From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #615 Dead-Flames Digest #615, Volume #48 Wed, 19 Oct 05 15:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Zero II.....Moycey! ("pookietooth") "Jefferson Airplane Galactic Reunion" ("Carl Sparndan") Re: Zero II.....Moycey! (brew ziggins) just another ("frndthdevl") Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) (JC Martin) Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... (Walter Karmazyn) Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Brad Greer) 10/27/05 dilemma ("marklaw") 9/21/72 download ("Dave Kelly") Re: audio extraction questions (Brad Greer) Re: 9/21/72 download ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: 10/27/05 dilemma ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... (wyeknot) Re: Are you working in the same field you majored in college? (Seth Jackson) Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) (leftie) Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: 10/27/05 dilemma (jwadetjpp@yahoo.com) Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? ("Bill Spencer") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: Zero II.....Moycey! Date: 19 Oct 2005 11:43:47 -0700 Dave Kelly wrote: > ....there is NO way Master wanted ANY part of this mess! > check it: > http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=7384 Hmm, first show in 5 years? They've got a 12/30/04 show on archive.org. Jambase don't do math! It actually sounds good except for the vocals. They always ended up being a buzz-kill for Zero but I guess Anton's hooked on them. ------------------------------ From: "Carl Sparndan" Subject: "Jefferson Airplane Galactic Reunion" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:44:42 GMT jgamp.com JAGR at the Garcia AMPhitheatre sat oct 29 and don't forget the mystery cats too! all you mysterogynists beware, it might be tied in with something having to do with deborah koons and unfortunately the insufferable david glans and wavy gravity will be there too. "When I was a little kid I was just like anybody else." - Jeffery Dahmer ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: Zero II.....Moycey! Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:53:26 -0400 Thus spake sweetbac@pacbell.net... > ....there is NO way Master wanted ANY part of this mess! > check it: > http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=7384 Seriously. I kid Master, but those yo yo's never had any bid'ness being on stage with him. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: just another Date: 19 Oct 2005 11:53:32 -0700 yep,just another step in Big Brother's inevitable control on our every day lives. You think democrats did not know about this, or do you think the demorats went along with the republirats? http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/index.php I think the solution to this problem is more gun control, a bigger drug war,bi partisan support of the Iraqi War and to raise taxes. peace jeff While you were gone These faces filled with darkness The obvious was hidden With nothing to believe in The compass always points to Terrapin Hunter ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:03:22 GMT leftie wrote: > Is it time for Danicin' In The Streets? :-) > > http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/051018/18whwatch.htm Probably not. Getting to Cheney is near impossible given that everyone is covering for him. Notice that no one really bit on the Post piece, mainly because the article was conjecture based on a certain line of questioning. Of course the prosecutor is going to examine Cheney, especially given that his office is seemingly responsible for the leak. But Libby is probably the guy that falls on this one. Maybe Rove. Cheney could conceivably resign I suppose, but somehow I doubt it. Peas, JC ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: 19 Oct 2005 12:19:26 -0700 I don't know JC, self preservation is a strong instinct. It looks like the Cheney office is starting to squeal. A second Cheney aid is now talking: Theresa =========================================================== http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Second_Cheney_aide_cooperating_in_leak_1019.html Second Cheney aide cooperating in leak probe, those close to case say Jason Leopold and Larisa Alexandrovna A second aide to Vice President Dick Cheney is cooperating with the special prosecutor's probe into the outing of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson, those close to the investigation say. Late Monday, several sources familiar with Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's probe said John Hannah, a key aide to Vice President Dick Cheney and one of the architects of the Iraq war, was cooperating with Fitzgerald after being told that he was identified by witnesses as a co-conspirator in the leak. Sources said Hannah was not given immunity, but was likely offered a "deal" in exchange for information that could result in indictments of key White House officials. Now, those close to the investigation say that a second Cheney aide, David Wurmser, has agreed to provide the prosecution with evidence that the leak was a coordinated effort by Cheney's office to discredit the agent's husband. Her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, was one of the most vocal critics of the Iraq war. ------------------------------ From: Walter Karmazyn Subject: Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:28:21 -0700 Joe wrote: > Who cares what conservatives think? They're all mentally ill. And, did I > mention insane? > > Joe The conservative in question has called for Bush's impeachment, referred to his neocon supporters as brownshirts, was against the the invasion of Iraq before it was invaded, is a strong opponent of the Patriot Act, etc. I guess anybody who holds these opinions must be mentally ill and insane, with a bit of UnAmerican to boot, ain't that right, Joe? W ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:48:03 -0700 "Walter Karmazyn" wrote in message news:3rnl5jFk7e1gU1@individual.net... > Joe wrote: >> Who cares what conservatives think? They're all mentally ill. And, did I >> mention insane? >> >> Joe > The conservative in question has called for Bush's impeachment, referred > to his neocon supporters as brownshirts, was against the the invasion of > Iraq before it was invaded, is a strong opponent of the Patriot Act, etc. > I guess anybody who holds these opinions must be mentally ill and insane, > with a bit of UnAmerican to boot, ain't that right, Joe? There are no conservatives anywhere to be found in either the Bush administration or the Republican congressional leadership. Pirates, profiteers, government growers, used car salesmen selling corporate welfare for contributions, crooks, criminals, and nation builders. That's who is running the country into the ground right now. And many actual conservatives are getting sick and tired of it. EGBH ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:05:49 -0400 On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:08:29 -0700, Ben wrote: >On 18 Oct 2005 20:17:01 -0700, "Neil X." wrote: > >> >>> Ben wrote: >>> >>> But without going into excruciating detail the one that drug tests is >>> SO much better that there's no question in my mind about which to >>> take. (I did the math in my head on the way home from work today - >>> 20% salary increase). My current employer is gonna shit when I tell >>> them. I'm going to have a huge laugh if they try to ask what it would >>> take to get me to stay. >> >> >>I was regularly urine tested for over 2 years while I did consultant >>work for biotech companies. Many pharma companies asked for urine >>tests, it was quite common to show up for the first day at a new gig, >>work my first day, and at the end of the day be pointed to the >>Occupational Health Office to give urine. FWIW, there was no personal >>privacy for any of these tests. I don't know what you have planned for >>that dried urine of yours, but even a "whizzinator" wouldn't have done >>me any good at any of the places that tested me. They stood. They >>watched. I pissed. Very public. > >Really? - that surprises me. Maybe I'll have to abstain for Vegoose. >It would be a drag, but I did it at Jazzfest a few years ago because I >started a job the following week with a company that had a mail-order >pharmacy even though I had nothing to do with that. How a company tests will vary, although if they use an outside testing lab to collect the samples odds are strong they'll watch you to some extent when you piss. >I had never turned down so much weed in my life - a friend of mine >even brought me a quarter because he was sure I'd want it - had to >turn that down too. You can't stockpile the offers? For after your job starts and all? >The dehydrated stuff is supposed to be dissolved in water in a 50 ml >vial and heated to the proper temp with foot warmers. They suggest >stashing it in between 2 pairs of briefs but I might tape it under my >arm. > >The vials are watertight - already tested that out. It's got a strip >on the side to measure temp and I bought the digital thermometer for >added measure. > >Of course, it definitely won't work if they watch. I thought they >only did that for parolees. No, if a place is serious about drug testing (which far too many are) they'll do some minimal level of watching you. >My friend who recommended this stuff works as a nurse and has used it >a number of times. > >Hopefully it will be spelled out in the offer letter I'll get >tomorrow, and I'm hoping they'll just tell me to go to a testing >facility here - at my convenience so I'll be able to have the temp >just right when I walk in. > >> >>I'm now working at a great company that didn't test. My >>recommendation--don't give into the fascists. In restrospect, it was a >>mistake for me to consent to this indignity. Never again. Quality of >>life is as important as a paycheck. > >Unfortunately, I see the 2 as permanently linked - the quality of life >sucks where I'm at now, and even if I can't indulge for a while, I >think this is best for me. > >Plus, if they wait 'til then, I'll almost certainly test negative >anyway. And they'll have a lot invested in me already. > >> Opt to work for the company that >>doesn't try to own your soul...... > >Oh, the other just expects me to work for slave wages and move 1100 >miles in 2 weeks time (just long enough to give notice at my current >job) with next to nothing as far as helping me relocate - they'll pay >for a u-haul is about it. The other company pays for movers to come >out, pack up my stuff, drive it there, break the lease at my apartment >which won't be cheap, 60 days temp. housing, 1 months salary for >incidentals and they're giving me nearly twice as much time to move. > >Not to mention a nearly 20% increase in salary - I can give up smoke >for that. I've been out of my own stash since Labor Day anyway, and >haven't smoked anything but crappy resin in a month - nearly 2 weeks >since I had any res-hits. Everyone has to decide what trade-offs they'll accept. I've decided that I'll never work for a place that tests just on moral grounds - what I do on my free time is my own business. Of course, if I lose my job and am out of work for some extended period of time and the only offer comes from a place that tests we'll see if I cave or not, but I'm currently looking for a new job (while still working in my current job) and I won't have any discussions with companies that test. >>what looks like a great opportunity >>today won't necessarily look that way in 6 months. > >I'm thinking their philosophy is that they really don't care unless >I'm such an addict that I can't put down the crack-pipe or >smack-filled needle long enough to pass a drug test or if I'm not >intelligent to figure out how to pass a test for pot. > >Maybe I'm wrong, but we'll see. Too bad there isn't a database on the >web with people's experiences with specific companies - if there is >one I couldn't find it. Maybe I'll start one. There are websites out there (thevault.com was mentioned, I think). It's probably pretty safe to bet that most companies don't conduct random testing unless they have to (i.e., for public safety requirements) but Neil's point (and one I agree with) is the issue of drug testing tells you something about the "character" of the company - do they think they own you or do they view you as a valued employee? Companies that test their employees are wrong, IMO, and I won't work for one of them. >And I don't have to worry about hard drugs - never touch the stuff >unless you count alcohol as a hard drug, which it definitely is >compared to pot. > >About 10 years ago, I had an offer from a company that actually told >me they'd waive the pre-employment test. Even though they would have >paid more than 2 other offers I had, I didn't take it just because I >didn't think they were the best job for me. > >> >>Peace, >>Neil X. > > >Thanks for the real-life experience - much better than being told the >company is right to test me or that I should just look for a different >job. > >I have no problem with them firing me if I'm incompetent - I know I'm >not, but I think it's just ridiculous that I could lose out on a good >opportunity for something I smoked weeks ago - while I was on >vacation, I might add. > >I'm determined to beat the system even if I have to give in to it >temporarily. I suspect the clause in the app saying I'd be willing to >submit to testing is 'for-cause' - in my case, that would have to be >showing up for work drunk or obviously stoned I think - I'm not >operating any heavy machinery unless you count computers. > >But even if it is random, if I can use the dehydrated stuff once, I >think I'll be able to do it again - they gotta give me a little time >to get to the testing facility. ------------------------------ From: "marklaw" Subject: 10/27/05 dilemma Date: 19 Oct 2005 13:21:46 -0700 Go to Ratdag show at the Riv or stay at home and watch the White Sox in the World Series? I have tickets for the former but not the latter. Tough call, possibly to be decided by the won/loss record at the time. Hate to miss the clincher, but also hate to miss RD, especially after purchasing the tickets. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: 9/21/72 download Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:25:38 GMT The new Dix Pix 36 Sept/72 Philadelphia has been pulled from the Archives...BUT...can still be downloaded from GD live check it http://www.gdlive.com/shn/gd72-9-21.shnf/ ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: audio extraction questions Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:41:16 -0400 On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:27:17 GMT, "Bill" wrote: > >"seraphim" wrote >> >> As far as I know EAC is used IF the original source is a cd be it a silver >> or whatever ... >> that audio is captured then SHN or FLAC is applied after that >> EAC is not needed...you can use whatever cd burning copying software is >> available ...make sure to check the md5 so the files were acurately >> copied > >But if I'm doing a copy of an shn disc, won't the copy disc just contain a >copy of the original md5 file? That md5 file on the copy disc, it seems, >wouldn't tell me anything about the copy disc, it would apply only to the >data on the original disc. The MD5 file acts as a "checksum" - it validates whether the data files have been corrupted or not. Now, it's theoretically possible that both the data files and the MD5 file could be corrupted in such a way that the data files "pass" the MD5 check, but that's highly unlikely. The assumption is to go with the idea that the MD5 file has stayed uncorrupted and it will detect any data files that have been corrupted. >> ......It very frowned upon to reFLAC or reSHN a file after it has been >> decoded please don't do that ..it is redundant and can create errors > >No I'm not interested in doing that. I'm just trying to make sure that the >copy I make of a flac or shn disc is the same as the original shn or flac >disc. And also that the audio bits I'm extracting off my hard drive (after I >convert shn files to wav files that will go on a blank CD) is an exact copy >of what's on my hard drive. > >If EAC is needed to extract data accurately off a CD, it would seem a >similarly accurate program would be needed to extract data off a data disc >or hard drive. > No, you don't need anything like EAC to extract data off a CD or hard drive, the data file formats contain error correction that eliminates the need for something like EAC. You need EAC for audio CDs because the audio CD data stream doesn't contain any error correction protocol. If something like EAC was needed to copy data off a hard drive we'd all be in lots of trouble. Think of it another way - computer data (as opposed to audio CD bits and bytes) has the error correction of EAC built into it. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: 9/21/72 download Date: 19 Oct 2005 13:44:18 -0700 /Begin Gomer Pyle Well, Gollllllllllllllllleee End Gomer Pyle/ Damn, and I forked over the $$ for this one. Theresa ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: 10/27/05 dilemma Date: 19 Oct 2005 13:45:34 -0700 Uuuhh, don't listen to the radio/news and record the game. Watch the game after the show. Theresa ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:02:12 -0400 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > There are no conservatives anywhere to be found in either the Bush > administration or the Republican congressional leadership. > > Pirates, profiteers, government growers, used car salesmen selling corporate > welfare for contributions, crooks, criminals, and nation builders. > > That's who is running the country into the ground right now. And many > actual conservatives are getting sick and tired of it. That's not just a nervous twitch due to their insanity and mental illness?!?! Matt ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: Are you working in the same field you majored in college? Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:03:31 GMT Career path: Sc.B. in Computer Science -> Computer Systems Programmer -> MBA in Marketing -> Corporate Market Manager/Product Manager -> Music School -> -> Songwriter/Stay-at-home Dad ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: White House Indictment vigil(NDC) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:07:41 -0700 Bush knew. Time for conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges all around for the Bush League. Happy Fitzmas! http://nydailynews.com/front/story/357107p-304312c.html Bush whacked Rove on CIA leak BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF An exultant President Bush appeared to whisper to his top aide Karl Rove as they headed for Indiana in July. WASHINGTON - An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News. "He made his displeasure known to Karl," a presidential counselor told The News. "He made his life miserable about this." Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world. As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nears a decision, perhaps as early as today, on whether to issue indictments in his two-year probe, Bush has already circled the wagons around Rove, whose departure would be a grievous blow to an already shell-shocked White House staff and a President in deep political trouble. Asked if he believed indictments were forthcoming, a key Bush official said he did not know, then added: "I'm very concerned it could go very, very badly." "Karl is fighting for his life," the official added, "but anything he did was done to help George W. Bush. The President knows that and appreciates that." Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to the press about the Plame leak. Bush has always known that Rove often talks with reporters anonymously and he generally approved of such contacts, one source said. But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger. A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President. "Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way," the source said. None of these sources offered additional specifics of what Bush and Rove discussed in conversations beginning shortly after the Justice Department informed the White House in September 2003 that a criminal investigation had been launched into the leak of CIA agent Plame's identity to columnist Robert Novak. A White House spokesman declined to comment, citing the ongoing nature of Fitzgerald's investigation. ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... Date: 19 Oct 2005 14:45:52 -0700 Walter. he is also defending foreign terrorists, something other conservatives generally don't do, and never did in the Cold War. Seth, I don't think my posts are pseudo-intellectual. It isn't name calling to point out that you don't always have patience in following arguments of people you don't agree with. Not that there's anything wrong in that. Passion is more important than a lot of mumbly jumbly wordiness and any thought that can't fit on a bumper sticker is probably some insane, conservative mind-trick. Walter, Joe, etc. I confess Roberts may have something--ZOG may be pretty much running this country, although I don't believe it. But hey, there is no reason shouldn't appreciate your point of view, a fighting anti-dhinger message: THE IRAQ WAR IS WRONG--in the best new really cool anti-war blog that just lays it out and I'm sure you guys will appreciate: http://iraqwarwrong.blogspot.com/ BUSH LIED. PEOPLE DIED. ------------------------------ From: jwadetjpp@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 10/27/05 dilemma Date: 19 Oct 2005 14:50:39 -0700 Take portable TV/radio with headphones to Ratdog. Then cheer very boisterously when they hit a run during the quiet part of Looks Like Rain. ------------------------------ From: "Bill Spencer" Subject: Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:55:53 GMT You can't afford them. "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1129665953.543182.116630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Olompali4 wrote: > > >> >> EC, Winwood, Baker & Lesh! > > > Now THERE'S a super-group!!! Where do I get a tx?!?! ;D > > > Rick > ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .