From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #569 Dead-Flames Digest #569, Volume #48 Thu, 13 Oct 05 11:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Hey Brew... (naught@nil.com) Re: What's on their .mp3 player ("Ray") Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (Brad Greer) Re: Hard ttimes in NE (Brad Greer) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: your favorite road trip songs? favorite blaster song? ("^^indifference^^") Re: August and September pics from Sandgate ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: your favorite road trip songs? favorite blaster song? (Wayne Brown) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Hey Brew... ("Dave Kelly") Re: your favorite road trip songs? favorite blaster song? ("petard") Re: netflix ("Roxanne McDaniel") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:31:54 -0700 "leftie" wrote in message news:dim33g$1abn$1@agate.berkeley.edu... > JC Martin wrote: > >> leftie wrote: > >> JC Martin wrote: > >>> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the >>> merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini >>>> > >>>>> I mean, the only good wars with some of the extreme left folks are >>>>> wars against fascist Europeans. If it's an Arab fascist or any other >>>>> race, it's a bad war. >> >> I think you're proving the point I made above. > > But here's the thing. Both Saddam and bin Laden cannot both be understood > as "Islamofascist." Saddam's regime was secular, so it may have been > fascist but it was not Islamic in the sense that Saudi Arabia or bin > Laden, for example, are. The term loses any useful meaning if both > Hussein's secular regime and bin Laden's dreams of religious-based empire > fall under it. For obvious reasons Saddam will never be re-installed in power. But that's what should happen. He waged an endless internal war against the islamofascists inside his country. They were killed by the tens of thousands, and were no threat to anyone outside his country. Now that we're running the show, the islamofascists are free to run for office in the new democratic Iraq. At some point, when Iraq splits into three countries or what will in effect be three countries, the islamofascists in the south will ally themselves with Iran and will be a source of international terrorism for as far as the eye can see. Our troops are fighting and dying so crazed, primitive, religious fanatics can enjoy the freedom to bomb and plot and kill US citizens. The current US puppets, technocrats, Kurds, and moderate clerics in charge of the country will never be able to successfully control this threat. Only a strongman is capable of bringing order back to Iraq. Saddam would instantly end the religious component of the insurgency by using epic terror and horror against his own people, something we aren't willing or able to do. We backed him in the past when we understood his value in controlling the islamofascist threat. He kept Iran busy for 10 years. Without his influence, or that of someone like him, Iraq has little chance of staying together or succeeding in any way. Its now a far bigger threat to US security than it was before the latest invasion. I could care less about internal strife inside Arab countries. If they want to slaughter themselves, go right ahead. I have no sympathy; those people are a boil upon the butt of the world. Saving muslim women from their men or saving radical clerics from filthy dungeons aren't my idea of examples when military force should be used. We should use force only when attacked, or when real, verifiable evidence exists that we are about to be. Unless that happens, I say fuck the middle east and the freakjobs who populate it. EGBH ------------------------------ From: naught@nil.com Subject: Re: Hey Brew... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:31:49 +0000 (UTC) brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake mthitch@aol.com... >> Did you happen to hear some outdoor Cheese from your window the other >> night? >> >> Apparently they had a fire alarm at the State and they broke into an >> impromptu acoustic set on the street, short video at this site: > > > SCI hasn't been doing much for me lately, so I was 15 miles away in my > living room grooving to Debashish Bhattacharya's "Calcutta Slide-Guitar, > Vol. 3". If you haven't checked it out already, I'd also recommend the DVD that features Bhatt and Brozman (these are individual performances, but there is also a great collaboration CD between the two caled Mahima). Of course, some guy named Mike Auldridge ain't bad on the DVD, either :-) The DVD title is something like The World of Slide Guitar. Far as Kimock's relation to Indian slide, he does own one of VM Bhatt's instruments, called the Mohan Veena. I do, too, for that matter, though mine's a lefty. Mike Babyak ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: What's on their .mp3 player Date: 13 Oct 2005 10:36:53 -0700 Uncle John's Band - Grateful Dead - Winterland 11-11-1973 Devil Syndrome - Bill Laswell - Dub Chamber 3 Racial Discrimination - Israel Vibration - Forever Say What! - Stevie Ray Vaughan - Soul To Soul Haitian Bamboo - Los Hombres Calientes - Volume 4: Voodoo Dance Phum - Nils Petter Molvaer - Khmer Lady Chompers - Will Bernard - Motherbug Green Tea - John Scofield - A Go Go Dar Es Salam - Anouar Brahem - Astrakan Cafe Opening Theme - Camper Van Beethoven - Key Lime Pie ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:39:45 -0400 On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:18:58 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote: >I so long for the day when the US can collectively flip the finger to the >Saudis, the Iraqis, the Iranians, the Venezuelans, the Mexicans, the >Indonesians, even the Canadians. Maybe when I'm 90. > I'm pretty sure we can collectively flip the finger to the Canadians right now, we just don't care about them enough to do so :) ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: Hard ttimes in NE Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:44:45 -0400 On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:02:37 -0700, "Andrew Murawa" wrote: >"Brad Greer" wrote in message >news:0mosk1tc5cpqhosl45k84ao8771hcjd5p8@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:04:28 -0700, "Andrew Murawa" >> wrote: >> >>>"Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message >>>news:1129145271.410957.197060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> Andrew Murawa wrote: >>>>> "Neil X." wrote in message >>>>> news:1129090446.955419.168030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >>>>> > >>>>> >> Andrew Murawa wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Don't start whining about a few injuries now after >>>>> >> having been left relatively unscathed during the past two >>>>> >> seasons... >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Damn man, last year we lost our 5-time All-Pro cornerback Ty Law. >>>>> > We >>>>> > also played more than half the season without Super Bowl MVP >>>>> > Deion >>>>> > Branch and All-Pro tackle Matt Light. We lost All-Pro defensive >>>>> > tackle >>>>> > Richard Seymour for both AFC playoff games. The year before, we >>>>> > lost >>>>> > All-Pro linebackers Rosevelt Colvin and Ted Johnson. Don't get >>>>> > me >>>>> > started. Was anyone else in the league forced to play wide >>>>> > receivers >>>>> > in their defensive secondary last year?? >>>>> >>>>> Wow, so you lost one guy for the season, a couple guys for half the >>>>> season, and another guy for two games, and you had injury problems? >>>>> Talk >>>>> to the Panthers or the Titans, each of whom had at least half of >>>>> their >>>>> starters lost to season-ending injuries... Injuries are a part of >>>>> the >>>>> game, certainly, but by and large, the Pats escaped major injury >>>>> problems each of the last two seasons... >>>> >>>> Holy shit, you weren't kidding! Let me put it this way: you have >>>> *got* >>>> be fucking kidding! Neil listed only the high(low)lites, the >>>> Patriots >>>> had HUGE injury issues, on par or more so than anyone but Carolina. >>>> They had so many guys missing from the defensive backfield that they >>>> played a wide receiver at DB. And they went 14-2. And won the title. >>>> >>>> In 2003, the Patriots started 45, yes, that's 45! different players. >>>> And went 14-2 and won the title. That has to be some kind of >>>> record. >>> >>>Just going over the history of the 2003 team, they lost exactly three >>>players for the season due to injury, Roosevelt Colvin, David Patten >>>and >>>Mike Compton... Other players on the team, such as Kevin Faulk, >>>McGinest, Branch, Givens, Graham and others were listed as >>>questionable >>>for most of the season, but rarely actually missed games, and by the >>>end >>>of the season, had most of their starters intact... Given that they >>>started three different guys at RB, six at WR, three at punter, etc, >>>the >>># of different "starters" on a team that prides itself on having >>>interchangeable players is a nice number, but doesn't mean a whole >>>lot, >>>compared with say the Panthers last year who lost something like 13 >>>players for the season to injury, including 4 pro-bowlers, or the >>>Titans >>>who by the end of last season had 14 missing starters... >>> >>>Who'd you lose last year? Poole, Law, Samuel, Branch and Watson? It's >>>pretty impressive that the Pats were able to overcome those injuries, >>>but it wasn't exactly a barrage of injuries last season, let alone the >>>year before >>> >> Andrew - you're doing some fuzzy math here. In your first paragraph >> you say the Patriots lost 3 players for the season to injury (Colvin, >> Patten and Compton) and then in your second paragraph you mention >> losing Poole, Law, Samuael, Branch and Watson. That sounds like 8 >> players named as lost to me, and Poole and Law were lost for the >> season (regardless of whether they were put on IR or not) meaning they >> lost their starting cornerbacks. > >I was referring to two different years... In 2003, the Pats lost 3 >players to injury for the season... In 2004, they lost the bunch of >Poole, Law, Samuel, etc... > Sorry, that wasn't totally clear to me in your original post. However, I think you've got a tendency to dismiss the loss of Poole and Law (in particular) as if it were nothing - the fact that they were able to not miss a beat despite losing those two players is an indication of their depth and ability to adapt. Every team loses players to injury every year, and most teams lose at least one or two players who could be considered "significant." Some teams are able to overcome those losses, some are not. Now, in a case like the Panthers last year they absolutely lost a high number of players to injury for the season, and that they were even able to give the appearance of being in the playoff hunt was impressive. But the Patriots suffered some significant losses as well (not as many, but hardly inconsequential) and were able to compensate for those losses. That's the difference between winners and losers - all teams face adversity, some teams overcome it. ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:45:36 -0700 "Ray" wrote in message news:1129222461.535504.290880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Of course. But Saddam was far from being in that position. Again: > being a Hitler wannabe does not make one Hitler. Saddam was no Hitler, > not even close. Saddam wasn't even a Mussolini. He had no notion that Iraqis were a master race, or that Arabs were a master race. His actions prior to our latest invasion led to the complete destruction of his military, national infrastructure, and economy, while Hitler marshalled the forces inside Germany to create what was the strongest military in the world. Hitler created a manufacturing and industrial powerhouse. Saddam created wreckage. Hitler was backed by his people, who enthusiastically bought into and participated in his dreams to rule the world. Saddam could barely keep the south of his country from seceding. Hitler forged strong alliances with like minded nations such as Italy, Japan, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria. Saddam had Jordan sending him some food in a few hundred trucks. Hitler conquered all of continental Europe. Saddam conquered the military-less Kuwait, the Arab version of Luxembourg. Hitler, with the aid of his insane occult minded cronies, created the world's first industrial death factories, designed to mechanically eliminate millions of people, all to serve this master reace theory. Saddam had no desire or ability to implement such a mad plan. Saddam was a brutal dictator who at one time was backed by the US. He was no different than your typical central or south American military strongman, except for his proclivity to start and lose small regional wars. Hitler declared war on the US and was a threat to the existence of civilization. Saddam was a threat only to Arabs and Iranians who wanted to spread their mad religion across the world. Sanctions and complaints and protests had no effect on Hitler's mad plans. UN sanctions and the policy of containment used between the invasions had Saddam totally locked down and out of action in the world. If sanctions had continued he would only have become weaker. Saddam's enemies, the islamofascists, far more resemble proto-Hitlers than does Saddam. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "^^indifference^^" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.classical Subject: Re: your favorite road trip songs? favorite blaster song? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:46:21 -0700 "part - time messiah" wrote in message news:1129179761.882318.195830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > pena > her little head clinking > like a barrel of red velvet balls > full past noise > treats filled her eyes > turning them yellow like enamel coated tacks > soft like butter hard not to pour > out enjoying the sun while sitting on > a turned on waffle iron > smoke billowing up from between her legs > made me vomit beautifully > and crush a chandelier > fall on my stomach and view her > from a thousand happened facets > liquid red salt ran over crystals > i later band-aided the area > sighed > o well it was worth it > pena pleased but sore from sitting > chose to stub her toe > and view the white pulps horribly large > in their red pockets > 'i'm tired of playing baby,' she explained > and out of a blue felt box let escape > one yellow butterfly the same size > its droppings were tiny green phosphorus worms > that moved in tuck and rolls that clacked > and whispered in their confinement > three little burnt scotch taped windows > several yards away > mouths open to tongues that vibrated > and lost saliva > pena exclaimed: 'that's the raspberries' > Thanks for proving my point ; ) ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: August and September pics from Sandgate Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:48:32 GMT Thanks for sharing your lovely family with us! You're brave to grow those morning glories up the side of your house... ours pulled a railing off once. Strongest damn vine I know! The views from your front porch are simply amazing though. ------------------------------ From: Wayne Brown Subject: Re: your favorite road trip songs? favorite blaster song? Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.classical Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:48:03 GMT In rec.music.classical mook, what's a mook? wrote: > when you start out on long road trip, what song do you like to blast > off with? > > my fav used to be: invisible touch by genesis. > > once on the road, what songs are best for driving? I'm not particular; I just put the radio on whatever classical station I can find in the area in which I'm driving. If there isn't a classical station, I look for an "oldies" station. And if I can't find either, then I turn off the radio and enjoy the peace and quiet. -- Wayne Brown (HPCC #1104) | "When your tail's in a crack, you improvise fwbrown@bellsouth.net | if you're good enough. Otherwise you give | your pelt to the trapper." e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 -- Euler | -- John Myers Myers, "Silverlock" ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:50:16 -0700 "Brad Greer" wrote in message news:ft6tk1pa7vohcvgv8fkkkopkc53top2ohr@4ax.com... > On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:18:58 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" > wrote: >>I so long for the day when the US can collectively flip the finger to the >>Saudis, the Iraqis, the Iranians, the Venezuelans, the Mexicans, the >>Indonesians, even the Canadians. Maybe when I'm 90. >> > I'm pretty sure we can collectively flip the finger to the Canadians > right now, we just don't care about them enough to do so :) Blame Canada! EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Hey Brew... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:51:33 GMT "brew ziggins" wrote in message news:MPG.1db84aec7795a876989816@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > SCI hasn't been doing much for me lately, so I was 15 miles away in my > living room grooving to Debashish Bhattacharya's "Calcutta Slide-Guitar, > Vol. 3". * LOL....Bhattachatya was FINISHED by the time Vol 3 was released!....his prime years were 1957 thru late '68... An example of his genius can be found on his seminal "Bhattacharya plays The Ragas of The Tikka Masala Orchestra" released on the Chutney label out of Bangladesh. This contains the famous version of "Biryani Blues" from the "Aloo Mutter" sessions Essential. Listen up, Brewster, you keep this up, and we WILL pull ya hip card! Sweet-Nan ------------------------------ From: "petard" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.classical Subject: Re: your favorite road trip songs? favorite blaster song? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:53:16 -0700 Outfield-Rivers Of Babylon. I can listen to that one over and over and over again, one of the very few albums I can say that about. "Wayne Brown" wrote in message news:n5x3f.21760$5l.11514@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > In rec.music.classical mook, what's a mook? wrote: > > when you start out on long road trip, what song do you like to blast > > off with? > > > > my fav used to be: invisible touch by genesis. > > > > once on the road, what songs are best for driving? > > I'm not particular; I just put the radio on whatever classical station I > can find in the area in which I'm driving. If there isn't a classical > station, I look for an "oldies" station. And if I can't find either, > then I turn off the radio and enjoy the peace and quiet. > > -- > Wayne Brown (HPCC #1104) | "When your tail's in a crack, you improvise > fwbrown@bellsouth.net | if you're good enough. Otherwise you give > | your pelt to the trapper." > e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 -- Euler | -- John Myers Myers, "Silverlock" ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: netflix Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:55:52 GMT "leftie" > wrote in message ... Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > Sometime back, somebody suggested, "The Sea" for the que.... uh, thanks### You mean this "The Sea," from Iceland? http://imdb.com/title/tt0332381/ You didn't dig the dark humor, gorgeous cinematography and dramatic (if intensely misanthropic) twisting plot lines? Oh well... ************************ Yep, that's the one. I shoulda figured it was you! :') The cinematography was excellent. But the dysfunction I coulda done without! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .