From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #417 Dead-Flames Digest #417, Volume #48 Tue, 27 Sep 05 06:00:01 PDT Contents: Meanwhile back in Iraq.... ("Walter Karmazyn") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("DGDevin") Re: 15" to 19" LCD display upgrade question (NDC) ("Dave Kelly") Re: FEMA rehires Brown ("band beyond description") Re: cast the grateful dead movie ("pookietooth") Re: most you've driven in one day (fattuchus@yahoo.com) This could very well apply to rmgd postings (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? ("THE REAL Yorgos Tsolakis") Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi ("Dave") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("peggo") bush is sherlock ("Don Bean") Re: Hey, Joe (and everyone else, too) . . . (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: FEMA rehires Brown (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("mjd") Re: Bill O'Reilly vs. Phil Donahue ("volkfolk") Re: SKB - Capistrano ("Nick's Picks") Re: RIP, Agent 86 ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Patriots continue to own the Steelers ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) ("volkfolk") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Walter Karmazyn" Subject: Meanwhile back in Iraq.... Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:24:12 -0700 The headline sounds like what you would expect from an occupying German officer oh, 60- 67 years ago. But this from the article: The bombs did not stop, so Col. Salazar implemented a strategy he has used throughout his area of operations, the western half of Diyala, just north of Baghdad: shut down the road on which any roadside bomb is found for 24 to 48 hours. It is a matter of safety, but also one of spreading the pain. If the local community is inconvenienced by a road closure, goes the theory, perhaps they will put pressure on the insurgents to stop. ******* Hello Bill Clinton. Let's talk sanctions on Iraq, imposed by Bush the Elder, kept in place by Clinton. by 1999, killed over one million people, most of them after 1-20-93, a majority children. The strategy of course was if you inconvenience a whole population; ya know, not enough food, clean water, medicine and what have you, they'll rise up and overthrow the bastard, or maybe just not fight for him when you come marchin in to overthrow him. Throw flowers at your feet, that kind of stuff. Didn't happen, did it? Either scenario. Same strategy here, punish people innocent of the crime, in hopes they will bring pressure to end it. Instead, probably have them cheering the next IED, if it hits an American. W Officer commands respect from locals By Pamela Hess UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL September 26, 2005 BAQOUBA, Iraq -- In a counterinsurgent war, there are carrots and there are sticks. Here in Diyala province, the carrot is a nearly $500 million investment in schools, health clinics, roads, sewage systems and electricity. The stick is Col. Steven Salazar, 47, commander of "Task Force Sledgehammer," the 3rd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division. Where other senior military officers lavish attention on local sheiks and work the imams, Col. Salazar leaves that to his battalion commanders. In genial conversations with the province's governor and chief of police, Col. Salazar lards his conversations with as many flowery compliments and "God willings" as anyone. He is patient and diplomatic with callers on his monthly radio appearance. But once convinced that diplomacy is not getting him anywhere, he abandons talk for action. The sheik in Muqtadiya, a large town north of Baqouba, is learning what happens when he refuses a request from Col. Salazar. The roads across the city -- roads where U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians drive -- have endured a spate of roadside bombs, known as IEDs or improvised explosive devices, in military jargon. A U.S. commander went to discuss the matter with Sheik Allawi. "Sheik Allawi has the ability to manage this problem when he wants to," Col. Salazar said. The bombs did not stop, so Col. Salazar implemented a strategy he has used throughout his area of operations, the western half of Diyala, just north of Baghdad: shut down the road on which any roadside bomb is found for 24 to 48 hours. It is a matter of safety, but also one of spreading the pain. If the local community is inconvenienced by a road closure, goes the theory, perhaps they will put pressure on the insurgents to stop. "But we continued to have IEDs in Muqtadiya," Col. Salazar said. "So we informed the sheik that whenever we find an IED we will eliminate every [obstacle and structure] within a 100 meters of the bomb." In this case, it means date palms and small roadside shacks from which people sell sodas and snacks. Next time it could be more substantial structures. "It's completely within our [rules of engagement]. Anything used by [insurgents and terrorists] can be taken away, from berms to old infrastructures, whatever ... but this is really the first time we've used it. This is a little bit different," Col. Salazar said. ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:08:53 GMT "Ray" wrote in message news:1127798698.807229.223150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > If it's a peaceful and orderly protest of Bush's policies then I'm > there. Giving odds? About the peaceful and orderly part I mean. SF cops got a bone to pick with the folks with the bandanas over their faces, the ones who ambush SF cops and post photos of the bloody results on their websites, might be best to wear a suit and tie so you don't end up in the middle of some payback. Of course, that might mean that some bored anarchist with a leftover rock will decide that only a corporate fascist bastard would be wearing a tie.... > If however it's one of these "let's shut down the city" type-things > then you can count me out - IMO the hundreds of thousands of dollars > that SF has to spend to respond to those types of things would be much > better spent elsewhere. > > Ray Ah, but then there are those folks who think forcing another community to spend its scarce tax dollars restraining and cleaning up after protests is of less importance than their self-indulgence, just so long as it's not *their* tax dollars and the broken glass and cracked skulls are all in another county. Wanna bet that a protest that involved shutting down Marin would generate way less enthusiasm is some quarters? "What, tear up *my* streets, trash *my* car, no way!" ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: 15" to 19" LCD display upgrade question (NDC) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:29:05 GMT "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message news:3ppeubFbhotqU1@individual.net... > Here's a monitor question for the rmgd computer experts: How much more > area > will one get, percentage-wise, when switching from a 15" to 19" LCD > display? > -- > Peace, > Steve * well....lets see....by my calculations, the lesbian porn MPEG will be 4" bigger. It's mo bettah 4" bigger. I MEANT the screen. Ah....forget it. LCD Sweetbac ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: FEMA rehires Brown Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:41:37 +0900 "Joe" wrote in message news:3ps1qtFbpmm9U4@individual.net... > houndish@netzero.net wrote: > > yes - America is great. Don't like it? Leave dirtbag hippy. > > Sounds like a plan. Will Wednesday morning be soon enough, Herr Houndish? > > But, I'll be back in time to march through the streets of San Francisco, > while chanting: "Abu Ghraib-USA For All Right Wing Nitwit Deadheads." > > I'll be the tanned and rested hippie Dead Head. > > Let's take back America on 11/2. We deserve better than Bush/Cheney and > their lies. > > Joe kudos, Joe; you are unflappable in the face of frothing idiots. -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: cast the grateful dead movie Date: 27 Sep 2005 01:52:11 -0700 Couple more: Grace Slick - Jenna Jameson Chet Helms - Crispin Glover ------------------------------ From: fattuchus@yahoo.com Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: most you've driven in one day Date: 27 Sep 2005 01:58:53 -0700 Well, I drive certain posters here nuts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Just ask Fran, Nessie or Donz. ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: This could very well apply to rmgd postings (NDC) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:25:24 +0900 //E-Mail Etiquette: How to Write Well// (c) 2005, The Baltimore Sun Here are some suggestions from ``Conquering Your Quarterlife Crisis,'' by author Alexandra Robbins and other professionals. Write the way you talk. Read it aloud to see if it sounds like you. Be clever but not cute. (Easier said than done.) Be plain-spoken, but not stilted. If it's early in the relationship, keep e-mails short. Punctuation and grammar matter. Remember that tone doesn't always translate. Use emoticons and IM acronyms (``LOL'') sparingly. Don't say anything that would embarrass you if it were read by other people. Unless the other person really shoots him- or herself in the foot, give him or her a chance in person. (But if there are more than three winky faces in the e-mail, that's trouble.) ------------------------------ From: "THE REAL Yorgos Tsolakis" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: 27 Sep 2005 02:36:50 -0700 WTF ? ------------------------------ From: "Dave" Subject: Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:04:20 +1200 "Joe" wrote in message news:3pruabFbt0ljU9@individual.net... > >"How many evil-doers have we sent to their maker using bullets > >rather than bombs? I don't know," he said. "If they don't do body > >counts, how can I? But using these figures it works out at around > >300,000 bullets per insurgent. Let's round that down to 250,000 > >so that we are underestimating." > > Fuck You General Evil of the Nazi-American Imperialist Army! Fuck you and > all those mass murdering suicidal soldiers who are spilling the blood of > children as they themselves are being sacrified on the Alter of > Halliburton. > > Americans = Mass Murdering Nazis = The Brotherhood Of Death > > Joe Hey, Joe, just to clarify. Would you be happier if they used only 125 000 bullets per Iraqi killed, or would you rather it was 500,000 bullets per Iraqi killed. Just curious. Dave ------------------------------ From: "peggo" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:52:06 -0500 "Joe" wrote in message news:3ps30mFbpmm9U6@individual.net... > Ray wrote: > >> Shutting down San Francisco will do no such thing. > > I'll post some details in the morning, but the plan is for a nationwide > general strike. > Yeah. I saw flyers about it in Madison Wisconsin a month ago. peggo ------------------------------ From: "Don Bean" Subject: bush is sherlock Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:53:59 -0400 So last night I see that Bush has asked people to use less gas. 'Dont take that trip if you dont have to' he says... I wanted to screem in his face.. 'no shit sherlock ! '..... He is so out of touch... I can say from experience that people on the low side of the dollar have been trying to save gas for a while - because they have to.. I guess once again bush was talking to his people , the people who have money... Is this guy out of touch or what... He must be an expert now on hurricane damage with all the fly overs and assesment of damage he has done..... Thanks bush..you bankrupted another 'thing'.... If anything good comes out of these last few years of bush it will be the re awakining of peoples understanding that instead of infastucture help in iraq we need that help right here... Hopefully in time things will become more domestic oriented and less overseas bogdowns........ Can this guy be impeached for giving a blowjob to saudi arabi ???? \Bean ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Hey, Joe (and everyone else, too) . . . Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:31:22 -0400 Joe wrote: > > Front and Center, Private CHunk of the Imperialist Fascist Army. > > Trying to change the subject, are we? Oh, the irony... > Why face reality, Private Chubk, when you can just regurgiate Rush Lamo? > > You have blood on your hands. How do you sleep at night? > > Joe ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: FEMA rehires Brown Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:30:31 -0400 Joe wrote: > > houndish@netzero.net wrote: > > yes - America is great. Don't like it? Leave dirtbag hippy. > > Sounds like a plan. Will Wednesday morning be soon enough, Herr Houndish? > > But, I'll be back in time to march through the streets of San Francisco, > while chanting: "Abu Ghraib-USA For All Right Wing Nitwit Deadheads." > > I'll be the tanned and rested hippie Dead Head. A tanned and rested hippicrite is more like it... > Let's take back America on 11/2. We deserve better than Bush/Cheney and > their lies. > > Joe ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:40:44 -0400 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > Joe wrote: > > > > The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > > > > > Or airlines! > > > > Yo, Ted. > > > > You're quick with the "let's give Joe a load of shit for taking a > > vacation", but it was all when I said you were as honest as > > Boston man can be. > > > > Why's that, dude? Crickets got your tongue, after you take the dope and > > run? > > No. I wouldn't waste my time trying to justify something I did as a > teenager back in 1981 (i.e. twenty four years ago), especially if it > concerned drugs that I may/may not have been expected to give back. > > You, on the other hand, have an awfully tough time admitting that you're > currently throwing all your anti-corporate/anti-fuel > consumption/pseudo-hippy assbabbling out the window because you want to > take a vacation somewhere in upper Pico de Gallo. Your convictions only > apply when they're convenient. > > Given your behavior over the past year or so, it's not too far a stretch > to imagine you suddenly becoming a Halliburton supporter if they were to > release a film about the benefits of organic farming, or suddenly > calling Dave Nelson a no-talent hack if he were to make a surprise > announcement that he was a lifelong republican. > > Now...let's see what parts of that you cut out in your reply. My guess > is that everything concerning your flexible ethics will be missing, and > that that you'll only discuss what I did as a teenager. > > Prove me wrong and explain how you stand behind your rantings while > you're planning to fly on a corporate owned, fuel-guzzling jet, just so > you can play hide the chorizo in some little Mexican resort with your > new anti-corporate/anti-fuel consumption sweetie. > > G'head, Joe Prove me wrong. 'Splain yourself... What's wrong, dude? Crickets got your tongue? ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:35:47 -0700 Stephen St. wrote: > Wow, that was fun. > > The comments in England after the electric set are priceless. > > Part 2 tomorrow? yes - same time same channel. just an incredible show. the snippet of Ballad of a Thin Man from England was nothing short of astounding. to think they booed and heckled him for that stuff - wtf... ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Bill O'Reilly vs. Phil Donahue Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:53:54 -0400 "JC Martin" wrote in message news:It_Ye.7$Aw.146@typhoon.sonic.net... > Schmoe wrote: >> JC Martin wrote: >> >>>Good one: >>> >> >> Quote that silly dialogue. It looks like classic Snopes material. > > > It is silly, which is why I posted it. Classic material from two > ideologues, except one them pretends to be an Independent. This is pop > art of the highest caliber. > > -JC I heard this "interview" Phil Donahue is so completely detached from reality that it was pathitic. I was rooting for O'Reilly simply because Donahue was being such a prick that I wanted to smack him around. And I am sympathetic to Donahue's POV. Phil should shut the fuck up, because he is not going to convince many people to be sympathetic to his side, and he might very well drive some people away Sarcasm and Sanctimony aren't very effective debating tools Scot ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: Re: SKB - Capistrano Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:55:14 -0700 :) thanks guys. I can't wait to see the new lineup either. they are coming to a small venue (the stone church) in NH in late Oct. ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: RIP, Agent 86 Date: 27 Sep 2005 05:27:45 -0700 Joe wrote: > greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > First Scotty, the Gilligan and now Agent 86! > > > This is not right. > > Smash your television and set your brain free. And become a bitter delusional old poseur hippie doper like you? I'd rather watch Family Guy, thanks anyway. Mark ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 05:31:55 -0700 Joe wrote: > Ray wrote: > > > Shutting down San Francisco will do no such thing. > > I'll post some details in the morning, but the plan is for a nationwide > general strike. How can you strike when you don't do anything? Mark ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Patriots continue to own the Steelers Date: 27 Sep 2005 05:36:11 -0700 John Hanson wrote: > "Neil X." wrote in message > news:1127786759.658597.127850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > >> Andrew Murawa wrote: > >> > >> That's another thing that college ball has all over the NFL... You can > >> go to any college game on the planet wearing the away team's colors and > >> not have to fear for your safety... It is a rare NFL game where that > >> happens... > > > > > > Andrew, that's just simply not true. I've been to dozens of NFL games > > at this point, in New England, Chicago, NY, Minnesota. It is far from > > "rare" that the visiting team's fans aren't hassled. I've never seen > > anything other than jocular trash talking. What's rare is the kind of > > experience described by John. And even in this instance, it sounds as > > if there was no actual violence........ > > There was no violence, just some cheap forearm shots as some of the more lit > up Charger fans were passing in the halls. I'm a smart ass from way back, > but I had absolutely no trouble keeping my head down and my mouth shut this > time. We (friends and I, not my wife who stayed at her seat) were headed to > Murphy's bar inside the stadium at halftime and had to make it through a > massive throng of amped up drunks. For the first time in my life, I really > thought I would get seriously mob stomped if I said the wrong thing. Very > spooky. I've never had it happen before, and I've worn Giant stuff to a > pretty fair number of away games. All things considered, I would have had a > better time staying home (or possibly wearing a different shirt to the > game). You know, this would not have surprised me if this game had been in, say, Oakland...but I thought SD folks were laid back...guess not. Hell, even in New England we'd bust your balls, but the zero tolerance policy for misbehaviour and the 53,000 people on the season ticket waiting list have kept the rowdies under control. Mark ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:05:15 -0400 "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message news:3ps1n4Fbl8k6U1@individual.net... > > "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message > news:3prnqnFc0i6cU1@individual.net... >> fare thee well, Maxwell Smart... > > also, can't forget Tennessee Tuxedo! > > "duuhhhhh...hey Tennessee!" -- Chumley > -- > Peace, > Steve I posted this in another thread and no one seemed to remember it. I loved Tennesse Tuxedo, It was pretty much a toss up between Rocky and Bullwinkle and Tennesse Tuxedo for my favorite cartoon shows when I was a kid. 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