From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #512 Dead-Flames Digest #512, Volume #48 Thu, 6 Oct 05 12:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: The Future of Food in Chicago (ndc) ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Tribal stomp ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: New rackmount gear... (wyeknot) Re: New rackmount gear... ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Tribal stomp ("Deke_Rivers") Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: archive.org? ("gnome") Re: archive.org? ("gnome") Re: US Festival 9/5/82: does a DVD video exist anywhere? ("AwolfOutWest69") Network feud leads to Net blackout- why service to some sites and your email is down ("gnome") Re: 21 years ago - 10/6/84 (pantagruel) Re: I'm quitting my job.... ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Baseball playoffs: don't get me started! (NDC) (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall ("Richard Morris") Re: Pride of Man (NDC) ("alex sandoval") Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall (Gladys) Re: NDC: Bonnie Raitt? ("alex sandoval") Re: JC chats with Phil! ("alex sandoval") Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall ("Richard Morris") Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: archive.org? ("Huh98") Re: New rackmount gear... (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... ("Ray") Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... ("Ray") Re: New rackmount gear... ("king88uy7") Re: NDC: Bonnie Raitt? ("imsjry") Re: Dead Dowqnload -- $12.75 for a single disc d/l??? ("imsjry") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: The Future of Food in Chicago (ndc) Date: 6 Oct 2005 10:34:47 -0700 Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/avh2z http://datacore.sciflicks.com/soylent_green/sounds/soylent_green_from_people.wav ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Tribal stomp Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:35:07 -0700 "Deke_Rivers" wrote in message news:1128616629.880136.116870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Looking for a copy of the 1978 Tribal Stomp in Berkeley. Is it on any > online archive? > Thanks, > pierre Wow, if you find it, please post here. I was at that show, my last trip. As usual, all memories are odd snippets. I recall David LaFlamme coming out, waving his arms around, and saying "I see patterns, patterns". Lee Michaels scared me. Country Joe and the Fish terrified me, especially during Section 43. I recall Big Brother wearing shiny polyester shirts, which also scared me. That's the day I first met Timothy Leary and Allen Ginsberg as they played bongos in the aisles. More fear. We lost a friend on the way in, found seats way up in the grass, and 10 minutes later we all saw him as he waved at us across tens of thousands of people. A moment later he was sitting down next to us. This really weird super pale, almost transparent SF gay kid, dressed in a swastika t-shirt and looking like a frail proto-skinhead wanna be, kept groping this huge hairy biker guy in front of us. Scary day, whew. Wonder what the music sounded like.............. EGBH ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: New rackmount gear... Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:37:22 -0400 Richard Morris wrote: > "The Iron Muffin" wrote in message > news:4eOdnQP_OpIOyNjeRVn-qQ@comcast.com... > >>Hey now, my freaky darlings. >> >>Those of you with musical proclivities will appreciate this: >> >>I have recently acquired a Lexicon MX200 digital reverb >>and effects processor, and a Behringer Bass V-Amp Pro >>is winging its way to me as I write this. They join my old >>Midiverb 4 and my Fuhrman power conditioner in the rack. >> >>My powers are growing with every passing moment! >> >>Next on my list are a rackmount tuner and a rackmount >>equalizer. I am looking at the dbx 231 equalizer, and >>the Korg DTR-2000 tuner. Anybody have experience >>with these tools? > > A guitar playing friend sez rack-mount tuners are not a particularly good > investment. Actually, he doesn't like electronic tuners much at all--says > that they only approximate, and that ear is best. Putting one in a rack > means you have to lug it around, and means you can't separate it from you > practice rig if, like most folks I know, you don't bring full gear to > rehearsals. > > How does he tune? To the keyboard, initially, then by ear. The bass player > has a tiny portable tuner that he brings to gigs and to rehearsals ... about > the size of a deck of playing cards. I'd find it impossible to tune by ear in some of the places I play, pubs mostly. Heck, the aural combination of statements like "you guys rock," "that was awesome," and "Freebird!" makes tuning non-electronically very difficult. At this point though, I'm just plugging an acoustic guitar into the board and use an Intellitouch vibrational tuner on the headstock. No need for a rack with my setup. Matt ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: New rackmount gear... Date: 6 Oct 2005 10:41:15 -0700 wyeknot wrote: > Richard Morris wrote: > > "The Iron Muffin" wrote in message > > news:4eOdnQP_OpIOyNjeRVn-qQ@comcast.com... > > > >>Hey now, my freaky darlings. > >> > >>Those of you with musical proclivities will appreciate this: > >> > >>I have recently acquired a Lexicon MX200 digital reverb > >>and effects processor, and a Behringer Bass V-Amp Pro > >>is winging its way to me as I write this. They join my old > >>Midiverb 4 and my Fuhrman power conditioner in the rack. > >> > >>My powers are growing with every passing moment! > >> > >>Next on my list are a rackmount tuner and a rackmount > >>equalizer. I am looking at the dbx 231 equalizer, and > >>the Korg DTR-2000 tuner. Anybody have experience > >>with these tools? > > > > A guitar playing friend sez rack-mount tuners are not a particularly good > > investment. Actually, he doesn't like electronic tuners much at all--says > > that they only approximate, and that ear is best. Putting one in a rack > > means you have to lug it around, and means you can't separate it from you > > practice rig if, like most folks I know, you don't bring full gear to > > rehearsals. > > > > How does he tune? To the keyboard, initially, then by ear. The bass player > > has a tiny portable tuner that he brings to gigs and to rehearsals ... about > > the size of a deck of playing cards. > > I'd find it impossible to tune by ear in some of the places I play, pubs > mostly. Heck, the aural combination of statements like "you guys rock," > "that was awesome," and "Freebird!" makes tuning non-electronically very > difficult. ....and of course the oft heard: STFU! > No need for a rack with my setup. I would certainly hope not. Mark ------------------------------ From: "Deke_Rivers" Subject: Re: Tribal stomp Date: 6 Oct 2005 10:42:20 -0700 >Wonder what the music sounded like.............. Sounded great. Years ago, I had a cassette of the Country Joe & the Fish set, which was quite good(they also played a couple weeks before that at Keystone Palo Alto, and they smoked). The (original)Butterfield Blues Band was the highlight of the day for me. It's a Beautiful Day's set was also killer(if I recall, they were billed as It Was a Beautiful day, due to some litigation with Matthew Katz). Big Brother was a little rough though... Pierre ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall Date: 6 Oct 2005 10:43:39 -0700 Richard Morris wrote: > "brew ziggins" wrote in message > news:MPG.1daf1ab2438dacfa989807@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > > Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... > >> marklaw wrote: > >> > Performance pretty good for old geezers. > >> > > >> > Recording quality a major disappointment. > >> > > >> > In this day and age, why can't a band like this come up with live > >> > recording quality that approaches '60s and '70s GD shows on > >> > archive.org? > >> > >> > >> Shame on anyone for listening to this direction-less white blues, yet > >> soulless vampin'. > > > > That's harsh, dude! But I kinda agree with you. > > Shame on anyone for telling anyone else what kind of music to listen to or > enjoy. > Especially when mis-categorizing the music in question. > > R. OOOOOoooooooooopps..... Now I gotta add Cream to my list of things I now know suck per RMGD!!!! ;p Rick ------------------------------ From: "gnome" Subject: Re: archive.org? Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:59:49 -0400 What most likely is happening is this.... Two major Internet backbone companies are feuding, potentially cutting off significant swaths of the Internet for some of each other's customers. http://news.com.com/Network%20feud%20leads%20to%20Net%20blackout/2100-1038_3-5889592.html?part=rss&tag=5889592&subj=news "Jamie Fisher" wrote in message news:2Sc1f.28014$K91.10660@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > Nothing like kicking a man we he's down... > I wish I was too Nick!!! > > > -Jamie > > "Nick's Picks" wrote in message > news:1128617831.183008.228310@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> I've been downloading 2-3 shows a time at 9-16mb over the last couple >> days. up and running, she is!! >> > > ------------------------------ From: "gnome" Subject: Re: archive.org? Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:00:28 -0400 Two major Internet backbone companies are feuding, potentially cutting off significant swaths of the Internet for some of each other's customers. http://news.com.com/Network%20feud%20leads%20to%20Net%20blackout/2100-1038_3-5889592.html?part=rss&tag=5889592&subj=news "The Lord of Eltingville" wrote in message news:di3fm701iqj@news2.newsguy.com... > Jamie Fisher wrote: >> >> Anyone else having trouble? > > The 627.8KB/s download of 5/11/72 I've currently got happening suggests > that it's working fine... ------------------------------ From: "AwolfOutWest69" Subject: Re: US Festival 9/5/82: does a DVD video exist anywhere? Date: 6 Oct 2005 11:01:43 -0700 The only reference in the Compendium video list is for a 5 minute clip. I recently captured a very clean copy of this clip, from "Women are Smarter". It's clear that it was shot for a short news segment, as it's not the entire song, but just clips of Bobby singing, Jerry soloing, the crowd, the drummers, etc. Looks like they were having fun, even in the early slot. I'll include this as filler in a future DVD, but if you want the clip just to see what's what, I'd be glad to send it to you. awolfoutwest69@yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "gnome" Subject: Network feud leads to Net blackout- why service to some sites and your email is down Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:01:55 -0400 Network feud leads to Net blackout Two major Internet backbone companies are feuding, potentially cutting off significant swaths of the Internet for some of each other's customers. http://news.com.com/Network%20feud%20leads%20to%20Net%20blackout/2100-1038_3-5889592.html?part=rss&tag=5889592&subj=news ------------------------------ From: pantagruel Subject: Re: 21 years ago - 10/6/84 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:02:17 GMT LP wrote: > One of my favorite Scarlet B.-> Fire on the Mt. of all time. > Richmond VA - a typical coliseum with a special affinity for Phil's > bass bombs. The show had typical '84 character - some difficult vocals > for Garcia, but also some FIERY interludes by the band as a whole. > This Scarlet has one of the most RIPPIN' guitar solos Jerry ever gave > to this song. The drummers were playing double-time steam-train > chugging rythym throughout the entire song. And the Fire was lond and > luxurious with plenty of Mutron from JG. > > It's a good one, even a '70s zealot might think it doesn't suck. > > LP > Best . . . Scarlet/Fire . . . ever . . . ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: I'm quitting my job.... Date: 6 Oct 2005 11:02:15 -0700 webmaster.opr@gmail.com wrote: > band beyond description wrote: > > "Ben" wrote in message > > news:qum9k11fsjv2dtd7am9a9jg4ov9tgp6csu@4ax.com... > > > I've been criticized for bitching about my job here before, but I'm > > > finally quitting it. > > > > > > I'm sort of counting my chickens before they hatch, but I believe I'll > > > get this one with no major problems and when I do, I'll get an > > > effective salary increase of up to 66%. > > > > > > All I can say is 'fuck yeah' and 'fuck you' to my current boss. > > > > > > Plus, with this new job, I'll be about an hour away from Red Rocks. > > > > > > How's that for a fringe benefit? > > > > though I'm sure it's tempting, just don't literally "burn your bridges" like > > Homer Simpson! Woo-hoo!! "In your face, Burns!" > > -- > > Peace, > > ~ Steve > > My thoughts exactly. No matter how much I hated my boss, his boss or > another co-worker I've never burned a bridge. You just never know if > you'll run into to this guy or a friend of his again. > > Let me ask you one question. Will the new job want to call and verify > your employment at the old one? They are RYK. Nothing really to be gained, and no telling the cost. Rick ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: Baseball playoffs: don't get me started! (NDC) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:04:07 GMT Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > "Rick L" wrote in message . > Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message ... > > White Sox! White Sox! White Sox! > ************************************ > What she said. > ********************** > > Boy, sure is chilly in this thread. > Feels like a cold wind from the > north east... I'm rootin' for the Black Sox because I'd like to see my Cardinals stomp them in the Series. Nothing better than a St. Louis - Chicago World Series to piss off the pompous assholes on the east coast. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:09:38 -0700 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1128620619.599350.282640@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Richard Morris wrote: >> "brew ziggins" wrote in message >> news:MPG.1daf1ab2438dacfa989807@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... >> > Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... >> >> marklaw wrote: >> >> > Performance pretty good for old geezers. >> >> > >> >> > Recording quality a major disappointment. >> >> > >> >> > In this day and age, why can't a band like this come up with live >> >> > recording quality that approaches '60s and '70s GD shows on >> >> > archive.org? >> >> >> >> >> >> Shame on anyone for listening to this direction-less white blues, yet >> >> soulless vampin'. >> > >> > That's harsh, dude! But I kinda agree with you. >> >> Shame on anyone for telling anyone else what kind of music to listen to >> or >> enjoy. >> Especially when mis-categorizing the music in question. >> >> R. > > > > OOOOOoooooooooopps..... > > > Now I gotta add Cream to my list of things I now know suck per RMGD!!!! Yeah ... and when ya listen to them, don't tell anyone, close your windows and doors, and make sure to keep it down lest someone hear you playing that white-boy music. Oh, excuuuuse me ... that *soul-less* white boy music. R. ------------------------------ From: "alex sandoval" Subject: Re: Pride of Man (NDC) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:16:58 GMT first cippolina, then kilmer, now hamilton. loved those thunder and lightening versions in the '80's in north beach. mebe gravenities will do it in the park on oct. 30..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:21:18 -0600 From: Gladys Subject: Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall Richard Morris wrote: > Yeah ... and when ya listen to them, don't tell anyone, close your windows > and doors, and make sure to keep it down lest someone hear you playing that > white-boy music. Oh, excuuuuse me ... that *soul-less* white boy music. > If you don't like to be disagreed with, excuse me, but you are in the wrong place. Right or wrong, that's the truth.... I shall now await someone to tell me I'm wrong. JC? :-) Gladys. ------------------------------ From: "alex sandoval" Subject: Re: NDC: Bonnie Raitt? Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:21:46 GMT still one of the greats on slide ------------------------------ From: "alex sandoval" Subject: Re: JC chats with Phil! Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:22:43 GMT jcflyer.com ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:26:01 -0700 "Gladys" wrote in message news:PLednaCrg4iD9tjeRVn-gw@forethought.net... > > > Richard Morris wrote: >> Yeah ... and when ya listen to them, don't tell anyone, close your >> windows and doors, and make sure to keep it down lest someone hear you >> playing that white-boy music. Oh, excuuuuse me ... that *soul-less* >> white boy music. >> > > If you don't like to be disagreed with, excuse me, but you are in the > wrong place. Right or wrong, that's the truth.... > > I shall now await someone to tell me I'm wrong. JC? Eh? I have to like to be disagreed with to be here? I disagree with that .... don't you agree? Actually, I haven't been disagreed with (at least on this topic). I am disagreeing with JC. But I would have to agree that JC is often disagreeable. Hope that clears thing up for you. R. ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Cream at Royal Albert Hall Date: 6 Oct 2005 11:31:49 -0700 Gladys wrote: > Richard Morris wrote: > > Yeah ... and when ya listen to them, don't tell anyone, close your windows > > and doors, and make sure to keep it down lest someone hear you playing that > > white-boy music. Oh, excuuuuse me ... that *soul-less* white boy music. > > > > If you don't like to be disagreed with, excuse me, but you are in the > wrong place. Right or wrong, that's the truth.... > > I shall now await someone to tell me I'm wrong. JC? > > :-) > > Gladys. Disagreements?!??!! RMGD?!?!?! Rick ------------------------------ From: "Huh98" Subject: Re: archive.org? Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:33:04 -0400 I'm getting a lot of : "Error reading XML data" or nothing at all when I try to download or stream a song This is only in the past few days.... but then again, sometimes it does work.... ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: New rackmount gear... Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:11:48 -0400 The Iron Muffin wrote: > > Hey now, my freaky darlings. > > Those of you with musical proclivities will appreciate this: > > I have recently acquired a Lexicon MX200 digital reverb > and effects processor, and a Behringer Bass V-Amp Pro > is winging its way to me as I write this. They join my old > Midiverb 4 and my Fuhrman power conditioner in the rack. I found a cool eyeball sticker for my Firebird case... > My powers are growing with every passing moment! As is your electric bill. ;-> > Next on my list are a rackmount tuner and a rackmount > equalizer. I am looking at the dbx 231 equalizer, and > the Korg DTR-2000 tuner. Anybody have experience > with these tools? They'll have to pry my Peterson Model 420 (http://www.petersontuners.com/images/bank/Model420.jpg) from my cold, dead fingers. They also makes rack-mount strobe tuners for you hi-tech guys: http://www.petersontuners.com/products/modelr490 http://www.petersontuners.com/products/modelr590 ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... Date: 6 Oct 2005 11:37:35 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > >> The Founders were far more vicious and personal in their attacks and > >> campaigns against each others' very existence than the comparatively tame > >> and polite politics of today, > > > At the politican level I agree. However on the non-politican level I > > think the propaganda and rhetoric is as vicious today as it's ever > > been. > > Instead of being actual men and saying all those horrible things themselves, > our current batch of mental midgets use surrogates to do their dirty deeds. > > It had more punch when it came from some Founder using a Roman name; a name > everyone knew meant Hamilton, Jefferson, Clinton, Burr, Madison, Adams, etc. True, although the Founders also sometimes used surrogates to do their dirty work. Consider Jefferson's use of muckraker James Calender to attack Adams and Hamilton, and then lying about doing so. (Which came back to bite him in a big way: After becoming president, Jefferson refused to accomodate Calender's request for money and to be appointed a postmaster. When Jefferson responded with only $50 and no appointment, Calendar switched political allegiences and most notably outed Jefferson's involvement with his 3/4ths white, and probaly half-sister of his deceased wife, slave Sally Hemings.) > > Yeah - unlike today's major political leaders, the major political > > leaders of the Founding era were true statesmen. (With some > > expections, for example Burr.) > > And Clinton, the first parochial local political baron with national > influence. Yup. > > That said I don't see Kerry, or any other major Democratic figure, on > > the same political hardball level as Bush, or rather on the same level > > as Rove and DeLay. Rove and DeLay (and others) play political hardball > > in a way that the Dems don't, and I think that's part of the Dems' > > problem (in terms of losing elections) - at the national political > > level, not even Democratic pit bulls (relatively speaking) like Dean > > have the stomach to go that low (and, in DeLay's case, that flagrantly > > illegal). YMMV. > > Instead of being consistent in their attacks over the course of decades, > pounding the American psyche with buzzwords and catch phrases until they are > accepted as universal truth, they hit and run, shifting from one minor > scandal to another. Not to mention that they will never be as organized as > the Republicans, mainly because they don't all agree on everything like > Republicans do. Agreed. However IMO when the Dems "hit and run" (at the national level) they usually do so with more substantial basis than the Repubs - compare, say, the Dems attacks on DeLay's ethics vs. the Repubs attacks on Kerry's Vietnam war record. > Gross generalization: Democrats attack individuals, Republicans attack a > philosophy (one they themselves mostly created as their opposition). I don't see that - in my view Dems attack the Republican philosophy, and the Repubs attack individuals (Kerry, and Clintons Bill and Hillary, anyone?), about as equally as the other way around. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... Date: 6 Oct 2005 11:41:35 -0700 RickNBarbInSD wrote: > Ray wrote: > > Rove and DeLay (and others) play political hardball > > in a way that the Dems don't, > > Ray > > > Oh, do you mean dirty, crooked, unprincipled, immoral, unscrupulous, > dishonorable, corrupt, and unethical?!?!?! ;D Generally speaking, yes. Which isn't to say that Dems can't be all of those things and more as well, but Rove and DeLay take it to the next level. Ray ------------------------------ From: "king88uy7" Subject: Re: New rackmount gear... Date: 6 Oct 2005 11:42:01 -0700 You can play like every Def Leppard tune ever with that gear. Sick! ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: NDC: Bonnie Raitt? Date: 6 Oct 2005 11:55:51 -0700 I like Bertha. wrote: > My wife and I are going to see her next weekend. Turing Stone Casino, > Verona, NY. Tickets were a gift. (yeah!) > > I hear she's pretty cool.. What can we expect? Has anyone here ever > seen her... lately? > Based on a show I saw of her's a few years ago, she is great live. She's the real deal and her last two discs are so underrated it's sick. ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: Dead Dowqnload -- $12.75 for a single disc d/l??? Date: 6 Oct 2005 11:57:17 -0700 DB wrote: > They have got to be kidding, right? $12.75 in FLAC format for the > newest release and it is only one disc! I know 3/17/68 is not in > circulation and looks like it has a good set list: > > 1. Turn On Your Lovelight (Scott, Malone) > 2. That's It For The Other One > > Cryptical Envelopment > (Garcia) > The Other One > (Weir, Kreutzmann) > Cryptical Envelopment (Garcia) > 3. New Potato Caboose > (Lesh Peterson) > 4. China Cat Sunflower > (Garcia, Hunter) > 5. The Eleven > (Lesh, Hunter) > 6. Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) > (Grateful Dead) > 7. Feedback Grateful Dead) This show is worth it at twice the price! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .