From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #647 Dead-Flames Digest #647, Volume #48 Sat, 22 Oct 05 17:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: who buys this? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Thank you, Mr. Postman ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: who buys this? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("Dylanstubs") Double Slim Line Jewel Cases Question.......{NDC}.. ("The old geezer") Re: who buys this? ("Dave Kelly") Re: who buys this? ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: who buys this? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: who buys this? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) ("The old geezer") Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) ("Millhaven") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("frndthdevl") Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("Ray") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Tom Beck) Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? ("Schmoe") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("Richard Morris") Re: Webhosting advice? ("Schmoe") Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? (Uncle John) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. (Joe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:01:20 -0700 How do the firidge magnets fit together? I remember refirgerator magnets in "Darkness" but in that movie they don't exactly spell out happy thoughts. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:02:12 -0700 Yeah, what's left of the Wall of Sound takes up alot of space... ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: Thank you, Mr. Postman Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:02:21 -0700 Vellllly Intellesting... ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:05:32 -0700 Well, they're a bunch of words (perhaps 3000) like Cassidy, Dark, Wind, Star, Jam, etc (you get the drift) along with icons and >s. You can make up your own lyrics, set lists, etc. Take a hit and start sticking them to a metal surface. The fun never stops over here. ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:06:34 -0700 > scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: > Clerks > The Blues Brothers > Road Trip (especially when the dog talks). > Also, cruising my collection I just noticed one I never watched: Lost > in Translation. Maybe I'll plunk that one in and watch between '73 > downloads. Lost in Translation was terribly sad. A good reminder that if you find someone you're attracted to, make sure you let them know it. And if they feel the same way, hold tight and never let go. ------------------------------ From: "The old geezer" Subject: Double Slim Line Jewel Cases Question.......{NDC}.. Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:09:09 -0700 .....Anybody know of a site where these can be purchased? Now, I mean the *GOOD* kind, not those new cheesy cheapo ones that just open up with no place to put the track listing card. None of the local stores seem to carry them anymore! Thanx. The old geezer ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:09:50 GMT I cherish my "Steal Your Face" oven mitts! ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:11:05 -0700 That sure beats C-A-T-C-H T-H-E-M K-I-L-L T-H-E-M. Are there growing DeadHeads in PJ's participating or is this strictly for adults only (tokes aside)? ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:24:13 -0700 Uuuuh, Sparky, not following you here. Have I missed a movie or something? ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: who buys this? Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:24:45 -0700 Damn Dave, Sierra Spew... ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:28:05 -0700 Thanks for the tip. Will NOT put that in rotation tonight. Guess it'll be a comedy tonight. ------------------------------ From: "The old geezer" Subject: Re: The best stoner movie (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:32:11 -0700 "The Three Stooges DVD 12-Pack." -- Peace, Steve Moe: "Here, I'll hold it....and when I nod my head....you hit it with the hammer". Curly: "But, Moe...."! Moe: "Don't Argue, Just Do As I Say....." TOG ------------------------------ From: "Millhaven" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:45:30 -0700 John Hanson wrote: > "smack down" wrote in message > news:17395-4358477F-92@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net... > > Hello..... > > I just saw Paul McCartney in Chicago on 10/18, but I can't seem to find > > the setlist anywhere. Anybody know what sites I should look for for > > setlists? Thanks! :) > > > rec.music.beatles ought to do it for you. > > I just bought four tickets to go see Macca at Anaheim. My wife and I > decided to take my 8 year old daughter for her birthday and allow her to > bring one of her friends. She only knows the Beatles from the Yellow > Submarine video but we figured ten years from now she might think it was > cool to have seen him. At the moment she's still trying to come to grips > with how he's not really a cartoon and he probably won't sing the submarine > song. > > John H. You should have taken her to see Ringo & The Roundheads in June at the El Rey Theatre. Nice small, intimate place, tickets were "only" about $80 and yes, he did play "Yellow Submarine." ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:54:29 -0700 Ray wrote: I really hope that Fitzgerald nails the > mother-f*ers mother-fuckers >who outed Plame. > > Ray http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/22/politics/22fitzgerald.html October 22, 2005 Leak Prosecutor Is Called Exacting and Apolitical By SCOTT SHANE and DAVID JOHNSTON WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 - In 13 years prosecuting mobsters and terrorists in New York, Patrick J. Fitzgerald earned a public reputation for meticulous preparation, a flawless memory and an easy eloquence. Only his colleagues knew that these orderly achievements emerged from the near-total anarchy of his office, where the relentless Mr. Fitzgerald often slept during big cases. "You'd open a drawer, looking for a pen or Post-it notes, and it would be full of dirty socks," recalled Karen Patton Seymour, a former assistant United States attorney who tried a major case with him. "He was a mess. Food here, clothes there, papers everywhere. But behind all that was a totally organized mind." That mind, which has taken on Al Qaeda and the Gambino crime family, is now focused on the most politically volatile case of Mr. Fitzgerald's career. As the special prosecutor who has directed the C.I.A. leak investigation, he is expected to decide within days who, if anyone, will be charged with a crime. To seek indictments against the White House officials caught up in the inquiry would deliver a devastating blow to the Bush administration. To simply walk away after two years of investigation, which included the jailing of a reporter for 85 days for refusing to testify, would invite cries of cover-up and waste. Yet Mr. Fitzgerald's past courtroom allies and adversaries say that consideration of political consequences will play no role in his decision. "I don't think the prospect of a firestorm would deter him," said J. Gilmore Childers, who worked with Mr. Fitzgerald on high-profile terrorism prosecutions in New York during the 1990s. "His only calculus is to do the right thing as he sees it." Stanley L. Cohen, a New York lawyer who has defended those accused of terrorism in a half-dozen cases prosecuted by Mr. Fitzgerald, said he never detected the slightest political leanings, only a single-minded dedication to the law. "There's no doubt in my mind that if he's found something, he won't be swayed one way or the other by the politics of it," Mr. Cohen said. "For Pat, there's no such thing as a little crime you can ignore." Mr. Fitzgerald, 44, whose regular job is as the United States attorney in Chicago, is a hard man to pigeonhole. The son of Irish immigrants - his father, Patrick Sr., was a Manhattan doorman - he graduated from Amherst College and Harvard Law School. Though he is a workaholic who sends e- mail messages to subordinates at 2 a.m. and has never married, friends say the man they call Fitzie is a hilarious raconteur and great company for beer and baseball. Ruthless in his pursuit of criminals, he once went to considerable trouble to adopt a cat. "He's a prankster and a practical joker," said Ms. Seymour, who now practices law in New York, recalling when Mr. Fitzgerald drafted a fake judge's opinion denying a key motion and had it delivered to a colleague. "But he's also brilliant. When he's trying a complicated case, there's no detail he can't recall." Mr. Fitzgerald was appointed in December 2003 by James B. Comey, then the deputy attorney general and an old friend, to investigate the disclosure in a column by Robert Novak of the identity of an undercover operative for the Central Intelligence Agency, Valerie Wilson, also referred to by her maiden name, Valerie Plame. Her husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, a former diplomat who had traveled to Niger on behalf of the C.I.A. to check on reports that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was seeking uranium there, had publicly accused the White House of twisting the evidence to justify war against Iraq. Lawyers involved in the case say Mr. Fitzgerald appears to be examining whether high-level officials who spoke to reporters about the Wilsons sought to mislead prosecutors about their discussions. Those under scrutiny include Karl Rove, the top political adviser to President Bush, and I. Lewis Libby Jr., the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In grand jury sessions, Mr. Fitzgerald has struck witnesses as polite and exacting. Matthew Cooper, a Time magazine reporter who wrote about his two and half hours of testimony, said that the prosecutor's questions were asked "in microscopic, excruciating detail." Before he testified, Mr. Cooper recalled that Mr. Fitzgerald counseled him to say what he remembered and no more. "If I show you a picture of your kindergarten teacher and it really refreshes your memory say so," Mr. Cooper wrote, quoting Mr. Fitzgerald. "If it doesn't, don't say yes just because I show you a photo of you and her sitting together." Judith Miller, the New York Times reporter who wrote about her two grand jury appearances, said that Mr. Fitzgerald asked questions that reflected a deep knowledge of the leak case as he led her through her dealings with Mr. Libby. Mr. Fitzgerald has drawn criticism from press advocates for his aggressive pursuit of journalists he believes may have been told about the secret C.I.A. employment of Ms. Wilson. Ms. Miller served nearly three months in jail this summer before agreeing to testify. In pursuing leads that have made him a threat to the White House, Mr. Fitzgerald is following a pattern set by previous special prosecutors. Some allies of the White House complain privately that he has taken on some of the worst traits of his predecessors. Republicans criticized Lawrence E. Walsh for his handling of the Iran- Contra scandal in the Reagan administration, while Democrats attacked Kenneth W. Starr's performance in the Whitewater probe and Monica Lewinsky sex scandal under President Clinton. The two prosecutors operated under the independent counsel law, which both parties let die in 1999. Katy J. Harriger, a political scientist at Wake Forest University who has studied special prosecutors, said that Mr. Fitzgerald had some advantages over his predecessors. He has essentially all the powers of the attorney general to chase evidence, question witnesses and seek charges. Unlike Mr. Walsh and Mr. Starr, both former judges, Mr. Fitzgerald is a career prosecutor. And as a Bush administration appointee, he is less vulnerable to attack from the White House. "It will be much harder than it was with Starr to say this is a partisan prosecution," Ms. Harriger said. Some attorneys who admire Mr. Fitzgerald detect a hint of zealotry or inflexibility in his approach and wonder whether what works with terrorism translates to an inside-the- Beltway case involving White House officials and their multilayered relationships with journalists. In Mr. Fitzgerald's world, a former colleague recalled, it was pretty clear who had black hats and who had white hats, there was not a lot of gray. But Mr. Cohen, whose defense work on behalf of Hamas and other groups has provoked controversy, says he has always found Mr. Fitzgerald willing to listen, and to distinguish between militant rhetoric and genuine terrorist plotting. "If I need a straight answer from a federal prosecutor, I call Pat," Mr. Cohen said. Mr. Fitzgerald's moral grounding began at Our Lady Help of Christians school in his native Brooklyn. He attended Regis High School, a Jesuit institution in Manhattan for gifted students, all of whom attend on scholarship. At Amherst, where he majored in math and economics, he was an unassuming kid with a New York accent who was a stellar student, one others frequently turned to for help, recalled Walter Nicholson, an economics professor. At Amherst, he worked part time as a custodian; in the summers during college and law school, his father helped him find work as a doorman. After three years in private practice, he joined the United States attorney's office for the southern district of New York and quickly distinguished himself. "I've tried a lot of cases, and he's probably the toughest adversary I've ever seen," said Roger L. Stavis, a New York defense lawyer who faced Mr. Fitzgerald during the 1995 terrorism trial of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman. Mr. Stavis prided himself on knowing the web of Muslim extremists but was surprised when Mr. Fitzgerald asked a witness about Osama bin Laden, then an obscure figure. "I thought, 'I don't know who Osama bin Laden is, but he's in Pat Fitzgerald's crosshairs,' " Mr. Stavis said. In 2001, Mr. Fitzgerald led the team that convicted four men in the 1998 bombings of two American embassies in East Africa. During his time in New York, Mr. Fitzgerald's hapless bachelor ways became legendary. For months he did not bother to have the gas connected to the stove in his Brooklyn apartment. Once, in a fit of domesticity, he baked two pans of lasagna, recalled Amy E. Millard, a New York colleague. Distracted by work, he left them uneaten in the oven for three months before he discovered them, Ms. Millard said. When he tried to adopt a cat, she remembered, he was turned down because of his work habits and only later acquired a pet when a friend in Florida had to give up her cat and had it flown to him to New York. Some of the cases Mr. Fitzgerald handled after moving to Chicago in 2001 have expanded his experience into the sensitive and murky arena of political corruption. He indicted a former governor of Illinois, George Ryan, in a scandal involving the Illinois secretary of state's office, as well as two aides to Mayor Richard Daley on mail-fraud charges. But those cases bear little resemblance to the C.I.A. leak investigation, with its potential implications for national politics. Samuel W. Seymour, another former New York prosecutor and Karen's husband, said it is easy to politically "triangulate" most government lawyers, noting which were mentored by Democrats or promoted by Republicans. But not Mr. Fitzgerald. "Some people may feel he's independent to a fault, because his independence makes him unpredictable," Mr. Seymour said. "I think it makes him the perfect person for this job." ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 22 Oct 2005 16:00:03 -0700 Sparky the Wonder Dog wrote: > Ray, my comment on holy war was directed to Chris, not you.. Said comment, which was in a single paragraph post starting with "Ray," was at best unclear in that regard. > I don't > myself consider settlement in the disputed terrritories as necessarily > a "land grab." It depends on what land is being taken under what > circumstances. The land that I am referring to was "grabbed" not only after the '67 6-Day War, but even after the introduction of the "Road Map" - which explicitly freezes all settlement expansion (including the so-called 'natural growth' of settlements). > I disagree with you if you think the Israeli majority > primarily considers the West Bank as a free land issue. The Isreali majority supports a two-state solution - which as a practical matter means that most of the West Bank would be under Palestian control. Everyone knows that some West Bank settlements will remain - at issue is how much. > I spent a lot > of time as an IDF inductee in basic training doing push ups on the West > Bank and I didn't see any "belongs to" tags stapled to the earth. > Without getting into a dispute about Israeli policy--my suggestion is > that for a variety of reasons, religious, the conflicts history itself, > there is a non-fundamentalist majority for retaining "large settlement > blocks", including a belt around Jerusalem. And my suggestion is that you back up your 'suggestion' here with actual sources. Again a majority of Israelis support a two-state solution, which would, in practical terms, require a withdrawal from many if not most West Bank settlements. > Be aware, however, that > this article is incorrect in saying that the United States government > is doing nothing. Or that there is no brake in Israel. The 'nothing' quote is from Yossi Beilin - the author of the article made no such claim. (BTW the article I provided is from the Guardian - the same source as your article.) The Bush Administration has occasionally intervened to stop or slow some of Israel's more egregious land-grabbing, but more often than not the Bush Administration just pays lip-service to the Road Map and othewise does little beyond wrist-slapping as Israel continues their expansion into the West Bank. The fact of the matter is that Israel has been floating the Road Map by rapidly expanding settlements in the West Bank, and the U.S. -- whose financial support Israel needs to continue said settlement expansion -- in general continues to look the other way. And I don't know about you, but I don't want my tax dollars to go to Israel's continued settlement expansion into the West Bank. My 'suggestion' is that if Israel really wants the West Bank that badly then they can go it alone - the U.S. should stop bankrolling the venture stay out of it altogether. Ray ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:54 -0500 scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: > I had to take a drug test, not for work, but for life insurance. I told > my agent (who is a Deadhead) that I thought I'd fail because I had just > recently seen a show and I smoked. He said not to worry. The insurance > lab technician then came to my job, gave me a specimen container and > asked for a sample. I totted off to the ladies room while she stayed at > the security desk. Passed with flying colors. When they called with the > results, I asked what they were looking for and they said cocaine or > any of the hard stuff. Minimum levels of pot was not a problem to them. > > Theresa > It's good that you were treated in such reasonable fashion. But not all employers see it that way. An example of what happened where I work will illustrate it perfectly. One of the techs took a company car to do some work. He had the rather poor judgment to smoke a joint along the way and leave the roach in the ashtray. Another employee, who by the way is a union steward, took the car out afterwards, spotted the roach and turned the first guy in. Result? The first guy had to enter treatment and submit to random drug testing for one or two (can't remember which) years afterwards. I asked the guy who turned him in why he didn't just toss the roach out the window. Response? "I don't touch that shit, I ain't gonna' touch it!". Great union steward and employer, huh? Collectively speaking, employers nowadays do expect to own you, and don't much care if you are good at your work or not. You march to their beat or you don't march with them. Naturally, a different standard is applied to the higher ups in the company, because they have "so much stress". Welcome to the U.S.A., twenty first century style. Tom (feeling a little testy today) ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:08:06 -0400 Joe Covino wrote: > I caught them the previous two years - Mansfield, MA & Hartford, CT - > and I was hoping to see them again. Thanks. It's the republicans fault. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:08:18 -0700 "Tom Beck" wrote in message news:435AC60E.9010807@pclink.com... > scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: >> I had to take a drug test, not for work, but for life insurance. I told >> my agent (who is a Deadhead) that I thought I'd fail because I had just >> recently seen a show and I smoked. He said not to worry. The insurance >> lab technician then came to my job, gave me a specimen container and >> asked for a sample. I totted off to the ladies room while she stayed at >> the security desk. Passed with flying colors. When they called with the >> results, I asked what they were looking for and they said cocaine or >> any of the hard stuff. Minimum levels of pot was not a problem to them. >> >> Theresa >> > > > > It's good that you were treated in such reasonable fashion. > But not all employers see it that way. An example of what > happened where I work will illustrate it perfectly. One of > the techs took a company car to do some work. He had the > rather poor judgment to smoke a joint along the way and leave > the roach in the ashtray. Another employee, who by the way > is a union steward, took the car out afterwards, spotted the > roach and turned the first guy in. Result? The first guy > had to enter treatment and submit to random drug testing for > one or two (can't remember which) years afterwards. I asked > the guy who turned him in why he didn't just toss the roach out > the window. Response? "I don't touch that shit, I ain't gonna' > touch it!". Great union steward and employer, huh? Collectively > speaking, employers nowadays do expect to own you, and don't > much care if you are good at your work or not. You march to > their beat or you don't march with them. Naturally, a different > standard is applied to the higher ups in the company, because > they have "so much stress". Welcome to the U.S.A., twenty first > century style. I might as well make the inevitable post. Honestly I don't think this post really belongs in this thread. Because the thread has been mostly about what people do on their own time. You have posted about someone who is so miserably dumb that they 1) got high while on the job, 2) got high while driving on the job, 3) left evidence of their stupidity. Sorry to be unsympathetic, but I tend to think the guy was lucky not to get sent down the road. I don't think it is an employer's business what their employees do on their own time. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect employees not to get high during the hours that they are getting paid. Particularly when operating company owned vehicles. R. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: Webhosting advice? Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:10:30 -0400 Rupert wrote: > Hey now! > > I'm ready to start getting my website back online again, so that I can > put all of my cover art back up, and I'm wondering if anyone has any > suggestions for a good company to use. http://www.hostsave.com/index.htm http://www.domaindirect.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? From: Uncle John Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:13:10 -0500 "Joe Covino" wrote in news:Rpy6f.8437$vk1.6320@dukeread04: > I caught them the previous two years - Mansfield, MA & Hartford, CT - > and I was hoping to see them again. Thanks. > > They hate each other again. Actually, just Bobby and Phil hate each other. And Bobby had to help Mickey move to affordable housing since they're not playing. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 22 Oct 2005 16:26:44 -0700 Really, what kind of threat am I when I sit at a corporate PC and write development methodology process.......all........day.........(yawn).......long. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: ANyone now why The Dead didn't tour last Spring or Summer? Date: 22 Oct 2005 16:31:28 -0700 No, Clinton's. ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. Date: 22 Oct 2005 23:41:12 GMT Rupert wrote: > Man, all I know is that we got Rob back on keys (which means finally > some decent vocals), Barry "Sless Is More" on da geetar, and Joanie's > big 'ol ghetto booty! Who could ask for more? Well, David Nelson, for one. It seems like his band is missing in action. 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