From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #633 Dead-Flames Digest #633, Volume #48 Fri, 21 Oct 05 13:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: I feel weirded out this morning. ("Bradish") Re: FEMA E-Mails ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("pbleers@hotmail.com") Re: I feel weirded out this morning. (JC Martin) Re: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition (JC Martin) Re: Vegas '95 (JC Martin) Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("RickNBarbInSD") An Announcement from Phil Lesh & Friends ("katrinka") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("Ray") Re: So who should open for Phil on NYE? ("katrinka") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: So who should open for Phil on NYE? ("Greg Sasso") Re: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition (NDC) ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition (JC Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradish" Subject: Re: I feel weirded out this morning. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:34:12 GMT "corky" wrote in message news:%n86f.5640$7h7.3876@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > Send lawyers, guns and money > The shit has hit the fan > No. Leave the lawyers, take the guns and money.... ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: FEMA E-Mails Date: 21 Oct 2005 11:51:53 -0700 kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > Am I a person of no colour? > Kurt Yes! We are utterly transparent. Kind of like some sort of jellyfish! http://www.kodakgallery.com/PhotoView.jsp?&collid=82529508306.11283957906.1129920684887&photoid=674706493106&view=1&page=1&sort_order=0&albumsperpage=12&navfolderid=2005 Rick ------------------------------ From: "pbleers@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 21 Oct 2005 11:52:28 -0700 ""In my personal top ten movies of all time: Dirty Mary Crazy Larry."" I saw the coming attractions for this at the movies when I was a kid. I never forgot it-it looked so damn cool. Didnt know that was Peter Fonda. Here's a B movie hint.....any flick with Harry Dean Stanton in it, its almost assuredly a B flick. Him and Clint Howard both are benchmarks for Bs. "Ticks" has a classic Clint Howard freak out that is hilarious. I'm into the psychotronic/monster/biker B movies......Wild Angels, Attack of the Mushroom People, The Manster, anything associated with Roger Corman, Russ Myers or some guy named Zarkoff (I think) is gonna get my attention. Yeah, its complete trash and most likely rotting my mind but so what, its fun. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: I feel weirded out this morning. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:56:27 GMT Sparky the Wonder Dog wrote: > JC; Sometimes lawyers can avoid a lot of trial and error and wasted > effort. Sure, the first thing you do is try to get a preliminary call > into a lawyer to see if there's anything the lawyer can practically do > and try not to pay for that call. Agreed. On a civil matter of this magnitude you don't really need a lawyer other than for the letter, unless the other party decides to pull out the big guns. But there are other avenues as well worth researching. Generally, the threat of a lawsuit or calling out code enforcement to check on other matters puts some sense into the defendant. Not always. But I've been lucky. Maybe it's because I'm not interested in frivolous matters. But IMO, assholes deserve to be treated as they are, lest they continue taking advantage of people, which they will. BTW, I'm no big fan of lawyers per se, but the redundant remarks regarding the profession doesn't change the fact that they are necessary evils for particular needs, many if not most of them in fact not frivolous in this cut-throat world we live in. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:58:41 GMT Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > "Rupert" wrote in message > news:1129904791.357896.257980@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >>If Mickey D's has no accountability, then perhaps we can make them stop >>marketing their product to children ie: putting toys in the fucking >>meal! >> >>After having seen "Supersize Me" I think that anything that bad for you >>should be regulated just like booze and cigarettes. > > > > Yeah, instead of shifting societal gears in the direction of more freedom, > towards legalizing marijuana, we should make more things illegal, regulate > more things, and give the Bush / Swarzenegger regimes more power than they > have now to tell us all how to live our lives. > > Next to go after fast food: veggie burritos (unknown ingredients), grilled > cheeses ( too much fat & grease), and of course beer. Anyone who has a > hangover should be able to sue Sierra Nevada Brewery and drive them out of > business for selling their dangerous product to an ignorant and > Stepford-like public. Loud music causes hearing loss, so live music > obviously should be banned; or maybe Arnold and George can write decibel > regs so Phil can't be heard in the back row, Good way of spelling out the absurdity of such laws. > This law is long overdue. If someone wants to kill themselves with Big Macs > that's their problem. Just like cigarettes, everyone knows fast food is > gunk and if eaten in large amounts will harm you. There are far better > choices in food. > > That's the key: choices. Or do we plead for Arnold & George to supply > government approved shopping lists since we're too dumb to decide anything > for ourselves? > > It takes a smidgeon of personal responsibility and awareness to successfully > navigate living in a modern society. The fast food ingredients are already > avilable to anyone who cares to learn what they are eating. The publicity > around people getting obese from fast food is everywhere. Everyone knows. > > It absolutely amazes me that so-called hippies are so helpless, so stupid, > so unaware that they need Republican politicians to tell them what's safe > and what's not. ....or any politician for that matter. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Vegas '95 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:00:33 GMT Gladys wrote: > > > Jeff wrote: > >> >> So I went back to look at the setlists finally...wow...were they >> really the dogs the setlists look like? >> > > Yes. Vegas '95 were my last shows and it was the worst GD run I ever > saw. It was very dissapointing after the previous run I saw, in Salt > Lake City '95, which I thought was excellent. SRYK. -JC ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 21 Oct 2005 12:00:53 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > "ba ba booie" wrote in message > news:14095-4358DB2A-316@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net... > > > What is a good "B" rated movie? > > Any 60's or 70's Peter Fonda. > > In my personal top ten movies of all time: Dirty Mary Crazy Larry. Fonda > himself does almost all the driving in this barely scripted driving movie, > endangering the lives of everyone in the car, including an amazingly sexy > Susan George (who was 19 at the time). Only the most radical driving stunts > are done by stuntmen. Fonda breaks 100 on narrow country roads all over > northern California as George displays her tight little ass to the camera at > every opportunity. Much damage is caused as they race a maniacal Vic Morrow > to the Mexican border. > > The Trip (coupled with Jack Nicholson in Psych Out on the DVD), and the Wild > Angels are two other great ones to start with. > > The Trip has Fonda on LSD in Hollywood, freaking out in a very loosely > scripted trip. Wild Angels is a great biker flick featuring a smokin' Nancy > Sinatra. Psych Out has Nicholson joining an acid rock band in the Haight > Ashbury at the height of the neighborhood's greatness. Much group sex and > drug taking, filmed right there in SF, with the Seeds and the Strawberry > Alarm Clock making appearances. Truly must see flicks. > > EGBH J'ever catch "Riot on the Sunset Strip"?? Rick ------------------------------ From: "katrinka" Subject: An Announcement from Phil Lesh & Friends Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:04:55 -0400 An Announcement from Phil Lesh & Friends: It is with great excitement and anticipation that we prepare to make music once again with Phil Lesh & Friends. Our upcoming shows include Bimbo's in San Francisco on Thursday 10.27, as well as our eagerly-awaited gigs during the Vegoose Music Festival on 10.29 at Sam Boyd Stadium, and 10.30 at The Joint. We regretfully inform you that Ryan Adams will be unable to join us for these shows due to personal reasons. We will miss his presence and hope to make music with him again soon. However, with rings on our fingers and bells on our shoes, we are delighted to welcome Joan Osborne to PLF. Joan will be gracing us with her angelic voice at both Vegoose shows next week. Keep your ears open, as we have some other surprise special guests appearing as well. After Las Vegas we take a short breather and then head back into rehearsal. We welcome back old friends Chris Robinson and John Molo along with Jimmy Herring, Barry Sless and Mookie Siegel, for our month-long "Shadow of the Moon" Winter Tour. In addition, we are thrilled to announce our plans for 3 very special shows at the end of December and for New Year's Eve. Phil Lesh & Friends will team up with the John Mayer Trio for 3 magical nights of music, culminating with our first San Francisco New Year's Eve show in many years. Phil Lesh & Friends featuring Joan Osborne, Jimmy Herring, Barry Sless, Rob Barraco and Jeff Sipe along with the John Mayer Trio will be performing on December 29 at The Fillmore, December 30 at The Warfield Theater, and on December 31 at the Bill Graham Civic Center. We are planning a New Year's Eve show that would make Bill Graham proud including a special midnight set featuring Phil and John Mayer. Public on-sale for the San Francisco shows in December will commence on Sunday, November 6 at 10:00 AM. A special limited pre-sale will take place starting on Monday, October 24. Stay tuned for details. http://www.phillesh.net/ ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 21 Oct 2005 12:12:15 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > I'll give you this Ray>>You are a hardworking man!! It's actually not that much work - most of what I posted here is actually repostings from previous discussions I had here on these topics. For example, both instances that I've cited here demonstrating how the National Review routinely distorts the truth were from earlier rmgd postings wherein somebody else (Chunk) cited those NR articles in an effort to back up his positions. All I had to do was look at the actual original sources to demonstrate that the NR was grossly distorting the truth in both cases. Also, I'm a political junky. As such I read and listen to multiple news sources daily, and love to read political books, both current and historical. And after I'm aware of various points and issues, with google it's usually very easy to dig up these things. > Personally I think > you are splitting hairs on this National Review thing. To say NR is > biased is one thing,,,to say they systematically lie is another. True. And the National Review are BOTH biased AND they routinely grossly distort the truth. Whether they *consciously* routinely grossly distort the truth I won't speculate on - it may be that, or it may be that they are so blinded by their ideology that they don't even realize how distorted their coverage is. Or both. Whatever the case is, they routinely grossly distort the truth. And as such, they are not a reliable source for information. > You quote the Opinion Journal I quoted Robert Bork, who was published in the Opinion Journal. Where Bork's article was published, however, is irrelevant. It could have been published in the National Review for all I care - I still would've quoted him. > yet in the next breath disparge the WSJ > editoral page and NRO. Yes. And there is no inconsistency there. > Here is the philosophy of Opinion > Journal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.opinionjournal.com/about/philosophy.html > How is this different from the WSJ Editorial pages?? I doubt that the stated philospophy of the WSJ Editorial pages *is* different. But so what? That doesn't take away from the reality that WSJ Editorials are, generally speaking, both extremely biased to the right and often grossly misrepresent the truth. Again, this has no bearing on my opinion the WSJ's regular, non-editorial coverage - IMO that is generally first-rate, even if I don't share some of the biases therein. > So is William F. Buckley Jr. et al. a bunch of hacks, demagogues, > conspiracy theorists, or agit-props for the vast ring-wing conspiracy?? I wouldn't put Buckley in that category - I respect his opinions even though I disagree with him more often than not. But the current writers for the National Review? Many of them routinely grossly distort the truth - this much is clear. Again I couldn't say that would I know as to why - that is something that only those people would know. > I just want to know where you are coming from. > We can disagree and still be friends, right? But of course. Politics are far from everything, and with regards to politics I doubt anyone agrees with me 100% of the time in any event. Also, you are not needlessly and maliciously rude or hostile to others merely because they disagree with you. And from what I've read you don't intentionally try to obfiscate the truth. In my book these qualities are admirable, and an important indicator of someone's inner character - which with regards to friends is for me far more important than politics. peace, Ray ------------------------------ From: "katrinka" Subject: Re: So who should open for Phil on NYE? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:12:41 -0400 John Mayer Trio http://www.phillesh.net/ ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:14:10 -0700 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1129916451.166599.141230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > >> The Trip (coupled with Jack Nicholson in Psych Out on the DVD) >> The Trip has Fonda on LSD in Hollywood, freaking out in a very loosely >> scripted trip. Psych Out has Nicholson joining an acid rock band in the >> Haight >> Ashbury at the height of the neighborhood's greatness. Much group sex >> and >> drug taking, filmed right there in SF, with the Seeds and the Strawberry >> Alarm Clock making appearances. Truly must see flicks. >> >> EGBH > > > Jus' added it to my Netflix queue an' pushed it to the front on yer > recommendation. > > Thanks, > > Rick And I know I can count on you Rick to be in the "right frame of mind" for these flicks. Watching them straight with mom and dad doesn't cut it for these two. Lemme know what you thought. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:15:18 -0700 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1129916920.967728.41690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > ba ba booie wrote: >> What is a good "B" rated movie? > > > Strictly fer camp, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" is of course the ultimate. > Two others that have to be considered "B" flicks, but that actually > have some redeeming qualities are "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and > "Forbidden Planet". "Some" redeeming qualities???? These are A movies all the way, especially since we're in the sci-fi genre here. Forbidden Planet is Shakespeare for cryin' out loud. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: 21 Oct 2005 12:17:51 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > He's actually the most innovative bass player (outside of James Jamerson > maybe) of the 20th century. No argument from me! But he's produced plenty of lousy trite > crap music post-Wings. > -JC Absolutely! I misspoke (typed?) to site Wings exclusively. I should have just said post-Beatles I guess. "Silly love songs" and "Londn Town" are two things that immediately spring to mind that make me gag. Oh and let's not forget "Ebony and Ivory" and/or "The Girl is Mine". I could go on. Please don't make me!! ;D However, he is still "Paul", and he deserves every accolade he's ever been handed IMHO. Rick ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:20:29 -0700 wrote in message news:1129920748.552085.290640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > ""In my personal top ten movies of all time: Dirty Mary Crazy Larry."" > > I saw the coming attractions for this at the movies when I was a kid. I > never forgot it-it looked so damn cool. Didnt know that was Peter > Fonda. > > Here's a B movie hint.....any flick with Harry Dean Stanton in it, its > almost assuredly a B flick. Him and Clint Howard both are benchmarks > for Bs. "Ticks" has a classic Clint Howard freak out that is hilarious. > > I'm into the psychotronic/monster/biker B movies......Wild Angels, > Attack of the Mushroom People, The Manster, anything associated with > Roger Corman, Russ Myers or some guy named Zarkoff (I think) is gonna > get my attention. Samuel Z. Arkoff. His greatest film IMO was Wild in the Streets, a must see for any fan of millionaire teenage revolutionaries who kill anyone over 30 and take over the world films. Shelly Winters is awesome in this one, and even Hal Holbrook shows up to get disrespected violently. His filmography (and what a list it is): http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0035098/ EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:21:59 -0700 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1129921253.104972.111300@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > J'ever catch "Riot on the Sunset Strip"?? The Chocolate Watchband! EGBH ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: 21 Oct 2005 12:24:05 -0700 frndthdevl wrote: > RickNBarbInSD wrote: > > >plays rock and roll bass very well. > > Although it has sometimes seemed obscured by the aforementioned crap, > > he really is a legend for good reason IMHO. > > > > > > Rick > > Gee thanks Rick, ; ) for making me trudge over to get Abbey Road out. > Still can remember that day waiting for the newest Beatles album to > show up at the local drugstore. Everytime I listen to this I wonder > was there a finer crafted album in the period? Can't recall much more > excitement for any other release in my youth, well except for that > Steal Your Face. LOL guess you had to be marooned in Vail Valley at > 8650' with no boots to understand. > peace > jeff > > > "she could steal > but she could not rob" > > L/M Yeah. Y'know it's one o' those things where you've heard it so much and so often both in terms of the praise and the actual material that it can start to lose meaning, but when I listen to the Beatles (same could be said for much of Paul's post-Beatle stuff too) like it's the first time I appreciate all over again just how fucking phenonenal they really were on SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many different levels. Those boys wuz jus' plain good!!! Don't noboby fuck wit m'Beatles! ;D MMMmmmmmmmmm MMmm.. I LOVES me some Beatles!!!!! ;D Rick ------------------------------ From: "Greg Sasso" Subject: Re: So who should open for Phil on NYE? Date: 21 Oct 2005 12:26:19 -0700 bigchuck51@aol.com wrote: > The band that opened for Phil at Mardi Gras, I have brain lock and > cannot remember their name (musta been the wine at the bebefit dinner, > yeah thats it) Humphrey or Umphrey something I think. Crap, damn > oldness creepin' up agin. later- Umphrey's is playing their own NYE show in Chicago at the Aragon. ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition (NDC) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:27:44 -0700 "JC Martin" wrote in message news:BTa6f.317$te3.5024@typhoon.sonic.net... > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >> "Rupert" wrote in message >> news:1129904791.357896.257980@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >>>If Mickey D's has no accountability, then perhaps we can make them stop >>>marketing their product to children ie: putting toys in the fucking >>>meal! >>> >>>After having seen "Supersize Me" I think that anything that bad for you >>>should be regulated just like booze and cigarettes. >> >> >> >> Yeah, instead of shifting societal gears in the direction of more >> freedom, towards legalizing marijuana, we should make more things >> illegal, regulate more things, and give the Bush / Swarzenegger regimes >> more power than they have now to tell us all how to live our lives. >> >> Next to go after fast food: veggie burritos (unknown ingredients), >> grilled cheeses ( too much fat & grease), and of course beer. Anyone who >> has a hangover should be able to sue Sierra Nevada Brewery and drive them >> out of business for selling their dangerous product to an ignorant and >> Stepford-like public. Loud music causes hearing loss, so live music >> obviously should be banned; or maybe Arnold and George can write decibel >> regs so Phil can't be heard in the back row, > > > Good way of spelling out the absurdity of such laws. > > >> This law is long overdue. If someone wants to kill themselves with Big >> Macs that's their problem. Just like cigarettes, everyone knows fast >> food is gunk and if eaten in large amounts will harm you. There are far >> better choices in food. >> >> That's the key: choices. Or do we plead for Arnold & George to supply >> government approved shopping lists since we're too dumb to decide >> anything for ourselves? >> >> It takes a smidgeon of personal responsibility and awareness to >> successfully navigate living in a modern society. The fast food >> ingredients are already avilable to anyone who cares to learn what they >> are eating. The publicity around people getting obese from fast food is >> everywhere. Everyone knows. >> It absolutely amazes me that so-called hippies are so helpless, so >> stupid, so unaware that they need Republican politicians to tell them >> what's safe and what's not. > ...or any politician for that matter. True. But the irony of folks who rail endlessly about the corrupt, evil, murderous republican regimes demanding they be given MORE power; power to decide what you EAT for crissakes, sort of took over my post. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 21 Oct 2005 12:35:43 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message > > Two others that have to be considered "B" flicks, but that actually > > have some redeeming qualities are "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and > > "Forbidden Planet". > > "Some" redeeming qualities???? > > These are A movies all the way, especially since we're in the sci-fi genre > here. > > Forbidden Planet is Shakespeare for cryin' out loud. > > EGBH Oh I'm with ya!! "The Day the Earth Stood Still" AND "Forbidden Planet" are BOTH classics!!! But as was established in a previous post, the designation "B film" is a reference to budget, and I may be mistaken about this but I'd be surprised if either was high budget for it's day. Even though I believe the special effects in "Forbidden Planet" were state of the art for that period. Rick ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:36:00 -0700 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1129922645.211180.146970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Yeah. Y'know it's one o' those things where you've heard it so much > and so often both in terms of the praise and the actual material that > it can start to lose meaning, but when I listen to the Beatles (same > could be said for much of Paul's post-Beatle stuff too) like it's the > first time I appreciate all over again just how fucking phenonenal they > really were on SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many different levels. Those boys wuz > jus' plain good!!! > > Don't noboby fuck wit m'Beatles! ;D > > MMMmmmmmmmmm MMmm.. I LOVES me some Beatles!!!!! ;D In the horribly brief backstage and interview segments of Concert for George, both Lynne and Clapton admitted to obtaining a new understanding of the complexities and unusual nature of the songs George wrote while trying to learn them for the show. Weird time signatures and bizarre chords (augmented and dimisnished??) for mid 60's pop songs, that's for sure. How he wrote melodies with almost no concern for where the words landed. If I Needed Someone and I Want to Tell You are two examples of early George pop weirdness. Lynne says George was writing Indian music before he ever even heard it, much less knew that he was doing it. Explains how how come he liked it so much after he was exposed. There's another guy I couldn't stand, that Jeff Lynne and that HORRIBLE Electric Light Orchestra. I enjoyed him on the Wilburys stuff because he sings great harmonies. But he too shone (shined?) in this concert. I love his voice now. If only he could write a decent song........ EGBH ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:39:02 GMT Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > But the irony of folks who rail endlessly about the corrupt, evil, murderous > republican regimes demanding they be given MORE power; power to decide what > you EAT for crissakes, sort of took over my post. What I liked about your post is that you did an excellent of showing the absurdity, inconsistencies and hypocrisies of the "thought police" crowd. You have many of these folks on both the right and the left. Yes, alcohol is regulated only in the sense that one doesn't drive under the influence or is under the legal age limit (debatable). Fairly reasonable in that those two regulations actually address not merely the lives of the alcohol user, but the lives and freedoms of those who have to drive on the road with these people. Food is a choice. It affects no one but the person eating it. McDonalds (which I never eat) isn't unhealthy because the food is any worse than Mexican food (which I do eat a lot). It's unhealthy because we have a nation of people who overeat. Education on that point is valid. Forcing people to not eat certain foods however is ludicrous. If I die of a heart attack, can my wife then sue the local Taqueria? Shit! Where do you draw the line on that one? Only corporate take-outs can be sued? 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