From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #606 Dead-Flames Digest #606, Volume #48 Tue, 18 Oct 05 13:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (DB) Re: Happiness is . . . (greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com) Re: Happiness is . . . (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (jwadetjpp@yahoo.com) Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish ("Andrew Murawa") Re: The Colberr Raporr (NDC) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Tahoe reccomendations? ("Greg Sasso") Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Bottle Brush must go... ("Andrew Murawa") Re: First show/last show ("Eli Renfro") Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (so stupendous living in this tube) Re: Happiness is . . . (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? (DB) Re: so...who owns a "hippy store" here? (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Are you working in the same field you majored in college? (supineinsd@gmail.com) Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) (Brad Greer) Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (so stupendous living in this tube) Re: so...who owns a "hippy store" here? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish ("LP") Re: First show/last show (Wayne) Re: First show/last show ("pookietooth") Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? ("Schmoe") Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (DB) Re: Amazing Band for your wedding or party! ("Schmoe") Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? (jomcguire1@yahoo.com) Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (Ben) Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (Ben) Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish ("LP") Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (Ben) Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish (Ben) Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? (jomcguire1@yahoo.com) Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? ("Olompali4") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:03:02 -0400 greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > > joker4153@comcast.net wrote: > > Just where the hell do I get one of these drug testing jobs, anyway?!!? > > I'm ready! > > > > Larry > > I think sometimes they actually want to watch you pee. > > That would be a lousy job unless you were gay. > > . Whenever I had to take a piss test for my DOT physical card (required to drive trucks interstate), the doctor was in the restroom and it was shirt off and pants to the knees. He didn't go peering around to see my johnson, so I think it was just to make sure there were no plastic bladders hidden in the clothing. It's been almost 15 years since my last one, so things might have changed because of all the new devices that are being sold on the interenet. I've been thinking about doing some occasional driving for a bit of extra pocket money, so perhaps I'll get to find out at some point in the next couple months. ~Ted ------------------------------ From: DB Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:21:13 -0400 Olompali4 wrote: >>Perhaps it was their reputation for silliness >>and wacky lyrics. > > > Perhaps? That is exactly the weakness of Phish music. > But then, I'm one of those that thinks Zappa pissed away half of his > genius on the exact same thing. > Humor can belong in music but the joke gets stale really quick. > Live, it's a lot of fun..on a recording, after the first three spins, > silliness can become a waste. > Spike Jones on the box? Fairly forgotten. > I'll take The Grateful Dead's many, many tales of mortality and hope. > When Phish shut up and played, they could be pretty damn good. The 45 minute Mr. Completely jam from Utah in July 2003 is pretty mind blowing as was the entire IT Festival which ended the Summer of 2003 tour. That was one of the best concerts I ever attended. Phish was fun. However, when it comes to taking along one show on a long road trip, Live Phish would not be what I reach for. I voted for DP 14 -- Boston Nov/Dec. '73. That has always been one of my favorites both in terms of performance and sound quality. DB ------------------------------ From: greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Happiness is . . . Date: 18 Oct 2005 11:25:34 -0700 Because that is the only place with no TV! .. ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: Happiness is . . . Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:26:04 GMT greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > Why do people read while engaged in that activity? Because it's better than counting the hairs on your thighs ? A magazine stand next to the crapper is an essential part of elegant living. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: jwadetjpp@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: 18 Oct 2005 11:32:11 -0700 That was easy. I picked DP 29 because it is six discs. That and it is a damn fine selection of shows. ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:38:06 -0700 "DB" wrote in message news:dj39ku$1l3$1@eri0.s8.isp.nyc.eggn.net... > You decide. http://jambands.com/ is running the following poll and > disturbingly, Live Phish has three of the top 5 spots. Come on > folks, go and vote. > > DB > > > Question: Here’s a variant on our last question that focuses on the > Grateful Dead and Phish: If you had to grab one live album for a road > trip from the list that follows, which one would you choose? > > (We’ll take the top choices and move them to the next round) I took Dick's Picks 10 because I haven't heard it in awhile... ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: The Colberr Raporr (NDC) Date: 18 Oct 2005 11:42:17 -0700 And I fell asleep just as it came on. I'll try again tonight. ------------------------------ From: "Greg Sasso" Subject: Re: Tahoe reccomendations? Date: 18 Oct 2005 11:42:51 -0700 Considering I don't even have my own place yet, I don't think I can offer up non-existant space. But, once the season starts and I actually know what's going on, we could probably work someting out. Thanks for the reccomendations everyone. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:20:26 -0400 Olompali4 wrote: > > >Perhaps it was their reputation for silliness > > and wacky lyrics. > > Perhaps? That is exactly the weakness of Phish music. > But then, I'm one of those that thinks Zappa pissed away half of his > genius on the exact same thing. > Humor can belong in music but the joke gets stale really quick. > Live, it's a lot of fun..on a recording, after the first three spins, > silliness can become a waste. When I was first getting into Zappa, I liked the comedy songs (or the ones that had "fuck" in the lyrics), but as I got older, I found myself listening almost exclusively to his intrumental stuff -- especially after 'You Are What You Is" came out. There were some clever songs on that one, but the non-stop religion bashing became tedious. > Spike Jones on the box? Fairly forgotten. > I'll take The Grateful Dead's many, many tales of mortality and hope. ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: Bottle Brush must go... Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:42:55 -0700 "DG" wrote in message news:tio8l1pivn9tbqmqkvjt6d0o9b20clbve5@4ax.com... > The bottle brush is being chopped down because the flowers clog the > neighbor's pool filter. The roses will be trained to fill in the > space. > > The Eureka lemon is fruiting heavily with 30+ lemons. The Improved > Meyer has 10+ lemons. Of the 25 Italian torpedo onions I've planted, > 20 are still strong and doing fine. > > The fig tree trimming has gone well. > > The apple trees need to be pruned next. Is this a Scooter Libby-style coded message? If so, look man, I don't have your doses... Quit botherin' me.... ------------------------------ From: "Eli Renfro" Subject: Re: First show/last show Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:49:55 -0400 First: 5/15/80 Last: 6/24/95 ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: 18 Oct 2005 11:47:47 -0700 I chose DP 18 because it's got my favorite Scarlet/Fire and there's some real nice jamming on disc 2 (Est, Eyes, PITB, Wheel, PITB, JBG). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:55:38 -0600 From: so stupendous living in this tube Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish >You misspelled "Dave Schools or Oteil Burbridge." I think you're >slipping in your old age... ;-> Greg Sasso wrote: > I love Phish, and Mike Gordon, but if you think he's the best bassist > around you need to put down the pipe. > > Or pass it to me. > Yeah but.....Dave Schools?!?! C'mon. Gimme a break! ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Happiness is . . . Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:29:22 -0400 greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > > Why do people read while engaged in that activity? > > . I've never understood how someone could go in to drop a deuce without something to read. There are no distractions, and you can keep your mind off what you're doing -- plus, if you're doing it at work, it's a good excuse to get some extra time away from the desk. ------------------------------ From: DB Subject: Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:57:40 -0400 Olompali4 wrote: >>If you have to criticize him, at least criticize him for someone he has >>acually done > > > Sheryl Crow? > How about Patti Harrison. George is still spinning in his grave over that one. DB ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: so...who owns a "hippy store" here? Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:35:09 -0400 Nick's Picks wrote: > > i'm looking to pick up a wholesale account for my tie-dyes. > any takers? > they are good...plenty of references here in RMGD to attest to this > claim. > > pictures available on request. > great prices for the workmanship. Have you thought about opening an ebay store where you could list your wares as either sale or auction items? I've had many people bid themselves into spending far more for stuff than it was worth. You could also probably turn a tidy profit by selling on craigslist. Best of all...that's a completely free way to do it. ~Ted ------------------------------ From: supineinsd@gmail.com Subject: Re: Are you working in the same field you majored in college? Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:00:06 -0700 My job path: restaurant grunt > Kinkos copy > B.S. in zoology > aquaculture > masters in zoology/biology > neuroscience for the last 10.5 years. Now, getting burned out on science. Wish I could work in the music industry involving software development but wouldn't know where to begin. ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: drug tests for jobs (NDC) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:07:13 -0400 On 18 Oct 2005 05:47:36 -0700, "Dylanstubs" wrote: >Pre-employment drug screening is pretty common. If you're actively job >hunting, it might be a good time to clean out for awhile, and it'll >probably save you a few dollars. > >Random drug testing for existing employees is a different animal, and >usually found where job safety or critical tolerances are a major >concern. If drug use is a part of your life, you should think twice >before hiring into that kind of environment. > >Even though drug testing does suck, I think I'm on the side of the >employer in this case. They have every right to have clean employees. >Lingering effects of drug use can impact job performance, and overall >employee reliability. If you don't like it, work somewhere else. Unless you can provide some proof that smoking a joint on Saturday affects your ability to perform you job on Monday I see no justification for using a standard piss test on employees. What employees do on their free time is their own business. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:13:49 -0600 From: so stupendous living in this tube Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish so stupendous living in this tube wrote: > >You misspelled "Dave Schools or Oteil Burbridge." I think you're > >slipping in your old age... ;-> > > > > > Greg Sasso wrote: > >> I love Phish, and Mike Gordon, but if you think he's the best bassist >> around you need to put down the pipe. >> >> Or pass it to me. >> > > > > Yeah but.....Dave Schools?!?! C'mon. Gimme a break! Oh and my pick would be DP 12. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: so...who owns a "hippy store" here? Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:18:27 -0700 I'll second that voucher. The shirts and tapestries are magnificent. Theresa ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:24:15 -0700 Phish vs. Grateful Dead is a beaten horse. I put significant concert time into both bands and found that they are my 2 favorite live music entities of all time. They both satisfied in different ways. The Grateful Dead will always be the trunk of the tree for me. The roots are wide and varied. And out of all the branches, Phish is by far my favorite. They have honored the GD in word many times as a source of inspiration. LP ------------------------------ From: TunedInDude@webtv.net (Wayne) Subject: Re: First show/last show Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:17:58 -0700 John H. wrote: >It was a pretty good show and Weir was on >acoustic for Round & Round so the transition >From Stella wasn't the massive buzz-kill it could >have been. The band was pretty strong right >around then, they had broken out King Bee in >L.A. a couple of nights before, and I think >Branford had played in LA as well (or was that >12/94?). As good as the setlist was on 12/12/93, their playing seemed sort of lackluster. The shows just previously in LA had a lot more fire. I haven't listened to the show since then so that initial impression might have more to do with me being tired at the time. Wayne ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: First show/last show Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:27:46 -0700 First: 5/30/92 (drumming with lightning show) Last: 5/29/95 ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:32:44 -0400 jomcguire1@yahoo.com wrote: >> Seriously, will this be another Clapton effort to cash in on his past >> glory by charging $300+ per ticket to play his golden oldies? I am >> really disgusted with this Cream business at $375 a ticket for the >> MSG shows and would be surprised and disheartened to see one my >> current guitar heroes Derek Trucks succumb to corporate rock. Don't >> do it Derek! Keep your day job with the DTB and ABB. >> >> DB > > Oh for crying out loud! Cream fans have been demanding this reunion > for ages! Why, why, why is Clapton the most criticized musician on > the face of the planet EVER? No matter what he does. He plays new > songs.....he gets reamed for not playing his hits or not digging into > his back catalog. He plays old songs....he gets reamed for that, > accused of cashing in! There are two other musicians in Cream...it's > a trio...get it? Damn if it's not Clapton that gets the heat for the > ticket prices. Stones, McCartney, Madonna, Eagles,....oh guess they > deserve the big money. > > Let me say this again.........get ready....are you > listening?......okay...... > > THERE WILL BE NO DEREK AND THE DOMINOS TOUR.....NONE. The rumor is > false. Derek joining the tour as part of the band, or as the opening > act is being discussed - BUT NOT AS THE DOMINOS. > > If you have to criticize him, at least criticize him for someone he > has acually done, not for some stupid internet rumor that you are > part of spreading around. But stupid internet rumours are what makes the internet worthwhile. You can only survive on free porn for so long. Take that rage, put it in a big bubble and let it float away. That whine about Clapton being the most criticized musician is absurd. The critique was over the generally outrageous prices being charged by all of these power groups or artists. And as far the rumour being false or not, damn'd if you know. Time will tell and until then, let the rumours fly... ------------------------------ From: DB Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:32:52 -0400 LP wrote: > Phish vs. Grateful Dead is a beaten horse. > > I put significant concert time into both bands and found that they are > my 2 favorite live music entities of all time. They both satisfied in > different ways. > > The Grateful Dead will always be the trunk of the tree for me. The > roots are wide and varied. And out of all the branches, Phish is by far > my favorite. They have honored the GD in word many times as a source of > inspiration. > > LP > OK, so which release did you vote for on Jambands.com? ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: Amazing Band for your wedding or party! Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:34:27 -0400 DB wrote: > ramzi.budayr@gmail.com wrote: >> Hello couples and party planners, >> >> I represent a truly incredible band called Strawberry Lane from NYC, >> composed of a lead singer, 2 guitarists, a bassist, and a drummer. >> These guys started playing when they were in the 8th grade and > > > > pretty soon, they will be in 9th grade. Not if Mrs. Cratchett has anything to say about it! ------------------------------ From: jomcguire1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:41:35 -0700 Olompali4 wrote: > > If you have to criticize him, at least criticize him for someone he has > > acually done > > Sheryl Crow? Okay, LOL at me and my typo! ;) ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:43:04 -0700 On 18 Oct 2005 10:45:04 -0700, "Olompali4" wrote: >But then, I'm one of those that thinks Zappa pissed away half of his >genius on the exact same thing. Who gives a fuck if what they play is somewhat insincere? ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:44:23 -0700 On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:59:09 -0400, DB wrote: >You decide. http://jambands.com/ is running the following poll and >disturbingly, Live Phish has three of the top 5 spots. Come on folks, >go and vote. > That doesn't disturb me at all. You're talking about musicians, not People magazin's best dressed list >DB ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:44:17 -0700 DB wrote: > LP wrote: > > Phish vs. Grateful Dead is a beaten horse. > > > > I put significant concert time into both bands and found that they are > > my 2 favorite live music entities of all time. They both satisfied in > > different ways. > > > > The Grateful Dead will always be the trunk of the tree for me. The > > roots are wide and varied. And out of all the branches, Phish is by far > > my favorite. They have honored the GD in word many times as a source of > > inspiration. > > > > LP > > > > > > OK, so which release did you vote for on Jambands.com? I didn't. And I don't find Phish in the top 5 to be disturbing. Probably it just indicates an even mixture of Deadheads and Phish fans reading jambands.com. If I had to pick ONE live show only to take on a road trip, it would likely be Grateful Dead, because nothing goes with western scenery like the music of the Grateful Dead. Although if the trip was trough Vermont in the fall I might pick Phish. LP ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:45:20 -0700 On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:46:38 -0400, The Lord of Eltingville wrote: >Carlisle wrote: >> >> My first choice would be DP's#25, then #13. >> Sure the Grateful Dead is the stand out groundbreaking band with the >> better songs and lead guitarist. But face it>>Phish could lay down the >> jamz. They've rocked my world and I never even saw the band live, fyi. >> Even Summer 2004 gets rotation because they had the funk so down and >> nobody is better on bass than MG!! > >You misspelled "Dave Schools or Oteil Burbridge." I think you're >slipping in your old age... ;-> You misspelled Alphonse Johnson, although at least you can spell Oteil > > >> >> Part of the animosity stems from the fact that Phish became the "Jam >> Masters" in the 90's when most of us were past our initial >> impressionable open-minded youth. Yeah even me, I was out of college by >> '91 and Phish just wasn't a factor. So my own hipster girlfriend from >> NYC referred to Phish as "kiddie music" although the four members of >> the band are our seniors. Perhaps it was their reputation for silliness >> and wacky lyrics. Oh well, I'll take a parody or some mythical >> non-sense. It's all a matter of taste. >> Thoughts? >> Carrie ------------------------------ From: Ben Subject: Re: Dicks Picks vs. Live Phish Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:50:43 -0700 On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:20:26 -0400, The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > >When I was first getting into Zappa, I liked the comedy songs (or the >ones that had "fuck" in the lyrics), but as I got older, I found myself >listening almost exclusively to his intrumental stuff -- especially >after 'You Are What You Is" came out. There were some clever songs on >that one, but the non-stop religion bashing became tedious. At work last week, I had to set up VPN access on the firewall for 2 new employees. Their first names just happened to be Jim and Tammy (I swear I'm not making this up). I didn't think anything of it until I wrote an email saying that I had set up access for "Jim and Tammy". Some of the religious bashing was tedious after a couple listens, but Dumb All Over is still all too relevant ------------------------------ From: jomcguire1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:51:36 -0700 Schmoe wrote: That whine about Clapton being the most > criticized musician is absurd. The critique was over the generally > outrageous prices being charged by all of these power groups or artists. And > as far the rumour being false or not, damn'd if you know. Time will tell and > until then, let the rumours fly... No it wasn't. "Clapton cashing in on past glories" translates to generally outrageous prices how? I'll tell you what I do know. I know Derek recorded with Eric and JJ Cale. I know that Eric is planning a tour next year. I know he's putting a band together for that tour. I know he's has discussed Derek being a part of that tour. And, I know that it will not be a Yardbirds tour, a Bluesbreakers tour, a Cream tour, a Delaney and Bonnie tour and it will not be a Dominos tour. ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:55:43 -0700 jomcgui...@yahoo.com wrote: > I'll tell you what I do know. I know Derek recorded with Eric and JJ > Cale. I know that Eric is planning a tour next year. I know he's > putting a band together for that tour. I know he's has discussed Derek > being a part of that tour. And, I know that it will not be a Yardbirds > tour, a Bluesbreakers tour, a Cream tour, a Delaney and Bonnie tour and > it will not be a Dominos tour. A Blind Faith tour then?!?! ;D Rick ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: Re: Clapton/Trucks Tour? Date: 18 Oct 2005 12:59:38 -0700 > A Blind Faith tour then?!?! 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