From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #573 Dead-Flames Digest #573, Volume #48 Thu, 13 Oct 05 17:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: why baseball sucks? ("Andrew Murawa") (NDC): Hospital patient taken to face U.S. marijuana charge ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Is anybody tracking this SEXUAL PREDATOR? -OR IS TOM SNEDDON TOO BUSY? (zzzpeace@yahoo.com) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (JC Martin) Re: (NDC): Hospital patient taken to face U.S. marijuana charge (band beyond description) Re: why baseball sucks? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (JC Martin) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (leftie) Re: your favorite road trip songs? favorite blaster song? (Rich) Re: Hey Brew... (band beyond description) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (JC Martin) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (JC Martin) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (leftie) Spontaneous Bush...... (Walter Karmazyn) Re: Spontaneous Bush...... ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: New Job! ("marklaw") Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (JC Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: why baseball sucks? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:26:34 -0700 "JC Martin" wrote in message news:H1C3f.2322$Aw.41907@typhoon.sonic.net... > bill c wrote: >> "JC Martin" wrote in message >> news:ybv3f.2270$Aw.40824@typhoon.sonic.net... >> >>>bill c wrote: >>> >>>>"imsjry" wrote in message >>>>news:1129210668.080769.230870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bzl. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>I only saw the telecast live as it happened and the subsequent >>>>>>>replays >>>>>>>before the game ended, with Rick Sutcliffe saying the Angels were >>>>>>>robbed by a flat-out wrong call. Did they really show it later >>>>>>>to be >>>>>>>hitting the ground? >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>Peace, >>>>>>>Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>No, just Chicagoans' wishful thinking. >>>>> >>>>>Not wishful thinking. Sox win!! >>>>> >>>> >>>>not a chicagoan and not wishful thinking....check the replay and >>>>you'll >> >> see >> >>>>the ball takes a short hop into the glove. >>> >>> >>>You're wrong. The ball hops, but it hops within the glove. The >>>glove >>>was *clearly* under the ball from the get-go. Personally, I don't >>>care >>>who wins, but it was indeed a bad call. >>> >>>-JC >> >> >> so what your proposing is that although a catchers mitt has all of >> 3-4 " of >> webbing, not only did paul >> back-hand the ball but got that small amount of webbing underneath >> the ball >> as well...dubious at best > > > > I just saw it again. Sorry man, but the glove is clearly under the > ball. The ball pushed up a little, but you didn't see it hit > dirt...cause if didn't. Just another one of the great things about sports, arguing over blown calls... I've seen the extra super up-close Fox replay and while prior to seeing that, was sure that it was caught, after seeing it I was equally sure that it bounced when hitting the catcher's glove... At best, it was a trap... As to the umpires behavior during and after this play, I can't really defend them... ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: (NDC): Hospital patient taken to face U.S. marijuana charge Date: 13 Oct 2005 16:31:58 -0700 http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/13/patient.arrest.ap/index.html Hospital patient taken to face U.S. marijuana charge Lawyer: 'This is totally inhumane' Thursday, October 13, 2005; Posted: 9:17 a.m. EDT (13:17 GMT) SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- An Army veteran who fled to Canada to avoid prosecution for growing marijuana to treat his chronic pain was taken from a hospital, driven to the border with a catheter still attached, and turned over to U.S. officials, his lawyer said. Steven W. Tuck then went five days with no medical treatment and only ibuprofen for the pain, the attorney said. Tuck, 38, was still fitted with the urinary catheter when he shuffled into federal court Wednesday for a detention hearing Wednesday. "This is totally inhumane. He's been tortured for days for no reason," Hiatt said. U.S. Magistrate Judge James P. Donohue ordered Tuck temporarily released so he could be taken to a hospital for treatment. But by the time Donohoe issued his order, King County Jail officials had received a detainment request from Humboldt County, California, so Tuck was not released Wednesday, Hiatt said. "I can't believe we've run into another snag here," the lawyer said. Tuck suffered debilitating injuries in the 1980s when his parachute failed to open during a jump. Those injuries were exacerbated by a car crash in 1990, Hiatt said, and Tuck was using marijuana for chronic pain. In 2001, while Tuck was living in McKinleyville, California, his marijuana operation was raided for the second time. He fled to British Columbia to avoid prosecution but asylum was denied. Tuck checked last Friday into a Vancouver hospital for prostate problems and was arrested there by Canadian authorities. Richard Cowan, a friend, said he was with Tuck at the hospital when authorities arrested him. "I would not believe it unless I had seen it," Cowan said. "They sent people in to arrest him while he was on a gurney. They took him out of the hospital in handcuffs, put him in an SUV, and drove him to the border." Tuck was turned over to Whatcom County Jail officials, who called federal marshals. The marshals took him to the King County Jail in Seattle. Although Tuck has taken morphine -- as prescribed by doctors -- for about 16 years to help with his pain, he was given no painkiller or treatment at the jail other than ibuprofen, Hiatt said. Tuck appeared emaciated in court, and Hiatt said he had been sick from morphine withdrawal. King County Jail officials did not return a call seeking comment, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had no comment. Tuck is charged federally with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. Donohue agreed to release him on the condition that he face the charge in the Northern District of California upon his release from the hospital. The Supreme Court ruled in June that people who smoke marijuana because their doctors recommend it to ease pain can be prosecuted for violating federal drug laws, even in states like California that have laws permitting medical marijuana use. ------------------------------ From: zzzpeace@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Is anybody tracking this SEXUAL PREDATOR? -OR IS TOM SNEDDON TOO BUSY? Date: 13 Oct 2005 16:32:14 -0700 Is there a mirror site for that website? ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:36:43 GMT leftie wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> leftie wrote: >> >>> JC Martin wrote: >>> >>>> What's your point though? You have no argument from me that Bin >>>> Laden was a more immediate and primary threat to us than Saddam. >>>> But give Saddam power and the money of an oil rich nation and he's >>>> doubly dangerous. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> History and I had a good laugh at that post. (See the thing is >>> Saddam DID once have the "power and the money of an oil rich nation" >>> and what the US did was declare him an ally, not a threat.) >> >> >> >> >> >> *LOL* >> >> It's like talking to a robot. You really think you're telling me >> something I don't know Leffy? You should well know my position of >> U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East by now. Either your reading >> comprehension is lacking or you're just paranoid and believe that deep >> down inside, I'm really a Dubya guy. The latter wouldn't surprise me. >> Let me make it clear for ya though...the U.S. was dead wrong in making >> Saddam ally. They're dead wrong in making allies with Saudi Arabia >> and Pakistan as well. So again, what's your point? To repeat the >> past possibly? Or maybe to congratulate France, Russia and economic >> driven U.N. for repeating our stupidity? Or maybe just to prove the >> U.S. really is the bad guy, therefore we should all move to the Middle >> East and celebrate the superior Arab culture, right? ### Jesus man, >> get a grip. Must all your views be in lock-step with a bunch of >> political left talking points? Hopefully you see beyond your own >> rhetoric. > > > JC, you seem to think what you type has information in it that does not > appear on the screen. You wrote: "give Saddam power and the money of an > oil rich nation and he's doubly dangerous." There is nothing denoting > time in that sentence. The sentence reads as if Saddam never had that > power. Get it? Ahhh, we're nit-picking again. Saddam never had the power of a nuclear arsenal. And his *growing* power was thwarted by the previous Gulf War and sanctions. I didn't really support the Gulf War way back when. In fact, I remember attending the City Hall protest in SF, where Joan Baez and Mickey Hart played. I think I was wrong in protesting that war. How about yourself? -JC ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: (NDC): Hospital patient taken to face U.S. marijuana charge Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:37:38 +0900 > another fascist Bush administratin hangover miscarriage of "justice" from Ashcroft's time... -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: why baseball sucks? Date: 13 Oct 2005 16:37:35 -0700 frndthdevl wrote: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/10/13/controversy.playoffs/content.1.html?cnn=yes ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:39:48 GMT Richard Morris wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:nYB3f.2320$Aw.41877@typhoon.sonic.net... > > snip > > JC writes: > > >> These all very boorish and petty hot button words used to build walls >>rather than promote understanding between people. I support you're right >>to use them, but repeating what everyone else says isn't going to move >>your argument ahead very far. Admittedly, this is the kind of America >>that I am most sickened by. The lack of critical thought and our >>addiction to getting one up on the other for the purpose of what? I >>don't. Ego I suppose. >> >>-JC >> > > > And then, in an effort to promote understanding between people, in a fit of > critical thought, he writes: > > >>Anymore red herring to cut out and nitpick? > > > Yep, ego. The cry of the I, JC ... you are right. But being right, and in > turn doing right by practicing what one promotes has always been the human > challenge. Well thanks for your input Richard. I'm the better man for it. -JC ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:41:53 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > leftie wrote: > >> JC Martin wrote: >> >>> leftie wrote: >>> >>>> JC Martin wrote: >>>> >>>>> What's your point though? You have no argument from me that Bin >>>>> Laden was a more immediate and primary threat to us than Saddam. >>>>> But give Saddam power and the money of an oil rich nation and he's >>>>> doubly dangerous. >>>> >>>> >>>> History and I had a good laugh at that post. (See the thing is >>>> Saddam DID once have the "power and the money of an oil rich nation" >>>> and what the US did was declare him an ally, not a threat.) >>> >>> *LOL* >>> >>> It's like talking to a robot. You really think you're telling me >>> something I don't know Leffy? You should well know my position of >>> U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East by now. Either your reading >>> comprehension is lacking or you're just paranoid and believe that >>> deep down inside, I'm really a Dubya guy. The latter wouldn't >>> surprise me. Let me make it clear for ya though...the U.S. was dead >>> wrong in making Saddam ally. They're dead wrong in making allies >>> with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as well. So again, what's your >>> point? To repeat the past possibly? Or maybe to congratulate >>> France, Russia and economic driven U.N. for repeating our stupidity? >>> Or maybe just to prove the U.S. really is the bad guy, therefore we >>> should all move to the Middle East and celebrate the superior Arab >>> culture, right? ### Jesus man, get a grip. Must all your views be >>> in lock-step with a bunch of political left talking points? >>> Hopefully you see beyond your own rhetoric. >> >> JC, you seem to think what you type has information in it that does >> not appear on the screen. You wrote: "give Saddam power and the money >> of an oil rich nation and he's doubly dangerous." There is nothing >> denoting time in that sentence. The sentence reads as if Saddam never >> had that power. Get it? > > Ahhh, we're nit-picking again. Saddam never had the power of a nuclear > arsenal. And his *growing* power was thwarted by the previous Gulf War > and sanctions. I didn't really support the Gulf War way back when. In > fact, I remember attending the City Hall protest in SF, where Joan Baez > and Mickey Hart played. I think I was wrong in protesting that war. How > about yourself? No. And the sanctions should have been lifted. But let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that, shall we? ------------------------------ From: Rich Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.classical Subject: Re: your favorite road trip songs? favorite blaster song? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:42:46 -0400 On 12 Oct 2005 15:29:10 -0700, "mook, what's a mook?" wrote: >when you start out on long road trip, what song do you like to blast >off with? > Mississippi Queen - Mountain Chest Fever - The Band Candy-0 - The Cars Rev on the Red Line - Foreigner Where Do We Go From Here? - "Vanishing Point" soundtrack ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Hey Brew... Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:43:52 +0900 On 2005-10-14 00:44:35 +0900, brew ziggins said: > Thus spake mthitch@aol.com... >> Did you happen to hear some outdoor Cheese from your window the other >> night? >> >> Apparently they had a fire alarm at the State and they broke into an >> impromptu acoustic set on the street, short video at this site: > > > SCI hasn't been doing much for me lately, so I was 15 miles away in my > living room grooving to Debashish Bhattacharya's "Calcutta > Slide-Guitar, Vol. 3". > > If you like Steve Kimock and Indian music, I suspect you'd like this CD. Oh, moved on from the 12 cd "Folk Songs of the Glaucoma Impaired Huamachuco Boys Choir of Peru" box set, have we? -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:44:12 GMT leftie wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> You're the one that boasted of his secular ideals after all. > > > I did not "boast" of Hussein's "secular ideals" when I pointed out he > did not run an "Islamic regime" such as Saudi Arabia does. Ummm, you used the word "secular". I did not use the word "Islamofascist". "The fact that > you constantly use loaded and accusatory terms like that makes it > impossible to actually have a rational discussion with you. Grab a mirror and re-read the thread. You're the accusing me of things I never said or cutting a thread away to make it look like I was saying something reactionary. You've also accused me of getting my views from the Bush administration. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:45:47 GMT leftie wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> leftie wrote: >> >>> JC Martin wrote: >>> >>>> leftie wrote: >>>> >>>>> JC Martin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What's your point though? You have no argument from me that Bin >>>>>> Laden was a more immediate and primary threat to us than Saddam. >>>>>> But give Saddam power and the money of an oil rich nation and he's >>>>>> doubly dangerous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> History and I had a good laugh at that post. (See the thing is >>>>> Saddam DID once have the "power and the money of an oil rich >>>>> nation" and what the US did was declare him an ally, not a threat.) >>>> >>>> >>>> *LOL* >>>> >>>> It's like talking to a robot. You really think you're telling me >>>> something I don't know Leffy? You should well know my position of >>>> U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East by now. Either your reading >>>> comprehension is lacking or you're just paranoid and believe that >>>> deep down inside, I'm really a Dubya guy. The latter wouldn't >>>> surprise me. Let me make it clear for ya though...the U.S. was dead >>>> wrong in making Saddam ally. They're dead wrong in making allies >>>> with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as well. So again, what's your >>>> point? To repeat the past possibly? Or maybe to congratulate >>>> France, Russia and economic driven U.N. for repeating our >>>> stupidity? Or maybe just to prove the U.S. really is the bad guy, >>>> therefore we should all move to the Middle East and celebrate the >>>> superior Arab culture, right? ### Jesus man, get a grip. Must all >>>> your views be in lock-step with a bunch of political left talking >>>> points? Hopefully you see beyond your own rhetoric. >>> >>> >>> JC, you seem to think what you type has information in it that does >>> not appear on the screen. You wrote: "give Saddam power and the money >>> of an oil rich nation and he's doubly dangerous." There is nothing >>> denoting time in that sentence. The sentence reads as if Saddam never >>> had that power. Get it? >> >> >> Ahhh, we're nit-picking again. Saddam never had the power of a >> nuclear arsenal. And his *growing* power was thwarted by the previous >> Gulf War and sanctions. I didn't really support the Gulf War way back >> when. In fact, I remember attending the City Hall protest in SF, >> where Joan Baez and Mickey Hart played. I think I was wrong in >> protesting that war. How about yourself? > > > No. And the sanctions should have been lifted. Under certain conditions, yes. >But let's just agree to > disagree and leave it at that, shall we? We shall. -JC ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:48:42 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > You've also accused me of getting my views from > the Bush administration. Not your "views." The terms of debate. There's a difference. ------------------------------ From: Walter Karmazyn Subject: Spontaneous Bush...... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:48:55 -0700 As spontaneous as anything else with this motherfucker... Bush Teleconference With Soldiers Staged By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 13 minutes ago WASHINGTON - It was billed as a conversation with U.S. troops, but the questions President Bush asked on a teleconference call Thursday were choreographed to match his goals for the war in Iraq and Saturday's vote on a new Iraqi constitution. "This is an important time," Allison Barber, deputy assistant defense secretary, said, coaching the soldiers before Bush arrived. "The president is looking forward to having just a conversation with you." Barber said the president was interested in three topics: the overall security situation in Iraq, security preparations for the weekend vote and efforts to train Iraqi troops. As she spoke in Washington, a live shot of 10 soldiers from the Army's 42nd Infantry Division and one Iraqi soldier was beamed into the Eisenhower Executive Office Building from Tikrit — the birthplace of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. "I'm going to ask somebody to grab those two water bottles against the wall and move them out of the camera shot for me," Barber said. A brief rehearsal ensued. "OK, so let's just walk through this," Barber said. "Captain Kennedy, you answer the first question and you hand the mike to whom?" "Captain Smith," Kennedy said. "Captain. Smith? You take the mike and you hand it to whom?" she asked. "Captain Kennedy," the soldier replied. And so it went. "If the question comes up about partnering — how often do we train with the Iraqi military — who does he go to?" Barber asked. "That's going to go to Captain Pratt," one of the soldiers said. "And then if we're going to talk a little bit about the folks in Tikrit — the hometown — and how they're handling the political process, who are we going to give that to?" she asked. Before he took questions, Bush thanked the soldiers for serving and reassured them that the U.S. would not pull out of Iraq until the mission was complete. "So long as I'm the president, we're never going to back down, we're never going to give in, we'll never accept anything less than total victory," Bush said. The president told them twice that the American people were behind them. "You've got tremendous support here at home," Bush said. Less than 40 percent in an AP-Ipsos poll taken in October said they approved of the way Bush was handling Iraq. Just over half of the public now say the Iraq war was a mistake. White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Thursday's event was coordinated with the Defense Department but that the troops were expressing their own thoughts. With satellite feeds, coordination often is needed to overcome technological challenges, such as delays, he said. "I think all they were doing was talking to the troops and letting them know what to expect," he said, adding that the president wanted to talk with troops on the ground who have firsthand knowledge about the situation. The soldiers all gave Bush an upbeat view of the situation. The president also got praise from the Iraqi soldier who was part of the chat. "Thank you very much for everything," he gushed. "I like you." On preparations for the vote, 1st Lt. Gregg Murphy of Tennessee said: "Sir, we are prepared to do whatever it takes to make this thing a success. ... Back in January, when we were preparing for that election, we had to lead the way. We set up the coordination, we made the plan. We're really happy to see, during the preparation for this one, sir, they're doing everything." On the training of Iraqi security forces, Master Sgt. Corine Lombardo from Scotia, N.Y., said to Bush: "I can tell you over the past 10 months, we've seen a tremendous increase in the capabilities and the confidences of our Iraqi security force partners. ... Over the next month, we anticipate seeing at least one-third of those Iraqi forces conducting independent operations." Lombardo told the president that she was in New York City on Nov. 11, 2001, when Bush attended an event recognizing soldiers for their recovery and rescue efforts at Ground Zero. She said the troops began the fight against terrorism in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and were proud to continue it in Iraq. "I thought you looked familiar," Bush said, and then joked: "I probably look familiar to you, too." Paul Rieckhoff, director of the New York-based Operation Truth, an advocacy group for U.S. veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, denounced the event as a "carefully scripted publicity stunt." Five of the 10 U.S. troops involved were officers, he said. "If he wants the real opinions of the troops, he can't do it in a nationally televised teleconference," Rieckhoff said. "He needs to be talking to the boots on the ground and that's not a bunch of captains." ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Spontaneous Bush...... Date: 13 Oct 2005 16:53:48 -0700 Walter Karmazyn wrote: > As spontaneous as anything else with this motherfucker... > Wasn't that horrendous?!?! It was surreal, like a scene from some futuristic negative utopia sci-fi movie!!!!! Rick ------------------------------ From: "marklaw" Subject: Re: New Job! Date: 13 Oct 2005 16:57:47 -0700 This NG needs all the mental health professionals it can get. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:59:16 GMT leftie wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> You've also accused me of getting my views from the Bush administration. > > > Not your "views." The terms of debate. There's a difference. I haven't though. My opinions on Saddam specifically were formed in the 90's. Make no mistake, I've struggled mightedly with these issues, painfully so. I was once a radical of the highest order and a pacifist to boot. As I've grown older, I see evil where I never thought it existed. And I'm incapable of being naive to it. Maybe I'm a sell out to you. But I'm the same ecology minded, bike riding, budget car driving, mall hatin' freak I always was. I don't believe in an eye for an eye either. I'm not a death penalty advocate and I believe unilateral wars are bad news for everyone. But I do believe that taking down those who seek to torture or kill innocents is sometimes necessary, not out revenge, but out of the need to stop them from poisoning the minds of generations of children. -JC ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .