From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #618 Dead-Flames Digest #618, Volume #48 Wed, 19 Oct 05 22:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: July '81 FLAC permavine noB, noP (bigchuck51@aol.com) Chinacat Sunflower @ ACL Festival ("busryde") Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Re: Any words to say about The Simpsons moving to the Arab world? (kpnnews@yahoo.com) "Jerry and Friends" show ID help? (Shawn Lucas) Re: Any words to say about The Simpsons moving to the Arab world? (Shawn Lucas) Re: Vegas '95 (JC Martin) Re: "Jerry and Friends" show ID help? ("ck") Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (kpnnews@yahoo.com) any Johnny Guitar Watson fans? (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish ("The Iron Muffin") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) ("Neil X.") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("band beyond description") Free Bird ("Dave Kelly") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Ben) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimK Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:49:30 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:07:41 -0700, leftie wrote: >Bush knew. Time for conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges all >around for the Bush League. Happy Fitzmas! > > >http://nydailynews.com/front/story/357107p-304312c.html > >Bush whacked >Rove on CIA leak > >BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK >DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF > >An exultant President Bush appeared to whisper to his top aide Karl Rove >as they headed for Indiana in July. >WASHINGTON - An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl >Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources >told the Daily News. > >"He made his displeasure known to Karl," a presidential counselor told >The News. "He made his life miserable about this." > >Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and >even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the >President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world. > >As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nears a decision, perhaps as >early as today, on whether to issue indictments in his two-year probe, >Bush has already circled the wagons around Rove, whose departure would >be a grievous blow to an already shell-shocked White House staff and a >President in deep political trouble. > >Asked if he believed indictments were forthcoming, a key Bush official >said he did not know, then added: "I'm very concerned it could go very, >very badly." > >"Karl is fighting for his life," the official added, "but anything he >did was done to help George W. Bush. The President knows that and >appreciates that." > >Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with >Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to >the press about the Plame leak. > >Bush has always known that Rove often talks with reporters anonymously >and he generally approved of such contacts, one source said. > >But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House >damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit >Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's >claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger. > >A second well-placed source said some recently published reports >implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson >counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying >to protect the President. > >"Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that >they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way," the source said. > >None of these sources offered additional specifics of what Bush and Rove >discussed in conversations beginning shortly after the Justice >Department informed the White House in September 2003 that a criminal >investigation had been launched into the leak of CIA agent Plame's >identity to columnist Robert Novak. > >A White House spokesman declined to comment, citing the ongoing nature >of Fitzgerald's investigation. So Bush isn't pissed at Rove because he outed a CIA agent; he's just pissed because Rove's gonna get caught. Bush-league, indeed. JimK ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Police make dozens of arrests @ Rolling Stones concert. Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:57:34 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:35:05 -0700, "Richard Morris" wrote: > >"RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message >news:1129767202.908941.292730@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> >> Stuknot wrote: >>> Stephen St. wrote: >>> >>> > I reject your wealth and stem sucking. >>> >>> Steve, I don't think you can reject Joe's wealth and/or stem sucking >>> unless he offers them to you. Otherwise it's sort of like saying, "I >>> reject having wild sex with a squadfull of 20 year old, red-headed >>> cheerleaders in a sauna." I mean, it's a statement and all, but unless >>> the pom-poms are in your face, there's not a whole lot of substance to >>> it. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> John >> >> >> I accept having wild sex with a squadfull of 20 year old, red-headed >> cheerleaders in a sauna. ;D > >Picky! I would be willing to settle for calm sex, myself. > >R. > Yeah, even that's better than palm sex, I suppose. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: NBA Players Now Must Adhere to Dress Code (NDC) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:58:49 -0500 "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message: > Marcus Camby of the Denver Nuggets, whose contract will pay him nearly > $50 million over the next five years, told an interviewer before the code > was imposed, ``I don't see it happening unless every NBA player is given a > stipend to buy clothes.'' ROTFLMAO! ------------------------------ .I guess it could be funny to hear Homer (Omar) say "Mmmm kahk". ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Vegas '95 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:18:32 GMT Ray wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >>Ray wrote: >> >>>That Dew was the highlight of the run for me. I had a great time that >>>weekend, if only because not having a great time on a Vegas Dead >>>weekend would have been difficult - they were always a blast. But the >>>shows themselves left much to be desired. Haven't heard the tapes. >> >>Jerry was just a mess at these shows IMO. My very last show was Sunday, >>and I knew Jerry was on his last legs. I told one of my friends who I >>went with on the drive home that Jerry probably wasn't going to be with >>us for very long. Very sad weekend, despite being with two of my best >>friends. > > > I always loved the spectacle of all those Deadheads in Vegas. So I > always had a blast at Vegas Dead, even when the band wasn't on their > game. And I do recall some high points from that run, at least > relatively speaking - that Dew and the Truckin', at least, were > memorable (in a positive way) for me. I wouldn't be at all suprised if > it didn't hold up on the tapes however. I always had great times in Vegas. But that particular year, I remember the traffic being horrendous, and I was really stunned to see Garcia looking as if he was on his last legs. I just had that feeling, and watching large groups of people high, smiling and dancing to a man clearly from my view on his way out, disturbed me. I was definitely on a different wavelength than the majority of the audience. -JC > My very last show was two weeks later at Shoreline. That's the first > and only time I left before the end of a Dead show - they were playing > poorly, and Jerry was MIA - it was too depressing. Of course had I > known that that'd be the last show I'd see then I would have stayed > until the end. ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: "Jerry and Friends" show ID help? Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:26:48 -0400 "Shawn Lucas" wrote in message news:435707e2.28214970@news.col.sbcglobal.net... > Just got this from gdlive > (http://www.gdlive.com/newshows/jerry/garcia70-10-21.shnf/) > > but I am suspicious of the date...10/21/70. The GD were on tour in > Oct. 70 and although they had off from the 19th to the 22nd, I doubt > Jerry bailed on the band to head back to SF for a side gig at the > Matrix. Any help on the real date would be appreciated. Here is the > info file (yeah the songlist ain't too helpful): > > >Jerry Garcia and friends > >The Matrix, > >San Francisco, Ca > >10/21/70 > > >"Matrix Tuesday Night Jam Sessions" > > >SB > R > DAT > CD > > >jam #1 11:08 * > >jam #2 6:50 > >jam #3 12:57 > >jam #4 9:05 > > > >*=fade in > >A little bit of hiss. > > >Jerry Garcia, Jorma Kaukonen, Jack Cassady, > >John Cipollina, David Freiberg, Nicky Hopkins, Papa John Creech. > > > > I have yet to give a listen but based on personnel it looks like it > could be from the PERRO sessions. Help? > > Thanks. > > Shawn > > > > > http://www.thejerrysite.com/Search.do?action=year&year=1970 ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: 19 Oct 2005 20:39:14 -0700 DB wrote: > You decide. http://jambands.com/ is running the following poll and > disturbingly, Live Phish has three of the top 5 spots. Come on folks, > go and vote. LP4 : I agree with what a lot of folks have already stated in that Phish was a fullfilling concert that didn't transfer to tape that well. However, I have heard enough shows that some really keep my interest. The mini-tour of Japan is a series of shows I find interesting. They somewhat have the feel of a band at the end (which they were), but there is also a sense of pushing it. I find the shows intriguing. DP12 (DP20, DP14): When I need a DP fix, I almost always grab something from 72-74 with DP12 heading the list. However, I am very fond of 76 which I find very underrated, and DP20 was sort of a revelation in light of the shows I did have. Who wins? We all win. My only complaint is the price for the GD downloads. I am right now downloading 3CDs from Phish in N.O. from the Jazzfest and at Tipitina's in 91 with the ARU. $12 for 3CDs. GD? 3CD $20. Hmmm... that 76 show does look tempting.... Kurt ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: any Johnny Guitar Watson fans? Date: 19 Oct 2005 20:52:41 -0700 I picked up Ain't That A Bitch and Funk Beyond The Call Of Duty from dustygroove last week. I had them on vinyl along with several other albums from the same period. Does anyone else like this stuff? I mean it's slick. He plays damn near every instrument so it can be mechanically tight. The lyrics can border on Phish/Zappa silliness. His music goes against what I consider essential in great music - interplay, improv, uniqueness, etc. What the hell is it that makes me frickin' smile like the cat that ate the canary when I put these CDs on at work? I think it's the killer hooks and his "raps" during songs. The guitar playing ain't too shabby either. Never heard of him? Give him a chance. "I want to ta-ta ya...." Samples: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000008UH/qid=1129780177/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-0681067-3694456?v=glance&s=music http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5XZJW/qid=1129780249/sr=1-15/ref=sr_1_15/002-0681067-3694456?v=glance&s=music Kurt PS - I would love to hear how all this translated live during this period. dimadozen to the rescue? ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Republicans hate you and want you dead: the 10/20/05 edition (NDC) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:45:07 +0900 BC-NA-GEN--US-ObesityLaw 10-19 0438 Ho-House votes to block lawsuits blaming food industry for obesity By LIBBY QUAID Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Republican-controlled House voted Wednesday to shield fast-food chains from lawsuits that blame them for making people fat. Nicknamed the ``cheeseburger bill,'' the measure stems from lawsuits accusing McDonald's of causing obesity in tens of thousands of children. The food industry has asked Congress and state legislatures to protect it from liability, and so far, 21 states have agreed. ``You cannot litigate personal choices and lifestyles,'' said Republican Rep. Mike Rogers. House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, also a Republican, said potential costs from the lawsuits threaten the food industry and its 12 million employees and raise food prices for consumers. ``These suits would be laughable if they were not so harmful,'' Sensenbrenner said. The measure, which won approval on a 306-120 vote, would prevent class action lawsuits blaming restaurants and food companies for weight gain or obesity. The House passed a similar bill last year, but the Senate ran out of time to act. Two-thirds of American adults are overweight, and nearly one-third are obese, while obesity among children and teenagers more than doubled in the past 30 years, according to government estimates. Critics of the bill contend that a better way to make people responsible for how they eat is to require nutrition information on menus and menu boards. ``But of course this silly legislative effort has nothing to do with encouraging personal responsibility and everything to do with pleasing a powerful and politically connected industry,'' said Michael Jacobson, director of the Washington-based Center for Science in the Public Interest. A food industry lobbyist said lawsuits against food companies are the wrong way to fight obesity in America. ``More energy must be put into solving the problem of obesity, and less into assigning blame for the purpose of collecting legal fees,'' said Hunt Shipman, executive vice president of government affairs and communications for the Food Products Association. Courts have dismissed most obesity claims, but an appeals court in New York reinstated one lawsuit against McDonald's earlier this year. It is stil pending. ... On the Net: Information on the bill, H.R. 554, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov Food Products Association: http://www.fpa-food.org/ Center for Science in the Public Interest: http://www.cspinet.org/ AP-NY-10-19-05 1927EDT ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:57:44 +0900 "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message news:1129723410.115392.29090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Neil X. wrote: > They stood. They > > watched. I pissed. Very public. > > This is not unlike attending a show at Great Woods with the illustrious > Mr. Kreuger. > > Mark > or Steve Terry's dream... -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:25:10 -0400 Shawn Lucas wrote: > Phish was a live thing for me. I've actually seen Phish live > (between 1992 and 2003) way more than I've seen the GD > (between 1991 and 1995). Heh. I saw a lot of 1987-1994 Phish. They were really at the top of their game in 1989-1994 IMHO. > After 2000 Phish was pretty much lame You misspelled 1993. The crowds got way too big after that. -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "Neil X." Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: 19 Oct 2005 21:18:09 -0700 > Brad wrote: > > Neil's point (and one I agree with) is the issue of > drug testing tells you something about the "character" of the company > - do they think they own you or do they view you as a valued employee? > Companies that test their employees are wrong, IMO, and I won't work > for one of them. That's exactly what I was trying to express, Brad. Whether or not one can pass the test is less relevant than what the requirement for the test says about the company. One of the biotech companies I consulted for was bought out by a big Pharmaceutical while I was working there. The change in culture was instantaneous, and the immediate advent of urine testing was symptomatic of the way employees were viewed by management. (The testing was only for new hires, but nonetheless the current staff was appalled by it, and what it said about their new bosses.) Employee morale rapidly deteriorated, despite the raises the staff received after the merger. The cream of the company all gave notice while I was there--the dozen best scientists that worked there were gone within two months. Those employees that were talented and had many options mainly opted to work elsewhere. You'd think management types would take notice of stuff like that. The staff there that I am still communicate with tell amazing tales of managerial hubris. It's a sad situation, a vital and innovative biotech company is being systematically destroyed. Peace, Neil X. ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:06:01 +0900 > Go smoke some geraldine dope you freak'' you say that like it's a bad thing... ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Free Bird Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:23:23 GMT 10/20/77 - Ronnie Van Zant and Steve Gaines of Lynyrd Skynyrd are killed when their rented plane crashes in a swamp near Gillsburg, Miss. ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:39:29 -0700 On 19 Oct 2005 16:54:24 GMT, Joe wrote: >greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: >> Librarian is a cool job. > >So is being a hippie slacker. Can I get paid to do that? Is there a piss test involved? ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:44:45 -0700 On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:32:38 -0700, "Richard Morris" wrote: > >"Ben" wrote in message >news:e39bl19r5qi13j0q188s8llkp992pob4pj@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:04:37 -0700, "Richard Morris" >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Gary" wrote in message >>>news:43557bc2$0$41000$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net... >>>> >>>>> Yeah ... and if you get caught up in a random test and get terminated, >>>>> you >>>>> have an unexplainable gap in your work history. That can dog you for a >>>>> number of years. >>>> >>>> Don't worry about crap like that till it happens. There are always ways >>>> to >>>> explain >>>> that type of thing. >>> >>>Can you name one way--just one--that would reflect positively on the >>>person >>>and make them more competitive in a hiring situation? >>> >> >> You don't have to tell them the circumstances - if you're qualified >> they may not even ask. >> >> I wasn't asked about a 6 month gap in my resume 5 years ago, even >> though the job after that resulted in a layoff. > >Come on, man. Of course you don't have to answer questions about your work >history. And they don't have to hire you. You can get away with anything >if you don't get questioned about it. The point is, do you want to take the >risk? All I'm saying is I got an offer despite that. > >Several people have assumed that by my pointing this factor out, I am >lobbying for something one way or the other. That is wrong. > I just think that my job experience, references, ability to pass a round-robin technical test via phone interview counted for a lot more than any gaps in my resume. >I don't give a shit one way or the other what someone does ... they can make >their own decisions about that. But failure to take all the considerations >into account is simply making a decision with partial information. Exactly - and if they had focused too much on that 6-month gap in my history (why the hell did I leave that job? I'm not willing to tell the whole truth) it would look really bad. > And it >isn't a matter of paranoia, either, Steve-san. And the fact is, a gap in >work history can be a problem. I didn't say *will* ... I said CAN. fair enough > >Now, if ya want my personal position, it is as follows: never, never work >for someone who would test for drugs if being clean is unrelated to job >performance. If they disrespect your right to privacy in that fashion, it >is likely they will disrpespect you in some other fashion as well. I've never had a job where I wasn't disrepected in 1 way or another. I once had a job where both me and my boss refused to sign a newly implemented substance abuse policy. They sent out a reminder to us and when we both ignored it, they dropped the issue. The downside of that job is I was paid in dirt. > >R. > ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:50:30 -0700 On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:11:33 -0500, Tom Beck wrote: >Ben wrote: > > > >They watch, believe me I know. > > >> >> Not to mention a nearly 20% increase in salary - I can give up smoke >> for that. I've been out of my own stash since Labor Day anyway, and >> haven't smoked anything but crappy resin in a month - nearly 2 weeks >> since I had any res-hits. > >That likely won't help. They test for >"metabolites", the substances that remain >after your body metabolizes (digests) a >particular substance. The problem with >pot metabolites is that they lodge in >fatty tissue and take 3 to 5 weeks of >abstinence to clear out. It will be exactly 38 days of total abstinence when I start, and I'm thinking of asking for an extra week anyway and not just for substance testing. I think I'll get it if I ask and explain that I just can't relocate that quicklly. >I hear that >A substance called "Goldenseal", And I've heard that goldenseal doesn't actually do anything - I don't know the truth, but popular wisdom is that it's been discredited. >Cranberry >juice and water mixed with vinegar can speed >up the process. Same with that unless you use it to dilute your piss enough - they're looking for a specific level of concentration. >Goldenseal can be found at >Whole food stores. Don't take chances, if >they watch, there's a reason (in their minds) >to do that. If they catch you cheating you >can kiss that job good bye. Yeah - to be honest, I could live with that - for a little while anyway - I'm sure I'd regret it later, but I'm sick of my current job and I can take a couple years off - maybe learn something new in the meantime. I'm drunk right now anyway - they can't detect that and I'm sure it's much worse for me and my future job performance. 'scuse me if I'm incoherent. > >Tom ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .