From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #405 Dead-Flames Digest #405, Volume #48 Sun, 25 Sep 05 14:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Legion of Mary Permavine Closed ("jmw11") (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi ("Dave") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Bill") Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi ("Criminal Fascist Monster") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Olompali4") Re: N.Z. electronic voting glitch -- let this be a lesson to the U.S. (NDC) ("Dave") Re: N.Z. electronic voting glitch -- let this be a lesson to the U.S. (NDC) ("Dave") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Rupert") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Bill") Re: Spare lanes ("pv34pv3p") Re: Rex show tonight... ("ck") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Carlisle") Re: Rex show tonight... (Cassady Ginsberg) Re: Gore 08 ??? ("pv34pv3p") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jmw11" Subject: Re: Legion of Mary Permavine Closed Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:12:14 -0400 Offer closed. Look for Tom to offer this up in the near future. Jason "jmw11" wrote in message news:5DzZe.20113$nq.15252@lakeread05... > Thanks to Steve, I just finished burning these shows so it is time to offer > them back up. First one to reply to me directly with a promise to continue > the vine gets 'em. > > Legion of Mary (6 shn discs total) > > 4/6/75 : http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=6372 > > 4/8/75: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=14207 > > 4/9/75: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=14606 > > 4/9/75: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=4485 > > 4/10/75: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=14209 > > 4/13/75: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=4483 > > 4/18/75: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=4482 > > Jason > > ------------------------------ From: "Dave" Subject: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:30:14 +1200 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10347310 American troops fire 250,000 bullets for every local they kill 26.09.05 By Andrew Buncombe WASHINGTON - United States forces have fired so many bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan - an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed - that American ammunition-makers cannot keep up with demand. As a result the US is having to import supplies from Israel. A US Government report says that US forces are using 1.8 billion rounds of small-arms ammunition a year. The total has more than doubled in five years, largely as a result of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as changes in military doctrine and increased training. Estimating how many bullets US forces have expended for every insurgent killed is not a simple or precisely scientific matter. The former head of US forces in Iraq, General Tommy Franks, famously claimed that his forces "don't do body counts". Estimates from military officials suggest that at least 20,000 insurgents have been killed in President George W. Bush's "war on terror". John Pike, director of the Washington military research group GlobalSecurity.org, said that, based on General Accounting Office figures, US forces expended around 6 billion bullets between 2002 and 2005. "How many evil-doers have we sent to their maker using bullets rather than bombs? I don't know," he said. "If they don't do body counts, how can I? But using these figures it works out at around 300,000 bullets per insurgent. Let's round that down to 250,000 so that we are underestimating." Pointing out that officials say many of these bullets have been used for training purposes, he said: "What are you training for? To kill insurgents." The General Accounting Office report notes that the three Government-owned, contractor-operated plants that produce small- and medium-calibre ammunition were built in 1941. Though millions of dollars have been spent on upgrading the facilities, they remain unable to meet current munitions needs. "As a result," the report says, "the Department of Defence had to rely at least in part on foreign commercial producers to meet its small-calibre ammunition needs." A report in Manufacturing & Technology News said that the Pentagon eventually found two producers capable of meeting its requirements. One of these was the US firm Olin-Winchester. The other was Israel Military Industries, an ammunition manufacturer linked to the Israeli Government, which produces the bulk of weapons and ordnance for the Israeli Defence Force. The Pentagon reportedly bought 313 million rounds of 5.56mm, 7.62mm and 50-calibre ammunition last year and paid US$10 million ($14.6 million) more than it would have cost for it to produce the ammunition at its own facilities. - INDEPENDENT Dave ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:45:45 GMT "Rupert" wrote > > We got there right at show time, so it was really fucking crowded and > the lawn was totally packed. In fact, I've never seen the lawn so > crowded for ANY show...they completely oversold the place. It appears that was the case. > But then there were hundreds, if not thousands, of people jammed into > the aisles in the "reserved" seats, as well as the main walkway. Yeah it was hard to find where the aisle was in the main section as one walked from the beer garden at the top to the main section. > And > everyone was smoking cigarettes!!! What a treat, for a no-smoking > facility. The rented security at this gig was a fucking joke... It was definitely not much of a presence. They didn't even search my full backpack as I was coming in. I was kicking myself for not putting some beers in there after paying $7 and $8 for the same in the beer garden. But I definitely don't like going to gigs where the security is too much in the other direction. Fortunately things ran pretty smoothly last night as far as I could tell. > I > actually saw one woman sitting on the railing half-way through the > show, talking on her cellphone. The crowd seemed to be in a frenzy to > spend as much money inside the gig as humanly possible. The $40 posters > sold out within a couple of hours, and the t-shirs were all gone by the > time we left. Between the posters, t-shirts, and all the $7 and $8 beer they were selling, they must've made a BUNDLE in addition to the ticket price. > > And of course, the beer was flying! Now I just want to know, why does > it say on the sign outside that you can't bring in bottles, then they > sell you beer in a bottle inside the show? That you can walk around > with!! I can't tell you how many times I've lost my footing on bottles > at the Fillmore, because someone was too lazy to go over and toss it. I think what they are worried about is people bringing in glass bottles and having them break. The beer bottles last night were plastic which was nice to see. It's last past time that all beer companies start selling their product in plastic bottles only. It's tiresome to have to walk your dog through broken glass, in otherwise nice areas, due to drunken folks who break their beer bottles. > > My heart goes out the poor tapers, too. They were forced to set up at > the base of the lawn, which is okay if you have some really good mics. > But, the aisleway was completely unpatroled directly in front of the > tapers, so it probably sounded just exactly like a rowdy cocktail party > full of hippies. > > We found the family section, over on one end of the lawn, and settled > in. Great show, from what I remember of it. I'm on Vicodin for a > pinched nerve in my back. > > It was great to see Merle Saunders sitting up there with Melvin during > the "JGB" set. Melvin sure is BIG. With that fedura hat and the size he is, he looked like a black mafia crime boss. He should lose some weight fast or he'll be in Merl's condition. > I still don't think that Trey can sing to save his life. > Donna was fantastic, as were Gloria and Jackie. > > Greatest moment of the show: When the PA got turned off, and it took > forever for them to notify the sound guy, who was UNDERNEATH it!! > Somebody's looking for work on Monday, guaranteed! Yeah Weir saved the day there. He came backstage and in about a second the sound was back on again. For me the turning point of the night music-wise was Bertha. I thought that everything before Bertha was good but not kickass (like a Greek show with Jerry would have been). I was kinda sad about Jerry being gone prior to Bertha because everything before Bertha was just a reminder to me just how great a Greek show would have been with Jerry leading the Dead as it was in the '80s and that I would never witness that again. But Bertha completely kick things up a few notches and got my mind on digging the music. Then following Bertha, Trey did a great Eyes. From then on, I dug pretty much everything. He also did a great Help. The two catalysts for the music getting better, I thought, were Trey's getting up there to play (I'm not a phishhead at all, don't own any of their tapes, but I liked his playing and the energy he brought). Trey was the first guitarist that night to finally get a BIG sound on the guitar. Like Jerry, he seemed to be aware of the importance of getting the volume right. He doesn't have the incredible tone Garcia would get but getting the volume right sure helped last night. The other big catalyst IMO was getting Kreutzmann and Hart on drums. Once Kreutzmann and Hart took over from Jay Lane, the sound got much more powerful and alive. They were pounding the crap out of those poor drums. They completely changed the energy of the concert. It was great to be in the Greek with so many Deadheads and get that Deadhead energy and to see so many musicians honoring Jerry. Though musically it didn't come anywhere close to the incredible feeling of seeing and hearing Jerry play his magical perfect guitar with the Grateful Dead there in the '80s, it was a lot of fun to take that time trip back to the Greek with that Grateful Dead and Deadhead energy. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Criminal Fascist Monster" Subject: Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi Date: 25 Sep 2005 12:51:38 -0700 more reason to nuke the goddamn place and get it over with ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 25 Sep 2005 12:59:49 -0700 Zyzyx's photos of last night: : http://pics.livejournal.com/thezzyzx/gallery/00007qqh ------------------------------ From: "Dave" Subject: Re: N.Z. electronic voting glitch -- let this be a lesson to the U.S. (NDC) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:08:18 +1200 "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message news:3pn3cqFb7hdkU1@individual.net... > BC-AS-POL--NewZealand-El 09-23 0295 > NZ- BC-AS-POLNewZealand-El 09-23 0295 asian BC-AS-POLNew > Zealand-Elections > NZ election official plays down absentee voting computer glitch > > WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) An unknown number of the absentee > votes which might decide the outcome of New Zealand's cliffhanger > general election may have been invalidated by computer glitches, > Wellington's Dominion Post newspaper reported Saturday. > > The paper said voting forms downloaded from the Electoral Office > Web site by New Zealanders casting ballots overseas may have been > damaged by voters' computer software. > > More than 200,000 absentee or ``special votes'' have still to be > counted before the final outcome of the Sept. 17 election is declared > on Oct. 1. > > On election-night figures the center-left Labour Party of ruling > Prime Minister Helen Clark held a one-seat majority over the > opposition National Party in the 122-seat legislature but did not win > an outright majority. > > The Dominion Post said as many as 13,000 voting papers downloaded > and faxed to vote counters may have been corrupted by voters' > computer setups. > > But electoral officials played down the significance of the > glitch, saying voters were able to fix it with an updated version of > the software. > > ``There have been some voters, when they have printed the (voting) > paper, have found all the parties have been blanked out,'' assistant > chief electoral officer Robert Peden said. > > ``In that case they have contacted the help desk (and) the desk > has assisted them to get an updated version of (the software) and > they have been able to print the paper out properly.'' > > Clark and National Party leader Don Brash held preliminary talks > with minor parties last week aimed at brokering coalition deals for > the next three-year parliamentary term. > > AP-NY-09-23-05 2108EDT Interesting. Thanks for that info. It's been briefly mentioned on our news, but with no details. However, neither major party has raised the issue as a significant problem at this stage. In our system of proportional representation, we vote for a local representative, and we vote for a party. It is the second vote that determines the total number of seats a party gains in parliament. There are, I think, 66 electorate seats, and another 54 seats allocated to the parties on the basis of their share of the party vote. Each party can allocate these seats to whoever it wishes, (its "list") to bring it's numbers up to the required level. All votes are cast by marking a voting paper and placing it in a box, (or posting it to an electoral office in the case of special votes) so there is not the scope for electrickery that appears to exist with the Diebold setup. If a party wins even one electoral seat, it's total vote for the whole country is reckoned in determining its allocation of seats. So, the ACT Party won one electorate, but has two seats in parliament. If a party fails to win an electorate, it has to win 5% of the party vote before it is represented in parliament. At present, the Green party is sitting on 5% of the party vote, which gives it 6 seats in parliament. If special votes drop that figure below 5% - to, say, 4.99% - it gets none. Now the election has been so close that the sitting government needs the six supporting votes from the Green Party to continue in power, so the result of the specials could be crucial. (Another week to go before the count is final.) As specials tend overall to favour the Greens, the government is unlikely to be involved in any hankypanky that would disenfranchise special voters. Dave ------------------------------ From: "Dave" Subject: Re: N.Z. electronic voting glitch -- let this be a lesson to the U.S. (NDC) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:01:12 +1200 "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message news:3pn3cqFb7hdkU1@individual.net... > BC-AS-POL--NewZealand-El 09-23 0295 > NZ- BC-AS-POLNewZealand-El 09-23 0295 asian BC-AS-POLNew > Zealand-Elections > NZ election official plays down absentee voting computer glitch > > WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) An unknown number of the absentee > votes which might decide the outcome of New Zealand's cliffhanger > general election may have been invalidated by computer glitches, > Wellington's Dominion Post newspaper reported Saturday. > > The paper said voting forms downloaded from the Electoral Office > Web site by New Zealanders casting ballots overseas may have been > damaged by voters' computer software. > > More than 200,000 absentee or ``special votes'' have still to be > counted before the final outcome of the Sept. 17 election is declared > on Oct. 1. > > On election-night figures the center-left Labour Party of ruling > Prime Minister Helen Clark held a one-seat majority over the > opposition National Party in the 122-seat legislature but did not win > an outright majority. > > The Dominion Post said as many as 13,000 voting papers downloaded > and faxed to vote counters may have been corrupted by voters' > computer setups. > > But electoral officials played down the significance of the > glitch, saying voters were able to fix it with an updated version of > the software. > > ``There have been some voters, when they have printed the (voting) > paper, have found all the parties have been blanked out,'' assistant > chief electoral officer Robert Peden said. > > ``In that case they have contacted the help desk (and) the desk > has assisted them to get an updated version of (the software) and > they have been able to print the paper out properly.'' > > Clark and National Party leader Don Brash held preliminary talks > with minor parties last week aimed at brokering coalition deals for > the next three-year parliamentary term. > > AP-NY-09-23-05 2108EDT Interesting. Thanks for that info. It's been briefly mentioned on our news, but with no details. However, neither major party has raised the issue as a significant problem at this stage. In our system of proportional representation, we vote for a local representative, and we vote for a party. It is the second vote that determines the total number of seats a party gains in parliament. There are, I think, 66 electorate seats, and another 54 seats allocated to the parties on the basis of their share of the party vote. Each party can allocate these seats to whoever it wishes, (its "list") to bring it's numbers up to the required level. All votes are cast by marking a voting paper and placing it in a box, (or posting it to an electoral office in the case of special votes) so there is not the scope for electrickery that appears to exist with the Diebold setup. If a party wins even one electoral seat, it's total vote for the whole country is reckoned in determining its allocation of seats. So, the ACT Party won one electorate, but has two seats in parliament. If a party fails to win an electorate, it has to win 5% of the party vote before it is represented in parliament. At present, the Green party is sitting on 5% of the party vote, which gives it 6 seats in parliament. If special votes drop that figure below 5% - to, say, 4.99% - it gets none. Now the election has been so close that the sitting government needs the six supporting votes from the Green Party to continue in power, so the result of the specials could be crucial. (Another week to go before the count is final.) As specials tend overall to favour the Greens, the government is unlikely to be involved in any hankypanky that would disenfranchise special voters. Dave ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 25 Sep 2005 13:17:15 -0700 So that's what it looked like! Thanks. We could barely see the stage from where we were, plus we were keeping an eye on all the multitude of toddlers in our section. So we mostly just listened to the show :) ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:20:05 GMT One thing that would have been REALLY NICE (and was a big mistake IMO that it wasn't done) would have been to have David Nelson sing and play electric guitar with Weir, Hart and Kreutzmann and everyone else in the main band. I think musically the crowd would have related more to David Nelson doing Cumberland Blues, especially since as a guitar player, his style is much closer to Garcia's than anyone that was there last night. I thought it was not taking advantage of his skills, especially in an event honoring Garcia, to relegate him to an acoustic guitar with two others on acoustic instruments such that all three were barely audible in a half empty Greek. He should have been on electric guitar ripping it up in the prime time of last night with the band that had Weir, Hart, and Kreutuzmann. I'll bet the crowd would have lost it if they had heard a Cumberland Blues with David Nelson singing and playing lead electric guitar backed up by Weir, Hart, Kreutuzmann and everyone else Just a small nitpick on a great night. Longlive the Grateful Dead energy at the Greek. Bill ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Spare lanes Date: 25 Sep 2005 13:28:15 -0700 > He's 6' 6" 290 red and white...so not many folks fuck with him...Even > in Mexico... >Got obesity? >Joe Forgot to mention Joe as one of the few exceptions...But that pretty much applies to everything...except perhaps...snappy comebacks... Joey, Joey King of the streets child of clay Joey, Joey What made them want to come and blow you away? pv34pv3p(He did ten years in Attica, reading Nietzche and Wilhelm Reich) ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:29:46 -0400 "Bill" wrote in message news:VDDZe.217$lc1.117@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > One thing that would have been REALLY NICE (and was a big mistake IMO that > it wasn't done) would have been to have David Nelson sing and play electric > guitar with Weir, Hart and Kreutzmann and everyone else in the main band. > > I think musically the crowd would have related more to David Nelson doing > Cumberland Blues, especially since as a guitar player, his style is much > closer to Garcia's than anyone that was there last night. > > I thought it was not taking advantage of his skills, especially in an event > honoring Garcia, to relegate him to an acoustic guitar with two others on > acoustic instruments such that all three were barely audible in a half empty > Greek. He should have been on electric guitar ripping it up in the prime > time of last night with the band that had Weir, Hart, and Kreutuzmann. I'll > bet the crowd would have lost it if they had heard a Cumberland Blues with > David Nelson singing and playing lead electric guitar backed up by Weir, > Hart, Kreutuzmann and everyone else > > Just a small nitpick on a great night. Longlive the Grateful Dead energy at > the Greek. > > Bill > > i can still remmeber the Cumberland Blues TOO;s opened their two night run in Boston in'02 with Jimmy . Who DID play on Cumblerland? http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/macbr23.jpg ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 25 Sep 2005 13:34:15 -0700 I would have LOVED to have been there!!! Thanks for the pictures and first hand accounts of this celebration of JG. All good things in all good time, Carrie "Inspiration move me brightly light the song with sense and color hold away despair- More than this I will not ask faced with mysteries dark and vast statements just seem vain at last..." ------------------------------ From: Cassady Ginsberg Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:43:19 +0000 (UTC) http://pics.livejournal.com/thezzyzx/gallery/00007qqh __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Gore 08 ??? Date: 25 Sep 2005 13:45:22 -0700 Don't be absurd, people. Elections are so 20th Century. I know; let's flip a virtual-coin instead. If it comes up Diebold, it'll be another genocidal, mass-murdering, planet-polluting, piece-of-shit republican. And, if it doesn't come up Diebold, it'll still be a genocidal, mass-murdering, planet-polluting, piece-of-shit republican. Ain't America Great? Alright Joe...Who let you outa the Orgone Accumulator??? http://home.netcom.com/~rogermw/Reich/accumulators.html pv34pv3p(Nurse!!!!) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .