From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #649 Dead-Flames Digest #649, Volume #48 Sun, 23 Oct 05 07:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("grtflmark") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Tom Beck) Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm ("grtflmark") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("grtflmark") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("grtflmark") Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm ("pookietooth") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("pookietooth") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) Re: SHN/FLAC DVD dialup OFFER CLOSED ("band beyond description") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Tom Beck) Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("Olompali4") Re: any video capture freeware? (ndc) ("AwolfOutWest69") David Gans Solo Electric ("slenon") Re: who buys this? ("band beyond description") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) (JimK) Re: Thank you, Mr. Postman (JimK) Re: Thank you, Mr. Postman (JimK) Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("Carlisle") Re: Double Slim Line Jewel Cases Question.......{NDC}.. (JimK) (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions (John Metzger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 22 Oct 2005 20:56:13 -0700 >Meanwhile, fyi, European countries have, and I think I am not >mistaken here, applied Geneva Conventions protections >precisely to "unlawful combatants" as part of their "human >rights" ideology/concerns. ....ahhhhhh, NEWSFLASH here, Sparky: The United States has applied protections and treatment that FAR EXCEED the requirements of the Geneva Conventions to this terrorist animals - GITMO is a prime example. The United States have allowed them LEGAL REPRESENTATION and COURT HEARINGS and DUE PROCESSES which are only "rights" afforded United States Citizens under the Constitution - which these animals CLEARLY are not. That is to say: they are NEITHER United States Citizen NOR subject to the rights in the US Constitution. This is MILES beyond the Genva Conventions and FAR beyond rights that ANY European country has afforded these animals. Read William Barr's testimony and learn. ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:41:01 -0500 grtflmark wrote: >>This whole thread really highlights a problem unique to our modern >>society. Why do we tolerate employers owning the biggest portions of >>our souls? > > >>>I don't know this is unique to modern society. Early >>generations had slavery, indentured servants and feudal lords. >> > > > ......... makes drug testing look reasonable, or a worst - a minor but > equal inconvenience for all employees of companies that require > them...... > > Frankly, there are some jobs that I think SHOULD require drug testing: > > Teachers > Cops > Oil Barge Drivers > Cabbies Having been one in the past I can assure you if you drug tested cabbies, there would be a lot fewer (like none) cabbies on the streets. We survived the indignities of the job through pot, liquor (not a good idea), and occasionally the harder stuff. Reap what you sow. The better echelons of society who rode with me were not shy about sharing their contempt for people of my profession. There are some jobs that just would not get done if you did not allow dopers to do them. Tom > Railroad Engineers > Airline Pilots > > ...... you get the idea. Obviously politicans aren't on the list or > Teddy Kennedy would've been out of the Senate years ago.... > ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm Date: 22 Oct 2005 22:02:02 -0700 >http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/s=electric/search/>detail... >so I could be an ace too....hmm but not for $5000....... ......well, at least you'd get the "free shipping" for all orders over $29.00....... ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:18:49 -0700 On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:41:01 -0500, Tom Beck wrote: > >Having been one in the past I can assure >you if you drug tested cabbies, there would >be a lot fewer (like none) cabbies on the >streets. We survived the indignities of >the job through pot, liquor (not a good idea), >and occasionally the harder stuff. Reap what >you sow. The better echelons of society >who rode with me were not shy about sharing >their contempt for people of my profession. >There are some jobs that just would not get >done if you did not allow dopers to do them. By the same token, I have ridden in the back of the cab and felt the contempt of the cabbie because he had waited at the airport 3 hours for a fare and I wasn't going more than 10 miles. It's not my fault he waited at the airport for 3 hours - maybe there are too many cabbies to begin with. ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 22:47:21 -0700 >Frankly, there are some jobs that I think SHOULD require drug testing: >Even though drug testing is used to detect past use and not >current intoxication? ......... ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests identify people's blood alcohol level - which means is detects people who ARE drunk - as well as people who were very recently drunk..... the same thing is true of the blood tests - ifyou smoked a joint before you came to work in the morning, they'll catch it.... so - your point is not only dumb - it's flat wrong....... ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 22:50:56 -0700 >Frankly, there are some jobs that I think SHOULD require drug testing: >Even though drug testing is used to detect past use and not >current intoxication? ......... ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests identify people's blood alcohol level - which means is detects people who ARE drunk - as well as people who were very recently drunk..... the same thing is true of the blood *OR URINE * tests - if you smoked a joint before you came to work in the morning, they'll catch it.... so - your point is not only dumb - it's flat wrong....... ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: Bob Wier Ibanez guitar hmmm Date: 22 Oct 2005 23:20:28 -0700 seraphim wrote: > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/s=electric/search/detail/base_pid/515084/ > > > so I could be an ace too....hmm but not for $5000....... That is one awesome looking guitar. Wish I had 5k lying around somewhere. ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 23:24:17 -0700 Dylanstubs wrote: > I think Kesey once cited 2001 A Space Odyssey as being a great acid > movie. Definitely at the top of my list. I didn't understand this movie when I first saw it, after a few trips down psychedelic lane it was all crystal clear. ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:32:56 -0700 On 22 Oct 2005 22:47:21 -0700, "grtflmark" wrote: >>Frankly, there are some jobs that I think SHOULD require drug testing: > >>Even though drug testing is used to detect past use and not >current intoxication? > >........ ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests identify >people's blood alcohol level - which means is detects people who ARE >drunk - as well as people who were very recently drunk..... the same >thing is true of the blood tests - ifyou smoked a joint before you came >to work in the morning, they'll catch it.... > >so - your point is not only dumb - it's flat wrong....... Unfortunately, most drug testing is by piss test, so you are not only dumb, you are flat out wrong ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: SHN/FLAC DVD dialup OFFER CLOSED Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:40:40 +0900 closed; look for Harry Bournazian to reoffer... thanks for playin'! -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:40:49 +0900 wrote in message news:1130020085.146071.246500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Thanks for the tip. Will NOT put that in rotation tonight. Guess it'll > be a comedy tonight. > How about "Men in Black," the Curly version? Thanks again Theresa, for "the gift that keeps on giving!" -- Peace, ~ Steve ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:02:55 -0500 Ben wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:41:01 -0500, Tom Beck > wrote: > > >>Having been one in the past I can assure >>you if you drug tested cabbies, there would >>be a lot fewer (like none) cabbies on the >>streets. We survived the indignities of >>the job through pot, liquor (not a good idea), >>and occasionally the harder stuff. Reap what >>you sow. The better echelons of society >>who rode with me were not shy about sharing >>their contempt for people of my profession. >>There are some jobs that just would not get >>done if you did not allow dopers to do them. > > > By the same token, I have ridden in the back of the cab and felt the > contempt of the cabbie because he had waited at the airport 3 hours > for a fare and I wasn't going more than 10 miles. > > It's not my fault he waited at the airport for 3 hours - maybe there > are too many cabbies to begin with. No. He chose to play the airport rather than answer radio calls (which I always preferred). "You makes your choices, you takes your chances" was a common saying back when I did it. And, no, there are not too many cabbies. Try out that saying on a cold, blustery Friday night which happens to fall on the first day of the month. Tom ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 23 Oct 2005 03:07:25 -0700 GRT: I follow that this one individual states that the protections afforded to "lawful combatants" are afforded to members of the collective group as members of the protected group per se and not as individuals and that a key group criteria is that that group be a "contracting power". The article itself, however, does not cite that criteria, that is being signatory to the contract within which that article itself appears, does not appear within the article setting out qualifications of "lawful combatants". Though I am not primarily interested in determining whether Ql Qaeda could theortically meet the Geneva Convention requirements for "lawful combatants" (9/11--I don't think so), let us look at article Three: A combatant (also referred to as an enemy combatant) is a soldier or guerrilla member who is waging war. Under the Third Geneva Convention (GCIII), persons waging war must have the following characteristics to be protected by the laws of war: Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict or members of militias not under the command of the armed forces that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; that of carrying arms openly; that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. or are members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power. or inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war. The article leads by citing its applicability to "guerilla members" who, even should they be contesting other forces on the soil whose sovereign power is a "contracting power", themselves do not represent that sovereign power nor would one expect them to be afforded the benefits of agreements to which that sovereign power is a signatory. This leads me to assume that Al Qaeda could theoretically change its behavior and be considered "lawful combatants". Clearly they are not now "lawful combatants." My question would still be what to do with them. As noted, Congress has intervened or will intervene to limit interrogation techniques. ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 23 Oct 2005 03:26:55 -0700 GRT: you're joking about Gitmo prisoners having full POW Geneva protections and even more? Should my sarcastic meter be on? POWs cannot be interrogated--they only give rank and serial number. Al Qaeda has none of that--part of the problem--but one could not infer from the Geneva Conventions POW protections were those afforded to Al Qaeda, that members of Al Qaeda could be interrogated for any other purpose. My understanding is that some of these guys were messed with. (I may have sent another post on this). POWs cannot be subjected to forced nudity, extremes of temperature, prolonged questioning following sleep deprivation, etc. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 06:32:19 -0400 grtflmark wrote: > > >Frankly, there are some jobs that I think SHOULD require drug testing: > > >Even though drug testing is used to detect past use and not >current intoxication? > > ........ ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests identify > people's blood alcohol level - which means is detects people who ARE > drunk - as well as people who were very recently drunk..... the same > thing is true of the blood tests - ifyou smoked a joint before you came > to work in the morning, they'll catch it.... > > so - your point is not only dumb - it's flat wrong....... ........ ahhhh, newsflash sparky: those breathalyzer tests aren't used for workplace drug testing. so - your point is not only dumb - it's completely irrelevent....... ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: 23 Oct 2005 04:59:01 -0700 > Far Out, Man Good one. A sloppy but incredibly funny Tommy Chong flick ------------------------------ From: "AwolfOutWest69" Subject: Re: any video capture freeware? (ndc) Date: 23 Oct 2005 05:27:52 -0700 vitr9415@aol.com wrote: > Hey all, > I'm looking for a video capture program which does for video what cdwav > editor does for audio? Any ideas? thanks. > -tomv I'm not familiar with cdwav, but VirtualDub is a very popular capture and editing program. And it is free. Check out the forums and guides at www.doom9.org and www.videohelp.com for help with proper usage. HTH awow69 ------------------------------ From: "slenon" Subject: David Gans Solo Electric Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:51:09 GMT Buy this album immediately. It is phenomenal listening. http://www.dgans.com/ All of us should own this for two reasons. 1: Over the years David has provided us with lots of music we'd not have had otherwise. Loyalty to one of our own demands we respond in kind. 2. This album is a wonderful mix of vocal and instrumental wizardry showcasing a brilliant singer-songwriter and guitarist. His solo work eclipses most bands with two guitarists. In short, it is a treat for your ears and your mind. http://www.dgans.com/ -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 When the dawn came up like thunder slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:49:27 +0900 "Sparky the Wonder Dog" wrote in message news:1130028568.548496.203980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > the movie would be the remake of "Amityville Horror"--has cursed > magnetic refrig letters > rec.music.bipolar.homicidal is down two doors to the right....### ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:17:24 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 22 Oct 2005 15:54:29 -0700, "frndthdevl" wrote: >"He's a prankster...." But is he merry? JimK ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Thank you, Mr. Postman Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:32:02 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:45:36 -0700, "Richard Morris" wrote: >I sent some discs and stamps off to Steve Terry for a B&P... and he sent me >back my envelope with music, and returned my postage to me. Post office >forgot to cancel the stamps on the way to him so he didn't need to use the >extra postage. But they also did not cancel the stamps on the way back to >me. So I am sending stuff to Tony in New Joisey with them. So that makes >three trips on one set of stamps. > >Tony, you need to keep an eye on that envelope to see if the stamps get >canceled! > >Is there a rec.music.gdead record for number of mailings with the same >stamps? > >I have nothing better to do today than pursue this inquiry. > >R. Ahh, Inspector Clouseau is on the job! JimK ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Thank you, Mr. Postman Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:33:11 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 22 Oct 2005 11:43:23 -0700, bigchuck51@aol.com wrote: >I have found out over the years that between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 BnP >packages come back with uncancelled postage, must be a buncha Deadhead >at the Post Office 'cause I usually put dates on the envelopes. or it >could just be incompetance. I like to think Deadheads though. later- They're probably trying to follow the same career path as Lesh did. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 23 Oct 2005 06:35:09 -0700 > > So now, you right wing types .... "Carlisle" and others ... what do you have > to say about this? Do you still feel that it is much ado about nothing? I > will await your response with interest. > > I am always curious that when some right wing assertion is made, and a > generally compelling refutation is delivered, there is typically silence > until the same people cough up the next right wing diatribe. > > Are y'all incapable of reasoning? > > R. Hey R, Mkay. If any laws were broken even if there is no way that national security and/or anyone's personal safety was at stake, then due punishment should be applied. The perps should take their lumps. The rule of law is the rule of law. How's that for reasonin' y'all?! peace & awe, Carlisle ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Double Slim Line Jewel Cases Question.......{NDC}.. Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:43:40 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 22 Oct 2005 15:09:09 -0700, "The old geezer" wrote: >....Anybody know of a site where these can be purchased? Now, I mean >the *GOOD* kind, not those new cheesy cheapo ones that just open up >with no place to put the track listing card. > >None of the local stores seem to carry them anymore! > >Thanx. > >The old geezer Try these sites: american-digital.com blank-cd-cdr.com JimK ------------------------------ From: John Metzger Subject: (NDC) Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:49:52 GMT Album/Box Set Review - Miles Davis - The Cellar Door Sessions 1970 When Miles Davis abandoned his second great quintet in the late '60s, he began to explore the uncharted waters of jazz-fusion by incorporating a myriad of funk-rock rhythms, ostinato bass lines, and amplified instrumentation into his work. Yet, for all the acclaim that albums like Bitches' Brew and In a Silent Way have received -- and rightfully so -- they were merely the culmination of the first part of a journey that had commenced on Miles in the Sky and Filles de Kilimanjaro. In 1970, he began pushing his music even further during the sessions that resulted in the magnificent A Tribute to Jack Johnson, an album that fully grafted the jazz world's improvisational virtuosity onto rock 'n' roll's raging intensity, but even here, he still clung, however tenuously, to a traditional jazz-oriented framework. As the year progressed, the make-up of Davis' touring band began to mutate, but by fall, it had coalesced around pianist Keith Jarrett, drummer Jack DeJohnette, saxophonist Gary Bartz, percussionist Airto, and bass player Michael Henderson. In fact, Davis not only had jettisoned most of the players who had helped him to create his early forays into fusion, but he also had discarded most of its music; only a skeletal snippet from Wayne Shorter's Sanctuary and a looser interpretation of It's About that Time were retained with any regularity. Indeed, this was a entirely different band, and it served an entirely different purpose. The addition of Henderson -- who had earned his reputation by working with both the Motown label as well as with Stevie Wonder -- marked a shift from acoustic to electric bass in Davis' ensembles, and as a result, the underlying force that drove his material had changed substantially. In essence, it signaled the dawning of a new, more aggressive era. At the time, Davis' artistic inclinations had veered toward capturing music that was made "in the moment," and so, instead of heading into a studio, he took his outfit to Washington D.C.'s Cellar Door for a 10-show, four-night run in December. It was the recordings from these concerts that formed the basis for Live-Evil. Understandably, Teo Macero severely edited the material, and while the final product worked quite well as a two-LP package, it wasn't truly representative of the band that Davis had assembled. However, the newly issued, six-CD collection The Cellar Door Sessions 1970, which features six of the concerts that were performed at the intimate venue, does provide a more comprehensive portrait of the group, and it, therefore, is an easy matter to see why some consider this ensemble to be as groundbreaking and as invincible as either of his most-respected quintets. This is an excerpt. To read the complete review, please visit: http://www.musicbox-online.com/md-cds.html ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .