From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #635 Dead-Flames Digest #635, Volume #48 Fri, 21 Oct 05 15:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? (polasus@my-deja.com) Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. (DB) Re: I feel weirded out this morning. (Spider Dawg) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) Re: The Best Hangover Movie ("RickNBarbInSD") Blues for Shirley Horn ("Dave Kelly") Re: Ol' Max gets after Pat Robertson ("grtflmark") Re: Ryan Adams done? (leftie) Re: Open Apology to the RMGD Women ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("pbleers@hotmail.com") Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. (leftie) Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("grtflmark") Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("grtflmark") Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("grtflmark") Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. ("Dave Kelly") Riot on Sunset Strip alert! (Ben) Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? (ba ba booie) Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? (The Lord of Eltingville) Greg S. How was... (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: An Announcement from Phil Lesh & Friends (ba ba booie) Porky RIP (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. ("Dave Kelly") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:06:16 -0700 Stuknot wrote: > My earliest recollection is doing the tennis racquet/mop thing when I > was three or four and the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan. ME TO!!!!!! I swear! THAT is my earliest recollection. I was the youngest in my family an' I'll be 44 in less than a month. I remember the excitment in the house among all my older brothers and my sister. The air was electric cause the Beatles were gonna play Ed Sullivan, and we were all glued around the box when they hit the air!! I always say that for better or worse, to me the two big historical events I was on this earth for were the first moon landing and the phenomenon generally known as "The Beatles". Ever since, I > can't really hear them objectively, they kind of exist on some sort of > mythical level for me. Yup. Like some kind of Rock and Roll demi-gods. Having said that though I always go back and actually listen objectively to the recordings and to me the music always holds up. When push comes to shove they were indeed an ass-kicking rock and roll band! There are songs though where you can't help but > notice something really new is going on, the bass on "She's A Woman" > for example. > > I bought Wingspan (two disc overview of post-Beatles Paul) a few months > ago and was surprised at how much of it I like. "Junk," "Maybe I'm > Amazed," "Too Many People," "Band On The Run," "Let Me Roll It" etc. > Of course, there's also a bunch of watery pop on there too. > > John H. Absolument!!! Rick ------------------------------ From: polasus@my-deja.com Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:08:36 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > It's not a rating, it's a classification that was originally based on > the film's budget. Actually, it comes from the long-ago days of the double feature. When you went to a movie theater back then, you got TWO movies for the price of one admission, plus a 3 Stooges or some other short subject and maybe a cartoon. Try that today. Anyway, there was the big, top-of-the marquee movie everyone was coming to see and the second, lesser, film was the B-movie. Ronald Reagan appeared in a lot of B-movies. ------------------------------ From: DB Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:06:03 -0400 Dave Kelly wrote: > Joan Osbore AND John Mayer! > I'll alert my 15 year old niece! > Brother Phil REALLY dropped the ball on this one! > A special midnite set w/ John Mayer! > I think the freak out tent people better be full staffed. > Unfrigginbelievable! > > All kidding aside, go back and listen to last year's Jammy Awards which Phil hosted. John Mayer was surprisingly good. DB ------------------------------ From: Spider Dawg Subject: Re: I feel weirded out this morning. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:11:34 -0500 Booie, it's time to start calling your customers yourself, which is what somebody should already be doing if you're trying to save your business. Good luck, Jim ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:16:34 -0700 On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:00:04 -0700, Steve Lenier wrote: > >I took one awhile back...they had me empty my pockets into a drawer which I >locked and took the key, no pat down or anything beyond that...then into a >small bathroom (alone) in which all the water was turned off so you couldn't >do the dehydrated thing, and you couldn't flush the toilet either...and the >sample container had a thermometer on it, and the urine had to fit within a >certain heat range or they figured you had brought it in...I chatted with >the guy out of interest for a couple minutes, he said people try a lot of >things but that not much works and they usually catch them. Ah - more good information. Incidentally, you want to mix it up and get the temperature just right before you go in - obviously pockets are no good if they do stuff like that - must tape it somewhere unless I start wearing a bra soon - the girl who recommended this puts hers there. When people in positions like that tell me "not much works", I'm usually pretty skeptical. For example, I just talked to Verizon about protecting my phone now that I have a bluetooth-enabled device. Their response is it's 100% secure - there's no way for anyone to hack it. I want to be sure - I was talking to a network security expert the other day and he was the one who actually warned me of such attacks. ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:18:44 -0700 On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:59:10 -0400, Brad Greer wrote: >>I remember a guy we interviewed who when asked about his 12 year gap in >>employment history declared he was in San Quentin serving time for vehicular >>manslaughter. He ran a red light and killed a teenage pedestrian. He was >>applying for a *driving* job. > >12 years is tough to explain. I'm sure the guy got an A for honesty >at least. No doubt - I'm not sure if I would hire him, but I might - I'd be willing to bet he stops at red lights now. ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: The Best Hangover Movie Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:19:38 -0700 imsjry wrote: > pbleers@hotmail.com wrote: > > ""Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"" > > > > Jesus Christ, I hated that flick so fucking much. I'd rather have my > > toe nails pulled out that watch it again. > > Wow! > > IMO, by far the best film of 2004 or most years. I haven't heard a > single person that has seen it not rave about it. Well, I guess I have > now. What didn't you like about this film. I found it visually > stunning, romantic, funny, sad, touching, and amazingly original. Great > script, acting, and directing. Also, Winslet was robbed of the Oscar > for that role. > > To each his own I guess.. HRYK Rick ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Blues for Shirley Horn Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:23:33 GMT http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001349816 ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: Ol' Max gets after Pat Robertson Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:24:35 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > Interesting little article on Hurricane relief and Patty Rob: > ---------- > > Pat Robertson's Katrina Cash > Max Blumenthal > > > Every cloud has a silver lining. Hurricane Katrina has devastated > New Orleans, leaving > thousands dead and hundreds of thousands homeless, and plunging the > entire city into chaos. In the > hurricane's wake, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and its > director, Michael Brown, > forced out of his former job at the International Arabian Horse > Association, with no credentials > in disaster relief, have become targets of withering criticism. Yet > FEMA's relief efforts have > brought considerable assistance to at least one man who stands to > benefit from Hurricane Katrina > perhaps more than any other individual: Pat Robertson. > I wouldn't expect anything less of you and Blumethal - the Christian Hate-Monger, than something as stupid as this - and shooting at the hand of the healer. I have friends in New Orleans - and I guess you don't and, like Max are either completely ignorant of what is and has been going on down therr or don't really give a fuck if it gets in the way of shootng Christians. Turns out one of the worst things that happened down there is how Red Cross handled things. They deprived refugees of clothes and other items sent to them to provide refugees and either sold them for straight-up cash or to a Goodwill Store that was making money on the dollar charging the refugees for things they got donated to them. Red Cross and "Goodwill" weren't the only organizations engaging in this kind of stupidity and avarice. Many of the State agencies were doing the same kind of crap. Funny thing - the organizations that have been the most helpful and productive in their activity to provide relief to these folks according to local press and people I know down there are two "faith-based" orgnaizations: The Salvation Army, and Operation Blessing (see article) Catholic Charities has also been effective. SO - here is the bigoted, Jew Christian-hater, Max Blumenthal - pissing all over the very organizations that are doing the most good there. Typical. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Ryan Adams done? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:25:46 -0700 Well I gotta admit, I filed this one under "unfounded ugly rumors" as soon as I saw it. Oh well, wrong again. :-) But actually, I love Joan O., so bring it on sez me. :-) ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Open Apology to the RMGD Women Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:25:51 -0700 the wharf rat wrote: > In article <3rsvefFl8gq1U1@individual.net>, Joe wrote: > > > >And, to those who are cold-hearted, well, fuck 'em, because it's better to > >have loved and lost than to never have loved at all. > > > > If I'd never loved I never would have cried. The deeper that sorrow carves into your being the more joy you can contain. Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven? ~Kahlil Gibran~ Rick ------------------------------ From: "pbleers@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:26:26 -0700 >.any flick with Harry Dean Stanton in it, its >almost assuredly a B flick. He's great. Was Alien a B flick? >>>>> I dunno. B is like porn. Its hard to define but you know it when you see it. Was Stanton in Alien? Havent seen that one in a dogs age. By the way, I just saw Hells Angels on Wheels with Nicholson. I bought it at Jewels for 5 bucks. The party/orgy seen is worth the price of admission. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:27:58 -0700 Dave Kelly wrote: > Joan Osbore AND John Mayer! > I'll alert my 15 year old niece! > Brother Phil REALLY dropped the ball on this one! > A special midnite set w/ John Mayer! > I think the freak out tent people better be full staffed. > Unfrigginbelievable! Weren't you just giving people shit about being old the other day? Oh the irony. You sound more curmudgeonly than any of, 'em Sweet Ancient One. ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:37:38 -0700 >So, how should America IDEALLY treat these kinds of combatants--people >who decide to take up armed action against Americans or American >facilities but who don't belong to national armies? Your question is self-contradictory: people who take up arms against the US or any other country and don't belong to national armies are, by the definition in the Geneva convention, NOT "enemy combatants" (see definition below). They are terrorists. The Geneva Conventions, by law and definition, ONLY apply to combatants from countries whose leaders have signed the Convention and meet the definition of "combatants" delineated below. The Gevena Conventions, therefore DO NOT apply to the people you describe. They fit into the category of "terrorists" Now that I have correct you use of words and removed the barking moobat, politcally biased shrillness from them, here is my suggestion for what to do with them: Soak their asses in pork fat and burn the piss out them - preferably while they're still breathing - and let their horror-filled screams of indescribable pain ease your soul! http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:VTRDc9fePakJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant+%22enemy+combatants%22%2Bgeneva%2Bconvention&hl=en A combatant (also referred to as an enemy combatant) is a soldier or guerrilla member who is waging war. Under the Third Geneva Convention (GCIII), persons waging war must have the following characteristics to be protected by the laws of war: Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict or members of militias not under the command of the armed forces that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; that of carrying arms openly; that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. or are members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power. or inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war. ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:37:45 -0700 >So, how should America IDEALLY treat these kinds of combatants--people >who decide to take up armed action against Americans or American >facilities but who don't belong to national armies? Your question is self-contradictory: people who take up arms against the US or any other country and don't belong to national armies are, by the definition in the Geneva convention, NOT "enemy combatants" (see definition below). They are terrorists. The Geneva Conventions, by law and definition, ONLY apply to combatants from countries whose leaders have signed the Convention and meet the definition of "combatants" delineated below. The Gevena Conventions, therefore DO NOT apply to the people you describe. They fit into the category of "terrorists" Now that I have corrected you use of words and removed the barking moobat, politcally biased shrillness from them, here is my suggestion for what to do with them: Soak their asses in pork fat and burn the piss out them - preferably while they're still breathing - and let their horror-filled screams of indescribable pain ease your soul! http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:VTRDc9fePakJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant+%22enemy+combatants%22%2Bgeneva%2Bconvention&hl=en A combatant (also referred to as an enemy combatant) is a soldier or guerrilla member who is waging war. Under the Third Geneva Convention (GCIII), persons waging war must have the following characteristics to be protected by the laws of war: Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict or members of militias not under the command of the armed forces that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; that of carrying arms openly; that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. or are members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power. or inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war. ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:37:48 -0700 >So, how should America IDEALLY treat these kinds of combatants--people >who decide to take up armed action against Americans or American >facilities but who don't belong to national armies? Your question is self-contradictory: people who take up arms against the US or any other country and don't belong to national armies are, by the definition in the Geneva convention, NOT "enemy combatants" (see definition below). They are terrorists. The Geneva Conventions, by law and definition, ONLY apply to combatants from countries whose leaders have signed the Convention and meet the definition of "combatants" delineated below. The Gevena Conventions, therefore DO NOT apply to the people you describe. They fit into the category of "terrorists" Now that I have corrected you use of words and removed the barking moobat, politcally biased shrillness from them, here is my suggestion for what to do with them: Soak their asses in pork fat and burn the piss out them - preferably while they're still breathing - and let their horror-filled screams of indescribable pain ease your soul! http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:VTRDc9fePakJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant+%22enemy+combatants%22%2Bgeneva%2Bconvention&hl=en A combatant (also referred to as an enemy combatant) is a soldier or guerrilla member who is waging war. Under the Third Geneva Convention (GCIII), persons waging war must have the following characteristics to be protected by the laws of war: Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict or members of militias not under the command of the armed forces that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; that of carrying arms openly; that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. or are members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power. or inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:42:17 GMT "leftie" wrote in message news:djbmgu$1hu0$2@agate.berkeley.edu... > Weren't you just giving people shit about being old the other day? * Left Nut...I think we just have different senses of humour. Why soo uptight? > Oh the irony. * Indeed. > You sound more curmudgeonly than any of, 'em Sweet Ancient One. * Damn baby, you're like my own personal secretary...why soo interested in what I scribble on this chat group? You're in berkeley, no?....lets get some beers some time. most folks are a lot calmer in person, I've come to find. BTW...whats your name? ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Riot on Sunset Strip alert! Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:43:10 -0700 It comes on in 20 minutes on Flix if your cable carries that channel. 3 PM PST ------------------------------ From: Jazare@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:36:41 -0400 Wouldn't you call early Star Trek "B" film? Totally fake looking scenery. Even Lost in Space looked like a "B" film to me. Yet they made it. Those were TV shows, not films I guess. .. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (the concert hotwire) http://pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:46:33 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message > news:1129921253.104972.111300@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > > J'ever catch "Riot on the Sunset Strip"?? > > The Chocolate Watchband! > > EGBH Check it: http://www.roir-usa.com/8272.htm Rick ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:46:44 -0700 >BTW...whats your name? You misspelled "what are you wearing about now?" ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:28:46 -0400 polasus@my-deja.com wrote: > > The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > > It's not a rating, it's a classification that was originally based on > > the film's budget. > > Actually, it comes from the long-ago days of the double feature. When > you went to a movie theater back then, you got TWO movies for the price > of one admission, plus a 3 Stooges or some other short subject and > maybe a cartoon. Try that today. > > Anyway, there was the big, top-of-the marquee movie everyone was coming > to see and the second, lesser, film was the B-movie. Ronald Reagan > appeared in a lot of B-movies. Yes...and those movies were generally given a much smaller budget than the feature. I suppose it's a case of which came first, the three headed chicken, or the egg... ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Greg S. How was... Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:52:33 -0700 the moe./Mule show in Tahoe last night? I am so stoked for tonight and tomorrow night at the Warfield. Krutchless Kelly told me he can get me backstage to meet the band. Something about how he got a gig doing a "plaster cast" for Warren Haynes. Damn, I knew this kid was a scene-maker and all, but I didn't realize how close he was with Warren. I am told that Algebra tried out for the bass slot when Alan Woody passed. Almost got the job. But, doing plaster work still got them hooked up! It's good to have a skill! Larry ------------------------------ From: Jazare@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: An Announcement from Phil Lesh & Friends Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:43:17 -0400 An Announcement from Phil Lesh & Friends katrinka wrote: " with rings on our fingers and bells on our shoes, we are delighted to welcome Joan Osborne to PLF. You must ask me for my email address. (The=A0Iron=A0Muffin) wrote: Yow! bbb wrote: Are you saying that in a good Yow or a bad Yow sort of way? .. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (the concert hotwire) http://pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Porky RIP Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:31:42 -0400 'Little Rascals' Actor Gordon Lee Dies 1 hour, 22 minutes ago MINNEAPOLIS - Gordon Lee, the chubby child actor who played Spanky McFarland's little brother Porky in the "Little Rascals" comedies, has died. He was 71. Lee died Sunday in a Minneapolis nursing home after battling lung and brain cancer, said Janice McClain, his partner of 13 years. Lee played one of the younger members in the "Our Gang" shorts in the 1930s, appearing in more than 40 of them from 1935 to 1939. The comedies, produced by Hal Roach, became known as "The Little Rascals" when shown on TV in the 1950s. Among the films Lee appeared in were "Bored of Education," which won the Oscar for best one-reel short subject in 1937; "Our Gang Follies of 1936"; "The Awful Tooth"; and "Roamin' Holiday." In a 1998 interview with the Star Tribune of Minneapolis, the Texas-born Lee said he was 2 years old when his mother sent his picture to studio executives who were seeking an actor to play McFarland's brother. "We were on the next train to L.A. and I had a contract within a few days," Lee said. "Fat kid got lucky." "My memories are not about making movies. We played with our toys and the adults played with theirs (the cameras)," he said. He and Billie "Buckwheat" Thomas teamed up against older boys Spanky and Alfalfa in many of the comedies. The Porky character is credited with originating the catchphrase "otay." In the interview, Lee recalled a warm friendship with his black costar when they were kids and praised their interracial relationship on screen, saying, "Buckwheat played an absolute equal part in the Gang." Lee told friends his career ended when a growth spurt made him thinner. "They wanted Porky to be a chunky fellow, so they looked for someone else," McClain said. He was born Eugene Lee in Fort Worth, Texas, in 1933. His adoptive parents began calling him Gordon after Gordon Douglas, who directed many of the films Lee appeared in. He kept the first name as an adult. Lee was a schoolteacher, living in Colorado for a time. He moved to Minnesota after he retired to be closer to his only son, Douglas, said a friend, Tracy Tolzmann. In recent years, Lee sold autographed photos of himself as Porky, Tolzmann and McClain said. "Before that he felt like he was forgotten," McClain said. "It really made him feel good about himself." ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. Date: 21 Oct 2005 14:55:08 -0700 Dave Kelly wrote: > ...whats your name? Pigpen said it was alright. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: GDTSTOO - New Year's with Phil Lesh and Friends. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:57:33 GMT wrote in message news:1129931204.693654.310340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > >BTW...whats your name? > > You misspelled "what are you wearing about now?" * Hey!....you gonna wash that Kimock shirt b4 the moe. gig tonite, old man? ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .