From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #430 Dead-Flames Digest #430, Volume #48 Wed, 28 Sep 05 09:00:02 PDT Contents: PT moe. tour tournament - sign up (rnattis@gmail.com) Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH (BigRR) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") 10/12/84 and Phil ("Dylanstubs") Re: SKB - Capistrano ("John Hanson") Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] ("Sean Baker") Re: Gore 08 ??? (greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com) [NDC] Hold your breath just a little longer ("Sean Baker") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Ray") Re: 33 years old and never been on a date ("Steve Terry") Re: Later for Miles (JC Martin) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (JC Martin) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Ray") Re: TRISTAN GOT HIS LICENSE!!!! ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: cast the grateful dead movie ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("pookietooth") Re: TRISTAN GOT HIS LICENSE!!!! ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: the strangest of places... ("tim_ratdog") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rnattis@gmail.com Subject: PT moe. tour tournament - sign up Date: 28 Sep 2005 07:01:35 -0700 Please come on over to PT moe. and sign up for the Tour Tournament, which starts this Friday. We are giving away 2 rare CDs (loaf and Meat) http://phantasytour.com/moe/tournament.cgi ------------------------------ From: BigRR Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: 28 Sep 2005 09:03:04 -0500 Reply-To: BigRR,bigrr@huh.com In article , JC Martin wrote: > brew ziggins wrote: > > Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... > > > >>This Thursday. Anyone here hittin' this show? Looks to be amazing. > >>Calexico makes some increible records, and I've heard they're good live. > >> This looks to be a smoking night of Americana. > > > > > > > > If they were playing in Ithaca, I'd be there. 'Feast of Wire' is a great > > record and I've dug the Calexico boots I've heard. I'm not as hot on the > > latest Super 7 disc, but that band has oooooodles of potential to kick > > it hard on stage. > > > Check out the new Calexico w/Iron & Wine EP Brew. Really nice. Very > much in line with Calexico's last record. > > -JC > Calexico is a great live band. I was able to catch 2 shows last year back-to-back. I'm a big fan of their music and have tos of their live shows. Pedal steel, vibes, trumpets, superb drumming, spaghetti western/surf guitar - what's not to love. Their mostly a back-up band in Los super 7 so you won't get a real Calexico show. I'd say your better off waiting until 10/19 when they play the Warfield with Iron Wine. If you go JC, give me a holler because I'll be there. Peace, Rick ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:05:11 -0700 "pv34pv3p" wrote in message news:1127879207.068960.23680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >You may recall that Pol Pot came to power as a result of the US invading > >the >>country in support of the Lon Nol coup; inspiring the Khmer Rouge, with >>the >>support of the Chinese, to fight a war of "liberation" against the >>American >>puppets. And we supported Pol Pot in his early efforts to drive the >>Vietnamese from that country. > You'd have to ask my wife about that...She lived it...you just read > about it... Your wife was involved in the US invasion of Cambodia and the subsequent rise of the Khmer Rouge? >>The solution is not to invade countries that don't attack us. Duh. > Like Germany, Korea, Viet Nam, Bosnia.... Someone needs to take a beginning high school history class. Germany????? They declared war on us two weeks after Pearl Harbor. Of course we're going to declare war back on them. Then you bring up 3 other wars in which we had no business engaging in as justifications for invading yet another country that didn't attack us? All 3 were / are unneccessary quagmires. Obviously Bush knows as much about those failures as you do. Remember when helping Muslims in Bosnia was allegedly going to make Muslims like us? Fuggetaboutit................. >>Iraq is not going to be a peaceful democracy no matter what we do. If we >>withdrew tomorrow a civil war would certainly result in the creation of a >>fundamentalist Muslim terror state controlled by Iran. > Yep...except for the no matter what we do part... LOL. You actually believe those primitive tribesmen, the clans, the clerics, the mad killers, the feuding families, the Kurds, the Shias, the Sunnis, are going to form a cohesive, peaceful country? All because we killed a whole bunch of them? We haven't even fixed the water and electrical systems yet. Unemployment is higher now than under Saddam. The civil war that will result in three countries shows no signs of abating whatsoever. Even after we sent 160,000 troops to kill "5,000 insurgents". Even after killing 20,000-30,000 they're still fighting. LOL. >>The same will happen if we stay, only more Americans will die, and more >>taxpayers money will be spent. > Except this time they're all voluntary...and happy to risk their life > proving that your wrong... The motives of the troops (not all are happy to be there BTW) have less than zero to do with the reality that Iraq is a country of fucked up fruitcakes, liars, and thieves, and no American with a pack of nylons and a chocolate bar is going to change the fact that the current Iraqi civil war is going to continue for many, many years. >>Sure, we should stick around until after the elections so we can save some >>meager amount of face. We can say we won and point to the "constitutional >>democracy" in Iraq (assuming the voters approve the constitution, which is >>not a given). But it won't change the ultimate result. > Like it would lower the number of homicides in Detroit, or DC > either..OK...fuck it...let's give up and see what > happens...Ooops...forgot...already been tried in NOLA.... Jokes don't change the facts on the ground. The Iraqis hate us, even the ones who depend on us for their existence don't like us. >>Sadly, we won't withdraw even after a constitution is approved, as the >>constitution will do nothing to end the Iraqi civil war. The insurgents >>will fight until they win, period. It matters not if we are still there >>or >>not. > Sadly true from your prospective...Guess it don't matter... > Fight 'em there or fight 'em here...But your ultimately right...they're > gonna fight... There was ZERO threat that an Iraqi, much less the entire country, was going to "attack us" until we invaded and occupied their country, thereby providing the opportunity for the current civil war to begin. Now that it has, the war serves as a recruiting ground for Iraqis who are pissed we blew up their house or killed their uncle. Foreign fighters are training the locals to kill Americans, Americans who had nothing to worry about from these people until now. Every single assumption made by Bush prior to invading this country was incorrect. Why on earth do you still believe in his predicted results? He's been 100% wrong on everything associated with Iraq. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: 10/12/84 and Phil Date: 28 Sep 2005 07:29:55 -0700 Phil mentions in his book how this was the first GD tour with Phil & Jill as a married couple, and how Jerry winked at him during Jack-a-Roe. He forgot to mention that Bob followed that up with It's All Over Now, and then Jerry hit him with Cold Rain & Snow in the 2nd set. What a bunch of pranksters. :) ------------------------------ From: "John Hanson" Subject: Re: SKB - Capistrano Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:10:14 GMT "Steve Lenier" wrote in message news:BF5F8F99.319C5%slenier@comcast.net... > in article r5e_e.997$Fi3.452@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net, Dave Kelly at > sweetbac@pacbell.net wrote on 9/27/05 9:05 AM: > >> >> "Andrew Murawa" wrote in message >> news:3pr49gFbq5ecU1@individual.net... >>> This could be summed up in one word: Wow! >> >> * OH....TELL it, brother! >> Looking forward to New Years Eve..gotta pick up a tick. >> Master sounds like he took care of binniss. >> Did any other rmgd folk show they face? >> No, huh? >> What are we gonna DO with these lames, Andy? > > > I loaded up on codeine cough syrup and slept from about 4 pm on, aside > from > a brief wake-up for dinner...got attacked the day before by a vicious > throat > thing > > Steve My dog ate my ticket? John H. ------------------------------ From: "Sean Baker" Subject: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:51:26 -0500 From the NYT September 28, 2005 Legendary Monster of the Deep Is Captured on Film By WILLIAM J. BROAD For decades, scientists and sea explorers have mounted costly expeditions to hunt down and photograph the giant squid, a legendary monster with eyes the size of dinner plates and a nightmarish tangle of tentacles lined with long rows of sucker pads. The goal has been to learn more about a bizarre creature of no little fame - Jules Verne's attacked a submarine and Peter Benchley's ate children - that in real life has stubbornly refused to give up its secrets. While giant squid have been snagged in fishing nets and dead or dying ones have washed ashore, expeditions have repeatedly failed to photograph a live one in its natural habitat, the inky depths of the sea. But today two Japanese scientists, Tsunemi Kubodera and Kyoichi Mori, report in a leading British biological journal that they have made the world's first observations of a giant squid in the wild. Working about 600 miles south of Tokyo off the Bonin Islands, known in Japan as the Ogasawara Islands, they photographed the creature with a robotic camera at a depth of 3,000 feet. During a struggle lasting more than four hours, the animal, about 26 feet long, took the proffered bait and eventually broke free, leaving behind an 18-foot length of tentacle. The giant squid, the researchers conclude, "appears to be a much more active predator than previously suspected, using its elongate feeding tentacles to strike and tangle prey." The tentacles could apparently coil into a ball, much as a python envelops its victims. The researchers are reporting their find today in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B, the B standing for the biological sciences. "This has been a mystery for a thousand years," said Richard Ellis, author of "Monsters of the Sea" (Knopf, 1994). "Nobody knew what they looked like in the wild. We only saw them dead. These images will open the door to more detailed study of their life." The squid hunters themselves are agog. "Wow!" said Emory Kristof, a photographer for National Geographic who twice ventured to New Zealand in hopes of capturing giant squid on film. "It's always been presumptuous to say you're hunting the giant squid when we know so little. It's great that they got it." The Japanese researchers work for the National Science Museum in Tokyo and the Ogasawara Whale-Watching Association. They discovered the giant by following packs of sperm whales, which are known to feed on the giant squid. They created a float system with a long line from which they suspended a robotic camera and strobe light. The camera looked downward at hooks baited with small squid and took pictures every 30 seconds. A bag of mashed shrimps acted as an odor lure. The researchers set up a number of such rigs near the Bonin Islands. On Sept. 30 of last year, a squid attacked the lowest bait on a rig that was positioned about 1,000 feet above the seafloor. Giant squid have eight short arms and two long tentacles. During the attack, the squid wrapped its two long tentacles like a ball around the bait, the researchers report. One tentacle was caught, and the creature moved violently for four hours to break free. After 4 hours and 13 minutes of struggle, the animal tore away, leaving the tentacle behind. Peace, Sean -- "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB ------------------------------ From: greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Gore 08 ??? Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:08:13 -0700 Which is what the Democrats were probably saying about Nixon in 1965. .. ------------------------------ From: "Sean Baker" Subject: [NDC] Hold your breath just a little longer Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:14:18 -0500 EPA tells polluters it wants less data Rule changes would let firms emit more before reporting it By Michael Hawthorne, Tribune staff reporter. Tribune staff reporter Darnell Little contributed to this report September 28, 2005 Americans soon could be getting less information about toxic chemicals released into the environment. Under a proposal from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, industrial companies would be freed from reporting most chemical releases of less than 5,000 pounds, up from 500 pounds under current law. Factories, power plants, refineries and other sources of pollution also would need to report their releases only every other year instead of annually. A top agency official said the changes would reduce the regulatory burden on industries while giving the EPA more time to review the data for trends, such as whether releases of a specific chemical are on the rise or if a certain industry or factory is having problems. "We spend so much time receiving forms and entering the data that we don't have enough time to analyze it," Kimberly Nelson, the EPA's assistant administrator for environmental information, said in an interview. Critics of the plan say it would weaken a 1986 law that by all accounts has nudged companies to curb pollution by giving the public more information about chemical releases. Congress created the Toxics Release Inventory in response to a chemical catastrophe at a Union Carbide plant in Bhopal, India, that killed more than 2,000 people. The critics note that people and groups already perform their own analyses of the EPA's data. Cutting the amount of information provided and releasing it less frequently would make it more difficult to track some companies and determine pollution trends, they said. "Now it's companies first and communities last," said Sean Moulton, a policy analyst with OMB Watch, a Washington-based advocacy group. "I can't really believe they want to do this." The EPA's own Web site touts the chemical inventory's benefits, boasting that "communities have more power to hold companies accountable and make informed decisions about how toxic chemicals are managed." The agency puts the data on its Web site, and with a few clicks of a computer mouse, anyone can find information about specific industries and plants or about 650 different chemicals. The data can be ranked nationwide or by state, county, city and ZIP code. When residents in Chicago's Pilsen neighborhood wanted to know if metallic-tasting smoke churning through the streets was dangerous, they turned to the EPA's database for answers. What they found while scrolling through the list of polluters alarmed them: The H. Kramer and Co. smelter at 21st and Throop Streets is the largest source of airborne lead in the Chicago area. Organized into a small but tenacious group, the plant's neighbors started badgering elected officials and environmental regulators, prompting a state investigation that found high levels of lead in several backyards. While H. Kramer denies it is responsible for lead in the neighborhood, the company has agreed to clean up its property and reduce its emissions. "What the EPA is talking about is really disturbing," said Karen Sheets, spokeswoman for the Pilsen Environmental Rights and Reform Organization. In Colorado, researchers used the database to reveal that chemical releases are more concentrated in the Rocky Mountain states than in the country as a whole. A Brush Wellman alloy factory outside Toledo, Ohio, cut emissions of beryllium, a toxic metal, after environmental groups used the EPA inventory to highlight the company's releases. A similar campaign led a Rohm and Haas chemical plant near Cincinnati to reduce airborne chloromethane, which the EPA considers a possible carcinogen. The annual reports of chemical releases are two years old by the time the information is made public. Critics of the proposed changes say moving the reports to once every other year would make it more difficult to pressure industries to keep reducing emissions. The vast majority of chemical releases still would be made public, Nelson said. For instance, the proposal would affect only 3 percent of the nationwide emissions of trichloroethylene, a cancer-causing chemical known as TCE. For some chemicals, though, the number of companies required to report releases would drop significantly, meaning information about some polluters would not be available to nearby communities. Nearly half of the companies that reported TCE emissions during 2003 no longer would be required to do so, according to a Tribune review of the database. "I thought the idea was to give people more information, not less, about factories in their cities and neighborhoods," said Sandy Buchanan, executive director of Ohio Citizen Action. Under the 1986 law that created the chemical inventory, the EPA must inform Congress of proposed changes at least a year in advance. The rules would take effect unless challenged by lawmakers or the public. Business groups are lining up behind the change. "This sensible update will provide relief to small manufacturers and free up resources for addressing critical environmental priorities," John Engler, president of the National Association of Manufacturers, said in a statement. - - - U.S. EPA seeks less information on pollution levels The threshold for companies to report the amount of most chemical pollutants they release into the environment would increase from the current 500 pounds to 5,000 pounds under the Environmental Protection Agency's new proposal. Companies also would be required to release reports every two years instead of yearly. ILLINOIS' LEADING PRODUCERS OF POLLUTION IN 2003 Chemicals released into surface water COMPANY / CITY, COUNTY / POUNDS Exxon Mobil Oil Corp. (Joliet refinery) Channahon, Will Co. / 784,818 BP Amoco Chemical Co. (Joliet plant) Channahon, Will Co. / 94,140 Stepan Co. (Millsdale Road chemical plant) Elwood, Will Co. / 25,730 PDV Midwest Refining, LLC (Lemont refinery) Lemont, Will Co. / 16,263 Joliet Generating Station (No. 9 and No. 29) Joliet, Will Co. / 7,388 Chemicals released into the air COMPANY / CITY, COUNTY / POUNDS Corn Products (Argo plant) Bedford Park, Cook Co. / 1,034,001 Exxon Mobil Oil Corp. (Joliet refinery) Channahon, Will Co. 696,509 Ford Motor Co. (Chicago assembly) Chicago, Cook Co. / 572,305 Dow Chemical (Joliet site) Channahon, Will Co. / 510,886 Joliet Generating Station (No. 9 and No. 29) Joliet, Will Co. / 450,809 Source: U.S. EPA Toxics Release Inventory Chicago Tribune Peace, Sean -- "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:15:47 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > >"Bush apologists," right, anyone who doesn't buy into your whole program > >hook, line and sinker is a "Bush apologist" even if he thinks Bush is a > >mutt, no wonder your crew has so much trouble winning elections, you > >alienate people at the DNA level. > > Nice work 007....I mean DGDevin...;~) > > Tony Blair supports your efforts and they won't go unrecognized... > > pv34pv3p(Help on the way....) That's pretty funny, coming as it does from a Bush apologist. Or PV - are you finally going to acknowledge that BushCo's response to Katrina was considerably worse than "less than ideal"? Thought not. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: 33 years old and never been on a date Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:22:19 -0500 "Jerry Lobrowski" wrote in message: > Either you are a comedic genius or you haven't "cleverly" realized who > you are responding to. Aw shucks, that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me. I like you a lot better than that jizzlobber fellow. Peace. ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Later for Miles Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:27:35 GMT Dave Kelly wrote: > 9/28/91 - Jazz trumpet great Miles Davis dies of pneumonia, > respiratory failure and stroke in Santa Monica, Calif., at age 65. > He was considered the most famous trumpeter of his generation > and the innovator of more styles than any other jazz musician. I had this weird experience of sitting near Horace Silver (a great jazz pianist) at a cafe in Los Feliz and hearing him talk about Miles health and AIDS. This wasn't too long before he died. Peas, JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:30:47 GMT JimK wrote: > On 27 Sep 2005 23:01:04 -0700, "Ray" wrote: > > >>DGDevin wrote: >> >>>"Ray" wrote: >>> >>>>As JC noted, organizers of such events -- many of them, anyway -- make >>>>it clear to the media and to the anarchists that they don't accept or >>>>appreciate that kind of behavior. >>> >>>Sort of like announcing that we're not in favor of burglary and >>>crack-dealing and prostitution in our neighborhood but not actually doing >>>anything to really discourage it. Their disaproval means nothing if they >>>don't take action to free themselves of the violence-vampires. >> >>Oh YEAH? >> >>Actually, I don't disagree. >> >> >>>>OTOH there are also some organizers - notably ANSWER and their ilk - >>>>that I believe do sympathize of such behavior. For that and a >>>>multitude of other reasons, I think that ANSWER and their ilk are a >>>>cancer to the larger protest movement. >>> >>>Yeah, the problem being that nobody wants to stand up and say "No" to >>>allowing the wingnuts to join in, it's as if they think they need every warm >>>body that will show up. >> >>Yup, agreed. >> >> >>>Hell, I seem to recall the last time around, back >>>in the day, that the feds tried to encourage exactly such behavior because >>>they knew it weakened the anti-war movement in the eyes of many citizens. >> >>Whether they actually did encourage such behavior or not, it certainly >>would have been a smart tactical move on their part. And the same >>holds true today. (Hmmmm...) >> >> >>>>I wasn't at the Port of Oakland protest, but my >>>>understanding/recollection of that incident was that there was in fact >>>>at least some over-reaction by the police. Which isn't to say that I'm >>>>suggesting that all of the protesters there were without blame - esp. >>>>if the anarchist types were there then I'd wager that a small >>>>percentage of the protesters played a significant negative role as >>>>well. >>> >>>That was the whole point, they *wanted* a reaction from the cops and >>>engineered one, it's classic guerilla tactics, provoke the authorities to >>>violence in order to generate more recruits. This wasn't some fringe group >>>that hijacked a demonstration, the trouble was built-in from the beginning, >>>and if the bulk of the crowd didn't know they were cannon-fodder, well, more >>>fools them. >> >>That's not my understanding of those events. But again I wasn't there, >>and moreover I didn't know that much about it to begin with. And from >>direct personal experience I do know without doubt that there are some >>protestors who behave exactly as you describe here, so I don't find the >>scenario that you describe here to be too far-fetched. >> >>Sad, really. Like you say, the problem is that not enough people stand >>up and say "no" to these people and their inexcusable actions. As well >>as their often fascist (literally) ideologies. >> > > > >>Ray > > > While agreeing that violent protestors don't help the cause, I'm not > exactly sure what the nonviolent protestors are supposed to do about > them, other than to loudly and clearly condemn their actions. After > all, it is a free country and there's no way to prevent them from > showing up. Once they do, unfortunately, it's up to the police to > control them. There are protesters that tell them to go away in fact. Problem is, there's all kinds of different people at protests and mixing it up with anarchists can be dangerous. In Los Angeles, several people got punched, kicked, etc. by anarchists. See, anarchists aren't there to protest. There there to forward their own agenda, which is chaos. -JC -JC ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:32:50 -0700 JimK wrote: > While agreeing that violent protestors don't help the cause, I'm not > exactly sure what the nonviolent protestors are supposed to do about > them, other than to loudly and clearly condemn their actions. After > all, it is a free country and there's no way to prevent them from > showing up. Once they do, unfortunately, it's up to the police to > control them. I think DG brings up a good point in that non-violent protestors could, in addition to loudly and clearly condemn the actions of violent protestors, also use video cameras and the like to document the actions of violent protestors and turn such records over to law enforcement officials. Then again, perhaps law enforcement officials discourage such actions as too dangerous and the work of law enforcement officials, dunno. At minimum, I would ideally like to see non-violent/non-ideologically fascist protest organizers denounce not work with fascist groups like ANSWER. I'm guessing that the non-fascist groups are concerned that doing so would split the portest movement, and it would - ANSWER is very well organized and most people who go to protests organized by them have no idea that they are knee-jerk anti-American fascists. But IMO by not distancing themselves from ANSWER the non-fascist organizers are leaving themselves open to attacks from the right, who have and will continue to characterize the entire movement as communist/fascist/anti-American and point to ANSWER as 'proof'. Sad, really. ANSWER is a cancer on the movement. Ray ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: TRISTAN GOT HIS LICENSE!!!! Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:34:18 -0700 Whew, that was a close call Steve. Hope you didn't spill any beer? Theresa ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: cast the grateful dead movie Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:35:47 -0700 I'd suggest Rob Eaton. Oh, he is the Bob Dude. Never mind. Theresa ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:36:45 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > They were booing because acoustic folk music was the anti-pop music of the > day. Dylan was viewed as a pop sellout with his corny electric band, > another Dave Clark Five, as it were. > > One guy leaving the show said exactly that. > > EGBH What's amazing to see in the movie is people who said they were all for free speech and human rights try to drown out Dylan when they don't like his message. Pete Seeger even trying to literally axe Dylan's words. They were booing Dylan because he was basically telling all the hypocrites to eat shit and die. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: TRISTAN GOT HIS LICENSE!!!! Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:41:59 -0700 Congrats to Tristan. You'll eventually relax about him driving around at night. Yeah, when he's 45. Theresa ------------------------------ From: "tim_ratdog" Subject: Re: the strangest of places... Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:46:00 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > Obviously some very tasteful Samoans. 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