From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #632 Dead-Flames Digest #632, Volume #48 Fri, 21 Oct 05 12:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: FEMA E-Mails ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) (JC Martin) Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) ("frndthdevl") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("Carlisle") Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) (JC Martin) Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) ("The Iron Muffin") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? (Jeff) Re: Any words to say about The Simpsons moving to the Arab world? ("Infundibulum") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("augustwestern") Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? ("Sean G.") Re: I feel weirded out this morning. ("Bradish") Re: FEMA E-Mails ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? ("pbleers@hotmail.com") Re: I feel weirded out this morning. (JC Martin) Re: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition (JC Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: FEMA E-Mails Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:43:55 -0700 wrote in message news:1129916068.306538.166220@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > I know several India Indians who would positively not want themselves > grouped under a "people of colour" cause. I think you missed my point. > If blacks continually railed (legitimately) against crimes against > blacks, > it would get whiny and rejected as such. Hence, the leadership has > adopted > this term to try to further legitimize their agenda by asserting > all-non- > whites get screwed. BTW, I am not saying they do or don't. I am simply > looking at the usage of the term. The term is stupid and divisive. It is way overused, as if having more pigment than me makes someone special. But what harm does it cause? It may irritate white folk like me and you, but compared to all the other stuff we have to complain about these days its near the bottom of my irritant list. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 21 Oct 2005 10:48:41 -0700 ba ba booie wrote: > What is a good "B" rated movie? Strictly fer camp, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" is of course the ultimate. Two others that have to be considered "B" flicks, but that actually have some redeeming qualities are "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "Forbidden Planet". Rick ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: 21 Oct 2005 10:52:07 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > DO NOT MISS PAUL IN CONCERT FOR GEORGE. > > I too was never a post Beatles Paul fan (JET! Uggh). I find him cloying, > annoying, and always hogging the spotlight at those superstar charity > concert confabs. > > Yet Paul is absolutely perrrrfect in this concert. Respectful, moved and > moving. His version of All Things Must Pass brought a tear to both his and > my eyes. He rocks on the piano intro to My Guitar Gently Weeps. > > Concert for George is a must see for any George fan (or Paul, Clapton, Jeff > Lynne, Ringo, Tom Petty, Billy Preston fan). The rest of the band is fairly > stellar too: Chris Stainton, Jim Keltner, Henry Spinetti, Klaus Voorman, > Jim Capaldi, Gary Brooker from Procul Harem, Dhani Harrison (clone of > George---eeeeerrrriiiee), Andy Fairweather-Low, and a bunch of young guys > who played with George in later years. Ravi Shankar's sitar playing > daughter is the hottest Indian chick ever. > > DO NOT MISS THIS DVD. > > EGBH H SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RYK!!! Rick ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:56:58 GMT RickNBarbInSD wrote: > dyrewlf wrote: > >> wrote in message >>news:1129911059.572577.292750@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >>>I grew up with the Beatles. Love most of their work, but I was never a >>>big McCartney solo fan. Two and half years ago, my brother gave me >>>tickets to McCartney's show in Oakland, for my b'day. I went, expecting >>>to be mildly entertained. >>>My bad. Paul rocked the hell out of the big old Coliseum. Had a great >>>time, even if we were the only people smoking pot in our section. >>>>From friends who saw the show in San Jose and Vegas, I gather he did >>>the exact same show (songs and stage banter) for the whole tour. Like a >>>script. >>>BTW, nice interview with McCartney in the current issue of Guitar >>>Player. >>> >>>Larry >>> >> >>This is the same way I felt. We were trying to figure out who to go see and >>his tix were going on sale. My wife really wanted to see him, I had no >>interest. I liked some of his solo stuff, but not a huge fan. She went on >>about it being the last chance for us to see a Beatle. She won and man am I >>glad she did. That was a hell of a show definitely in our top 5 ever. Paul >>rocked out hard and his band was pretty damn good especially the drummer. >>Yes he plays pretty much the same show, he alters it by a song or 2, and >>has the same stage banter at the same time but man it was rocking. Well >>worth the money that tix were going for. It was an outstanding show from >>beginning to end. Needless to say when tix went on sale for his tour this >>year, we snapped some up. Can't wait. we've got the Stones next Sun and Paul >>the following Thurs, should be a fun week. Steve > > > > Yup. Paul might have churned out some lousy trite crap over the years > with Wings, but he deserves his props. He remains an immensely > talented man who can definitely blow the roof off the joint when he > reinvests in his fundamental strengths. He writes well, sings well, > plays multiple instruments, and plays rock and roll bass very well. > Although it has sometimes seemed obscured by the aforementioned crap, > he really is a legend for good reason IMHO. He's actually the most innovative bass player (outside of James Jamerson maybe) of the 20th century. But he's produced plenty of lousy trite crap music post-Wings. And his art and classical compositions are just as trite. -JC ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: 21 Oct 2005 10:58:25 -0700 RickNBarbInSD wrote: >plays rock and roll bass very well. > Although it has sometimes seemed obscured by the aforementioned crap, > he really is a legend for good reason IMHO. > > > Rick Gee thanks Rick, ; ) for making me trudge over to get Abbey Road out. Still can remember that day waiting for the newest Beatles album to show up at the local drugstore. Everytime I listen to this I wonder was there a finer crafted album in the period? Can't recall much more excitement for any other release in my youth, well except for that Steal Your Face. LOL guess you had to be marooned in Vail Valley at 8650' with no boots to understand. peace jeff "she could steal but she could not rob" L/M ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 21 Oct 2005 11:01:39 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > > Honestly this is the first I've heard about it. I still don't know why > > this is as big of a scandle as it's turned out to be. Valerie Plame was > > not a covert agent in harm's way. The Wilson's did not keep it a secret > > that she worked for the CIA. Admittedly I'm not up in the minute > > details of Joseph Wilson. I will look closer. The whole Iraq thing is > > very disturbing. The Bush Administration wanted to topple the Saddam > > regime and was determined to build a case for war. Can we agree here? > > > > She was indeed a covert agent. Sorry, but Rush Limbaugh is simply lying > on this one. Criminal investigations don't occur on legal political leaks. > > -JC I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, JC. I listen to NPR and my TV news consists of Special Report w/ Brit Hume and Hardball with Chris Matthews. And I sheepishly admit to tuning into Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO. Now if that's not "fair and balanced", I don't know what is!! peace & awe, Carrie ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: 21 Oct 2005 11:02:31 -0700 Not to pick nits, but McCartney plays a lot more than just "rock and roll bass very well." As he was on many of The Beatles recordings, he's a multi-instrumentalist on stage. Six string electric and acoustic, ukelele and keys. And his pychedelic upright piano is a hoot to see, as well. Larry ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:07:06 GMT Carlisle wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >>Carlisle wrote: >> >> >>>Honestly this is the first I've heard about it. I still don't know why >>>this is as big of a scandle as it's turned out to be. Valerie Plame was >>>not a covert agent in harm's way. The Wilson's did not keep it a secret >>>that she worked for the CIA. Admittedly I'm not up in the minute >>>details of Joseph Wilson. I will look closer. The whole Iraq thing is >>>very disturbing. The Bush Administration wanted to topple the Saddam >>>regime and was determined to build a case for war. Can we agree here? >> >> >> >>She was indeed a covert agent. Sorry, but Rush Limbaugh is simply lying >>on this one. Criminal investigations don't occur on legal political leaks. >> >>-JC > > > I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, JC. Well Limbaugh is the one who concocted this idea for the right wing spinsters. It's a lie. You're telling me a federal investigation would take place for something that is technically not a crime? No, she was indeed classified as a covert agent, whether or not she was at her desk at the time. The question is whether or not someone in the White House was the source of the leak, for political purposes. There's no question of Plame's operational status. Spinsters don't get to classify agents. That's the CIA's job. -JC ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney (ndc) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:18:28 -0400 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > Concert for George is a must see for any George fan > (or Paul, Clapton, Jeff Lynne, Ringo, Tom Petty, Billy > Preston fan). The rest of the band is fairly stellar too: > Chris Stainton, Jim Keltner, Henry Spinetti, Klaus > Voorman, Jim Capaldi, Gary Brooker from Procul > Harem, Dhani Harrison (clone of George---eeeeerrrriiiee), > Andy Fairweather-Low, and a bunch of young guys who > played with George in later years. HRYK. Great concert. > Ravi Shankar's sitar playing daughter is the hottest Indian > chick ever. I like her sitar piece far more than the rock and roll part of the concert. -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: Jeff Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:02:26 -0600 RickNBarbInSD wrote: > ba ba booie wrote: > >>What is a good "B" rated movie? > > > > Strictly fer camp, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" is of course the ultimate. Dunno if "Buckaroo Banzai and his Adventures Across the 8th Dimension" counts, but it's a cult classic! ------------------------------ From: "Infundibulum" Subject: Re: Any words to say about The Simpsons moving to the Arab world? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:14:14 -0700 Episode 1 Bart has his hands cut-off, Lisa and Marge are stoned to death for dressing like whores. Episode 2 Homer is approached by some "friends from Tehran" about taking some pictures where he works. Episode 3 Smithers is stoned to death. Obvious reasons. Episode 4 Krusty the Klown converts to Islam. Becomes "Kareem the Klown". Episode 5 The entire Flanders family stoned to death for passing out "interesting literature." Episode 6 Otto, the bus driver, saves all of the school children from the "suspicious package" at the back of the bus. Episode 7 Sideshow Bob discovered to be Mossad agent. Stoned to death, of course. Episode 8 Hilarity ensues when it is discovered that Patty is Sunni and twin sister Selma is Shiite. Episode 9 "Shock and Awe" season finally. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:59:30 -0400 pookietooth wrote: > > The Car, with James Brolin. Watch it a couple times, then a couple > times with the sound off and a 72-74 Dark Star playing in the > background. > Nice! They showed this a few years ago at a horror movie marathon at the Coolidge Corner Theater. It was a big hit with the crowd, as was a British horror movie called "Blood on Satan's Claw." Big, smelly fun! ------------------------------ From: "augustwestern" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:26:07 -0700 "ba ba booie" wrote in message news:14095-4358DB2A-316@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net... > What is a good "B" rated movie? > Dawn of the Dead was highly entertaining. I believe this is George Romero's latest flesh eating zombie movie. Now those zombies can run like track stars and that makes things interesting. Zombie action from start to finish with several cameo appearances and a cast of thousands of zombies. ------------------------------ From: "Sean G." Subject: Re: what should the United States do with combatants who don't belong to regular armies? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:24:31 -0400 : So, how should America IDEALLY treat these kinds of combatants--people : who decide to take up armed action against Americans or American : facilities but who don't belong to national armies? That's easy. How do we want Americans in similar situations treated by our enemies? There are A LOT (more than most people think) of people in Iraq and other countries working on behalf of the US government but not part of the regular uniformed armed forces. They do jobs from basic support services for troops (food service, etc.) to infrastructure construction (roads, water, etc.) to protection for contractors (armed guards) to police/interrogation/soldier-for-hire type stuff. Many are armed and are not part of the regular forces, are not uniformed, and are not considered POWs when captured. American citizens captured on American soil absolutely belong in the American court system. IMHO, Sean -- "If we wanted more leisure, we'd invent machines that do things less efficiently." --Bill Watterson ------------------------------ From: "Bradish" Subject: Re: I feel weirded out this morning. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:34:12 GMT "corky" wrote in message news:%n86f.5640$7h7.3876@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > Send lawyers, guns and money > The shit has hit the fan > No. Leave the lawyers, take the guns and money.... ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: FEMA E-Mails Date: 21 Oct 2005 11:51:53 -0700 kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > Am I a person of no colour? > Kurt Yes! We are utterly transparent. Kind of like some sort of jellyfish! http://www.kodakgallery.com/PhotoView.jsp?&collid=82529508306.11283957906.1129920684887&photoid=674706493106&view=1&page=1&sort_order=0&albumsperpage=12&navfolderid=2005 Rick ------------------------------ From: "pbleers@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: What is a good "B" rated movie? Date: 21 Oct 2005 11:52:28 -0700 ""In my personal top ten movies of all time: Dirty Mary Crazy Larry."" I saw the coming attractions for this at the movies when I was a kid. I never forgot it-it looked so damn cool. Didnt know that was Peter Fonda. Here's a B movie hint.....any flick with Harry Dean Stanton in it, its almost assuredly a B flick. Him and Clint Howard both are benchmarks for Bs. "Ticks" has a classic Clint Howard freak out that is hilarious. I'm into the psychotronic/monster/biker B movies......Wild Angels, Attack of the Mushroom People, The Manster, anything associated with Roger Corman, Russ Myers or some guy named Zarkoff (I think) is gonna get my attention. Yeah, its complete trash and most likely rotting my mind but so what, its fun. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: I feel weirded out this morning. Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:56:27 GMT Sparky the Wonder Dog wrote: > JC; Sometimes lawyers can avoid a lot of trial and error and wasted > effort. Sure, the first thing you do is try to get a preliminary call > into a lawyer to see if there's anything the lawyer can practically do > and try not to pay for that call. Agreed. On a civil matter of this magnitude you don't really need a lawyer other than for the letter, unless the other party decides to pull out the big guns. But there are other avenues as well worth researching. Generally, the threat of a lawsuit or calling out code enforcement to check on other matters puts some sense into the defendant. Not always. But I've been lucky. Maybe it's because I'm not interested in frivolous matters. But IMO, assholes deserve to be treated as they are, lest they continue taking advantage of people, which they will. BTW, I'm no big fan of lawyers per se, but the redundant remarks regarding the profession doesn't change the fact that they are necessary evils for particular needs, many if not most of them in fact not frivolous in this cut-throat world we live in. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:58:41 GMT Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > "Rupert" wrote in message > news:1129904791.357896.257980@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >>If Mickey D's has no accountability, then perhaps we can make them stop >>marketing their product to children ie: putting toys in the fucking >>meal! >> >>After having seen "Supersize Me" I think that anything that bad for you >>should be regulated just like booze and cigarettes. > > > > Yeah, instead of shifting societal gears in the direction of more freedom, > towards legalizing marijuana, we should make more things illegal, regulate > more things, and give the Bush / Swarzenegger regimes more power than they > have now to tell us all how to live our lives. > > Next to go after fast food: veggie burritos (unknown ingredients), grilled > cheeses ( too much fat & grease), and of course beer. Anyone who has a > hangover should be able to sue Sierra Nevada Brewery and drive them out of > business for selling their dangerous product to an ignorant and > Stepford-like public. Loud music causes hearing loss, so live music > obviously should be banned; or maybe Arnold and George can write decibel > regs so Phil can't be heard in the back row, Good way of spelling out the absurdity of such laws. > This law is long overdue. If someone wants to kill themselves with Big Macs > that's their problem. Just like cigarettes, everyone knows fast food is > gunk and if eaten in large amounts will harm you. There are far better > choices in food. > > That's the key: choices. Or do we plead for Arnold & George to supply > government approved shopping lists since we're too dumb to decide anything > for ourselves? > > It takes a smidgeon of personal responsibility and awareness to successfully > navigate living in a modern society. The fast food ingredients are already > avilable to anyone who cares to learn what they are eating. The publicity > around people getting obese from fast food is everywhere. Everyone knows. > > It absolutely amazes me that so-called hippies are so helpless, so stupid, > so unaware that they need Republican politicians to tell them what's safe > and what's not. ....or any politician for that matter. -JC ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .