From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #500 Dead-Flames Digest #500, Volume #48 Wed, 5 Oct 05 13:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... ("Carlisle") Re: Police make dozens of arrests @ Rolling Stones concert. (wyeknot) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (webmaster.opr@gmail.com) Re: [BT] gd1976-06-29 bertha.flac ("Schmoe") Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... ("Ray") Re: I tried to grow a beard (Brad Greer) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (Brad Greer) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (Brad Greer) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (Brad Greer) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (Brad Greer) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (Brad Greer) Re: Wookiee Content! You Write The Caption ("Stuknot") Re: greatest song ever ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: One man takes on the scalpers (DG) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (DG) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (DG) N.S.U. (NDC) (Spider Dawg) Re: greatest song ever ("Andrew Murawa") Re: N.S.U. (NDC) ("ck") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... Date: 5 Oct 2005 11:42:53 -0700 > Ray > > _______________________ > > "To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, > that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, > in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a > spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to > prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from > family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to > popularity... He would be both ashamed and afraid to bring forward, for > the most distinguished or lucrative stations, candidates who had no > other merit than that of coming from the same State to which he > particularly belonged, or of being in some way or other personally > allied to him, or of possessing the necessary insignificance and > pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of his pleasure." > > - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 76 I read this excerpt from the Federalist Papers in a piece yesterday in the WSJ titles "Cronyism" by Randy E. Barnett. I don't see how Ms. Harriet Miers would not fall into the "personal attachment" category. She surely has a soft spot for President Bush. How could she ever be objective? No one is truly *objective*, so the Senate will have to look at all the other qualifications that John Roberts possessed (in the opinion of a majority) and see if she is Supreme Court material. C-Span will still be boring because of the senators' political speeches and pontificating as part of their questioning.. Give me liberty- Carrie ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Police make dozens of arrests @ Rolling Stones concert. Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:53:06 -0400 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > ba ba booie wrote: >>bbb wrote: >>Where is all the hash? > > I gave mine to some big guy at a show years ago to hold for me, but > when I got back the fuckin' guy was gone! Whudda f*cking bastard!!! Matt ------------------------------ From: webmaster.opr@gmail.com Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: 5 Oct 2005 11:56:52 -0700 Rupert wrote: > How can this guy try to sue the ticket agents, but then have the gaul > to go out and USE the tickets? If he's doing business with these > people, then he's part of the problem. It's like buying drugs, using > them up, and then calling the cops on the dealers, saying "he sold me > drugs"! The problem is Rupert that the only way to see a sporting event any more is to buy through a scalper. If you don't buy seats the day they go on sale for the season your SOL. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: [BT] gd1976-06-29 bertha.flac Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:09:13 -0400 DB wrote: > > > LOL. Now, what is the speed of a fully laden sparrow? Blue? ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... Date: 5 Oct 2005 12:13:56 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > > "To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, > > that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, > > in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a > > spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to > > prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from > > family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to > > popularity... He would be both ashamed and afraid to bring forward, for > > the most distinguished or lucrative stations, candidates who had no > > other merit than that of coming from the same State to which he > > particularly belonged, or of being in some way or other personally > > allied to him, or of possessing the necessary insignificance and > > pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of his pleasure." > > > > - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 76 > > I read this excerpt from the Federalist Papers in a piece yesterday in > the WSJ titles "Cronyism" by Randy E. Barnett. As did I - recommended reading. Here's Barnett's (Professor of Law at Boston University and the author of "Restoring the Lost Constitution: The Presumption of Liberty") take on the relevance of Federalist No. 76 to the Miers nomination: ______________________________ As the quote from Hamilton suggests, the core purpose of Senate confirmation of presidential nominees is to screen out the appointment of "cronies," which Merriam-Webster defines as "a close friend especially of long standing." Cronyism is bad not only because it leads to less qualified judges, but also because we want a judiciary with independence from the executive branch. A longtime friend of the president who has served as his close personal and political adviser and confidante, no matter how fine a lawyer, can hardly be expected to be sufficiently independent--especially during the remaining term of her former boss. ______________________________ More at: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007354 Ray ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:18:58 -0400 On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:58:12 -0500, Tom Beck wrote: >seraphim wrote: >> ok break out yer Frank Zappa shiek yer booti album >> tryin to grow me a chin >> >> btw my beard is kinda grey now not my hair just the beard > > >It is not at all uncommon for beards and >head hair to be of different color. > I had a beard for about 20 years and shaved it a few years ago because it had gone grey much qucker than my hair, making me look old. Of course I have a fair amount of grey hair as well, but the beard was completely grey. It took a little getting used to without the beard, but now I hardly remember having one. I still don't really like shaving, but I don't feel like growing a beard again (although when my hair finishes going grey I might). ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:18:59 -0400 On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:14:20 -0700, DG wrote: >volkfolk wrote: >> >>DG wrote >> >>> leftie wrote: >>>> >>>>DG wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rogues Island's finest wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Rupert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>How can this guy try to sue the ticket agents, but then have the gaul >>>>>>>to go out and USE the tickets? If he's doing business with these >>>>>>>people, then he's part of the problem. It's like buying drugs, using >>>>>>>them up, and then calling the cops on the dealers, saying "he sold me >>>>>>>drugs"! >>>>>> >>>>>>Why shouldn't he use the tickets? He sure as hell paid for the damn >>>>>>things, and he wouldn't have a case unless he bought 'em for the >>>>>>inflated price. >>>>> >>>>> It's not like this guy didn't know the costs upfront. He's a scumbag >>>>> for buying from them and then suing. Either don't buy and sue or buy >>>>> and STFU. >>>> >>>>Horseshit. Fuck the scalpers. Any way, every day. >>> >>> >>> LOL... >>> >>> Down with free market econimics!############## >> >>It isn't free market economics, these ticket agencys are completely corrupt >>and tied in with the promoters. > > >So? > > >>I can't speak to how it works in your part >>of the world, but here in the Northeast a big show or ballgame sells out in >>a matter of minutes and the ticket agents have them for sale well above face >>value, sometimes BEFORE the show goes on sale. > > >The real problem is that those shows/ballgames aren't priced >appropriately in the first place. When scalpers have access to tickets before they go on sale to the general public they create an artificial shortage of tickets that drives the price up. I don't have an issue with bands and teams charging what they think the market will bear, but they should be able to set their price. They may have reasons for charging less than what the market will absolutely bear (such as lower prices makes their events affordable to a greater number of people, thus building a bigger market that they can then sell other merchandise to), scalpers add nothing of value to the equation. >>They are scum, plain and simple, > > >Nah... > > >>They are screwing both the performers and the fans > > >If you don't like the cost then don't buy the product. > ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:19:00 -0400 On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:51:30 -0700, DG wrote: >DGDevin wrote: >> >>This is like someone diverting >>groceries from your local supermarket so that when you need bread and milk >>you have to buy them from a food scalper in the alley at greatly increased >>prices because the delivery to the store was never going to be enough to >>meet the demand, it's a big fat scam. > > >Yeah, except food is needed for survival. Concerts and sporting >events are luxuries. > What does the fact that tickets for concerts and sporting events are luxuries have to do with anything? Scalpers peverting the market are still screwing with the free market you claim to endorse. ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:19:02 -0400 On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:04:01 -0700, DG wrote: >DGDevin wrote: >> >>DG wrote >> >>> So you doubt what I've written above? You eat concerts and enjoy >>> listening to food? >> >>Man does not live by bread alone. Just because something isn't vital to >>survival isn't a reason to tolerate corruption. > > >What is corrupt about two people agreeing on a price? The person setting the price had access the person buying the tickets doesn't - the scalper often gets tickets by paying off people in the ticketing service or box office. That is corrupt. The scalper is not adding value, if the scalper didn't get access to tickets before the general public than more tickets would be available to the free market so a more realistic price could be set. >>Deceptive and sometimes >>illegal practices to raise ticket prices are common in the ticket industry, >>why shouldn't something be done about an issue that most people care about >>to some extent? Why should people who want to take their kid to a ball game >>have to go to some scumbag scalper and pay many times face value? Why >>should going to a concert have become an exercise in economics? How many >>people would have gone to see The Dead back in the 70s if "brokers" had all >>the tickets and were charging thirty bucks each? > > >Sounds like you need a better job if you can't afford tickets. Nice elitist attitude. >>> At what point did the earth quit squeezing petroleum out of porous >>> rock? >> >>That isn't what you posted, you actually seemed to think oil was still being >>formed, > > >What makes you think it isn't? > > >>your zeal for argument is rarely matched by your knowledge of the >>subject being discussed. > > >LOL... > >Again, at what point did the earth quit squeezing petroleum out of >porous rock? > > > > ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:19:03 -0400 On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:27:16 -0700, DG wrote: >leftie wrote: >> >>DG wrote: >> >>> leftie wrote: >>> >>>>DG wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Rogues Island's finest wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Rupert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>How can this guy try to sue the ticket agents, but then have the gaul >>>>>>>to go out and USE the tickets? If he's doing business with these >>>>>>>people, then he's part of the problem. It's like buying drugs, using >>>>>>>them up, and then calling the cops on the dealers, saying "he sold me >>>>>>>drugs"! >>>>>> >>>>>>Why shouldn't he use the tickets? He sure as hell paid for the damn >>>>>>things, and he wouldn't have a case unless he bought 'em for the >>>>>>inflated price. >>>>> >>>>>It's not like this guy didn't know the costs upfront. He's a scumbag >>>>>for buying from them and then suing. Either don't buy and sue or buy >>>>>and STFU. >>>> >>>>Horseshit. Fuck the scalpers. Any way, every day. >>> >>> LOL... >>> >>> Down with free market econimics!############## >> >>There is no free market when it comes to ticket scalping. The business >>is corrupt from top to bottom. >> >>http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/reports/scalping/exec_summary.html > > >We are talking about a luxury item. It's not like people need a show >to survive. > >Wasting the court's time with this type of crap is horrible. > Could you please outlines the times when you think corruption is okay? Where do we draw the line? You seem to agree that "scalping" food would be a bad thing, but what about gourmet food? If you claim to be in favor of a free market than you should be upset at anything that disrupts the free market. The NY State AG report clearly shows the ticket industry is not a truly free market. Apparently, that's okay with you. As you say, down with free market economics (or econimics, if you prefer). ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:19:04 -0400 On 2 Oct 2005 09:49:37 -0700, "Jerry Lobrowski" wrote: >But its not necessarily rigged in favor of the scalpers. Lots of those >tickets never go to the general public to begin with. They go to season >ticket holders and corporate interests. The venue may hold 15,000 but >there may not necessarily be 15,000 made available to the general >public. > Season ticket holders are the general public, you know. I've got season tickets for the Giants (football). Anybody can sign up for their waiting list to get season tickets (although current estimates are that it will take 150 years for your name to make it to the top, maybe when they build their new stadium they can cut that down to an even 100). You could, perhaps, argue that the season ticket system is unfair - if a team sells out all its games through season ticket sales than individual game tickets are not available. However, if the season ticket list is open to all I don't see a problem with it. ------------------------------ From: "Stuknot" Subject: Re: Wookiee Content! You Write The Caption Date: 5 Oct 2005 12:25:21 -0700 Kelly Humphries wrote: "You only missed dunking Vader by a smidge, try once more Chewie!" John H. ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: greatest song ever Date: 5 Oct 2005 12:33:59 -0700 alex sandoval wrote: > i remember Dick LatPick saying, "yeah, whenever i spin, people come up to me > and all they can ever say is 'scarlet, scarlet, scarlet'" > > to which i could only add, "althea, althea, althea" > > but then i'm sure there're a few out there who say > > "peggy o, peggy o, peggy o" > > or even > > "drums, drums drums"? I wasn't sure if you meant Grateful Dead song or not but it got me to thinkn' about it. This was really tough there are so many "favorites" I have, but I tried to narrow it down to my top ten and still had to make some really tough choices in leaving certain songs OUT of my top ten (i.e. Easy Wind, Tennessee Jed). How could those NOT be on it?!?!?! BUT, anyway here's what I came up with: 1. Dark Star 2. Wharf Rat 3. Jack Sraw 4. One More Saturday Night 5. Eyes of the World 6. Sugar Magnolia 7. Brokedown Palace 8. Box of Rain 9. Friend of the Devil 10. Playin' in the Band DAMN! That was tough!! Well...those is some damn good fuckin' songs right there anyway!!!!!! Rick ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:36:37 -0700 Brad Greer wrote: > >DG wrote: > >>DGDevin wrote: >>> >>>This is like someone diverting >>>groceries from your local supermarket so that when you need bread and milk >>>you have to buy them from a food scalper in the alley at greatly increased >>>prices because the delivery to the store was never going to be enough to >>>meet the demand, it's a big fat scam. >> >> >>Yeah, except food is needed for survival. Concerts and sporting >>events are luxuries. >> >What does the fact that tickets for concerts and sporting events are >luxuries have to do with anything? They aren't needed for survival so bitching about the cost is pointless. >Scalpers peverting the market are >still screwing with the free market you claim to endorse. Are they still "screwing" with the free market when they take a loss? ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:43:21 -0700 Brad Greer wrote: > >DG wrote: > >>DGDevin wrote: >>> >>>DG wrote >>> >>>> So you doubt what I've written above? You eat concerts and enjoy >>>> listening to food? >>> >>>Man does not live by bread alone. Just because something isn't vital to >>>survival isn't a reason to tolerate corruption. >> >> >>What is corrupt about two people agreeing on a price? > >The person setting the price had access the person buying the tickets >doesn't Really? >- the scalper often gets tickets by paying off people in the >ticketing service or box office. That is corrupt. The scalper is not >adding value, if the scalper didn't get access to tickets before the >general public than more tickets would be available to the free market >so a more realistic price could be set. Fair price is where supply meets demand. >>>Deceptive and sometimes >>>illegal practices to raise ticket prices are common in the ticket industry, >>>why shouldn't something be done about an issue that most people care about >>>to some extent? Why should people who want to take their kid to a ball game >>>have to go to some scumbag scalper and pay many times face value? Why >>>should going to a concert have become an exercise in economics? How many >>>people would have gone to see The Dead back in the 70s if "brokers" had all >>>the tickets and were charging thirty bucks each? >> >> >>Sounds like you need a better job if you can't afford tickets. > >Nice elitist attitude. LOL... FRANK ZAPPA lyrics - "Teen-Age Wind" It's a miserable Friday night; I'm so lonely And nobody'll give me a ride To the Grateful Dead concert... Oh rats! I got to be free Free as the wind Free is the way I got to be Maybe I'm lost Maybe I sinned I got to be Totally free Our parents don't love us Our teachers they say Things that are boring So we're running away And we will be free And people will see That when we are free That's the way we should be Nothing left to do but get out the 'ol glue (Sniff it good now. ..) Our parents don't love us Our teachers they say Things that are boring So we're running away And we will be free And people will see That when we are free That's the way we should be (WE MUST BE FREE!) The glue! The glue! I can't find the glue! (WE MUST BE FREE AS THE WIND) If I was at the concert now, I'd be RIPPED! (WE WERE FREE WHEN WE WERE BORN!) I could tighten my headband for an extra rush During Jerry's guitar solo Then I could go to a midnite show of 200 MOTELS! (WE WERE BORN FREE, BUT, NOW WE ARE NOT FREE ANYMORE!) "Opal, you hot little bitch!" "You can take this pin n' hang it in yer ass!" "You ain't the devil!" "Where's my waitress?" BUT WE WANNA BE FREE AN'WERE GONNA BE FREE YES, WE WANT TO BE FREE AND WE'RE GONNA BE FREE ...did you know that FREE IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR NOTHING OR DO NOTHING WE WANT TO BE FREE FREE AS THE WIND FREE IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR NOTHING OR DO NOTHING WE WANT TO BE FREE FREE AS THE WIND FREE IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR NOTHING OR DO NOTHING WE WANT TO BE FREE FREE AS THE WIND FREE IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR NOTHING OR DO NOTHING WE WANT TO BE FREE FREE AS THE WIND ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:49:06 -0700 Brad Greer wrote: > >DG wrote: >> >>We are talking about a luxury item. It's not like people need a show >>to survive. >> >>Wasting the court's time with this type of crap is horrible. >> >Could you please outlines the times when you think corruption is okay? What is corrupt about buying a ticket in the aftermarket? >Where do we draw the line? You seem to agree that "scalping" food >would be a bad thing, but what about gourmet food? I don't agree with that. Gourmet food is a luxury item so you pay more for it. I see nothing wrong with it. >If you claim to be >in favor of a free market than you should be upset at anything that >disrupts the free market. A free market economy is an economy in which the allocation for resources is determined only by their supply and the demand for them. >The NY State AG report clearly shows the >ticket industry is not a truly free market. Apparently, that's okay >with you. As you say, down with free market economics (or econimics, >if you prefer). If you don't want to pay too much for a ticket then don't. ------------------------------ From: Spider Dawg Subject: N.S.U. (NDC) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:51:40 -0500 "Best of Cream" (Polydor) face A, track 1, 10:13 NSU, followed by a 9:11 I'm so Glad. It just don't get no mo' better than this. Only 3 more weeks 'til MSG. I can hardly freakin' wait. Jim (Cannabis American) ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: greatest song ever Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:51:33 -0700 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1128540839.485477.73950@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > alex sandoval wrote: >> i remember Dick LatPick saying, "yeah, whenever i spin, people come >> up to me >> and all they can ever say is 'scarlet, scarlet, scarlet'" >> >> to which i could only add, "althea, althea, althea" >> >> but then i'm sure there're a few out there who say >> >> "peggy o, peggy o, peggy o" >> >> or even >> >> "drums, drums drums"? > > > > > > I wasn't sure if you meant Grateful Dead song or not but it got me to > thinkn' about it. This was really tough there are so many "favorites" > I have, but I tried to narrow it down to my top ten and still had to > make some really tough choices in leaving certain songs OUT of my top > ten (i.e. Easy Wind, Tennessee Jed). How could those NOT be on > it?!?!?! BUT, anyway here's what I came up with: > > > 1. Dark Star > 2. Wharf Rat > 3. Jack Sraw > 4. One More Saturday Night > 5. Eyes of the World > 6. Sugar Magnolia > 7. Brokedown Palace > 8. Box of Rain > 9. Friend of the Devil > 10. Playin' in the Band > > > DAMN! That was tough!! Well...those is some damn good fuckin' songs > right there anyway!!!!!! Okay, I'll play: 1. Dark Star 2. Playin 3. The Other One 4. Stella 5. Eyes 6. Bird Song 7. China>Rider (that's one song, right?) 8. Scarlet>Fire (well, if I get to count China>Rider, I get to count this too) 9. Okay, lemme press my luck with Help>Slip>Frank 10. Morning Dew Okay, so there are 14 songs in my top 10... So what! I coulda even included the Playin>UJB and Estimated>Eyes... Or better yet, DS>Stephen>11>Lovelight... Come to think of it, I consider most of '72 through '74 to be my single favorite Grateful Dead song ever... With '77 as an encore... ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: N.S.U. (NDC) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:57:08 -0400 "Spider Dawg" wrote in message news:slrndk8bp4.7vi.Spidergawdnospam@linux.site... > "Best of Cream" (Polydor) face A, track 1, 10:13 NSU, followed by a 9:11 I'm > so Glad. It just don't get no mo' better than this. Only 3 more weeks 'til > MSG. I can hardly freakin' wait. > > Jim (Cannabis American) which nights are you going? I'm in sec 311 on the 26th.. http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/seats.BMP ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .