From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #541 Dead-Flames Digest #541, Volume #48 Mon, 10 Oct 05 06:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? (band beyond description) A Conservative viewpoint.... (Walter Karmazyn) Rodney Crowell on Bob Dylan (NDC) (band beyond description) Re: Follow the sinking W...(NDC) (band beyond description) Re: Short Ends for Brothers In Law (Steve Lenier) Re: Short Ends for Brothers In Law (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: Pigpen... (Tom Beck) Re: Pigpen... (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: Beer query (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: Pigpen... ("Bill") Re: Release 11/70 Portchester Run as Dick's Picks or Download? (band beyond description) Re: The Master vs. Predator (band beyond description) Re: Pigpen... (band beyond description) Re: And this archive message means what? ("Junter522") Re: Short Ends for Brothers In Law ("Brian D.") Re: charlie miller SBD downloads 8/30,31/81 ("Dylanstubs") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:44:50 +0900 On 2005-10-10 06:06:27 +0900, Steve Lenier said: > a couple days ago I listened through Tommy (the album, not the soundtrack). > The songs are still in my head, I'm constantly amazed at how good it is, and > how much I love it. > > Yesterday I listened to all 4 vinyl sides of Stevie Wonder's Musiquarium. > > Derek and the Dominos Layla and other assorted love songs yesterday too > > currently in the stereo (but not actually currently playing) is the Dead > 9/5/85 Red Rocks, and in my car is 10/18/94 L.A. Sports Arena. > > caught a few seconds of Harry Belafonte on public TV last night > > and the only thing current that I've listened to lately, was yesterday's > ESPN broadcast of Iowa taking down Purdue handily. Woohoo! Go Hawks! > > Steve Listening to Master lay down the law on 5/19/01: http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=6003 and this cool GD rehearsal groovin' from 2/1/83: http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15313 -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: Walter Karmazyn Subject: A Conservative viewpoint.... Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:43:57 -0700 Well, the viewpoint of Paul Craig Roberts, who is a conservative, but I can think of folks who don't fall into the "conservative" school of thought who would say something like "Right on!!!! to Mr. Roberts' column. I threw in the quote from Madison, the rest is Dr. Roberts.... W The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – James Madison The Police State Is Closer Than You Think by Paul Craig Roberts Police states are easier to acquire than Americans appreciate. The hysterical aftermath of September 11 has put into place the main components of a police state. Habeas corpus is the greatest protection Americans have against a police state. Habeas corpus ensures that Americans can only be detained by law. They must be charged with offenses, given access to attorneys, and brought to trial. Habeas corpus prevents the despotic practice of picking up a person and holding him indefinitely. President Bush claims the power to set aside habeas corpus and to dispense with warrants for arrest and with procedures that guarantee court appearance and trial without undue delay. Today in the US, the executive branch claims the power to arrest a citizen on its own initiative and hold the citizen indefinitely. Thus, Americans are no longer protected from arbitrary arrest and indefinite detention. These new "seize and hold" powers strip the accused of the protective aspects of law and give reign to selectivity and arbitrariness. No warrant is required for arrest, no charges have to be presented before a judge, and no case has to be put before a jury. As the police are unaccountable, whoever is selected for arrest is at the mercy of arbitrariness. The judiciary has to some extent defended habeas corpus against Bush's attack, but the protection that the principle offers against arbitrary seizure and detention has been breached. Whether courts can fully restore habeas corpus or whether it continues in weakened form or passes by the wayside remains to be determined. Americans may be unaware of what it means to be stripped of the protection of habeas corpus, or they may think police authorities would never make a mistake or ever use their unbridled power against the innocent. Americans might think that the police state will only use its powers against terrorists or "enemy combatants." But "terrorist" is an elastic and legally undefined category. When the President of the United States declares: "You are with us or against us," the police may perceive a terrorist in a dissenter from the government's policies. Political opponents may be regarded as "against us" and thereby fall in the suspect category. Or a police officer may simply have his eye on another man's attractive wife or wish to settle some old score. An enemy combatant might simply be an American who happens to be in a foreign country when the US invades. In times before our own when people were properly educated, they understood the injustices that caused the English Parliament to pass the Habeas Corpus Act of 1679 prohibiting the arbitrary powers that are now being claimed for the executive branch in the US. The PATRIOT Act has given the police autonomous surveillance powers. These powers were not achieved without opposition. Civil libertarians opposed it. Bob Barr, the former US Representative who led the impeachment of President Clinton, fought to limit some of the worst features of the act. But the act still bristles with unconstitutional violations of the rights of citizens, and the newly created powers of government to spy on citizens has brought an end to privacy. The prohibition against self-incrimination protects the accused from being tortured into confession. The innocent are no more immune to pain than the guilty. As Stalin's show trials demonstrated, even the most committed leaders of the Bolshevik revolution could be tortured into confessing to be counter-revolutionaries. The prohibition against torture has been breached by the practice of plea bargaining, which replaces jury trials with negotiated self-incrimination, and by sentencing guidelines, which transfer sentencing discretion from judge to prosecutor. Plea bargaining is a form of psychological torture in which innocent and guilty alike give up their right to jury trial in order to reduce the number and severity of the charges that the prosecutor brings. The prohibition against physical torture, however, held until the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. As video, photographic, and testimonial evidence make clear, the US military has been torturing large numbers of people in its Iraq prisons and in its prison compound at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Most of the detainees were people picked up in the equivalent of KGB Stalin-era street sweeps. Having no idea who the detainees are and pressured to produce results, torture was applied to coerce confessions. Everyone is disturbed about this barbaric and illegal practice except the Bush administration. In an amendment to a $440 billion defense budget bill last Wednesday, the US Senate voted 90 to 9 to ban "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" of anyone in US government custody. President Bush responded to the Senate's will by repeating his earlier threat to veto the bill. Allow me to torture, demands Bush of the Senate, or you will be guilty of delaying the military's budget during wartime. Bush is threatening the Senate with blame for the deaths of US soldiers who will die because they don't get their body armor or humvee armor in time. It will be a short step from torturing detainees abroad to torturing the accused in US jails and prisons. The attorney-client privilege, another great achievement, has been breached by the Lynne Stewart case. As the attorney for a terrorist, Stewart represented her client in ways disapproved by prosecutors. Stewart was indicted, tried, and convicted of providing material support to terrorists. Stewart's indictment sends a message to attorneys not to represent too dutifully or aggressively clients who are unpopular or demonized. Initially, this category may be limited to terrorists. However, once the attorney-client privilege is breached, any attorney who gets too much in the way of a prosecutor's case may experience retribution. The intimidation factor can result in an attorney presenting a weak defense. It can even result in attorneys doing as the Benthamite US Department of Justice (sic) desires and helping to convict their client. In the Anglo-American legal tradition, law is a shield of the accused. This is necessary in order to protect the innocent. The accused is innocent until he is proven guilty in an open court. There are no secret tribunals, no torture, and no show trials. Outside the Anglo-American legal tradition, law is a weapon of the state. It may be used with careful restraint, as in Europe today, or it may be used to destroy opponents or rivals as in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. When the protective features of the law are removed, law becomes a weapon. Habeas corpus, due process, the attorney-client privilege, no crime without intent, and prohibitions against torture and ex post facto laws are the protective features that shield the accused. These protective features are being removed by zealotry in the "war against terrorism." The damage terrorists can inflict pales in comparison to the loss of the civil liberties that protect us from the arbitrary power of law used as a weapon. The loss of law as Blackstone's shield of the innocent would be catastrophic. It would mean the end of America as a land of liberty. ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Rodney Crowell on Bob Dylan (NDC) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:15:22 +0900 http://www.xpn.org/mp3/Crowell%20process.mp3 -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Follow the sinking W...(NDC) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:18:01 +0900 On 2005-10-10 11:56:28 +0900, John Doherty said: > > > for all you seeking a 'nother time wasting amusement on the Dubya > dubya, dial up: > http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm > > > If the preznit gets stuck, or you just have the urge to toss him around > a bit, use the cursor... now that's the best use of modern information technology i've seen all year! -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:18:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Short Ends for Brothers In Law From: Steve Lenier believe it or not we have a very good one here in Orange County, just a couple blocks from home in a strip mall. On Knott Street, Mike's BBQ. These folk is from where they need to come from to do some serious Q (geez, did I really just say that?). They also do the slice of white bread thing (works well as a napkin), the beans are great, the slaw is good, the portions are definitely big enough...and the cliche' of fallin' off the bone is absolutely true here. I like 'em reasonably hot, and these guys' *medium* sets me up fine. Definitely get the pork ribs. It's all damn good, but those pork ribs are untouched. Steve ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Short Ends for Brothers In Law Date: 9 Oct 2005 23:46:26 -0700 If you was truly old school in 'Frisco, then you remember Do City BBQ, right down the block from where Brother In Laws is now. They had the real deal. And a great slogan across the front window: Eat yo' ass off!!! Larry ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Pigpen... Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:52:38 -0500 Richard Morris wrote: > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > news:diccf0$2qjo$1@news.iquest.net... > >>Maybe it's just me, but Pig's lengthy "raps" get rather boring pretty >>fast. Thank god the band is cookin' behind him otherwise I'd be snoozin. >>Don't get me wrong, I like his singing, Mr. Charlie, Hard to Handle, Easy >>Wind, for example. It's just those mindless ramblings during Lovelight and >>Good Lovin that lose me. Why do those songs have to be 20 minutes long? Am >>I in the minority? Am I missing something? Please enlighten me. > > > Jeez ... we hafta put up with alla this *conservativism* in the newsgroup, > now heresy rears its ugly head. > > Steve, Steve, Steve. When you are playing four hour shows, what is a 20 > minute song? It is *nothing*. > > Actually, at the time I was not a huge huge fan of the extended snake jams > around Pig. I loved the Dark Star and Other One trips that the band was > taking at the time, and to an extent the Pig Pen interludes seemed like > pandering. "Gimme some ass-kinking improvisation, not the Brooklyn Bridge!" > "You see that girl on the corner?" "Thassa girl?, she look like the Brooklyn Bridge!" "He said how much you got?" "I said a dollar and a quarter" "He said 'Sold, the Brooklyn Bridge'. Later on in the song "The doctor standing beside me, he got that needle .." You can guess the rest. Humor. Tom ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pigpen... Date: 9 Oct 2005 23:51:31 -0700 What is this damning with faint praise crap?! Pigpen was THE MAN! Ask Garcia. I knew a girl that got pulled up on stage to dance with Pig at a show. She's still in love with him. Larry ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Beer query Date: 9 Oct 2005 23:56:39 -0700 Didn't have a glass in the golf cart! Guiness in a can sucks. Larry ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Pigpen... Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:28:12 GMT "Steve Terry" wrote > > Maybe it's just me, but Pig's lengthy "raps" get rather boring pretty fast. > Thank god the band is cookin' behind him otherwise I'd be snoozin. Don't get > me wrong, I like his singing, Mr. Charlie, Hard to Handle, Easy Wind, for > example. It's just those mindless ramblings during Lovelight and Good Lovin > that lose me. Why do those songs have to be 20 minutes long? Am I in the > minority? Am I missing something? Please enlighten me. In general I agree with you but his rap with the Dead backing him on the Good Lovin from 7-2-71 is a true classic work of art. Definitely my favorite version. I like the Good Lovin from 4-17-71 too but it's the rap that's the difference - his rap on 4-17 is weak compared to 7-2-71. Bill ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Release 11/70 Portchester Run as Dick's Picks or Download? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:34:20 +0900 On 2005-10-10 07:45:52 +0900, pbuzby2002@yahoo.com said: > > Richard Morris wrote: > >> What is the history on that, Pat? Were recordings not made, or were >> recordings made that subsequently disappeared? > > The story I've heard is that Bear was doing most of the band's live > recordings in '69/'70, and when he went to jail in July '70 no one > taped for a while. > > There have been a few surprises, such as the Sept. '70 Fillmore East > boards emerging in the 90's from a non-vault source. If someone out > there knows more about that than me, jump in, please. > > Pat Buzby > Chicago, IL remember the recent Lemieux interview in which he and Bear conferred about some long-missing Bear tapes? that resulted in some emerging show(s) for general release (for sale) by the GD organization. http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2005_07_09.03.phtml -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: The Master vs. Predator Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:37:05 +0900 > Digital Soundboards will be gittin a ring from my folks at the Chuich > fo' this sho' fo' sho' Consult yo' local BT un'ner groun' railroad > affiliate very soon. > > But I still don' know who to lay the MONEY on. Master or Predator. > > Peace, > > Sean so did Roxanne show up? you never hear her take on the Master! -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Pigpen... Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:42:58 +0900 On 2005-10-10 16:28:12 +0900, "Bill" said: > > "Steve Terry" wrote >> >> Maybe it's just me, but Pig's lengthy "raps" get rather boring pretty > fast. >> Thank god the band is cookin' behind him otherwise I'd be snoozin. Don't > get >> me wrong, I like his singing, Mr. Charlie, Hard to Handle, Easy Wind, for >> example. It's just those mindless ramblings during Lovelight and Good > Lovin >> that lose me. Why do those songs have to be 20 minutes long? Am I in the >> minority? Am I missing something? Please enlighten me. > > In general I agree with you but his rap with the Dead backing him on the > Good Lovin from 7-2-71 is a true classic work of art. Definitely my > favorite version. I like the Good Lovin from 4-17-71 too but it's the rap > that's the difference - his rap on 4-17 is weak compared to 7-2-71. > > Bill Though Pig's pedigree is that of the son of a blues DJ, I agree that he could be a bit rough; yet all of the band were learning as they were going. However, Pig was authentic in his own way, the right guy for the time, and the GD's acknowledged wellspring of inspiration, if not the leader, in that era. -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Junter522" Subject: Re: And this archive message means what? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:12:45 GMT "Gary & Ellie" wrote in message news:IZydnRbGfYO-TdTeRVn-3w@giganews.com... > Richard Morris wrote: > > Got this message on the archive, 12-12-72: > > > > "This show is currently unavailable for download because it cannot be > > located on our servers. We apologize for the inconvenience and hope to have > > access to this show restored as soon as possible." > > > > Should this message be taken at face value, or is it a precursor to > > something else--like a disappearing show? > > > > R. > > > > > Take it at face value. Yea this LA firm is just pissin me off.Buyin the rights to the vault.fuck!!! gary ------------------------------ From: "Brian D." Subject: Re: Short Ends for Brothers In Law Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:23:05 GMT Dave Kelly wrote: >> Hadda a taste for some "Q" this evening... >> Took it down to "Brothers In Law" on Divisadero. >> Peeped the short ends/mixed sauce/BBQ beans/white bread >> ( Keeping it real with the white bread...Nahmeen?) >> Shit was POPPIN' >> Short ends was fallin' off the bone... >> Beans was off the chain! >> I kept it strickly old school with a grape soda...washed the >> leftovers down wit a Lagunitas copper ale...feel me... >> We roll like that. >> Where does other BBQ jump off? >> >> Sweet-Q I smoke my own BBQ, Bellingham isn't exactly a Mecca for the good stuff and your own BBQ will beat out most anything made by the chain restaurants. ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: charlie miller SBD downloads 8/30,31/81 Date: 10 Oct 2005 05:44:21 -0700 Grateful Dead - August 30, 1981 Compton Terrace Amphitheatre Tempe, AZ Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master -> Cassette -> Cassette -> Dat -> CD Transfer Info: CD -> EAC -> Samplitude v7.02 Professional -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net July 19, 2005 Patch Info: There are a few patches in the 1st Set (due to diginoise) with SBD>Cm>?>Cass>CD. There is a split-second of noise in GDTRFB that I couldn't patch. There are also patches in Roses, Might As Well, He's Gone, Drums, Good Lovin and all of Don't Ease Me In from (FOB)Neumann KM84>Cass Master>Dat>Cool Edit Pro>CD. (It's not as bad as it looks) Notes: -- Seamless transition between discs 2 and 3. -- Thanks to Andy Lemieux and Joe Browning for their help with this project. Set 1: d1t01 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo -> d1t02 - Franklin's Tower -> d1t03 - New Minglewood Blues d1t04 - Tennessee Jed d1t05 - Mama Tried -> d1t06 - Mexicali Blues d1t07 - It Must Have Been The Roses d1t08 - Beat It On Down The Line d1t09 - Cumberland Blues -> d1t10 - Looks Like Rain d1t11 - Might As Well Set 2: d2t01 - Samson And Delilah d2t02 - Ship Of Fools d2t03 - Estimated Prophet -> d2t04 - He's Gone -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - The Other One -> d3t03 - Stella Blue -> d3t04 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad -> d3t05 - Good Lovin' Encore: d3t06 - Don't Ease Me In Grateful Dead - August 31, 1981 Aladdin Hotel Theatre - Las Vegas, NV Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master -> ? -> Cassette -> CD Transfer Info: CD -> EAC -> Samplitude v7.02 Professional -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net July 21, 2005 Patch Info: The beginning of Stranger and the middle Of Dew through the end of the show are patched with AUD>Cm>DAT>CD (shnid=9619). There may be another patch somewhere (I forget....) Notes: -- All disc changes are seamless. -- Thanks to Joe Browning for the source discs. Set 1: d1t01 - Feel Like A Stranger d1t02 - Jack-A-Roe -> d1t03 - El Paso d1t04 - Candyman -> d1t05 - Little Red Rooster d1t06 - Loser d1t07 - Cassidy d1t08 - Althea d2t01 - Let It Grow -> d2t02 - Deal Set 2: d2t03 - Lost Sailor -> d2t04 - Saint Of Circumstance -> d2t05 - Scarlet Begonias -> d2t06 - Fire On The Mountain d3t01 - Playing In The Band -> d3t02 - Drums -> d3t03 - Space -> d3t04 - Never Trust A Woman -> d3t05 - Morning Dew -> d3t06 - Playing In The Band Reprise -> d3t07 - Around And Around -> d3t08 - Johnny B. Goode Encore: d3t09 - U.S. Blues Enjoy: JIMI HENDRIX "The First Rays Of The New Rising Sun" Triangle PYCD 084-2 EXCELLENT quality studio outtakes and jam session recorded with the Cry of Love band at The Record Plant (1969) and Electric Lady Studios (1970). Generation: Original CDs > eac > SHN Note: This is not an illegitimate version of the Experience Hendrix release of the same name. Disc 1: 1. Izabella 2. Machine Gun 3. I'm A Man (So I'm Trying To Be) 4. Lord I Can See The Blues (For Me And You) 5. I'm A Man (So I'm Trying To Be) 6. Beginnings 7. Valleys of Neptune Time: 72:05 Disc 2: 1. Send My Love To Linda 2. Ships Passing In The Night 3. Heaven Has No Sorrow 4. Valleys Of Neptune 5. Alcatrazz 6. Night Bird Flying 7. Live And Let Live 8. Highway Of Desire / $7 Dollar In My Pocket 9. Midnight Lightning 10. Angel 11. Look Over Yonder 12. Astroman 13. 1983... A Merman I Should Turn To Be Time: 76:13 Total 778MB Sorry, no artwork. Try jamaka.kamphorst.com. This was released in 1993 and remains as one of my favorite bootlegs. Not to toot my own horn, but every Hendrix fan should get this. I won't say why; the music speaks for itself. dizong ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .