From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #421 Dead-Flames Digest #421, Volume #48 Tue, 27 Sep 05 12:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Rupert") Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? (wyeknot) Re: Patriots continue to own the Steelers ("Andrew Murawa") Re: Run For The Roses - Shoreline ("volkfolk") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Carlisle") Re: Run For The Roses - Shoreline (JC Martin) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Infundibulum") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Ray") Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH ("Ray") Re: Shut Down The War Machine (Joe) Re: Rex show tonight... (leftie) Re: I hate to wear socks! (brew ziggins) Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH (brew ziggins) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (Joe) Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH (JC Martin) Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH ("Ray") Re: Booing at GD shows? ("Dave Kelly") Re: Booing at GD shows? ("BVT") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("pv34pv3p") Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH ("Dave Kelly") the strangest of places... (the.stugots@gmail.com) Re: FEMA rehires Brown (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite (JimK) Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH (brew ziggins) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (Paul) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Ray") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: 27 Sep 2005 10:27:57 -0700 WIIAAHSWYP? Theresa ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 27 Sep 2005 07:15:02 -0700 Just listened to this one, sounds quite good. As far as beer bottles inside the show, the Miller was in plastic, the Gordon Biersch looked like it was in good 'ol glass bottles. I was not about to pay eight dollars to find out. ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:30:41 -0400 scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: > WIIAAHSWYP? > > Theresa WTFAYTATB? ;-) Matt ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: Patriots continue to own the Steelers Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:32:01 -0700 "Neil X." wrote in message news:1127786759.658597.127850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> Andrew Murawa wrote: >> >> That's another thing that college ball has all over the NFL... You >> can >> go to any college game on the planet wearing the away team's colors >> and >> not have to fear for your safety... It is a rare NFL game where that >> happens... > > > Andrew, that's just simply not true. I've been to dozens of NFL games > at this point, in New England, Chicago, NY, Minnesota. It is far from > "rare" that the visiting team's fans aren't hassled. I've never seen > anything other than jocular trash talking. What's rare is the kind of > experience described by John. And even in this instance, it sounds as > if there was no actual violence........ I've been to dozens of NFL games myself in SD, Anaheim, Oakland, SF, Arizona, Detroit, Chicago and Houston, and aside from the places that don't really care that much about their home team (read SD a few years back and Arizona), wearing the opposing teams colors will inevitably result in beer "spilled" on you, nasty insults (even in the presence of children) and in many cases, actually physical contact... Raider fans are of course the poster children for this type of behavior, but that ain't the only place it happens... ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Run For The Roses - Shoreline Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:33:32 -0400 "marklaw" wrote in message news:1127792120.093699.296070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > You would be more wrong. Run for the Roses and Midnight Moonlight > sound nothing alike. > True, but harmonically they are very similar. They certainly have more in common with each other than either one has with TOG Scot ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 27 Sep 2005 07:20:19 -0700 Joe wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > > Is "Geraldine" a woman, a drug or some combination of both?? I'm really > > trying to figure it all out! She's obviously pretty political. LOL > > I understand if you can't answer that question in a public forum. > > Republicans are watching. > > Stay Grateful, > > Carrie > > Geraldine is the nickname of a flowering plant that was given to me > by a former rmgd regular who's now off in the Caribbean... > > She's a special plant, a magical plant, a healing plant. > > Come visit, and I'll introduce the two of you. I know you'll get along > famously. Everyone loves Geraldine. > > Joe Gotcha. I'm sure Geraldine and I would get on famously. Let It Grow! Carrie ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Run For The Roses - Shoreline Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:42:30 GMT volkfolk wrote: > "marklaw" wrote in message > news:1127792120.093699.296070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > >>You would be more wrong. Run for the Roses and Midnight Moonlight >>sound nothing alike. >> > > > True, but harmonically they are very similar. They certainly have more in > common with each other than either one has with TOG HRYK. -JC ------------------------------ From: "Infundibulum" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:52:16 -0700 "Joe" wrote in message news:3ptdbnFc5rt2U1@individual.net... > Considering that I have zero idea who Infundibulum is, dontcha think your > Spanish Inquisition style is out of line? I do. You INITIATED a post on a public newgroup. Presumably you want your protest to be successful. So why is asking what you think the net effect of a successful protest a "Spanish Inquisition?" 'So, just out of curiosity, sport, and entertainment, what do you think would happen if we brought the troops home tomorrow? What do YOU think the net effect of a successful protest would be? I'm curious to know what you think you're fighting for, since you've made some attempt at what you think you're fighting against. Also, since you obviously think Sadaam should still be running Iraq, do you also think the Taliban should still be running Afghanistan? Just curious ...' >For more than 10 years, I have been sharing my thoughts with rmgd. If >you're curious what I stand for, google me. There's thousands of posts. If I google your posts there's nothing but sloganeering -- is there anything else? ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 10:55:35 -0700 DGDevin wrote: > "Ray" wrote: > > Yeah, unfortunately the anarchist fuck-wads in bandanas and black will > > almost assuredly be there, to exploit the scene for their own idiotic > > ends (which, as near as I can tell, amounts to a bizarre need to break > > busines windows and injure or kill cops). At least they are small in > > number - maybe a couple of dozen of so - so provided that the rest of > > the protest is orderly and isn't dedicated to shutting down downtown SF > > the cops will have the resources keep those idiots under relative > > control. > > I have to wonder what would happen if the non-violent groups stepped up and > told the wingnuts they weren't welcome, if they assigned parade marshalls to > follow them around with video cameras and cell phones to record and report > everything they do, if they just made it a total pain in the ass for these > clowns? I've seen a few people try to stop windows from being broken or > newspaper vending machines from being chained together in the street, but > for the most part the more organized protestors either don't care or won't > bother or maybe even sympathize with the wingnuts IMHO. As JC noted, organizers of such events -- many of them, anyway -- make it clear to the media and to the anarchists that they don't accept or appreciate that kind of behavior. OTOH there are also some organizers - notably ANSWER and their ilk - that I believe do sympathize of such behavior. For that and a multitude of other reasons, I think that ANSWER and their ilk are a cancer to the larger protest movement. Also I think your suggestion of assigning people to follow these wingnuts around is a good one, and that the lack of it is a valid criticism. > A fellow I know watched some organizers setting up a demo awhile back, they > showed up days ahead of time to draw maps and take photos and videos and > make notes on shift changes and get every detail just right. And then when > it turned into a riot with cracked heads, the cry is that it was a police > over-reaction, there was no attempt to shut down the port of Oakland or > infiltrate people into the facility to fuck up whatever they could, it was > just a peaceful protest..., right. I wasn't at the Port of Oakland protest, but my understanding/recollection of that incident was that there was in fact at least some over-reaction by the police. Which isn't to say that I'm suggesting that all of the protesters there were without blame - esp. if the anarchist types were there then I'd wager that a small percentage of the protesters played a significant negative role as well. > So at times I wonder if a couple of > dozen anachists are really the only ones to blame, it looks to me like there > are plenty more who aren't exactly unhappy to smell the tear gas because > they think every such polics action radicalizes people and strengthens their > cause. Some people think that way, sure. However aside from the ANSWER types and their ilk - whom I believe are a small minority of any large protest of this type - I doubt that very many people think that way about it. I think that most people know that pictures of protestors breaking windows and the like alienate the general public, and is thus counter to the poltical goal of the protests. > If the organizers of a "We support the troops parade" tolerated a band of > Klan idiots who wanted to tag along and cause whatever trouble they could, > how much slack would we cut them? Either it's only a couple of dozen of > dozen whacked-out anarchists, or it's too many out-of-towns idiots, we need > to choose one formula and go with it, 'cause if it's only a few, it's time > the real protestors cleaned house. > Heh, I know a lifelong Republican who found an effective way to protest > without leaving his house, wrote his local committee and told them not only > wasn't he going to donate any more money, he was thinking of leaving the > party and maybe even joining the other side due to the administration's > catalog of blunders, dang did he get a response or what. What response did he get from his local branch of the RNC? Something along the lines of: "Dear sir: We are really sorry that the Bush Administration's policies are driving the country morally and literally bankrupt. And we are also really sorry that the Republicans who control the House and the Senate are aiding and abetting the Bush Adminstration in this regard. However we ASSURE you that it won't happen again." ? Somehow I doubt it. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: 27 Sep 2005 11:05:23 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > This Thursday. Anyone here hittin' this show? Looks to be amazing. > Calexico makes some increible records, and I've heard they're good live. > This looks to be a smoking night of Americana. Damn. I have other plans, but I'll try to switch them - I agree that this looks to be a smoking show. Ray ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 18:13:47 GMT Notice.... Whenever an anti-Bush, anti-war message is posted on rmgd, the Bush apologists attack the messenger. Ain't America Great? ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:20:24 -0700 Rupert wrote: > As far as beer bottles > inside the show, the Miller was in plastic, the Gordon Biersch looked > like it was in good 'ol glass bottles. It is in plastic bottles. ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: I hate to wear socks! Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:14:32 -0400 Thus spake dgdevin@worldnet.att.invalid... > "ba ba booie" wrote in message > > Man I love summer. > > Hell, if I lived in California or Hawaii, > > I'd never have to wear socks year round. > > Maybe one day. > > > > booie.......... > > Ya'll spend a winter in San Francisco and you'll wear the thickest socks you > can find inside your warmest boots.... San Francisco doesn't have winter. ooooohhhh...it's 48 degwees and waining out...where are my warmest boots...waaaaah this San Francisco winter is so harsh, man... Buncha wimps if you ask me. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:17:52 -0400 Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... > This Thursday. Anyone here hittin' this show? Looks to be amazing. > Calexico makes some increible records, and I've heard they're good live. > This looks to be a smoking night of Americana. If they were playing in Ithaca, I'd be there. 'Feast of Wire' is a great record and I've dug the Calexico boots I've heard. I'm not as hot on the latest Super 7 disc, but that band has oooooodles of potential to kick it hard on stage. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 18:11:30 GMT Infundibulum wrote: You didn't even attempt to answer a single question I asked of you, so why the fuck should I bother with an anonymous troll? For starters, what other names do you use to post on rmgd? In any case, my Congresswoman speaks for me. Lynn Woolsey has introduced a measure to bring the troops home. I don't have to explain to a troll why I think mass murder is a bad thing. Actually, the onus is on you to explain why it's a good thing. And, you'll have 3 entire weeks to come up with a good reason, as I will be gone from rmgd. In the meanwhile, if you support the carnage in Iraq, are you willing to sacrifice your own family to go over and slaughter Iraqis. Didn't think so, troll. Joe ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:08:40 GMT Ray wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >>This Thursday. Anyone here hittin' this show? Looks to be amazing. >>Calexico makes some increible records, and I've heard they're good live. >> This looks to be a smoking night of Americana. > > > Damn. I have other plans, but I'll try to switch them - I agree that > this looks to be a smoking show. They're playing at the GGP festival this weekend too, but I think a full show at the Fillmore may be epic. My wife is out of town and I'm rather broke, but I may scratch some dollars together for this. Shit, my wife is seeing Vandermark in Chicago, so I've got to get my fill, ya know? Lemme know if you're goin' Ray. Peas, -JC ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: 27 Sep 2005 11:22:57 -0700 JC Martin wrote: > Ray wrote: > > JC Martin wrote: > > > >>This Thursday. Anyone here hittin' this show? Looks to be amazing. > >>Calexico makes some increible records, and I've heard they're good live. > >> This looks to be a smoking night of Americana. > > > > Damn. I have other plans, but I'll try to switch them - I agree that > > this looks to be a smoking show. > > They're playing at the GGP festival this weekend too, but I think a full > show at the Fillmore may be epic. GAMH, no? Either way that would prolly be the best way to see them, agreed. > Lemme know if you're goin' Ray. Right now it unfortunately doesn't look likely, but will do. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Booing at GD shows? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:25:28 GMT Those Solo/Kahn gigs were brutal. As much as I love jerry's guitar playing, these proved how much he needed a band. If he wanted to do a low key club gig, fine... but to play large places and have the swirling horde partying like it was a Dead show was a mistake....The 1st gig at the Capitol Theater was painful to witness....having John Kahn show up later and add his...uh...unique take on the stand up bass just made it worse. Not to mention Garcias ragged chops on the acoustic. Am I wrong here? No. This will be the final word in this thread. ENOUGH allready. You're KILLIN' me! Sweetbac Productions ------------------------------ From: "BVT" Subject: Re: Booing at GD shows? Date: 27 Sep 2005 11:31:42 -0700 Manor Downs September 1983...plenty of booing up front! JG looked atrocious, played atrocious, folks even threw debris near me..at one point some guy heckled Garcia about his "schmeez" addiction and Garcia gave him this very strange stare as if to say "you have no idea how bad I feel, leave me the fuck alone." Certainly my worst GD experience save for Chicago 1995:( ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 11:38:37 -0700 Joe Spewed... >Your government, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a >murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other >countries in their sights Nothin' new dude... 1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq. 2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, consider this ... FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Truman....finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year. John F. Kennedy. ..started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson....turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. 3. In the years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman. pv34pv3p ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:34:01 GMT "brew ziggins" wrote in message news:MPG.1da356d837a307909897ea@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... > If they were playing in Ithaca, I'd be there. * Brewstah, ya KILLIN' me!....Ithaca? It's NOT a college town. Why, the last band to blow thru town was The Ratt/Quiet Riot/Dokken gig at the Ithaca Enormo-Dome! That was 1986. Sweet-Mullet ------------------------------ From: the.stugots@gmail.com Subject: the strangest of places... Date: 27 Sep 2005 11:40:09 -0700 where is the 'strangest' place where you ran into something GD related, when you least expected it? mine: easter 1989... at mass... opened the hymnal, and two ticket stubs from september 2, 1988 (cap center) were placed somewhere near the middle. -matt ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: FEMA rehires Brown Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:17:50 -0400 brew ziggins wrote: > > Thus spake no@spam.com... > > The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > > > > Joe wrote: > > > > > >>houndish@netzero.net wrote: > > >> > > >>>yes - America is great. Don't like it? Leave dirtbag hippy. > > >> > > >>Sounds like a plan. Will Wednesday morning be soon enough, Herr Houndish? > > >> > > >>But, I'll be back in time to march through the streets of San Francisco, > > >>while chanting: "Abu Ghraib-USA For All Right Wing Nitwit Deadheads." > > >> > > >>I'll be the tanned and rested hippie Dead Head. > > > > > > A tanned and rested hippicrite is more like it... > > > > HEY, MODERATOR! I thought you were working on this! > > I was moderator last week. Somebody look at the bulletin board and tell > us who it is this week. I thought it got switched to a lottery system... ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:49 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:19:50 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote: > >"Peter_Wimsey" wrote in message >news:dhbom3$1iv$2@gnus01.u.washington.edu... >> Stephen St. wrote: >> >>> Wow, that was fun. >>> >>> The comments in England after the electric set are priceless. >>> >>> Part 2 tomorrow? > > >> It was incredible. Part 2 tonight and I am psyched. I might have to own >> this. Imagine hanging out with Dylan and Jerry - what a conversation that >> would have been. Too bad there's nothing like that on tape? > >This is the first time I've had the opportunity to hear Dylan just sitting >and talking like a normal person. > >I guess in real life you *can* understand what he's saying. > >Very cool show. > >EGBH > Yes, it's a little surprising how 'normal' he seemed. You could also see how much he enjoyed being on stage and performing. It's not hard to see why he still tours so much. Dylan really strikes me as a sort of Walter Mitty type character, living out his fantasies on stage. JimK ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:45:36 -0400 Thus spake sweetbac@pacbell.net... > > "brew ziggins" wrote in message > news:MPG.1da356d837a307909897ea@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu... > > Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... > > > If they were playing in Ithaca, I'd be there. > > * Brewstah, ya KILLIN' me!....Ithaca? > It's NOT a college town. > Why, the last band to blow thru town was > The Ratt/Quiet Riot/Dokken gig at the Ithaca Enormo-Dome! > That was 1986. > > Sweet-Mullet Dude, we're gettin two, count'em TWO nights of the String Cheese Incident at the Historical Ithaca State Theater next month. Dude, this is so a Happening Town! -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: Paul Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:47:58 -0500 Reply-To: ppouliotnospam@mchsi.corn I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! On 27 Sep 2005 17:20:55 GMT, Joe wrote: >Infundibulum wrote: > >> So, just out of curiosity, sport, and entertainment, what do you think would >> happen if we brought the troops home tomorrow? What do YOU think the net >> effect of a successful protest would be? I'm curious to know what you think >> you're fighting for, since you've made some attempt at what you think you're >> fighting against. > >> Also, since you obviously think Sadaam should still be running Iraq, do you >> also think the Taliban should still be running Afghanistan? Just curious .. > > >Considering that I have zero idea who Infundibulum is, dontcha think your >Spanish Inquisition style is out of line? I do. Especially considering >that I'm not the one who is a war criminal. Direct yuor ire towards the >real criminals, those who tell lies to justify "wars". > >For more than 10 years, I have been sharing my thoughts with rmgd. If >you're curious what I stand for, google me. There's thousands of posts. > >So, what about you? Who are you, and what do you believe in (besides >giving a peaceful guy a load of shit)? > >BTW, I don't respond well to demands, especially from RWNDHs. > >Joe ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 11:51:33 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > Nothin' new dude... > > 1. There were 39 combat related killings in January..... No trolling points for this one, troll boy. True, you did carbon-sopy forward a very long, factually misleading and incorrect-ridden propaganda piece that takes some time and effort to demonstrate how bullshit-laden the thing really is, but try to pay attention - this stuff has been posted and debunked here before. Check google. HTH, Ray ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .