From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #579 Dead-Flames Digest #579, Volume #48 Fri, 14 Oct 05 10:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed (brew ziggins) Re: Whoa, my kid met a star at the airport... (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed ("Rogues Island's finest") which recordings do you save for "special moments?" ("gb") Re: Whoa, my kid met a star at the airport... ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Spector defense tries to get incriminating statements tossed (NDC) (bigchuck51@aol.com) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (JC Martin) Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed ("pookietooth") Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed ("Bzl.") Re: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" (bigchuck51@aol.com) Re: Pigpen... ("Sparky the Wonder Dog") Re: Local Beer News (NDC) - Belgian Ales ("The Iron Muffin") Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed ("uNjoyMiceElf") Re: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" ("Dylanstubs") Re: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" ("Dave Kelly") Re: Local Beer News (NDC) - Belgian Ales (leftie) Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed (DG) Re: Local Beer News (NDC) - Belgian Ales ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" ("Carlisle") Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (Sherry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:10:32 -0400 Thus spake bonejak2@aol.com... > http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15386680&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=6 WTF's going on here? Incidents were always mellow, hippy-happy scenes, and it's not like they've reached enough Phish-mass to attract the generic concert scum. Then again, it was a Thursday night in Scranton... -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Whoa, my kid met a star at the airport... Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:50:44 -0400 "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" wrote: > > Hey all, my daughter met someone we're all familiar with yesterday. She > was on the same flight bound for Texas with Willie Nelson. For those > who actually give a shit, here's her picture with him. > > http://scarletbgonias.tripod.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=300&linkpath=http://scarletbgonias.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/willieellen.jpg.w300h225.jpg&target=tlx_new > > Proud Mama So did she get to enjoy some of Willie's world reknowned stuff (other than his music). It sure looks like he enoyed a smokey treat or two shortly before that photo was taken. I'd probably come out of retirement if that opportunity ever presented itself to me. BTW, his new release, "Countryman," is fantastic... ~Ted ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: A Conservative viewpoint.... Date: 14 Oct 2005 08:21:47 -0700 Follow-up: The problem, my initial observation, is that the Roberts column is not a good jumping off-point for a thread on civil liberties, as, yes, in my opinion, its particular reading of the conservative tradition (embedded in the history of American conservatism since the late 40's in the United States and, most particularly the conflict between its various wings from Nixon onwards) leads to a very tendentous reading of the Stewart case; as noted I believe that his summary of the situation as "Stewart represented her client in ways disapproved by prosecutors. Stewart was indicted, tried, and convicted of providing material support to terrorists"--as being misleading, giving the impression to readers such as yourself that Stewart was thrown in the hoosegow for rising to her feet and shouting out "I object" one too many times. That is, your response to my cautionary note, your acceptance of his (carefully, if, in a sense, sincerely crafted) picture of her client as, vaguely, an "activist" and his lawyer as a wrongly accused "activist", illustrated why I had posted it in the first place. For Roberts obscured the fact that her client, Rahman, was, a professional "terrorist"--the generality of his exposition gave no hint that Rahman was accused of being a nuts and bolt lets-hit-that-target kind of guy; without getting into a debate as to whether shooting tourists to the Pharaohnic temples or blowing up the World Trade Center is "freedom fighting", Roberts avoided any specifics in describing Rahman, leaving the reader with a very vague impression as to what he was convicted of in the first place, or indeed, that he HAD been convicted. The reader was free to assume that he was only a very impassioned editorial writer or social activist--not the case. By keeping vague what her client did, Roberts' exposition kept vague and open to the imagination what his lawyer, Ms. Stewart did. An argument purporting to demonstrate the erosion of civil liberties, in order to be pursuasive, simply omitted the concrete specifics of the individuals being cited. You could never learn from reading this argument alone, that Stewart's client was already convicted of operational criminality and that she was charged and convicted not for advocacy but for helping this convicted felon continue his activities. CNN summarizes Rahman's conviction: "Rahman, 66, is serving a life sentence after being convicted in 1995 of conspiring to bomb bridges, tunnels and landmark buildings in Manhattan. Followers of the sheik were among the terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993." Note also, that. whatever the underlying issues, Stewart directly violated an agreement she had made with the Bureau of Prisons. The CNN summary of the evidence on which she was convicted: ======== Prosecution showed surveillance tapes The government's case against Stewart, Yousry and Sattar revolved around meetings in a Minnesota prison with Rahman in 2000 and 2001. After Rahman's conviction, Stewart visited him about three times a year. Rahman was kept in solitary confinement and denied visitors, except for his lawyer and immediate family, who did not visit from overseas. Stewart had signed an agreement with the Bureau of Prisons to abide by restrictions that prohibited disclosure of their conversations and distribution of messages from Rahman to third parties. But on at least one occasion, she appeared to flout those rules. During the trial, prosecutors played surveillance tape of a two-day May 2000 visit by Stewart to show she provided cover for Yousry as he relayed Islamic Group messages to Rahman, including a Sattar letter seeking guidance on whether the group should continue a "cease-fire" of terrorist activities against Egypt's government. Prosecutors said Stewart tried to distract prison guards to cover conversations between Yousry and Rahman. Rahman's captivity in the United States had become a rallying point for Islamic militants around the world, including al Qaeda and its leader, Osama bin Laden. ======== I would not spend my time arguing about the principles espoused by Rahman and Stewart and passed over by Roberts' very unexplicit treatment. I do not believe that there is any justification from culture, or oppression, or religion, for deliberately murdering noncombatants who are non-believers in a specific thread of Islamist discourse or who are by ideological six-degrees-of-separation considered to be complicit in whatever injustice these guys perceive: being a tourist in Bali, or a tourist--or rock performer, if it comes to that--in Cairo, or a Jew or American imperialist going to work in downtown NYC. I would wager, however, that the casual reader of Roberts' column would not know that Rahman DID hold this kind of ideology and that Stewart not only was a zealous defender of his right to hold these beliefs but was complicit, according to the courts, in helping him maintain hands-on tabs of his affiliates after his conviction. ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed Date: 14 Oct 2005 08:29:37 -0700 brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake bonejak2@aol.com... > > http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15386680&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=6 > > WTF's going on here? Incidents were always mellow, hippy-happy scenes, > and it's not like they've reached enough Phish-mass to attract the > generic concert scum. Unfortunately there is a small but noticable dirtbag wook element who've been following SCI around for the last few years. In NH they even set up a faux Katrina/wook charity begging scheme near the entrance. What the hell kind of drugs do you need to be on to jump on stage and grab Santa Nershi's balls?? Mark ------------------------------ From: "gb" Subject: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:34:12 -0400 I think we all have a few recordings that we don't put in the player casually. I know I have one or two that I only listen to under special circumstances. If other people are going to be around chatting, forget it. I need to be able to turn it up loud. And, of course, I need to be in the proper "frame of mind." ;) Even then, I don't like to listen to it very much, so it is more special when I do. The one I'm thinking, I probably listen to it once ever 2 years or so. For me, it's the Help-Slip-Frank-Women-Eyes found on Niagra Falls 4-17-84. There is something special about this show. I can't put my finger on it. But if you listen to the Slipknot in particular, I think you'll agree, it's like no other. I just had the occasion to go through the ritual and put it in the player. I was blown away once again. So I guess part of this post is a recommendation to listen to that set sometime, but don't just plop it in your player when you have other things going on. But I'm also wondering, do y'all have recordings that you treat in a special way like this? Like you actually will not listen to it, unless the circumstances and settings are all in place? Which shows? ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Whoa, my kid met a star at the airport... Date: 14 Oct 2005 08:31:24 -0700 scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: > Nah, I don't think he's too tall. Well, he is fond of getting small. Mark ------------------------------ From: bigchuck51@aol.com Subject: Re: Spector defense tries to get incriminating statements tossed (NDC) Date: 14 Oct 2005 08:36:07 -0700 > In a recently filed defense brief, attorney Bruce Cutler claimed that > Spector, > 64, ``was experiencing symptoms of withdrawal from his medications, which > could > include hallucinations, forgetfulness, serious fatigue, and/or slurring.'' ....shooting people in the face... ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:38:07 GMT Richard Morris wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:8fC3f.2330$Aw.41893@typhoon.sonic.net... > >>Richard Morris wrote: >> >>>"JC Martin" wrote in message >>>news:nYB3f.2320$Aw.41877@typhoon.sonic.net... >>> >>>snip >>> >>>JC writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>These all very boorish and petty hot button words used to build walls >>>>rather than promote understanding between people. I support you're >>>>right to use them, but repeating what everyone else says isn't going to >>>>move your argument ahead very far. Admittedly, this is the kind of >>>>America that I am most sickened by. The lack of critical thought and >>>>our addiction to getting one up on the other for the purpose of what? I >>>>don't. Ego I suppose. >>>> >>>>-JC >>>> >>> >>> >>>And then, in an effort to promote understanding between people, in a fit >>>of critical thought, he writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Anymore red herring to cut out and nitpick? >>> >>> >>>Yep, ego. The cry of the I, JC ... you are right. But being right, and >>>in turn doing right by practicing what one promotes has always been the >>>human challenge. >> >> >>Well thanks for your input Richard. I'm the better man for it. > > > And that is the whole point, JC. Out of one side of your mouth, you talk > about promoting understanding and having civil debate. Out of the other > side of your mouth, you can be the most uncivil, misunderstanding, sarcastic > mother fucker on this group. > > The civil guy is bright and interesting, and I like him. The smart ass, the > "I'm a better man for it", I don't. > > Trouble is, you never know who you are getting. > > And yep, I realize that you didn't ask for my feedback. And I stipulate > right up front that it is your right to pass it off. Thing is, I don't give > feedback to people I don't care about. But I quit caring when it is > received with indifference. So I will see your indifference, and raise you > two "I don't give a shits" and a *LOL*. > > Sayonara, you all. Well, you have a right to express these opinion and fact is, I would never hold it against you. You care about me? Well, you could always send me a private email and bring up any point you think I should consider. I can't but respond to sarcasm when the game is one-upsmanship...even if that wasn't your intent, it's easy enough for me to interpret it that way. Also, you're inconsistent on who you choose to go after. For instance, you never once criticized Sherry for her absolutist opinion on ADD/ADHD and her insistence that I and others were misinformed cause she LIVES IT. Fact is, she was misinformed on several aspects of that subject. But because you generally agree with her overall position, it was okay to ignore that. And the way I see it is that you're holding a grudge because I stood my ground. Am I perfectly civil? Hell no. In political discussion, I expect participants to respect other opinions, cause that's the only way to learn something about people. Of course, if someone makes it personal, I don't always respond the right way. Gettin' better though. Some people just rub me the wrong way with their tactics and the dishonesty they bring to the table. -JC ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed Date: 14 Oct 2005 08:53:41 -0700 brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake bonejak2@aol.com... > > http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15386680&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=6 > > WTF's going on here? Incidents were always mellow, hippy-happy scenes, > and it's not like they've reached enough Phish-mass to attract the > generic concert scum. > > Then again, it was a Thursday night in Scranton... > Scranton! Awesome! What's the next stop; Nutley, New Jersey? I think they need a new tour manager. ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:54:38 -0400 "brew ziggins" wrote in message news:MPG.1db994761dceca94989819@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > Thus spake bonejak2@aol.com... >> http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15386680&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=6 > > WTF's going on here? Incidents were always mellow, hippy-happy scenes, > and it's not like they've reached enough Phish-mass to attract the > generic concert scum. > > Then again, it was a Thursday night in Scranton... > > -- > bruce higgins ithaca ny > most of the day, we were at the machinery The guy was meerly trying to prove that SCI ain't got balls (as if listening wasn't enough!) ------------------------------ From: bigchuck51@aol.com Subject: Re: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" Date: 14 Oct 2005 09:01:42 -0700 for me it has always been 4/26/69, not the best sounding recording but a lot of passion. The Dew is the best IMO, followed by a killer SOTOTW and a whole buncha other good stuff that were left off DP26. Check it out. ------------------------------ From: "Sparky the Wonder Dog" Subject: Re: Pigpen... Date: 14 Oct 2005 09:02:00 -0700 PIgpen's raps, his style, were very helpful the band in the 60's without getting into his total influence (Jerry commenting that the real Grateful Dead died with Pig) --his rap to "Caution"--"I went down one day, I went down to see the gypsy women, yes, I did"--is another example, with Alligator, of how he could put a r'n'b front to music that went wiggy around the edges. In a closed hall the effect could be overwhelming. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: Local Beer News (NDC) - Belgian Ales Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:13:49 -0400 scarletbgonias wrote: > Actually Steve, since I've been working there on Saturdays, I > continually set records for beer sales. I hold the record with $2,146 > worth of beer sales in three hours. Holy CRAP!!! -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "uNjoyMiceElf" Subject: Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed Date: 14 Oct 2005 09:07:25 -0700 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > Unfortunately there is a small but noticable dirtbag wook element > who've been following SCI around for the last few years. the ball grabber was a local ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" Date: 14 Oct 2005 09:14:19 -0700 2/27/69 for those times when I'm alone with a Glamour magazine . . . ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:16:56 GMT "Dylanstubs" wrote in message news:1129306459.559105.318240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > 2/27/69 for those times when I'm alone with a Glamour magazine . . . GLAMOUR? Did ya zip up? GLAMOUR? Jerry Sweetbac ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Local Beer News (NDC) - Belgian Ales Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:27:04 -0700 scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: > The brewery I work for part time... You work for a brewery *and* love baseball? Be still my beating heart.... (How do you feel about bluegrass?) ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: SCI's nershi gets balls grabbed Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:31:37 -0700 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > >brew ziggins wrote: >> Thus spake bonejak2@aol.com... >> > http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15386680&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=6 >> >> WTF's going on here? Incidents were always mellow, hippy-happy scenes, >> and it's not like they've reached enough Phish-mass to attract the >> generic concert scum. > >Unfortunately there is a small but noticable dirtbag wook element >who've been following SCI around for the last few years. There has always been a noticable dirtbag wook element in the concert scene. >In NH they >even set up a faux Katrina/wook charity begging scheme near the >entrance. What the hell kind of drugs do you need to be on to jump on >stage and grab Santa Nershi's balls?? The kind of drugs that make you think someone won't do that to you. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: Local Beer News (NDC) - Belgian Ales Date: 14 Oct 2005 09:32:19 -0700 leftie wrote: > scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: > > The brewery I work for part time... > > You work for a brewery *and* love baseball? > > Be still my beating heart.... > > > (How do you feel about bluegrass?) I like bluegrass, especially Old and in the Way ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: which recordings do you save for "special moments?" Date: 14 Oct 2005 09:56:15 -0700 Recordings for "special moments"?? Oh let me count the ways!! Reckoning never fails me. But for those heady moments when I'm alone with a Maxim, Men's Quarterly, GQ what have you, I might give The Pizza Tapes a spin. Yeah, that would be appropriate. Rosalee McFall ------------------------------ Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... From: Sherry Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:58:00 GMT > Also, you're inconsistent on who you > choose to go after. For instance, you never once criticized Sherry for > her absolutist opinion on ADD/ADHD and her insistence that I and others > were misinformed cause she LIVES IT. Fact is, she was misinformed on > several aspects of that subject. But because you generally agree with > her overall position, it was okay to ignore that. And you have YET to show me where it is these droves of parents who drug their kids are - no proof, just bla bla bla from you. I live it. Every day, as does my son. I was mistaken about the ability of a brain scan being an absolute to test for ADHD, but that brain scan DID help determine my son has it. I know a hell of a lot more about ADHD and living with it, treatments for it, and parents of kids with it, than you ever will, unless you've started a serious course in the study of it. You're just talking out your ass. So - where is your proof that parents are drugging their kids right and left without any reason to do so? Where's your proof that ritalin will make "normal" kids behave? I stick by what I said - there isn't any proof, because ritalin and other drugs used to treat ADHD will not work to calm kids who haven't got ADHD. I DO know what I am talking about because I LIVE it. I think it's fair to say you sound like an asshole when arguing about it, because you don't know a damn thing about it. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .