From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #461 Dead-Flames Digest #461, Volume #48 Fri, 30 Sep 05 19:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: Too fast to live... ("volkfolk") Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("volkfolk") Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Too fast to live... ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("volkfolk") Re: Republicans, look out below... ("Richard Morris") Re: Too fast to live... ("Richard Morris") Re: Too fast to live... ("mjd") Re: Too fast to live... ("mjd") Re: Too fast to live... ("Steve Terry") Re: Phil? (Paulbill) Re: Too fast to live... (joker4153@comcast.net) Tie Dye offer #3 - last chance till Xmas ("Nick's Picks") Tie Dye offer #3 - last chance till Xmas ("Nick's Picks") Re: Too fast to live... ("Steve Terry") Re: essential AUD recordings... ("Bill") Re: Did Mike Myers ever do anything you could not watch stoned? ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Phil? ("Rupert") Re: Tie Dye offer #3 - last chance till Xmas ("Bill") Re: essential AUD recordings... ("mjd") Who is this guy? ("starkers") Re: Republicans, look out below... ("Bill") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:36:27 -0400 "Schmoe" wrote in message news:stg%e.1305$Xq.130@fe11.lga... > "Walter Karmazyn" wrote in message > news:3q5hljFdeu94U1@individual.net... >> >> Too young to die >> bye bye >> >> James Dean >> >> 2/8/31 - 9-30-55 >> >> A rebel, cause or not. > > And only a legend today because of his early death. Highly overated IMO. > Now Brando? That's entirely different. His films are classics, and would still be classics if he were still alive. "Rebel Without a Cause" was a groundbreaking movie in the same way that "Catcher in the Rye" was a groundbreaking book "Giant" was a great movie too, and an interesting stretch for him as an actor as he "aged" over a period of 30+ years I think that Dean would have been seen as one of the great actors of his generation, along with Brandio and Newman if he had lived.. Dennis Hopper (who was in both RWAC and Giant) speaks with reverence when he talks about James Dean Scot. ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:39:22 -0400 "DG" wrote in message news:u9frj1dmkmlndvrcj2ahrlll9bmlsiht9v@4ax.com... > RickNBarbInSD wrote: >> >> >>I am sincerely at a loss to understand why DG or anyone would stick up >>for these scumsucking cocksuckers!! > > > Do you have a problem with selling a fleeting luxury item to the > highest bidder? No, I have a problem with a market place that is rigged by middlemen to screw both the person providing the service and the end user Scot ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: 30 Sep 2005 16:47:38 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > "DG" wrote in message > news:u9frj1dmkmlndvrcj2ahrlll9bmlsiht9v@4ax.com... > > RickNBarbInSD wrote: > >> > >> > >>I am sincerely at a loss to understand why DG or anyone would stick up > >>for these scumsucking cocksuckers!! > > > > > > Do you have a problem with selling a fleeting luxury item to the > > highest bidder? > > No, I have a problem with a market place that is rigged by middlemen to > screw both the person providing the service and the end user > > Scot BINGO!!!!!!!!!! Rick ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:11:21 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > "Schmoe" wrote in message > news:stg%e.1305$Xq.130@fe11.lga... > > "Walter Karmazyn" wrote in message > > news:3q5hljFdeu94U1@individual.net... > >> > >> Too young to die > >> bye bye > >> > >> James Dean > >> > >> 2/8/31 - 9-30-55 > >> > >> A rebel, cause or not. > > > > And only a legend today because of his early death. Highly overated IMO. > > Now Brando? That's entirely different. > > His films are classics, and would still be classics if he were still aliv= e=2E > > "Rebel Without a Cause" was a groundbreaking movie in the same way that > "Catcher in the Rye" was a groundbreaking book "Giant" was a great movie > too, and an interesting stretch for him as an actor as he "aged" over a > period of 30+ years > > I think that Dean would have been seen as one of the great actors of his > generation, along with Brandio and Newman if he had lived.. Dennis Hopper > (who was in both RWAC and Giant) speaks with reverence when he talks about > James Dean > > Scot. YOU are correct again, my friend!!!! I was just gonna ask if I now hafta add James Dean to my list of people who I was duped into thinking was a great artist but learnded only through RMGD actually suck as well!!!!! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.gdead/msg/3111c2a8054e6853?hl=3Den& Already had'ta add Dylan and the Beatles!! My list keeps getting longer! It makes me wonder who IS any good! Kinda reminds me of this scene from Manhattan (of course maybe Woody Allen sucks too an' I jus' don't know it yet): Isaac (Woody Allen), his girlfriend Tracy (Mariel Hemingway), Isaacs best friend Yale (Michael Murphy) and Yale's mistress Mary (Diane Keaton). Isaac has just been introduced to Yale's mistress. The four of them walking down some avenue: Yale: Mary and I have invented the Academy of the Overrated for such notables as Gustav Mahler.... Mary : Isak Dinesen and Carl Jung ... Yale: Scott Fitzgerald.. Mary: Lenny Bruce. Can't forget him, can we? How about Norman Mailer? Isaac: I think those people are all terrific, everyone that you mentioned. Yale: Who was that guy you had? Mary: No no I didn't have it. It was yours. It was Heinrich B=F6ll. Isaac: Overrated? Yale: We don't wanna leave out old Heinrich. Isaac: Gee, what about Mozart? You guys don't wanna leave out Mozart. I mean, while you're trashing people. :howler: Mary: Well, how about Vincent van Gogh....... Or Ingmar Bergman? Yale: You'll get in trouble. Isaac: Bergman? Bergman? Bergman's the only genius in cinema today, I think. Yale: He's a big Bergman fan. Mary: Ooh God, you're so the opposite, Isaac, you write that absolutely fabulous television show, it's brilliantly funny and his view is so Scandinavian. It's bleak, my God. I mean, all that Kierkegaard, right? Real adolescent, fashionable pessimism. I mean, the silence, God's silence. Ok, Ok, Ok. I mean, I loved it when I was at Radcliffe, but, all right I mean, you outgrow it. You absolutely outgrow it. :yuck: Isaac (whispering to Tracy): Get her away from me. I don't think I can take too much more of her. Mary: .... No, no, no. Don't you see? Don't you guys see that it is the dignifying of one's psychological and sexual hang-ups by attaching them to these grandiose, philosophical issues. That's what it is. Yale: Here we are. Isaac: Listen, it was very nice meeting you. It was a pleasure and a sincere sensation. But we have to go. We gotta do some shopping. I forgot. Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! ;D Rick ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:13:59 -0400 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1128124058.286489.196480@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > volkfolk wrote: >> "DG" wrote in message >> news:u9frj1dmkmlndvrcj2ahrlll9bmlsiht9v@4ax.com... >> > RickNBarbInSD wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>I am sincerely at a loss to understand why DG or anyone would stick up >> >>for these scumsucking cocksuckers!! >> > >> > >> > Do you have a problem with selling a fleeting luxury item to the >> > highest bidder? >> >> No, I have a problem with a market place that is rigged by middlemen to >> screw both the person providing the service and the end user >> >> Scot > > > > BINGO!!!!!!!!!! It seems pretty obvious to me. What infuriates me is that the venues and the promoters seem to either be turning a blind eye to it or actively involved in it. Here in Mass, as Hitch pointed out, the police will arrest anyone selling a ticket at the venue, even at face value, but the Ticket Agencies are allowed to make huge profits fleecing people by charging outrageous prices for tickets. What a fucking scam. I hope this guy's case puts these fuckers out of business. It will only serve to benefit the consumer in the long run. BTW, one of the Agents named in the suit is right around the corner from my house. (Lytle Ticket, in Chelmsford, MA) They have always been a huge fucking rip off IMO Scot ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Republicans, look out below... Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:17:27 -0700 "volkfolk" wrote in message news:76ydncdqNpTQWKDeRVn-ig@comcast.com... snip > I stand by my statement, the politicians in office today are scumbags on > both sides of the aisle. It is in the nature of what they do, glad handing > people, telling them what they want to hear in order to get elected and > then running their re-election campaign in order to get re-elected. And what inferences can be made then about the electorate? What conclusions could be drawn about the people who continue to elect these "scumbags", to use your terminology? Are they stupid? Are they not paying attention? Are they equally corrupt? A combination of the three? I don't have the historical perspective to determine if the level of corruption in Washington is worse than it has ever been, but I don't think that I could argue that it is not very bad currently. And by corruption, I mean both crookedness, as well as politicians who have no sense of the common good. Yet we elect them. Shall we then conclude that we have become a nation of assholes? R. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:24:48 -0700 "RickNBarbInSD" wrote in message news:1128125481.866577.196420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... snip YOU are correct again, my friend!!!! I was just gonna ask if I now hafta add James Dean to my list of people who I was duped into thinking was a great artist but learnded only through RMGD actually suck as well!!!!! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.gdead/msg/3111c2a8054e6853?hl=en& Already had'ta add Dylan and the Beatles!! My list keeps getting longer! It makes me wonder who IS any good! And you can probably bet that Dean was driving a Subaru, that most overrated of cars, when he crashed and died. R. ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:41:37 -0700 I believe it was a Porche, actually... a 1955 Spyder ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:43:35 -0700 uugghh - that sure is an ugly typo when you see it in print... 'Porsche' my bad ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:46:30 -0500 "Walter Karmazyn" wrote in message news:3q5hljFdeu94U1@individual.net... > > Too young to die > bye bye > > James Dean > > 2/8/31 - 9-30-55 > > A rebel, cause or not. Gosh, he's been dead for 50 years! He'd be 74 years old if he were still alive; that's hard to believe or imagine. He was a Hoosier too, a very talented Hoosier. Steve (who is a Hoosier) ------------------------------ From: Paulbill Subject: Re: Phil? Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:15:04 GMT DanPopp wrote: > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/30/DDG11DCFM21.DTL > > scroll down...hmmmm > quote from article --> "Deadheads are such diligent detectives -- if you told them the dog ate your homework, they'd give the beast a spelling test to make sure he had digested it" Ha! ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:55:51 -0700 Hoosier daddy?!? ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: Tie Dye offer #3 - last chance till Xmas Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:56:53 -0700 Hey now folks... I dont think i'm going to do any more for a while. this is what I have left for stock. they are organized in folders by size. what you see is what you get, so no custom orders or sizes. If you want one, email me and lmk which one. i'll take it down off the server. twenty-bones+$4 for shipping. ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: Tie Dye offer #3 - last chance till Xmas Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:57:07 -0700 Hey now folks... I dont think i'm going to do any more for a while. this is what I have left for stock. they are organized in folders by size. what you see is what you get, so no custom orders or sizes. If you want one, email me and lmk which one. i'll take it down off the server. twenty-bones+$4 for shipping. www.nickspicks.tzo.com ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:59:48 -0500 wrote in message news:1128128151.437403.25970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hoosier daddy?!? > Well it wasn't James Dean. He died 10+ years before I was born. ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:11:31 GMT "mjd" wrote > > I'll second that - thanks MJ for the good tip-offs. I ran straight for > the 11/13/72 DS, having been completely unaware prior to your post, and > it is tres sweet! It's as if they laid down the 9/21 epic, walked > around in space for a couple months, then landed in Kansas City and > picked up right where they left off! I got that one (11-13-72) recently and was blown away by that Dark Star. I'll have to give it another listen one of these days. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Crossposted-To: alt.music.who Subject: Re: Did Mike Myers ever do anything you could not watch stoned? Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:12:55 -0700 "^^indifference^^" wrote in message news:PdCdnaqYVttgI6DeRVn-sA@sysmatrix.net... >> > A 42 year old man playing a 16 year old drummer? This film will suck > hard >> > and shame on Roger for having anything to do with such bullshit. Maybe >> > Crispin Glover as Pete eh? >> Have you seen Pete lately? I think John Lithgow would be a more >> suitable choice... > True but I was thinking of the Moon era. I can just hear Pete/Crispin at > Woodstock, shrieking to Abbie Hoffman: "FUCK OFF MY FUCKING STAGE!!!" Crispin Glover is 41. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Phil? Date: 30 Sep 2005 18:14:23 -0700 "Some type of college event"? Wow, that's some fucking investigative journalism from the local gossip columnist!!! Final proof that Herb Caen really is dead, folks. ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Tie Dye offer #3 - last chance till Xmas Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:15:54 GMT "Nick's Picks" wrote in message news:1128128227.187562.215180@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hey now folks... > I dont think i'm going to do any more for a while. > this is what I have left for stock. they are organized in folders by > size. what you see is what you get, so no custom orders or sizes. > > If you want one, email me and lmk which one. i'll take it down off the > server. > twenty-bones+$4 for shipping. > www.nickspicks.tzo.com Very impressive! You do good work. If I was looking for a tie dye t shirt, I'd know where to go. Bill ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Date: 30 Sep 2005 18:21:13 -0700 never ceases to amaze me that for a band I've been listening to for 32 years, I can still stumble across something I've never heard before that completely floors me. Grab up a bunch of this 11/13/72 show from archive; the reviewers are somewhat on track in that the sound quality is less than stellar in spots, but nearly every track is like a little pinnacle or something. The Black-throated, the Candyman, Brown-Eyed, the Playing - just unreal. Can we get a DP of this sucker or what? ------------------------------ From: "starkers" Subject: Who is this guy? Date: 30 Sep 2005 18:43:14 -0700 http://www.zippyvideos.com/6312423691197996/movie_0001/ anybody know this guy? 411 was busy ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Republicans, look out below... Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:49:39 GMT "volkfolk" wrote > "Ken Fortenberry" wrote > > volkfolk wrote: > >> "Cassady Ginsberg" wrote: > >>>Scooter Libby revealed the name of a covert > >>>intelligence agent for political gain? The vice > >>>president knew and lied about it? > >>> > >>>Karl Rove revealed the name of a covert intelligence > >>>agent for political gain? The president knew and lied > >>>about it? > >>> > >>>I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you. > >>>Round up the usual suspects. > >>> > >>>So, how does this compare to an extramarital blowjob, > >>>rwnwdhs? > >> > >> > >> It merely proves that ALL politicians are scumbags > >> > >> HTH. Proves no such thing. No connection at all between your conclusion and the statement you based it on. > > > > No, that kind of cynicism doesn't help at all. There are > > good, decent, honorable men and women on both sides of the > > aisle. Very true. There are a lot of good people representing the Bay Area such as George Miller, Lynn Woolsey, Pete Stark, Barbara Lee, and others. They are all good, decent, honorable people. > Yeah, those people aren't politicians, they are called public servants. From > where I sit, I don't see any. > Certainly, inside the Beltway, they are a very rare commodity. Sounds like you aint paying attention if you're equating the likes of Tom DeLay or the guy that just replaced him or Bill Frist with the ones doing there best for the majority of the people such as the ones I just named. > > > A "they're all scumbags" attitude, besides being > > demonstrably wrong, is a shirking of your responsibility to > > be an informed citizen and an educated voter. Very true. > > I am very informed about politics, and an educated voter. I don't believe > that there is anything remotely resembling leadership in either the > Republican or the Democrat Party. Well right now the Republicans control everything so a Democrat has no chance at all to get anything passed unless the person introduces something beneficial to the Repub party. But despite this, John Conyers has been pretty heroic with his hearings about the rigging of the election in Ohio by Kenneth Blackwell, the Repub Sec of State. > Whether it be a blue or red state, the party machine is far more interested > in pork barrel spending, gerimandering and consolidating their power base, > rather than doing anything meaningful for the people who they are supposed > to serve. Of course the parties will do all they can to either stay in power if they are in power or takeover power if they are not. This surprises you? It's not only true in the U.S., it's true everywhere. It's true for the same reason when the Yankees play the Redsox, either team doesn't do favors for the other team. But to come to the conclusion based on obvious reasonable actions and objectives that all of these people don't care about the majority of their constituents is coming to a conclusion that has nothing to do with what you're basing it on. > The media makes matters worse by looking for even the smallest hint of > scandal, keeping the people who truly are interested in making things better > from wanting to run for an public office The mainstream electronic media (tv and radio) including NPR makes matters worse by being a joke (though NPR is miles better than commercial radio and tv). They never broadcast tough investigative reports. They let politicians off easy. It's the sad state of the mainstream media that voting percentages are so low since such a lame media lets the politicians get away with so much corruption and it makes people really cynical so they say, "screw it, the system's rigged, I'm not gonna vote." > > I stand by my statement, the politicians in office today are scumbags on > both sides of the aisle. You can stand by it but you could never back it up because it isn't true. There are certainly some that fit that description - DeLay being the obvious example - but there are plenty that don't. > It is in the nature of what they do, glad handing > people, telling them what they want to hear in order to get elected and then > running their re-election campaign in order to get re-elected. Imagine that - running their election campaign to get re-elected. So apparently you believe they should run their re-election campaigns so they'll lose. Might want to give this issue some more thought because the conclusions you're reaching aren't supported by the facts or by reason. Bill > > YMMV, > > Scot > > ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .