From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #558 Dead-Flames Digest #558, Volume #48 Wed, 12 Oct 05 10:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: who on rmgd would you like to meet? (JC Martin) Re: Genesis Reunion in the works? ("LP") Re: Old lady- 1, Yuppie- 0 (ndc) (fogdog) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (fogdog) Re: "Presidential" fidgeting (NDC) ("Don Bean") er Wonder.... (JC Martin) Re: Hard ttimes in NE (JC Martin) Bokomaru - 20th Annual Halloween Bash - Montreal (bokomaru@gmail.com) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... (leftie) Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... ("Carlisle") Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Bean" Subject: Re: "Presidential" fidgeting (NDC) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:28:10 -0400 this reminds me alot of the guy who does Bush on SNL... A missirable bush saying 'its a hard job'.. "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message news:3r3kslFh5fv0U1@individual.net... > bc-bush-sketch > (wap) (ATTN: National editors) > //For President Under Duress, Body Language Speaks Volumes// (Washn) > By Dana Milbank > (c) 2005, The Washington Post > > > WASHINGTON It's only 6:17 a.m. Central time, and President Bush is > already facing his second question of the day about Karl Rove's legal > troubles. > > ``Does it worry you,'' NBC's Matt Lauer is asking him at a > construction-site interview in Louisiana, that prosecutors ``seem to have > such an interest in Mr. Rove?'' > > Bush blinks twice. He touches his tongue to his lips. He blinks twice > more. He starts to answer, but he stops himself. > > ``I'm not going to talk about the case,'' Bush finally says after a > three-second pause that, in television time, feels like a commercial > break. > > Only the president's closest friends and family know (if anybody does) > what he's really thinking these days, during Katrina woes, Iraq violence, > conservative anger over Harriet Miers, and legal trouble for > Bush's top political aide and two congressional GOP leaders. Bush has not > been viewed up close; as he took his eighth post-Katrina trip to the Gulf > Coast Tuesday, the press corps has accompanied him only once, > because the White House says logistics won't permit it. Even the interview > on the ``Today'' show was labeled ``closed press.'' > > But this much could be seen watching the tape of NBC's broadcast during > Bush's 14-minute pre-sunrise interview, in which he stood unprotected by > the > usual lectern. The president was a blur of blinks, > taps, jiggles, pivots and shifts. Bush has always been an active man, but > standing with Lauer and the serene, steady first lady, he had the body > language of a man wishing urgently to be elsewhere. > > The fidgeting clearly corresponded to the questioning. When Lauer asked > if Bush, after a slow response to Katrina, was ``trying to get a second > chance to make a good first impression,'' Bush blinked 24 times > in his answer. When asked why Gulf War residents would have to pay back > funds but Iraqis would not, Bush blinked 23 times and hitched his trousers > up by the belt. > > When the questioning turned to Miers, Bush blinked 37 times in a single > answer along with a lick of the lips, three weight shifts and some > serious > foot jiggling. Laura Bush, by contrast, delivered only three blinks and > stood still through her entire answer about encouraging volunteerism. > > Perhaps the set itself made Bush uncomfortable. He and his wife stood in > casual attire, wearing tool belts, in front of a wall frame and some > Habitat > for Humanity volunteers in hard hats. ABC News noted cheekily of its rival > network's exclusive: ``He did allow himself to be shown hammering > purposefully, with a jejune combination of cowboy swagger and yuppie > self-consciousness.'' > > Perhaps, too, the president's body language said nothing about his true > state of mind. But the White House gave little other information that > might > shed light on this. A White House spokesman, Trent Duffy, > entered the press cabin on Air Force One to brief reporters at 1:58 p.m. > He > left two minutes later, after answering the only question by saying, ``We > don't have anything to announce.'' > > The one newspaper reporter allowed to travel with Bush as part of the > White House's ``pool'' system reported back to her colleagues after the > ``Today'' event: ``we were at a distance and could not hear what was being > said (a theme of the day).'' Other than the ``Today'' appearance, > Bush delivered a one-minute talk to military recovery workers (``I'm > incredibly proud of the job you have done'') and a two-minute statement > outside a school (``out of the rubble here on the Gulf Coast of > Mississippi is a rebuilding''). > > Certainly, Bush retained many of the gestures that work well for him: > the > purposeful but restrained hand gestures, the head-tilted smile of > amusement > and the easy laugh. But he seemed to lose control of the > timing. He smiled after observing that Iraqis are ``paying a serious > price'' > because of terrorism. > > As Lauer went through his introduction, the presidential eyes zoomed > left, then right, then left and right again, then center, down and up at > the > interviewer. The presidential fidgeting spiked when Lauer mentioned > the Democratic accusation that Bush was performing a ``photo op.'' Bush > pushed out his lower front lip, then licked the right corner of his mouth. > Lauer's query about whether conservatives ``are feeling let down > by you'' appeared to provoke furious jiggling of the right leg. > > Bush joked about his state of mind when Lauer asked Laura Bush about the > strain on her husband. ``He can barely stand!'' the president said, > interrupting. ``He's about to drop on the spot.'' But the first lady had > a calming influence on the presidential wiggles. When Laura Bush spoke > about > her husband's ``broad shoulders,'' the president put his arm around her > and > the swaying and shifting subsided. > > The president, now on more comfortable terrain, delivered a brief homily > about ``the decency of others'' and ``how blessed we are to be an > American.'' Through the entire passage, he blinked only 12 times. > > > ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: MUCH cheese this week Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:52:02 -0400 Nick's Picks wrote: > you should try taping in it. > > the only band that really ever lit it up in there w/any consistancy was > MMW. I thought Mule last fall kicked ass - the sound was LOUD and mostly clean. Far and away a better show than the tour opener the night before in Boston. And I dig the levels and open (front) floor at the State. Never have tried to tape it though :-) Matt ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:07:54 GMT "Walter Karmazyn" > wrote in message ... What 2,000 dead soldiers look like? http://tinyurl.com/b7vp4 ********************************* Yeah, why doesn't anyone give a fuck????? Maybe because you weren't asked to serve under false pretenses (noWMD but really it's expansion of the union). Or maye it's because it's not your brother, your dad, your uncle, your high school friend. It was really easy for me not to get "sucked in" by the emotions of 9/11. I had no one there. It was a lost opportunity to America to embrace peace as a solution instead of allowing the Cowboy-In-Charge to put on his hat, holster, and get up on his wild horse. 2,000 lost opportunities for something better. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:09:51 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > This war in Iraq stinks not one bit because 2000 > soldiers are dead. You best see a doctor, JC. Your olfactory sensors are not working. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:17:42 GMT Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > "Walter Karmazyn" > wrote in message ... > What 2,000 dead soldiers look like? > > http://tinyurl.com/b7vp4 > > ********************************* > Yeah, why doesn't anyone give a fuck????? > Maybe because you weren't asked to serve > under false pretenses (noWMD but really it's > expansion of the union). Or maye it's > because it's not your brother, your dad, your > uncle, your high school friend. It was really > easy for me not to get "sucked in" by the > emotions of 9/11. I had no one there. > > It was a lost opportunity to America to > embrace peace as a solution Peace as a solution takes at least two. Ask black people if they'd rather be slaves than have had the civil war take place. Going into Afghanistan was surely the right thing to do. Getting the U.N. to insist inspectors be brought back into Iraq was the right thing to do. No U.S. president would have acted differently. Everything after that of course has been a mess. But really, peace is just a word. Without action, without effort, without hatred, there is no peace...unless one isolates them self and goes into the woods to meditate, a luxury not afforded to us all. But loving a hateful human being or group doesn't necessarily produce love or a state of peace between the two. Cultural differences and tribal alliances will exist until the end of time. That's just something we have to accept and work with. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:26:36 GMT leftie wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> This war in Iraq stinks not one bit because 2000 soldiers are dead. > > > You best see a doctor, JC. Your olfactory sensors are not working. You really think it's fair to isolate this one sentence without context? Another cheap tactic IMO. Again, I don't think these methods work. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Hard ttimes in NE Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:37:37 GMT Neil X. wrote: >>Andrew Murawa wrote: >> >>Don't start whining about a few injuries now after >>having been left relatively unscathed during the past two seasons... > > > > > Damn man, last year we lost our 5-time All-Pro cornerback Ty Law. We > also played more than half the season without Super Bowl MVP Deion > Branch and All-Pro tackle Matt Light. We lost All-Pro defensive tackle > Richard Seymour for both AFC playoff games. The year before, we lost > All-Pro linebackers Rosevelt Colvin and Ted Johnson. Don't get me > started. Was anyone else in the league forced to play wide receivers > in their defensive secondary last year?? Let's put that aside and get to more important matters. How about those Titans! They're gonna win 7 Neely. Break out the spirits my man! -JC ------------------------------ From: bokomaru@gmail.com Subject: Bokomaru - 20th Annual Halloween Bash - Montreal Date: 12 Oct 2005 09:41:27 -0700 Bokomaru - In The Spirit of The Grateful Dead 20th Annual Halloween Bash Hello, Bokomaru will be playing our 20th Annual Halloween Bash: Saturday, October 29th, 2005 at Hard Rock Cafe 1458 Crescent Street Montreal, Quebec 514-987-1420 With Special Guests, HMG Hope to see you there..... Bokomaru mailto:bokomaru@jam.ca http://www.jam.ca/bokomaru ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:48:42 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > leftie wrote: > >> JC Martin wrote: >> >>> This war in Iraq stinks not one bit because 2000 soldiers are dead. >> >> You best see a doctor, JC. Your olfactory sensors are not working. > > You really think it's fair to isolate this one sentence without context? > Another cheap tactic IMO. Again, I don't think these methods work. You typed the sentence. If it doesn't stand up to scrutiny, why is it a "cheap tactic" to point it out? The Iraq War stinks a lot, in part because 2000 American soldiers are dead. ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: 12 Oct 2005 09:54:37 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > > "Walter Karmazyn" > wrote in message ... > > What 2,000 dead soldiers look like? > > > > http://tinyurl.com/b7vp4 > > > > ********************************* > > Yeah, why doesn't anyone give a fuck????? > > Maybe because you weren't asked to serve > > under false pretenses (noWMD but really it's > > expansion of the union). Or maye it's > > because it's not your brother, your dad, your > > uncle, your high school friend. It was really > > easy for me not to get "sucked in" by the > > emotions of 9/11. I had no one there. > > > > It was a lost opportunity to America to > > embrace peace as a solution > > > > Peace as a solution takes at least two. Ask black people if they'd > rather be slaves than have had the civil war take place. Going into > Afghanistan was surely the right thing to do. Getting the U.N. to > insist inspectors be brought back into Iraq was the right thing to do. > No U.S. president would have acted differently. Everything after that > of course has been a mess. But really, peace is just a word. Without > action, without effort, without hatred, there is no peace...unless one > isolates them self and goes into the woods to meditate, a luxury not > afforded to us all. But loving a hateful human being or group doesn't > necessarily produce love or a state of peace between the two. Cultural > differences and tribal alliances will exist until the end of time. > That's just something we have to accept and work with. > > -JC JC, you should run for political office. If you can handle the heat around here, then yer ready! Now you just need to raise 500M dollars and you're set. Oh yeah and get people to vote for you. Run for the roses- Carrie ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: (ndc) Ever Wonder.... Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:54:49 -0700 "JC Martin" wrote in message news:GGa3f.2143$Aw.38838@typhoon.sonic.net... > Roxanne McDaniel wrote: >> "Walter Karmazyn" > wrote in message ... >> What 2,000 dead soldiers look like? >> >> http://tinyurl.com/b7vp4 >> >> ********************************* >> Yeah, why doesn't anyone give a fuck????? >> Maybe because you weren't asked to serve >> under false pretenses (noWMD but really it's >> expansion of the union). Or maye it's >> because it's not your brother, your dad, your >> uncle, your high school friend. It was really >> easy for me not to get "sucked in" by the >> emotions of 9/11. I had no one there. >> >> It was a lost opportunity to America to >> embrace peace as a solution > > > > Peace as a solution takes at least two. Ask black people if they'd rather > be slaves than have had the civil war take place. Going into Afghanistan > was surely the right thing to do. Getting the U.N. to insist inspectors > be brought back into Iraq was the right thing to do. No U.S. president > would have acted differently. Everything after that of course has been a > mess. But really, peace is just a word. Without action, without effort, > without hatred, there is no peace...unless one isolates them self and goes > into the woods to meditate, a luxury not afforded to us all. But loving a > hateful human being or group doesn't necessarily produce love or a state > of peace between the two. Cultural differences and tribal alliances will > exist until the end of time. That's just something we have to accept and > work with. At the same time, peace remained an option in Iraq. Peace does take two; and Saddam Hussein's government and nation were so devastated by the nearly endless war with Iran, the first Gulf War, and the UN sanctions that they were unable to wage any kind of war against the US even if they had wanted to. There's one party, despite being an unbelievably cruel and heinous regime inside their own country, that had no option but peace. They were "doing peace" when we invaded them. The other party? The US. There was no purpose in invading Iraq. They had no WMD. Their military wasn't worth a shit; they surrendered and deserted in droves during the invasion. They weren't a threat to any other nation. Their economy was wrecked, except for the oil which we were buying even as we were invading them. Oil is no reason; we had it before the war and we have it after the war. The US unilaterally chose war. Why? Every single assumption about how Iraqis would behave once the occupation began proved to be wildly incorrect. Remember when we were being told that Iraq was far more developed industrially and economically and academically than your average Arab country? How easy it would be to create a democracy in such an advanced and civilized environment? But they didn't have stable power or water systems before the war and they still don't after the war. The people are divided into clans, ethnic groups, and religious groups that hate each other with a passion. The different groups have very different ideas about how to proceed; they were all supposed to jump for joy at freedom, instead many took up arms to reimpose the old order. Others took up arms to impose a new islamofascist order. For their information about the country, Bush and his cronies depended entirely upon rich Iraqi emigrants who hadn't set foot inside the country for decades. Was Bush, with his limited intelligence and willingness to believe anything that reinforces his previously held opinions, and with his total lack of historical and cultural geographic knowledge of the area, duped by the emigrants and cronies? Were the emigrants and cronies engaged in as much wishful thinking as Bush himself? Or was there another motive for war? Some are reporting that Bush was directed by "god" to invade Iraq. His fanatical belief in this born again Christian stuff may have led him to launch a crusade (which is how he referred to the war early on) to spread his version of evangelical Christianity to the region. I think Bush believes democracy and Christianity go hand in hand; and that everyone everywhere is just waiting to hear the good news, even if it comes from the barrel of a gun. Obviously the Iraqis weren't waiting. There could have been peace in Iraq if Bush had just accepted that his assumptions were wrong and if he had made an effort to learn something about the place he was about to invade. But change is something Bush despises; it scares him. He can't grow, learn, or question anything he already "knows". If he did he might question his faith in Jeebus, the one thing that kept him off the bottle. Now he may be boozing it up again anyway. 2,000 Americans are dead, and far more are wounded / maimed / ill. This is happening because of: 1) lies 2) being duped 3) being stupid and inflexible 4) wanting to spread a religion 5) all of the above That makes this war more heinous and unecessary than most, and makes the deaths of 2,000 Americans far more troubling than 2,000 Americans dying in car and hunting accidents. This war was no accident. A certified imbecile made this decision on purpose, without seeking out even the most basic information about the place he was desperate to invade. He could make similar decisions; if his presidency wasn't already toast, that is. Toast is good. EGBH ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .