From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #568 Dead-Flames Digest #568, Volume #48 Thu, 13 Oct 05 10:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? ("mr rapidan") Re: Good Yom Tov (ba ba booie) Re: (NDC) Attention Yankee fans (JimK) Re: How do you tell the character of a person? ("Carlisle") Re: How do you tell the character of a person? (JimK) Re: How do you tell the character of a person? ("pookietooth") Re: How do you tell the character of a person? ("mjd") Re: why baseball sucks? ("dyrewlf") Re: How do you tell the character of a person? ("Carlisle") Re: How do you tell the character of a person? ("Dylanstubs") Re: why baseball sucks? ("marklaw") Re: why baseball sucks? ("Stuknot") Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (leftie) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (leftie) Re: How do you tell the character of a person? ("Schmoe") Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... ("Ray") Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (leftie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mr rapidan" Subject: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:01:55 -0700 > > How do you tell the character of a person? > > The way they treat children, animals, and elderly folks > is a good indication of their character. What are they like when they lose money? ------------------------------ From: Jazare@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: Good Yom Tov Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:57:16 -0400 Good Yom Tov stusockol@verizon.net (Stuart=A0Sockol) Health, Prosperity, and Peace. Stu bbb wrote: No truer words have be said! Ya know, I thought it was, Good Yon Tov. I guess I was wrong. Unless it was the NYC area accent that I was picking out. booie..... .. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (the concert hotwire) http://pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: (NDC) Attention Yankee fans Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:05:03 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:04:03 -0400, Brad Greer wrote: >On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:44:16 -0400, JimK >wrote: > >>On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:05:35 -0400, Brad Greer >>wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:34:18 -0700, DG wrote: >>> >>>>Brad Greer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>DG wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>wyeknot wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>DG wrote: >>>>>>>> wyeknot wrote: >>>>>>>>>DG wrote: >>>>>>>>>>Rogues Island's finest wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>I stayed up until midnight just to watch them lose. Good job, Arod! >>>>>>>>>>Thankfully, the Yanks outlasted the BoSox. Beat them in a come from >>>>>>>>>>behind division victory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Yeah, their marathon-like stamina is stunning. ### >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Imagine that... Sox fans back to their bitchy whiny ways. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Pointing out dumbass analysis is neither bitchy nor whiny. Both teams >>>>>>>were knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. And the Yankees >>>>>>>looked nearly as bad as the Red Sox as they embraced defeat again. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Red Sox got swept. Yankees took it to the final game. Sure the Yanks >>>>>>screwed up but they will reload. >>>>> >>>>>The Yankees massively under-achieved. They had the same >>>>>regular-season record as the Red Sox and finished one game worse than >>>>>the Angels. They have been "re-loading" for the past five years >>>>>without succeeding, given how much money they have tied up in players >>>>>who are not producing (especially their pitching staff) it's hard to >>>>>see how they will be able to re-load effectively. Even Steinbrenner >>>>>has limits to how much he will spend. They appear to be reverting to >>>>>their style in the '80s - get expensive free agents with no real >>>>>thought to how they will perform as a team. >>>> >>>> >>>>They lost a close game 5. No big deal to this Yankee fan. >>>> >>>It certainly seems to be a big deal to Yankee fans here in the New >>>York/New Jersey area. There is a lot of discussion on whether Torre >>>should be fired, how much A-Rod sucked in the playoffs (again), how >>>disappointing Randy Johnson was, how "the Angels didn't really beat >>>us, we beat ourselves", etc. The Yankees are in decline and have been >>>so for the past 5 years. Yes, there version of "decline" is better >>>than most other teams, but declining they are. They have emptied the >>>farm system to a great extent to make mid-season trades and >>>Steinbrenner is allowing the Tampa braintrust to have too much input >>>in the free agent buying decisions instead of relying on the solid >>>baseball people (such as Stick Michaels) who built the dynasty of the >>>late '90s. If you fail to see the parallels to the teams of the '80s >>>it's because you're in denial. >> >>All of the above is pretty much true, but the decline and emptying of >>the farm system, was something that was almost inevitable when you >>finish at the top for a decade. Although the draft in baseball doesn't >>have the immediate impact it does in sports like basketball and >>football, it's become much more important than it was twenty to thirty >>years ago. It's difficult to keep the farm system stocked with quality >>players when you're drafting at the bottom year after year. In >>addition, when you're in contention every year, you're in a position >>where you're pretty much forced to trade off some of your young talent >>in mid-season to acquire veterans who will be more useful in a pennant >>race. And if you look at the young players the Yanks have let go >>during the last ten years, you'd be hard pressed to find many who have >>become regulars in the majors, much less stars. > >The Atlanta Braves would disagree with this. In fact, it is because >of the quality of their farm system that they were able to win the >division title this past year (and they have won more consecutive >division titles than the Yankees, so they are certainly accustomed to >drafting towards the bottom). I'll grant you that the Braves are an exception. I have no idea how they keep doing what they do. And I may be wrong, but off the top of my head I can't recall too many years when the Braves traded top prospects for veteran help at the end of the year. Maybe that's why they haven't done so well in postseason play. > >>Another factor that's often overlooked when people talk about the >>Yankee payroll is that winning inflates salaries. Look at what happens >>repeatedly in the NFL these days. Players on teams that win >>championships command higher salaries when they become free agents, >>based not just on their individual performance but also that of the >>team. If you want to keep your team together you have to overpay or >>let them go to stay under the cap. In baseball, where there is no cap, >>you overpay if you have the money to do it. The Yanks have the money. >>What you end up with is a $200 million payroll with players who, >>individually, are worth much less. >> >I don't disagree that winning inflates salaries, but what, exactly, >have Carl Pavano, Jared Wright and Kevin Brown won? That's a lot of >money the Yankees paid for pitchers who weren't on their post season >roster, don't you think? But those aren't the type of players I'm talking about, namely players that the Yankees overpaid to keep rather than eventually lose to free agency, guys like Bernie Williams, Posada, and even Jeter. No question they're very good or even great players, but they're still overpaid compared to others with similar stats and performance. And they're overpaid because they were part of the championship runs in the late 90's. That being said, there's no disputing the fact that the Yanks have made some questionable free agent signings in recent years, like Wright and Brown who were damaged goods when they got them. Pavano was considered by most to be a good signing. His injury was just bad luck. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:09:19 -0700 mr rapidan wrote: > > > How do you tell the character of a person? > > > > The way they treat children, animals, and elderly folks > > is a good indication of their character. > > What are they like when they lose money? What are they like when they disagree with someone on Usenet?? ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:11:00 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:49:52 -0400, Jazare@webtv.net (ba ba booie) wrote: >How do you tell the character of a person? > > > >I always look to see how well a person listens. Or how open their mind >is. If their mind is not open or willing to be open, then that right >there tells me the character of a person. > >There are people out there like that. > >The mind has a lot to do with the character of a person. > >What really defines the character of a person? Their actions, their >goals, their money, their buds, their way to listen, their control, >their way to do things, >or just their way? I think it's mostly the buds. Gotta have good, stinky buds. JimK ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:11:15 -0700 DGDevin wrote: > > Somewhere I read that if you want to know what kind of a person someone > really is, watch how they treat waiters in a restaurant. If they think that > waiters, shop clerks, secretaries et al. don't deserve decent treatment, > then they really aren't very nice. That's really true. Kind of scary too, cause I think a big percentage of Americans would probably fail this test and are in need of some hard core psychological help. ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:11:31 -0700 well, can we get a waiver for that? I mean, we've all had our moments! ------------------------------ From: "dyrewlf" Subject: Re: why baseball sucks? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:15:11 GMT "Guillaume" wrote in message news:1129217402.480924.278910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > The camera angle that they played only once, from behind the plate, > made it look like the ball bounced. The truth is, if Paul tags him > immediately, this is a non issue. A more seasoned catcher might have > done so, and I'm surprised that McCarver, a former catcher, never > brought that up. > > My broadcast team from Hell: > > Tim McCarver, Joe Morgan, and Harry Carry (after having had too many > Buds.) > > Bill > I initially thought it short hopped, too. When I looked it over on TIVO frame by frame the webbing of the glove was under the ball and the ball seemed to bounce off the webbing and into the pocket. It doesn't matter how experienced a catcher is, if there's no doubt in your mind that you made a clean catch you're not going to tag the guy, especially if the guy starts for the dugout and doesn't head to first immediately after the pitch. Steve ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:18:54 -0700 mjd wrote: > well, can we get a waiver for that? I mean, we've all had our moments! Oh me too!! It's just a matter of degree and how bad one was provoked or not. And it depends on how much one is trying to actually hurt someone's feelings. I don't see that too often around here. Now Joe does provoke people, on purpose. He's all fired up and shiite. I've been made fun of and called names here and there and yeah I prolly brought some of that on myself. "mr. rapidan" crossed the line with me. It makes you wonder, what kind of person is this? That's all. Don't Ease Me In! Carrie ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:33:55 -0700 > ba ba booie wrote: > How do you tell the character of a person? Compassion and empathy. Particularly toward strangers. ------------------------------ From: "marklaw" Subject: Re: why baseball sucks? Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:42:29 -0700 A.J., being a catcher himself, headed for the dugout because he expected to be tagged. When he wasn't tagged, that's when he headed for first base. Heads up play. Some people watching the replays are convinced it was a clean catch, others are convinced that it bounced. For this reason, a review would have been inconclusive and the call on the field would have stood up. Angels fans belly aching about the call should be pissed at their catcher for not playing it safe. ------------------------------ From: "Stuknot" Subject: Re: why baseball sucks? Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:46:31 -0700 bill c wrote: > > > not a chicagoan and not wishful thinking....check the replay and you'll see > the ball takes a short hop into the glove. > umps made the right call, What ump? The home plate ump who was behind it, couldn't see it, called a third strike and an out and then reversed himself while the Angels were on their way to the dugout? That ump made the right call? Not a chance. BTW, there's enough blame to go around, but Scioscia was a class act in the post game news conference. No whining, just, "we didn't play well enough to absorb a call like that." John H. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:47:44 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > leftie wrote: > JC Martin wrote: >> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the >> merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini >>> >>>> I mean, the only good wars with some of the extreme left folks are >>>> wars against fascist Europeans. If it's an Arab fascist or any >>>> other race, it's a bad war. > > I think you're proving the point I made above. But here's the thing. Both Saddam and bin Laden cannot both be understood as "Islamofascist." Saddam's regime was secular, so it may have been fascist but it was not Islamic in the sense that Saudi Arabia or bin Laden, for example, are. The term loses any useful meaning if both Hussein's secular regime and bin Laden's dreams of religious-based empire fall under it. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:51:07 -0700 People keep talking about the corruption in the oil-for-food program of the UN, but the corruption in the current regime of no-bid contracts and 'Iraqi government' officials dwarfs that. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: How do you tell the character of a person? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:52:14 -0400 ba ba booie wrote: > How do you tell the character of a person? > By looking at what's on the their .mp3 player. It's a theory I'm developing. ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:54:21 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > Ray wrote: > > JC Martin wrote: > > > >>Ray wrote: > >> > >>>So Saddam - a 'Hitler of the Middle East' when the Bush II > >>>Adminstration was gearing up to attack him in Gulf War II, the sequel? > >>>That'd be nothing short of laughable, except for the fact that far too > >>>many far too credulous people took it seriously. > >> > >>Hitler wannabe? That's a fact. But while I didn't support this war, > >>the timing and the WMD tale, Saddam was no one to be ignored. As long > >>as he was in power and the U.N.'s capitulation remained, Saddam was a > >>threat. > >> > >> > >>>Saddam was a brutal > >>>dictator and a cold blooded killer, yes, and also Hitler wannabie. But > >>>again, so what - in this world cold blooded killer Hitler wannabies are > >>>a dime-a-dozen. > >> > >>Given Saddam's resources and the weak-kneed, profit driven U.N, Saddam > >>certainly posed a threat to the west IMO. How to deal with that and > >>when was a complex issue, but France and Russia in particular had > >>economic needs which trumped European and U.S. security. Iraq certainly > >>posed a future threat more so than any other dictatorial regime I can > >>think of outside of North Korea. > > > > > > I agree that Saddam was a threat, and that he had to be addressed in > > one way or another at some point. However: > > > > 1) Bush Administration propaganda notwithstanding, Saddam was no > > Hitler, not even close. Not even when limiting the context to just the > > middle east. > > 2) Pre-Iraq invasion, North Korea and Iran were IMO both bigger threats > > to U.S. security than Iraq. And arguably Pakistan too. And, arguably, > > Saudi Arabia, with it's massive and ongoing support for Islamofascism. > > And then there's that little thing known as the Israeli/Palestinian > > conflict - as long as that continues to fester it will remain a very > > serious threat to U.S. security. > > > > And then there was, and remains, the greatest threat to U.S. security > > post 9/11 - the people that headed the organization attacked us on > > 9/11. And those people are still out there, in all probability > > planning to attack us again. And by invading Iraq and taking their > > nemesis Saddam out of power and destabilizing the region, and moreover > > by piss-poor planning that lead us into getting ourselves bogged down > > in a quagmire there (which, perhaps, couldn't have been avoided after > > we invaded in any event), we played straight into their hands. > > > > Saddam, a 'Middle East Hitler'? What a ridiculous, sick joke. And > > unfortunately the joke is on us. > > > All of these points however don't take into account that it was > sanctions and the previous Gulf war that weakened Saddam's grip on the > Middle East. As I noted in my previous post: "the US squashed Saddam like a bug in Gulf War I - and thenceforth Saddam's power was but a shadow of its former still-far-from-Hitler-material self." I forgot to mention the sactions - they too of course had a major impact. > The U.N. body as a whole wanted to lift those sanctions. > France and Russia had deals with Saddam in place to build nuclear > reactors when those sanctions were lifted. Sorry, but Saddam could have > been a lot worse than Hitler with nuclear capacity. There is > documentation which points to him wanting to control the entire Middle > East and was willing to go to war and use any weapon at his disposal to > do so. Certain U.N. countries were willing to risk this for > profiteering purposes. There were other ways of addressing that. Consider, for example, Israel's bombing of Saddam's previous attempt at constructing a nuke plant. And of course the sanctions had not been lifted in any event, and to assert that they would have been is speculation. Which isn't to say that I don't Saddam was a threat who had to be dealt with. Again: I agree that Saddam was a threat, and that he had to be addressed in one way or another at some point. > Historically, that is the same dilemma Hitler > posed. If you give a fascist leader more and more power and capitulate > to his every desire, you don't think another Hitler can happen out of > that? Of course. But Saddam was far from being in that position. Again: being a Hitler wannabe does not make one Hitler. Saddam was no Hitler, not even close. Ray ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:55:06 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > You're kiddin', right? No corporatism or nationalism under Sadam? Talk > about being misinformed. If you're truly opposed to fascist regimes in the Middle East, then clearly countries like Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and even Pakistan should be invaded right away, no? Or is it that you're just opposed to these dictatorial regimes in the Middle East when they oppose US interests? ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .