a dangerous precedent. (I think I said that already) This Administration is pretty darn near a disaster. It can't be called a failed Presidency until January of '09, if I'm doing the math correctly. I'd like to see these guys do a couple of things before the Democrats sweep the next two elections: 1)reform entitlements with some free-markets incentives (Social Security) 2)increase domestic energy production 3)tort reform. BTW, Richard you did mention me by name or screen name. Quote, "So now, you right wing types...Carlisle & others...Are y'all incapable of reasoning?" So it was a little bit more than just a general question. That's all right though. Challenge is good. C. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:32 -0500 "minnehaha" wrote in message news:djgslh$eg2g$1@netnews.upenn.edu... > >> And the irony is that he was often so low in the mix as to be virtually >> undetectable. ;) > > > The best rhythm guitarist is the one you never hear. Think about that one > for a minute. Okay, I thought about it for a minute, well actually it was only 13 seconds, and I don't comprehend. Shouldn't everyone be heard, not necessarily equally? I will say that my rhythym work on mandolin less resembles Bill Monroe's chops and more resembles Weir's guitar work. (I use the word "resemble" loosely.) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:15 GMT >> Far Out, Man > > Good one. > A sloppy but incredibly funny Tommy Chong flick It's up there on my list of all-time favorite movies. :) Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? From: Sherry Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:55:05 GMT > And Tremors is on right now on AMC. Came on at 4. The kid is watching > it while I cook dinner: roasted taragon chicken and a black angus top > round roast, with onions and carrots. The potatoes are cooking on the > stove and will be smashed in about 45 minutes. Man is it starting to > smell real good in the kitchen. It's also warming up the house; I'll be > damned if I turn the furnace on yet. > > I'm hungry... Me too, can I come over for dinner?! Andre's cooking pork chops here, with macaroni and cheese. I normally like that just fine, but what you're having sounds GREAT! :) Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 23 Oct 2005 15:24:38 -0700 And we just finished and it WAS good. We ate like swines and even fixed up a small plate for The Dawg. Chessie scarfed it down real quick. Now, as I get ready to clean up the carnage, I'll put 9.21.72 into rotation. I read in another post that it was still up at GD live so I grabbed it yesterday, even though I did order the official DP36. Just couldn't wait. Theresa ------------------------------ From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:11:07 -0600 Zardoz is pretty good like that! Edwin ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:14:13 -0700 "minnehaha" wrote in message news:djgsjk$d9rn$1@netnews.upenn.edu... > >> " The explanation for the multitude of switches on the recreation also >> comes >> from what Bob Weir wanted in the Cowboy Fancy models. Said Jeff >> Hasselberger in an online reply as to the origins of the guitar: "We made >> a couple of the 'cowboy' models with a number of switching combos that >> were constantly going under the surgeon's soldering iron. Basically, Bob >> wanted as much flexibility of pickup selection as we could deliver. So he >> had a choice of single coils, series humbuckers, parallel humbuckers, >> phase reversals and so on. We also used the standard Artist EQ system on >> at least one of them." >> >> And the irony is that he was often so low in the mix as to be virtually >> undetectable. ;) >> >> R. > > The best rhythm guitarist is the one you never hear. Think about that > one. Having played in bands for the last 30 or so years, I don't have to. For some instruments, they are best noticed only in their absence. Like rhythm guitar ... ya don't want to have them be to prominent. So I agree with you in theory. However, you ought to be able to pick them out of the mix if you know what to listen for, and Weir was often simply too low for my taste. R. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:23:25 GMT "Richard Morris" wrote in message news:8PadnQ2NWoi3bcbenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > oooo! You have that on DVD by any chance? Can ya hook a brother up? * sorry, bro...I just have it on a mediocre MPEG disc. I do hear that a clean DVD copy of the "Globetrotters meet Scooby Doo" is making the rounds on the various 'Trotters BT download sites. I'm hearing rumours of an easter egg involving some rawness jumping off between Geese Osby and a VERY "erect" Shaggy. Nice! ------------------------------ From: "T" Subject: Ratdog Rise Up! Date: 23 Oct 2005 16:37:39 -0700 Howdy folks, let's make this the best Ratdog tour to date!? Bring your dancin shoes and some of that good old GD energy for Bobby and the gang. It's up to us to make it or break it. See you at the Riv, Peace T. ------------------------------ From: "Carry On Crow" Subject: RE: I feel weirded out this morning. Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:57:36 +0000 (UTC) "ck" wrote: } I have had them on ebay for several days asking just cost. One person }has }the auction page watched but no inquiries and i'm accepting best offers. }See }auctions; http://urlcut.com/.... }http://urlcut.com.... 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