From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #440 Dead-Flames Digest #440, Volume #48 Wed, 28 Sep 05 23:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Download Series Vol. 6 (DG) Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (JimK) Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (DG) Re: etree down... (DG) No Direction Home ("volkfolk") Re: essential 87' AUD recordings?... (JimK) Re: New Riders next week! ("volkfolk") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite (Mark Hood) Re: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] ("volkfolk") Re: New Riders next week! ("Dave Kelly") Re: New Riders next week! ("Mizshely") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("volkfolk") Re: New Riders next week! ("volkfolk") Re: OT Mike Gordon Talk ("band beyond description") Re: 33 years old and never been on a date ("band beyond description") Re: 30 years ago today ("Corky") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (Jeff) Re: 30 years ago today ("Corky") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("frndthdevl") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("Richard Morris") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("Richard Morris") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DG Subject: Re: Download Series Vol. 6 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:15:51 -0700 Olompali4 wrote: > >>The price should be $9.99. > >Testify Brother! >You have a witness. >Gans, spread the word! How many have you bought, preacher? ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:15:56 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 28 Sep 2005 18:43:47 -0700, "king88uy7" wrote: >Richard Morris >> it is about integrity, honesty, and poetic justice. >>One more criminall scumball out of office means one more step toward the >>three things that you mention above that are desirable. > >I'm sure you felt the same way about the Clinton impeachment too, right >? Since you're all about honesty and integrity and all... So then you believe that even if Delay is guilty he should go free because Clinton beat the impeachment rap? Same old bullshit argument designed to deflect attention from the criminals you support. JimK ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:17:17 -0700 greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > >This will not affect policy as far as I can tell. > >Why are people so moved by this event? He's the guy who successfully moved bills through congress. >He may have broken a minor law of no great import. > >So what? Ending his political career now is much better than later. >It won't get the uninsured health care. >It won't get the squeezed middle class jobs. >It won't get the stupid drug war restructured. > >Maybe I do not understand the politics. You sure don't... ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: etree down... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:18:27 -0700 Gary & Ellie wrote: > >Yes. Is there something I can help you with? Nope... ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: No Direction Home Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:19:03 -0400 I just watched this for the second time. I have always loved Dylan, but after watching No Dirrection Home, I came away with a new respect for Bob. He might not like the label "voice of his generation" but it really is true. Matt and I watched it together and he said (correctly IMO) that Dylan is like Shakespeare, timelesss and ageless in his writing, Of all of the songwriters of the 20th centure he (and Lennon/McCartney) will be the ones whose songs will survive If you haven't watched it, check it out. PBS will be playing it all month, and it is definitely worth the 3 1/2 hours that it takes to watch it. Scot ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: essential 87' AUD recordings?... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:20:52 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:03:07 GMT, "Jamie Fisher" wrote: >SSIA > 9/18, mainly for the Shakedown and the Dew. JimK ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: New Riders next week! Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:28:01 -0400 "Mizshely" wrote in message news:1127943417.230780.244610@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Well, at least these guys (Nelson and Cage) were actually in the band > when it was a viable, productive unit. And David was there from the > beginning (or as he says, before time began). While I have issues with > McDuke not being there, nobody knows better than *I* do why he isn't, > since I spent this past spring ferrying him around and I know how ill > he truly is. But this project has John's blessing. What is up with Marmaduke anyway. I had heard he was sick, but I didn't realixe that it was so serious. NRPS was always one of my favorite bands. "Henry" was on of the first songs I ever learned to play, along with "Lonesome LA Cowboy" and the NRPS version of "Dead Flowers" > Once and Always President of Marmaduke's Marauders (don't ask) Hey, you brought it up, what is Marmaduke's Marauders? :^) Scot ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite From: Mark Hood Date: 28 Sep 2005 20:31:30 -0700 "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" writes: > Seeger is on film grimacing as he utters the horrible words "rock and roll" > and how Dylan dared to play that total crap. He complained about the sound > too, but he simply hated all music other than his own. Well, it *was* the Newport *Folk* Festival, after all. After listening to acoustic folk music all day, a band coming on stage with loud distorted electric instruments and vocals had to be somewhat jarring even for folks who liked the new electric songs. Was Highway 61 in release at the time of this performance? Bringing It All Back Home was apparently half electric (I need to get that album...), but I wonder how many people at the time were even aware that Dylan was going electric. It must have been quite a shock (pun half-intended). It's really too bad that the shock contributed to the anger. I still find it a little hard to believe that Dylan didn't expect some of that response... I got the distinct impression he intended to produce a sharp reaction, despite his apparent surprise at what happened. On the other hand, the continuing angry reaction to his subsequent performances seems pretty unreasonable given that his fans by that time would have some idea of what he was going to do on stage. Maybe some had already bought their tickets, but it seems to me the people booing and jeering at the later shows went specifically to disparage him. > Seeger also commented on Dylan writing about individuals instead of about > all the happy people in the movement going forward together like they're > supposed to. He was clearly disgusted to the bone by the change in Dylan's > lyrical content. Yeah, that was a really fascinating point of view. I tried my hand at being a folkie at one point, attending the People's Music Network festival in 1989 where Seeger and others held workshops and encouraged people to perform. I went mostly because I was in love with a singer/songwriter friend of mine who was going and I wanted to immerse myself in her world and hopefully make a romantic connection. She didn't want a romance, which was devastating at the time, but getting up and singing a song in front of that crowd was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. I had never felt so completely enveloped by love and support, and the thrill I had in performing before a substantial audience for the first (and only) time seemed to be reflected as a *genuine* thrill from the audience in seeing a newbie to the scene make his first halting performance. I have loved the folkies ever since. The group mind is very strong with them, though, and I felt a palpable, subtle pressure at almost every turn to commit myself and become one of them. For a time, I really *wanted* to, even though I realized that I didn't even really like most of the songs they were into. The fact that Dylan came to be so revered by the folkies and was still able to move on despite all the pressure he must have felt is a real testament to his dedication to his art. ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:35:43 -0400 "Sean Baker" wrote in message news:11jlbg9ro284g73@news.supernews.com... > From the NYT > One tentacle was caught, and the creature moved violently for four hours > to break free. After 4 hours and 13 minutes of struggle, the animal tore > away, leaving the tentacle behind. mmmm,......... Pass the soy sauce and the wasabi. (Or perhaps it would be better deep fried with a nice marinara dipping sauce) Scot ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: New Riders next week! Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:39:51 GMT "volkfolk" wrote in message news:gcidnfd77a6iwqbeRVn-tg@comcast.com... > Hey, you brought it up, what is Marmaduke's Marauders? :^) > > Scot "Marmadukes Marauders" were a group of New Riders groupies that made plaster casts of visiting musicians Auras! ONLY in Marin! Sweetbac Productions ------------------------------ From: "Mizshely" Subject: Re: New Riders next week! Date: 28 Sep 2005 20:55:09 -0700 John is very ill. He has emphysema and some other health problems. While frail, he is improving slowly but surely and he really wants to get out and perform again. He actually got up onstage at the Mountain House (somewhere on the Peninsula, I cannot remember now - maybe La Honda?) and sang "Glendale Train" with Michael Tobin. That was fun and I took pictures. As for Marmaduke's Marauders, we were NOT groupies. Initially, there were four of us and we just loved the New Riders (back when they had a real draw, even with Garcia, of 10 people in the audience). The New Riders lived just across town from me here in Kentfield so they were the BIG DEAL. One night, we got stoned and wrote "Marmaduke's Marauders were here" in purple chalk on the street in front of the house. We also used to drive around and tack up posters (in front of the homes of Garcia, Lesh, Weir, etc.) with pictures of Marmaduke on them that said "Come here the little man with the big voice" and "New Riders" in giant letters. Down at the bottom in yellow ink (on white, of course) and in what would be 6 point type, "Also appearing, the Grateful Dead." While I think to appreciate it you had to be there, the NRPS loved it. Also, I think we should get credit for being the first "Italian chalk festival" artists to hit Marin - that was 1970, long before that San Rafael festival came into being, ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:55:43 -0400 "Mizshely" wrote in message news:1127930090.586185.26870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Lol! As the kid who embarrassed herself for going on 40 years now with > that movie magazine comment (which landed up in this film, can't I get > some $$$ kicked my way for THAT???) , I can testify that even in > person, it is difficult to understand what Dylan says. Unless you > listen. He is amazing. Always was, always will be. That was YOU???? That was too funny. I was waiting for Bob to fry you, but he just looked amused and saved his sarcasm for the really lame questions Scot ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: New Riders next week! Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:30:02 -0400 "Mizshely" wrote in message news:1127966108.975957.324020@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > John is very ill. He has emphysema and some other health problems. > While frail, he is improving slowly but surely and he really wants to > get out and perform again. He actually got up onstage at the Mountain > House (somewhere on the Peninsula, I cannot remember now - maybe La > Honda?) and sang "Glendale Train" with Michael Tobin. That was fun and > I took pictures. Next time you talk to him pass along my best wishes, and tell him that he was an inspiration to me (not that he would have a clue as to who I am) I saw them open for the Dead and Willie Nelson at Giants Stadium in 1978 and they warped my 17 year old brain (The Purple Microdot helped too) I was hooked from the first note, and I still love them today. > As for Marmaduke's Marauders, we were NOT groupies. Initially, there > were four of us and we just loved the New Riders (back when they had a > real draw, even with Garcia, of 10 people in the audience). The New > Riders lived just across town from me here in Kentfield so they were > the BIG DEAL. One night, we got stoned and wrote "Marmaduke's Marauders > were here" in purple chalk on the street in front of the house. We also > used to drive around and tack up posters (in front of the homes of > Garcia, Lesh, Weir, etc.) with pictures of Marmaduke on them that said > "Come here the little man with the big voice" and "New Riders" in giant > letters. Down at the bottom in yellow ink (on white, of course) and in > what would be 6 point type, "Also appearing, the Grateful Dead." While > I think to appreciate it you had to be there, the NRPS loved it. Also, > I think we should get credit for being the first "Italian chalk > festival" artists to hit Marin - that was 1970, long before that San > Rafael festival came into being, Cool stuff. BTW I saw in another post that you were the girl at the press conference in "No Direction Home" That was great stuff, and I thought that you aquitted yourself quite nicely amongst all of the moronic questions the "straight" press were asking That was an awesome 3 1/2 hours of TV. I just watched it for the second time and I will probably watch it again the next time it gets shown Scot ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: OT Mike Gordon Talk Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:32:32 +0900 wrote in message news:1127932962.298251.309690@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hey all, > > I was lucky enough to attend this talk when Mike came to my school > before playing a local gig. > > I also managed to get a pretty decent recording which I'm very excited > to share with all of you. > > www.pithproductions.com > I'll bet it was pithy! -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: 33 years old and never been on a date Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:34:12 +0900 "Seth Jackson" wrote in message news:i4bkj1drc1l7orpp091lja9f9ijgs7mg60@4ax.com... > On 27 Sep 2005 19:50:19 -0700, "Jerry Lobrowski" > wrote: > > > > >Dylanstubs wrote: > >> 8/10/82 was a pretty good date. So was 10/12/84. > > > >1983 is conspicuously absent > > > >> > >> But seriously, ever try asking anyone out? > > > >Not really. > > There's your trouble. being a bipolar dork hanging around Usenet with his moniker isn't a great icebreaker, either... ------------------------------ From: "Corky" Subject: Re: 30 years ago today Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:29:30 GMT "Bill" wrote in message news:3HH_e.7531$6e1.3275@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > The Grateful Dead played their last free concert ever at Lindley Meadows in > San Francisco. Anybody here go? bongo? What bands played besides the Dead > and Starship? And in what order (Dead or Starship close it?)? > > This is also the site of another free concert this Saturday (Strictly > Bluegrass). > > They also did a great show 33 years ago today. Hard to believe how > different a band they were just 3 years later in '75. > > Bill > > ------------------------------ From: Jeff Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:28:12 -0600 Tom Beck wrote: > "Trench Town Rock, > everyone knows, > Trench Town Rock, > gonna' reap what you sow ..." > > Bob Marley, "Trench Town Rock" I thought "you reap ice, gonna harvest wind"? It's r.m.gd...The Grateful Dead trumps Marley. ~Jeff ------------------------------ From: "Corky" Subject: Re: 30 years ago today Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:43:59 GMT The free concert was announced only a couple of days in advance as Jefferson Starship and friends. This was during the Dead's "retirement" year of '75 when they only played 4 shows. As soon as we got onto the park it as apparent who the Starship's friends were. There were no other bands and I think JS played first. I remember it was cold and foggy all day and that the peyote milkshakes warmed us right up. Blues for Allah had just been released and it was an incredable show. Wow, 30 years...where does the time go? Corky ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 28 Sep 2005 22:51:46 -0700 DGDevin wrote: But that brings up the point of what it takes to turn > people against their party, do you mean what it takes for the party to turn against the people? The party I grew up with and voted for over 20 years left me. If younguns want to believe the democrats are the same as they were under Bobby kennedy go ahead,lol,and they don't drink in the kennedy family either. Perhaps some of you more enlightened might realize less evil is still evil. A party now willing to resort to whatever issues make them look tough and oh so much like the other guy. At least the fucking democrats(fuck republicans too,fair and balanced you see)) seem to be learning gun control (additonal over the top) is a non winner. Too bad Daschle didnt figure that out sooner. I guess when Cambodian immigrants use semi auto weapons to kill white Wisconsin hunters it is not an issue. LOL. peace jeff Look around tell me what you see What's happening to you and me God grant me the serenity To remember who I am 'Cause you've given up your sanity All your pride and your vanity Turn your back on humanity And you don't give a damn Talking about you and me And the games people play Joe south so none of you enlightened folks (other than one) saw bromebrg at all? LOl now that is funny. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:51:59 -0700 "king88uy7" wrote in message news:1127959270.464878.89920@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Richard Morris >>somehow you think Clinton got away with something, so DeLay should too, >> >huh? > > I don't think DeLay should get away with anything, I'm glad he got > indicted. I was just curious if you were consitent in your judgements, > or if you were just sharing lame-ass partisan talking points with us, > and really, you can care less about honesty and integrity, you're just > partisan. But I don't know, I was just curious. You can still answer > the question if you want to. > Clinton was wrong and stupid. Stupid to break his promise to his wife. Stupid to risk his reputation. He lied about it under oath. He broke the law doing that. On the other hand, Delay is a crook. R. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:58:49 -0700 "king88uy7" wrote in message news:1127959930.735698.163090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > JC Martin >>I've some beefs with Clinton (his extramarital affair included) but not on >>any lie >>he told to protect his family from what was a witch hunt. > > I believe, technically, that would be affair_S_. I think the tricky > thing is the lies could also be called perjury, which is a bigger deal. > Having people under oath pick and choose when to tell the truth is > bad. I'd agree with you that he probably shouldn't have been asked > those questions while president though. > > But, yeah, Delay sucks. > But it is a strange law, that lying under oath in an investigation. You are in violation, even if you lie about perfectly legal conduct. In other words, let's say in a moment of stupidity or weakness you let some gal give you a blow job. In the course of an investigation for something else, you get subpoenaed to give information or a deposition. And for whatever reason, the prosecution decides to go on a fishing expedition and ask you about the blow job. You don't want your wife to find out, so you lie about it. You are in violation of the law, even though you broke no law having consensual sex with someone. But all of a sudden, you have committed perjury. If you refuse to answer the questions, you are in contempt. Seems strange to get nailed for either refusing to talk about, or lying about something that was lawful and that you consider no one's business but your own, eh? R. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .