From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #419 Dead-Flames Digest #419, Volume #48 Tue, 27 Sep 05 10:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: cast the grateful dead movie (DB) Re: bush is sherlock ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... ("Ray") Re: The Ancestral Mansion ("Matt") Re: The Ancestral Mansion (wyeknot) Re: (NDC) Flame Warrior Typology (leftie) Re: SKB - Capistrano ("Dave Kelly") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... ("frndthdevl") Re: FEMA rehires Brown (leftie) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (JC Martin) Re: Bill O'Reilly vs. Phil Donahue (JC Martin) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("DGDevin") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (Joe) Re: Jerry Tribute Benefit at the Greek ("DGDevin") Re: RIP, Agent 86 ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: I hate to wear socks! (JC Martin) Re: Booing at GD shows? ("LP") Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (JC Martin) Re: Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival / S.F. (leftie) Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("pbleers@hotmail.com") Re: FEMA rehires Brown ("LP") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DB Subject: Re: cast the grateful dead movie Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:28:35 -0400 Mookie wrote: > > Ed Begley as Lesh is PERFECT. I rarely laugh out loud, but I did when I > read that. Well done! If John Candy were still alive, he would have been perfect to play Phil in the Heineken years. DB ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: bush is sherlock Date: 27 Sep 2005 08:36:29 -0700 You think maybe he can cut down on those useless trips he takes on Airforce One or in his armor plated limo? Nah, dreaming... Theresa ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: 27 Sep 2005 08:32:45 -0700 kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > Interesting town. Actually we went to Muir Park today over > in Marin. Did we pass by your Whole Foods on the way to > Joe's Taco place? The fish tacos were great, and the all too > brief walk amongst the redwoods was too short. Cool place. >From Muir Woods one can hike up to Mt. Tam, to Muir Beach, and to other great places too. > My biggest surprise honestly was the wine. We went to > Sonoma for the day, and the wine blew my mind. Unbelievable > stuff. Careful there Kurt - I can tell you from personal experience that once you get the CA wine bug it can become an addicting and extremely expensive (although otherwise quite rewarding) part of your life. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Matt" Subject: Re: The Ancestral Mansion Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:42:40 GMT The Lord of Eltingville wrote: : wyeknot wrote: : > : > Richard Morris wrote: : > > Brisket and a beer, eh? For breakfast. Jeez man, you should be ashamed. : > > Who in their right mind would have brisket for breakfast? : > : > Have you never experienced the culinary delights of corned beef hash?!?! : Go to Johnny's Luncheonette in Newton Center for a Sunday breakfast : sometime. If you're in the mood for hash, order "The Diner." It's a : huge portion of delicious hash with a pair of fried eggs on top and a : mountain of home fries. been there done that- yet another establishment that doesn't know the meaning of 'make sure my hash is singed and crisped, and not just a warm blob of goo'. only way to go is to make it yourself from the start- begin by pressure cooking with a dark, malty beer (no water) and you'll still be tasting that beer with your eggs.... ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: The Ancestral Mansion Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:45:03 -0400 Matt wrote: > The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > : wyeknot wrote: > : > > : > Richard Morris wrote: > : > > Brisket and a beer, eh? For breakfast. Jeez man, you should be ashamed. > : > > Who in their right mind would have brisket for breakfast? > : > > : > Have you never experienced the culinary delights of corned beef hash?!?! > > : Go to Johnny's Luncheonette in Newton Center for a Sunday breakfast > : sometime. If you're in the mood for hash, order "The Diner." It's a > : huge portion of delicious hash with a pair of fried eggs on top and a > : mountain of home fries. > > been there done that- yet another establishment that doesn't know the > meaning of 'make sure my hash is singed and crisped, and not just a warm > blob of goo'. > > only way to go is to make it yourself from the start- begin by pressure > cooking with a dark, malty beer (no water) and you'll still be tasting > that beer with your eggs.... We've finally come full-circle, back to 'beer and brisket for breakfast'! Matt ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: (NDC) Flame Warrior Typology Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:11:33 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > holt wrote: > >>http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/ > > > *heh* > > Not only is the description right on the money, there's even a physical > resemblence to Mark (Williams) and Joe in the drawing... > > http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/ideologue.htm Holy CRAP! ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: SKB - Capistrano Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:05:43 GMT "Andrew Murawa" wrote in message news:3pr49gFbq5ecU1@individual.net... > This could be summed up in one word: Wow! * OH....TELL it, brother! Looking forward to New Years Eve..gotta pick up a tick. Master sounds like he took care of binniss. Did any other rmgd folk show they face? No, huh? What are we gonna DO with these lames, Andy? ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: 27 Sep 2005 09:06:30 -0700 Joe wrote: > > Imagine that? Honoring environmentalists and those who have battled the > evil developers, and won? > Muir won his fight on Hetch Hetchy? ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: FEMA rehires Brown Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:14:20 -0700 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > Joe wrote: > >>houndish@netzero.net wrote: >> >>>yes - America is great. Don't like it? Leave dirtbag hippy. >> >>Sounds like a plan. Will Wednesday morning be soon enough, Herr Houndish? >> >>But, I'll be back in time to march through the streets of San Francisco, >>while chanting: "Abu Ghraib-USA For All Right Wing Nitwit Deadheads." >> >>I'll be the tanned and rested hippie Dead Head. > > A tanned and rested hippicrite is more like it... HEY, MODERATOR! I thought you were working on this! ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:07:07 GMT DG wrote: > houndish@netzero.net wrote: > >> >>>Fuck Bush, Fuck Tom DeLay's ethics, Fuck Bill Frist's illegal insider >>>trades, and Fuck the War Machine! >>> >>>Oh, and while we're at it: Fuck the RWNDHs. >>> >>>Joe >> >>No FUCK YOU! you clueless hypocrite piece of shit ... Fuck you and your >>democrat socialist welfare machine. Fuck you and your racist Charlie >>Rangel. Fuck you and Chuckie Schummer dumpster diving on peoples >>private lives. FUCK YOU joe. FUCK YOU!!!!! > > > > Who created the largest federal beauracracy in the USA? > Who spends without regard to paying it back? > Who holds hands with another man while walking through a garden? Corporate hand-outs are just fine, but give a little money to some poor people and it's full blown socialism, maybe even communism. Truly bizarre. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Bill O'Reilly vs. Phil Donahue Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:20:21 GMT volkfolk wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:It_Ye.7$Aw.146@typhoon.sonic.net... > >>Schmoe wrote: >> >>>JC Martin wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Good one: >>>> >>> >>>Quote that silly dialogue. It looks like classic Snopes material. >> >> >>It is silly, which is why I posted it. Classic material from two >>ideologues, except one them pretends to be an Independent. This is pop >>art of the highest caliber. >> >>-JC > > > I heard this "interview" Phil Donahue is so completely detached from reality > that it was pathitic. I was rooting for O'Reilly simply because Donahue was > being such a prick that I wanted to smack him around. And I am sympathetic > to Donahue's POV. > > Phil should shut the fuck up, because he is not going to convince many > people to be sympathetic to his side, and he might very well drive some > people away > > Sarcasm and Sanctimony aren't very effective debating tools Neither of these guys are going to rally anyone to one's cause. I know you don't have a great taste for the far left, but I disdain more the phony types who pretend to be fair-minded and all that crap. O'Reilly is neo-con right winger as far as I'm concerned. He's a mouthpiece for the Bush administration. Personally, I think Donahue gave the bully O'Reilly a taste of his own medicine, and for me that was funny as heck. I can't take these debates too seriously. I don't even get cable news, so my interest level in Fox and like is pretty low. -JC ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:22:19 GMT "Ray" wrote in message news:1127832887.614506.161250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Yeah, unfortunately the anarchist fuck-wads in bandanas and black will > almost assuredly be there, to exploit the scene for their own idiotic > ends (which, as near as I can tell, amounts to a bizarre need to break > busines windows and injure or kill cops). At least they are small in > number - maybe a couple of dozen of so - so provided that the rest of > the protest is orderly and isn't dedicated to shutting down downtown SF > the cops will have the resources keep those idiots under relative > control. I have to wonder what would happen if the non-violent groups stepped up and told the wingnuts they weren't welcome, if they assigned parade marshalls to follow them around with video cameras and cell phones to record and report everything they do, if they just made it a total pain in the ass for these clowns? I've seen a few people try to stop windows from being broken or newspaper vending machines from being chained together in the street, but for the most part the more organized protestors either don't care or won't bother or maybe even sympathize with the wingnuts IMHO. A fellow I know watched some organizers setting up a demo awhile back, they showed up days ahead of time to draw maps and take photos and videos and make notes on shift changes and get every detail just right. And then when it turned into a riot with cracked heads, the cry is that it was a police over-reaction, there was no attempt to shut down the port of Oakland or infiltrate people into the facility to fuck up whatever they could, it was just a peaceful protest..., right. So at times I wonder if a couple of dozen anachists are really the only ones to blame, it looks to me like there are plenty more who aren't exactly unhappy to smell the tear gas because they think every such polics action radicalizes people and strengthens their cause. > The shutting down and cracking skulls isn't taken with enthusiasm in > many quarters of SF either. Unfortunately for SF, sometimes there's > just too many non-SFers who come to SF to do that sort of thing to stop > them. > > Ray If the organizers of a "We support the troops parade" tolerated a band of Klan idiots who wanted to tag along and cause whatever trouble they could, how much slack would we cut them? Either it's only a couple of dozen of dozen whacked-out anarchists, or it's too many out-of-towns idiots, we need to choose one formula and go with it, 'cause if it's only a few, it's time the real protestors cleaned house. Heh, I know a lifelong Republican who found an effective way to protest without leaving his house, wrote his local committee and told them not only wasn't he going to donate any more money, he was thinking of leaving the party and maybe even joining the other side due to the administration's catalog of blunders, dang did he get a response or what. ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: 27 Sep 2005 16:24:39 GMT frndthdevl wrote: > Muir won his fight on Hetch Hetchy? That's not what I was referring to. I was thinking about Marin County's illustrious environmentalists who have imparted a gift to those who can appreciate parklands and native wildflowers and pristine beaches and beautiful waterfalls and open space. In any case, when William Kent donated the land that is now known as Muir Woods, the US Government wanted to name the park where Redwoods grow as Kent Woods, but Mister Kent wanted John Muir to be immortalized. And, so he is. And, the mountain on Angel Island (Mt Livermore) is named for the environmentalist who stopped freeways from being built in Western Marin and for stopping the development of Pt Reyes. Here in Marin, we honor environmentalists. What an odd concept? ### Joe ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Jerry Tribute Benefit at the Greek Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:24:40 GMT "Ray" wrote in message news:1127707740.151000.261940@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I decided to go at the last minute, and I'm glad I did - a beautiful > evening at the Greek. Unconfirmed setlist: [snip] That sounds like a sweet evening, wish we could have been there.... ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: RIP, Agent 86 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:09:42 -0700 "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message news:1127824065.633653.147040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Joe wrote: >> greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> > First Scotty, the Gilligan and now Agent 86! >> >> > This is not right. >> >> Smash your television and set your brain free. > And become a bitter delusional old poseur hippie doper like you? I'd > rather watch Family Guy, thanks anyway. I'd rather watch a Mel Brooks skewering of the CIA and American security culture, like Get Smart. What a fucking great show. RIP Don. EGBH ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: I hate to wear socks! Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:36:36 GMT DGDevin wrote: > "ba ba booie" wrote in message > news:10359-4337182D-854@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net... > > >>I think I have nice feet. >>So I have been told. > > > I'm trying to picture the situation in which someone was so desperate for > something to say that they decided to praise your feet.... If you don't wear socks and then put your feet in shoes, YOUR FEET STINK! Invisible yet pasty foot fungus doesn't make for nice feet, k? Nuff said. -JC ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: Booing at GD shows? Date: 27 Sep 2005 09:44:21 -0700 I sat in the front row center seat for a Garcia/Kahn acoustic show circa '84 - '85 in Nor-fuck Virginia, and Jerry did not look good at all..... I was closer to him than any other time except in Eugene years later when he was in a relatively healthy phase. I would not have been surprised if he ended that show early - he appeared waxen and pale, and his grey hair was the longest it ever was. He resembled a strung-out Santa Claus - kind of lends some credibility to the rumored H bond between Jerry & John - yet he was still able to deliver some very well played songs. He must have had a tough constitution. It was a strange night - so happy to be front & center, yet startled at just how bad he looked. There were rumors of the drug use, but 20 years ago it was not as widely known as it is today in retrospect. LP ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:14:36 GMT kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > Joe wrote: > >>Walter Karmazyn wrote: >> >> >>>Yeah, they really exist;-) >> >>So I've heard. >> >>I'll call your wood nymph, and raise you a flower girl. >> >>Y'know...we really do live in Paradise here. >> >>What a glorious weekend. From music to beautiful women to anti-war >>rallies; the San Francisco Bay Area is heaven on earth. > > > Interesting town. Actually we went to Muir Park today over > in Marin. Did we pass by your Whole Foods on the way to > Joe's Taco place? The fish tacos were great, and the all too > brief walk amongst the redwoods was too short. Cool place. > However, I was amazed at the number of strip malls outside > SF. I guess some things are universally American. SF? Driving > the hills is a trip (I am from N.O.), and there are frickin' > bike lanes on every road (cool). > > My biggest surprise honestly was the wine. We went to > Sonoma for the day, and the wine blew my mind. Unbelievable > stuff. Why? :-) Thes best wine in the world, outside of France is made right here. You should have went to the Russian River Brewing Company and tried our beer. > Kurt > > PS - Pancho Villa's? Great place, but we have the same level > of Mexican in NC. Haight? meh.... Toronado? Very cool. Pancho Villa is NOT the best Mexican food in the Bay Area. I tried to tell you. It's more the Mission hipster hang and great for the vegetarians. Peas, -JC ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival / S.F. Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:53:35 -0700 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/25/PKGRAEQAS41.DTL&type=music HILLBILLY MILLIONAIRE Sylvie Simmons Sunday, September 25, 2005 "He's crazy," says Hazel Dickens in the no-nonsense voice of a 70-year-old who has seen her fair share of loons. "All this music? For free? It's got to cost a pile. Every year I think, this time they're going to cut back, but no, it just gets bigger." When told how big this year's Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival is going to be -- around 60 acts, among them the biggest names in country, bluegrass, Americana and (Dickens' area) old-time folk -- she gasps. "It couldn't happen anywhere in the world but in San Francisco, this crazy millionaire putting on these great big festivals for free." Right now, the man whose mental health is being questioned is seated at a desk in an outsize room with a panoramic view of the bay. If it weren't for the lack of a bed and the occasional appearance of a smartly dressed office worker, this might be a wealthy teenager's bedroom, with its CDs and sports trophies, musical instrument in the corner and signed festival posters on the walls. In fact, it's headquarters of one of America's leading investment firms, and the man proudly showing off a photograph of himself with Emmylou Harris is its 72-year-old founder and chairman, Warren Hellman. He doesn't look particularly crazy, nor like a captain of industry. Bristling at that phrase, he demotes himself first to "corporal" then "schmuck" of industry and puts in a CD by Todd Snider, selecting the sardonic sing-along "Conservative Christian, Right-Wing Republican Straight White American Males." But Hellman is clearly mad about bluegrass. Five years ago he decided to stage a festival, fly out his favorite artists and invite anyone who shared his passion or might be ripe for conversion to come for free. It was the millionaire-philanthropist equivalent of making compilation tapes of favorite songs and sending them to your friends. Harris and Dickens came for the first festival and have been back every year since. This year, they share the bill with Dolly Parton, Steve Earle, Rosanne Cash, Earl Scruggs, Gillian Welch, Doc Watson, Joan Baez, Ricky Skaggs, Alison Brown, Ralph Stanley, Laura Cantrell, Rodney Crowell, Patty Griffin, Del McCoury, the Knitters, Tim O'Brien, Todd Snider, Kelly Joe Phelps, Chip Taylor, Jim Lauderdale, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Buddy Miller and Los Super Seven with Calexico. And that's just the out-of-towners. There are a number of fine Bay Area artists, including Bill Evans, Jody Stecher and Toshio Hirano, whose shows pay tribute to Jimmie Rodgers and Hank Williams. As Dickens points out, it costs a pile. Hellman says "it costs a lot -- bigger than a bread box, smaller than a house, one of those new billionaire homes, I guess." He tells how he was approached by someone who said he ran America's biggest (non-bluegrass) festival. "He wanted to buy mine. I said, 'Why? It's free.' He said, 'Well it wouldn't be if I owned it.' " Hellman said it wasn't for sale. "There's this famous Texas oil guy's remark about money: 'It's like manure -- if you spread it around, beautiful things grow. But if you leave it in a pile it smells like manure.' " He rummages through the CDs for a Hazel Dickens song, 'Mannington Mine,' about a mining tragedy. "There's a line that goes, 'There's a rich man that lives on the hill, far from the poor miner's home, for him everything is fine.' After about three months of knowing Hazel, she told me, 'I think of you as the man on the hill.' Then, a couple of years ago she gets up at the festival and says, 'If Warren goes on being so nice, I'm going to have to change some of my songs.' " Hellman is far from the only fan of old-time bluegrass who has never set foot in a coal mine or a cotton field. When former Jefferson Airplane guitarist Jorma Kaukonen bought a ranch in the Appalachian foothills in 1989 and started holding workshops in mandolin, banjo and folk guitar, it became popular for New York businessmen to go there on weekends to pick and yodel as a way to de-stress. Kaukonen, like Jerry Garcia and countless other anti-establishment rock musicians, was digging into the weird, wonderful roots of American rural music back in the '60s. This latest wave of interest is nothing new. Gillian Welch, a third-time festival performer, was raised in Los Angeles on Velvet Underground and punk records, but later had an epiphany: "I was at college and had just moved in with a DJ who had an old-time-bluegrass show. One Sunday morning I was in the bathroom, on my knees, cleaning the bathtub, and he put on "The Legendary Stanley Brothers Vol. 1." The first song came on and I just stood up and I kind of walked into the other room as if I was in a tractor beam and stood there in front of the stereo. It was just as powerful as the electric stuff, and it was songs I'd grown up singing. All of a sudden I'd found my music." Toshio Hirano first discovered old American country music as a high school kid in 1960s Tokyo through listening to Bob Dylan. He came to the United States, wanting to see "the land where it sprang up and the people that created it." En route he met a punk rocker who took him to Texas, where Hirano -- who now lives and teaches in San Mateo -- played his Hank Williams and Jimmie Rodgers covers publicly for the first time. Says Dickens, "A lot of the punk people are real attracted to the old-time and the bluegrass. They said they liked it because of its honesty and the down-to-earth people who play it and the message that it sends." Ralph Stanley has been touring continually since 1946, playing what he prefers to call "old-time mountain music." In recent years, the small, gray-haired 78-year-old has found himself in the unusual position of greeting young fans with tattoos and piercings, who shake his hand and tell him, "This is cool!" Says Stanley, "I tell them, 'I think it's quite hot.' They call it a trend, but if it is a trend it's been going for longer than I can remember. It's the music I grew up on as a country boy, and there's nothing else like it. It's nice to see the city folk are catching up." He gives all the credit to the Coen brothers' 2000 comedy film "O Brother Where Art Thou," on whose soundtrack he played and sang. "After that movie, when I went out I could tell that my audience had increased. And they were mostly young people. See, this music never got played on the big radio stations, so people had never really heard it, but when the movie put it out there where people could hear it, I guess they noticed it more and they liked it. Afterward all of us on the soundtrack toured with a show called 'Down From the Mountain,' " which was made into an award-winning documentary. Its participants included Emmylou Harris and Gillian Welch, who are also on this year's bill, alongside revered old masters of the genre like Earl Scruggs, age 81, and Doc Watson, 82. Stecher, who has been playing banjo for 47 years, agrees that "O Brother" helped raise its popularity. He's been getting calls from people wanting to learn banjo. Hellman has been taking lessons with him for three years. Hellman tried once before in his 20s and gave up. His banjo, an exquisite 1909 White Lady, languished in the corner, until years later, when his daughter married and her husband fancied learning to play. "Fast forward, they get divorced and the banjo stays with him," Hellman says. "Then a year and a half ago, my wife says to Jody, 'My husband had this beautiful White Lady, do you think we could find one?" They located one in Marble, Mass. "I swear to God," says Hellman, "I think it's the one I had. My grandchildren spend time with their father, so I keep wanting to send them on a spying expedition to see if he still has it. But I really don't want the answer," he laughs. "It wouldn't be half as good as thinking I've got my old banjo back." -- Sylvie Simmons is a freelance writer. ------------------------------ From: "pbleers@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: 27 Sep 2005 09:52:37 -0700 Yeah, that had me captivated last nite. I found it hilarious that Bob was/is a record album thief........and the guys he stole from are still kinda PO'd about it. When is Bob gonna make it up to 'em? ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: FEMA rehires Brown Date: 27 Sep 2005 09:50:57 -0700 hound...@netzero.net wrote: > yes - America is great. Don't like it? Leave dirtbag hippy. It is our responsibility to CHANGE THE PROBLEMS if we don't like the way things are going. Sheeple like YOU will just go along with the destruction of our rights by stupid and dangerous poiliticians like W and his cronies. "Leave dirtbag hippy" This crap always comes out of losers who cannot even put together a complete sentence. Public school has failed you houndboy. 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