From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #431 Dead-Flames Digest #431, Volume #48 Wed, 28 Sep 05 11:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: the strangest of places... ("tim_ratdog") Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH ("Steve Terry") etree down... (DG) Re: etree down... ("tim_ratdog") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("bongo") Sweden's New Funeral Rite (Real Dead Content) ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: etree down... ("Josh") Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? ("Moo Moo MhuttsAss") Family Matters ("vwhitey") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite (Peter_Wimsey) Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? (greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com) Re: Family Matters ("vwhitey") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite (Peter_Wimsey) Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? ("Tom *Hooray Henry* Trosborg") Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) (Peter_Wimsey) (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? (bigamps) Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("Deke_Rivers") Re: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] ("seraphim") Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? (DG) Re: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] ("seraphim") Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? ("walstib77") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tim_ratdog" Subject: Re: the strangest of places... Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:46:00 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > Obviously some very tasteful Samoans. Yikes! -tim ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:03:57 -0500 "BigRR" wrote in message: > Peace, Rick Hey Rick, Is the cd offer you said I was in on still on? I haven't heard how much to send for shipping, and my email came back undeliverable. Lemme know. Peace, Steve. ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: etree down... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:05:17 -0700 Anyone know why? ------------------------------ From: "tim_ratdog" Subject: Re: etree down... Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:06:47 -0700 DG wrote: > Anyone know why? eaxe? -tim ------------------------------ From: "bongo" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:23:56 -0700 > We just picked it up not long ago and it blows doors!! I give up: Is "blowing doors" good or bad? sincerely, --confused in colorado ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Sweden's New Funeral Rite (Real Dead Content) Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:26:42 -0700 This is very interesting... I like the idea of becoming a tree after I'm buried. Theresa ========================================== http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/28/wfreez28.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/09/28/ixportal.html Sweden's new funeral rite - bodies freeze-dried, powdered and made into tree mulch By Kate Connolly in Berlin (Filed: 28/09/2005) A town in Sweden plans to become the first place in the world where corpses will be disposed of by freeze-drying, as an environmentally friendly alternative to cremation or burial. Jonkoping, in southern Sweden, is to turn its crematorium into a so-called promatorium next year. Swedes will then have the chance to bury their dead according to the pioneering method, which involves freezing the body, dipping it in liquid nitrogen and gently vibrating it to shatter it into powder. This is put into a small box made of potato or corn starch and placed in a shallow grave, where it will disintegrate within six to 12 months. People are to be encouraged to plant a tree on the grave. It would feed off the compost formed from the body, to emphasise the organic cycle of life. The national burial law is currently being updated to accommodate a practice that is expected to spread across the country over the next few years. The technique was conceived by a Swedish biologist, Susanne Wiigh-Masak, 49, who said: "Mulching was nature's original plan for us, and that's what used to happen to us at the start of humanity - we went back into the soil. "But we need to tell people in this day and age that this can once again be a dignified and comfortable option." According to Mrs Wiigh-Masak's method, which she has called "promession" - the promise to return to the earth what emerged from the earth - the dead body is frozen and dried, using liquid nitrogen. A mechanical vibration then causes the body to fall apart within 60 seconds before a vacuum removes the water. Then a metal separator picks out metals such as artificial hips and dental fillings. Jonkoping's motivation for converting its crematorium into a promatorium is mainly practical. According to European environmental laws, it faced a multi-million pound bill for the installation at its 50-year-old crematorium of a new gas-cleaning system and furnace. The alternative was the much cheaper conversion and a more environmentally friendly procedure. ------------------------------ From: "Josh" Subject: Re: etree down... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:27:12 GMT "DG" wrote in message news:9dflj1hqb6shm5d5eqql1nojqaakkhtevd@4ax.com... > Anyone know why? It's working now... 12:25 PM EDT. -Josh ------------------------------ From: "Moo Moo MhuttsAss" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:32:01 -0700 http://www.dyna-mic-records.com/seanie.html MC Seanie T He has some badass rhymes And he's ANGRY ! Check diss y'all............... MastaKriss ? *LOL* Who's This ? You, stink mutherfucka.....you reek of fuckin PISS Sittin there poppin shit.... like that and like this Keyboard Rambo, "Mambo" forkin Jambo Suck *THIS* MastaKriss Who the fork you think yo tryin ta diss ? You spit lame rhymes like a bitchslapped forkin FREAK When you can hardly forkin SPEAK you dumbassed forkin GREEK I'll PWN yo ass all over town, EVERY DAY of the forkin WEEK Shut you bitch mouth up you Weak Geek son of a muthafockin Meek Greek Freak Yo outlook is BLEAK You aint gettin none of that Turkish COCK you forkin SEEK So next time I hear yo pansy ass forkin SQUEAK I'm a shut you the fork up, you SLEEK assed forkin SNEAK ------------------------------ From: "vwhitey" Subject: Family Matters Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:34:30 -0700 Hello friends, I'm posting to let ppl know about the condition of a good friend, Jay Klaczyks, aka St Alfonzo. In addition to being one hell of a guy, Jay has spent an enormous amount of time and energy spreading love and music through many online dead/phish communities, amassing an extremely impressive collection of shows along the way! Many of you have probably received BnP's from him, or downloaded shows from him on shnshare, which is why i'm posting here. Jay has been battling a brain tumor for the last year now, and although he's put up one hell of a fight, his body simply isn't as strong as his stubborn mind. On saturday, his condition deteriorated enough to warrant hiring round the clock hospice nurses to ensure that he's comfortable for the remainder of his journey, as he and his family have decided to discontinue with the chemo medications and let things take their course. Jay is at home, comfortable in his own bedroom, surrounded by grateful dead music and ppl who love him very much. He's heavily sedated, but when he's awake, he's just as sarcastic and witty as ever. Even now, there isn't much that can keep his spirits down, as those who know him are well aware of. He's still able to hear, even when sedated, and he's been reacting very positively to emails that are being read to him, sent in by friends. I'm writing this to urge those of you who know him, or even those of you who don't, to email Jay at lindalyns@aol.com and offer him kind words and good vibes, simply to remind him of the wonderful music community that has been such a big part of his life. It doesn't matter how long or short the message, it's obvious that these emails are helping to keep a smile on his face during these dark hours, and i can guarantee that if you send something, it will be read to him. Jay is 33, lives in Escondido, CA, and has a 6 year old daughter Josie who's been a super-trooper throughout all of this. Many, many thanks for your time, whitey ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:39:09 -0700 "pookietooth" wrote in message news:1127921805.456312.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >> >> They were booing because acoustic folk music was the anti-pop music of >> the >> day. Dylan was viewed as a pop sellout with his corny electric band, >> another Dave Clark Five, as it were. >> >> One guy leaving the show said exactly that. >> >> EGBH > What's amazing to see in the movie is people who said they were all for > free speech and human rights try to drown out Dylan when they don't > like his message. Pete Seeger even trying to literally axe Dylan's > words. > They were booing Dylan because he was basically telling all the > hypocrites to eat shit and die. That folkie crowd was one stuck-up and snobby bunch. Any deviation from the accepted norm of acoustic folk perfection, any lyrics that spoke to anything other than civil rights and world peace and labor organizing was automatically assumed to be a threat to the genre. They were right. The incredibly sappy Pete Seeger (who apparently saw himself as some kind of folk music god) and the incredibly annoying Joan Baez (ok, she was hot, but still annoying) could never compete musically or commercially with Dylan. They appeared to have hitched their wagons to him, basking in his success and competing to share the stage with him. When it was clear he wasn't going to remain "one of them", they got pissy and pulled out the sell-out tag and stuck it on Dylan's rear. Jealousy. Dylan did what he wanted to do how and when he wanted to do it. He was not going to get stuck in some kind of artificial genre. Imagine, these folkie purists getting angry because one of their own dared to add roots music influences to his repertoire. They hated jazz, the blues, R&B, country, and rock music. Only their bland, whitebread, sadly dated music was worth hearing. Their careers faded into playing demonstrations and sit-ins, playing those same old songs over and over again, while Dylan went on to speak to what young people were actually thinking and feeling. Jealousy and envy. EGBH ------------------------------ From: Peter_Wimsey Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:39:50 -0400 Mark Hood wrote: > "mjd" writes: > >>just an incredible show. the snippet of Ballad of a Thin Man from >>England was nothing short of astounding. to think they booed and >>heckled him for that stuff - wtf... > > > The conventional wisdom is that they felt betrayed by the move from > acoustic to electric instruments. It's really interesting to see how > the folk community considered him to be the next bearer of the torch. > I've only really listened to his electric work, so I had no idea. > > I think the Scorcese doc made this point as clearly and powerfully as I've ever heard. Hearing and seeing the role of Dylan through the civil rights movement, the champion of Woody Guthrie, an incredible first album that broadcast the best folk tunes in circulation at the time... really amazing. My favorite Dylan is the later Dylan (the stuff with the Band, Hurricane, and so forth), but even I really "got" why folks felt like they lost a hero when he went electric. But it made sense that he transitioned right when the protest movement was heating up, and that he went off the road when the psychedelic era started cooking. He really was in front of the wave and not on its crest, so to not have changed at these times would have betrayed his pattern. Now if only there was some explanation about his whole Christian awakening deal. N ------------------------------ From: greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:41:13 -0700 Nice crosspost. You will get a variety of respondents. U2. .. ------------------------------ From: "vwhitey" Subject: Re: Family Matters Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:41:47 -0700 sorry, that's thanks again, whitey ------------------------------ From: Peter_Wimsey Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:45:18 -0400 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > That folkie crowd was one stuck-up and snobby bunch. Any deviation from the > accepted norm of acoustic folk perfection, any lyrics that spoke to anything > other than civil rights and world peace and labor organizing was > automatically assumed to be a threat to the genre. I didn't get that at all. Many of Dylan's tunes were not about these things, and Pete and Joan saw the transcendence of his stuff. I think they felt that the rock scene was the stuck up and snobby bunch, and didn't want to lose their hero to it. > > They were right. The incredibly sappy Pete Seeger (who apparently saw > himself as some kind of folk music god) and the incredibly annoying Joan > Baez (ok, she was hot, but still annoying) could never compete musically or > commercially with Dylan. I don't think this is fair. Pete Seager is (and probably was then) a wonderful, approachable, and modest person who has done a lot for education and environmental awareness, as well as propagating the folk tradition that we (deadheads) benefit from. Now, I can't stand Joan Baez's singing, but you can't take away her contribution either. Even Dylan would tell you both these things. > Jealousy and envy. No, short-sightedness and possessiveness. N > > EGBH > > ------------------------------ From: "Tom *Hooray Henry* Trosborg" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:48:09 -0700 Great Band U2 I drive Bono and Edge around frequently when they fly into Biggin Hill from Dublin Nice guys ! We're all Irish in London you see *LOL* ------------------------------ From: Peter_Wimsey Subject: Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:50:31 -0400 I keep wishing that NPR would play a Get Smart Don Adams monologue and juxtapose it with one of Donald Rumsfeld's more eloquent analyses. N ------------------------------ From: bigamps Subject: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:57:06 GMT http://tinyurl.com/dg43a By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - A Texas grand jury on Wednesday charged Rep. Tom DeLay and two political associates with conspiracy in a campaign finance scheme, an indictment that could force him to step down as House majority leader. .... House Republican Party rules require leaders who are indicted to temporarily step aside from their leadership posts. .... DeLay has denied committing any crime and accused the Democratic district attorney leading the investigation, Ronnie Earle, of pursuing the case for political motives. .... Democrats have kept up a crescendo of criticism of DeLay's ethics, citing three times last year that the House ethics committee admonished DeLay for his conduct. .... ------------------------------ From: "Deke_Rivers" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:57:38 -0700 Also, let's not forget that at the time everybody copied Mitch and Mickie, the greatest folk music act ever. Pierre ------------------------------ From: "seraphim" Subject: Re: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:00:10 GMT facinating! I hope we can see something like a movie or pics of that "Sean Baker" wrote in message news:11jlbg9ro284g73@news.supernews.com... > From the NYT > > September 28, 2005 > Legendary Monster of the Deep Is Captured on Film > By WILLIAM J. BROAD > > For decades, scientists and sea explorers have mounted costly expeditions > to hunt down and photograph the giant squid, a legendary monster with eyes > the size of dinner plates and a nightmarish tangle of tentacles lined with > long rows of sucker pads. > > The goal has been to learn more about a bizarre creature of no little > fame - Jules Verne's attacked a submarine and Peter Benchley's ate > children - that in real life has stubbornly refused to give up its > secrets. > > While giant squid have been snagged in fishing nets and dead or dying ones > have washed ashore, expeditions have repeatedly failed to photograph a > live one in its natural habitat, the inky depths of the sea. But today two > Japanese scientists, Tsunemi Kubodera and Kyoichi Mori, report in a > leading British biological journal that they have made the world's first > observations of a giant squid in the wild. > > Working about 600 miles south of Tokyo off the Bonin Islands, known in > Japan as the Ogasawara Islands, they photographed the creature with a > robotic camera at a depth of 3,000 feet. During a struggle lasting more > than four hours, the animal, about 26 feet long, took the proffered bait > and eventually broke free, leaving behind an 18-foot length of tentacle. > > The giant squid, the researchers conclude, "appears to be a much more > active predator than previously suspected, using its elongate feeding > tentacles to strike and tangle prey." The tentacles could apparently coil > into a ball, much as a python envelops its victims. > > The researchers are reporting their find today in the Proceedings of the > Royal Society B, the B standing for the biological sciences. > > "This has been a mystery for a thousand years," said Richard Ellis, author > of "Monsters of the Sea" (Knopf, 1994). "Nobody knew what they looked like > in the wild. We only saw them dead. These images will open the door to > more detailed study of their life." > > The squid hunters themselves are agog. "Wow!" said Emory Kristof, a > photographer for National Geographic who twice ventured to New Zealand in > hopes of capturing giant squid on film. "It's always been presumptuous to > say you're hunting the giant squid when we know so little. It's great that > they got it." > > The Japanese researchers work for the National Science Museum in Tokyo and > the Ogasawara Whale-Watching Association. They discovered the giant by > following packs of sperm whales, which are known to feed on the giant > squid. > > They created a float system with a long line from which they suspended a > robotic camera and strobe light. The camera looked downward at hooks > baited with small squid and took pictures every 30 seconds. A bag of > mashed shrimps acted as an odor lure. The researchers set up a number of > such rigs near the Bonin Islands. > > On Sept. 30 of last year, a squid attacked the lowest bait on a rig that > was positioned about 1,000 feet above the seafloor. Giant squid have eight > short arms and two long tentacles. During the attack, the squid wrapped > its two long tentacles like a ball around the bait, the researchers > report. > > One tentacle was caught, and the creature moved violently for four hours > to break free. After 4 hours and 13 minutes of struggle, the animal tore > away, leaving the tentacle behind. > > Peace, > > Sean > -- > "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start > closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then > drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson > > My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB > ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:01:28 -0700 bigamps wrote: > >http://tinyurl.com/dg43a > >By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer > >WASHINGTON - A Texas grand jury on Wednesday charged Rep. >Tom DeLay and two political associates with conspiracy in a campaign >finance scheme, an indictment that could force him to step down as House >majority leader. >... >House Republican Party rules require leaders who are indicted to >temporarily step aside from their leadership posts. >... >DeLay has denied committing any crime and accused the Democratic >district attorney leading the investigation, Ronnie Earle, of pursuing >the case for political motives. >... >Democrats have kept up a crescendo of criticism of DeLay's ethics, >citing three times last year that the House ethics committee admonished >DeLay for his conduct. >... Great news... Let's hope they get this thing over with before bushie can pardon this criminal. ------------------------------ From: "seraphim" Subject: Re: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:03:24 GMT http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8064 http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=31&art_id=qw1127792524693B216 "Sean Baker" wrote in message news:11jlbg9ro284g73@news.supernews.com... > From the NYT > > September 28, 2005 > Legendary Monster of the Deep Is Captured on Film > By WILLIAM J. BROAD > > For decades, scientists and sea explorers have mounted costly expeditions > to hunt down and photograph the giant squid, a legendary monster with eyes > the size of dinner plates and a nightmarish tangle of tentacles lined with > long rows of sucker pads. > > The goal has been to learn more about a bizarre creature of no little > fame - Jules Verne's attacked a submarine and Peter Benchley's ate > children - that in real life has stubbornly refused to give up its > secrets. > > While giant squid have been snagged in fishing nets and dead or dying ones > have washed ashore, expeditions have repeatedly failed to photograph a > live one in its natural habitat, the inky depths of the sea. But today two > Japanese scientists, Tsunemi Kubodera and Kyoichi Mori, report in a > leading British biological journal that they have made the world's first > observations of a giant squid in the wild. > > Working about 600 miles south of Tokyo off the Bonin Islands, known in > Japan as the Ogasawara Islands, they photographed the creature with a > robotic camera at a depth of 3,000 feet. During a struggle lasting more > than four hours, the animal, about 26 feet long, took the proffered bait > and eventually broke free, leaving behind an 18-foot length of tentacle. > > The giant squid, the researchers conclude, "appears to be a much more > active predator than previously suspected, using its elongate feeding > tentacles to strike and tangle prey." The tentacles could apparently coil > into a ball, much as a python envelops its victims. > > The researchers are reporting their find today in the Proceedings of the > Royal Society B, the B standing for the biological sciences. > > "This has been a mystery for a thousand years," said Richard Ellis, author > of "Monsters of the Sea" (Knopf, 1994). "Nobody knew what they looked like > in the wild. We only saw them dead. These images will open the door to > more detailed study of their life." > > The squid hunters themselves are agog. "Wow!" said Emory Kristof, a > photographer for National Geographic who twice ventured to New Zealand in > hopes of capturing giant squid on film. "It's always been presumptuous to > say you're hunting the giant squid when we know so little. It's great that > they got it." > > The Japanese researchers work for the National Science Museum in Tokyo and > the Ogasawara Whale-Watching Association. They discovered the giant by > following packs of sperm whales, which are known to feed on the giant > squid. > > They created a float system with a long line from which they suspended a > robotic camera and strobe light. The camera looked downward at hooks > baited with small squid and took pictures every 30 seconds. A bag of > mashed shrimps acted as an odor lure. The researchers set up a number of > such rigs near the Bonin Islands. > > On Sept. 30 of last year, a squid attacked the lowest bait on a rig that > was positioned about 1,000 feet above the seafloor. Giant squid have eight > short arms and two long tentacles. During the attack, the squid wrapped > its two long tentacles like a ball around the bait, the researchers > report. > > One tentacle was caught, and the creature moved violently for four hours > to break free. After 4 hours and 13 minutes of struggle, the animal tore > away, leaving the tentacle behind. > > Peace, > > Sean > -- > "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start > closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then > drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson > > My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB > ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? Date: 28 Sep 2005 10:04:46 -0700 There'll be swinging, swaying and music playing And dancing in the street Next........ Theresa ------------------------------ From: "walstib77" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: 28 Sep 2005 10:06:52 -0700 Does that exclude Candians, Mexicns, South Americans, and the Welsh, Scottish, and/or Irish? I'll say Ravi Shankar. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .