From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #537 Dead-Flames Digest #537, Volume #48 Sun, 9 Oct 05 13:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Hard ttimes in NE ("Rogues Island's finest") Freecycle (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Obituary (ndc) (greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com) Re: Obituary (ndc) (greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com) Re: 9-21-72 Darkstar ("ck") Re: Happy Birthday John ("Jay") Re: Happy Birthday John ("ck") Re: Freecycle (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: Music is good for the heart (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: Happy Birthday John ("GemAmber") Re: 9-21-72 Darkstar ("Steve Terry") Re: Wah Advice... (Steve Lenier) Re: 9-21-72 Darkstar (Peter_Wimsey) Re: Happy Birthday John ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Hardly Strictly Bluegrass photos! ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: 9-21-72 Darkstar ("ck") Re: Got Help? (ndc) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: Long a GOP outlet, talk radio undergoes shift (NDC) ("The Iron Muffin") Re: Freecycle (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: Freecycle ("Schmoe") Re: Wah Advice... (JimK) Re: set your tivo for The History Channel tonight! "the history of illegal drugs... ("msaesxh") Re: Freecycle (Michael Black) Off Topic: Now in paperback for the first time (marc_catone@yahoo.com) Thank you Andrew Murawa! ("The Iron Muffin") Re: Off Topic: Now in paperback for the first time ("Richard Morris") Re: Thank you Andrew Murawa! ("Richard Morris") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Hard ttimes in NE Date: 9 Oct 2005 10:01:40 -0700 John Doherty wrote: > In article <4348c503@news.accesscomm.ca>, "sacha" > wrote: > > > sad season for NE sports fans... Too freakin bad<-)) > > Maybe it's easier as a fairweather fan, but personally, winning the > World Series framed by two Superbowl victories seems like enough for any > town, for bragging rights for the foreseeable future. True, and lets not forget that although the Patriots are still working to define their 2005 season, it's still early in the season and we WILL be there come January. > best of luck to those White Sox - if they haven't had a WS win since > 1917, we know their pain better than most. I like this team and am rooting for them to go all the way. > Or, as Rob Corddry said on the Daily Show , "We USED TO!";-) > > Now, if only we took that presidential election last time.... Hopefully they will field a better team in '08. Mark ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Freecycle Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:44:46 -0400 I saw a bit about this on 20/20 the other night. It's a way to give away stuff you have around the house as well as find things that you might need/want -- for free. http://www.freecycle.org ------------------------------ From: greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Obituary (ndc) Date: 9 Oct 2005 10:16:20 -0700 Some parts of it were true. It was too negative. We are in a transitional state and in a few decades there will be plentiful cheap clean energy. .. ------------------------------ From: greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Obituary (ndc) Date: 9 Oct 2005 10:20:15 -0700 and pot will be legal too! .. ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: 9-21-72 Darkstar Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:24:25 -0400 "Peter_Wimsey" wrote in message news:dib8dq$525$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu... > ck wrote: > > "mjd" wrote in message > > news:1128790724.082537.183830@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > >>I just posted one yesterday in the 9/21/72 B&P thread, so at risk of > >>repeating myself I'll offer my opinion that it is not only one of the > >>top 5, but the top one. > >> > > > > > > tell that to 4/8/72.. > > > > > > Funny, a couple weeks ago I posted that *of 1972, 1973, and 1974* 1972 > is a tad overhyped and '74 is the real winner (and the '74 Miami Dark > Star is the best albeit with no words). I think this thread proves my > point. However, at the time I was also declaring my renewed interest in > 1972 because of a listening to 9/21. So, I guess I am going to have to > join the 9/21 bandwagon until I listen to the rest of 1972 this year. As > for 1974, I still stand by my current (but maleable) opinion that 1974 > trumps 1972 for jams. > N i don't think in those terms. I see it as counterproductive to try and rank years. If you simply allow that each year is a thing in and of it self you are free to thoroughly dig them all fully.You may find one year more to your liking, be more blown away by one year's shows than another but i think each year has its own identity in a way and when you see for instance '72 as the year they put a jam in to Playin' and went furthur out with the Other One you can appreciate the freshness of those explorations for how they lead to the mammoth expressions supporting the '74 greatness and so it becomes like the Mother of '74 and everyone loves their mother right? lol. ------------------------------ From: "Jay" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday John Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:25:36 -0400 How strange is this ? I was just listening to The Beatles Let It Be album ......... ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday John Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:27:38 -0400 "Jay" wrote in message news:rq-dnbE3RKRez9TeRVn-gQ@adelphia.com... > How strange is this ? I was just listening to The Beatles Let It Be album > ........ > > Doh!! i thought he meant John Kahn. ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Freecycle Date: 9 Oct 2005 10:29:28 -0700 Craigslist? Is that you? ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Music is good for the heart Date: 9 Oct 2005 10:30:51 -0700 I thought it was beans whats good for yer heart?!? Nevermind... ------------------------------ From: "GemAmber" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday John Date: 9 Oct 2005 10:45:32 -0700 The chain and I just finished watching all 5 Anthology DVDs. RIP John. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: 9-21-72 Darkstar Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:54:31 -0500 "ck" wrote in message: > i don't think in those terms. I see it as counterproductive to try and > rank years. If you simply allow that each year is a thing in and of it > self > you are free to thoroughly dig them all fully.You may find one year more > to > your liking, be more blown away by one year's shows than another but i > think > each year has its own identity in a way and when you see for instance '72 > as > the year they put a jam in to Playin' and went furthur out with the Other > One you can appreciate the freshness of those explorations for how they > lead > to the mammoth expressions supporting the '74 greatness and so it becomes > like the Mother of '74 and everyone loves their mother right? lol. Yeah, but this one goes to eleven. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:06:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Wah Advice... From: Steve Lenier in article ollbk1tffr810ietsad8p3hp2jen1teh6s@4ax.com, JimK at jkezwind@comcastDOTnet wrote on 10/6/05 7:00 PM: > On 6 Oct 2005 16:00:04 -0700, "MisTerGyRo" wrote: > >> I am thinking about buying a wah and wanted your opinion. > > Are they cheaper than vowels? > > JimK Jim, you should know that wah IS sometimes a vowel...you know, a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes wah... Steve ------------------------------ From: Peter_Wimsey Subject: Re: 9-21-72 Darkstar Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:08:05 -0400 Steve Terry wrote: > "ck" wrote in message: > > >>i don't think in those terms. I see it as counterproductive to try and >>rank years. If you simply allow that each year is a thing in and of it >>self >>you are free to thoroughly dig them all fully.You may find one year more >>to >>your liking, be more blown away by one year's shows than another but i >>think >>each year has its own identity in a way and when you see for instance '72 >>as >>the year they put a jam in to Playin' and went furthur out with the Other >>One you can appreciate the freshness of those explorations for how they >>lead >>to the mammoth expressions supporting the '74 greatness and so it becomes >>like the Mother of '74 and everyone loves their mother right? lol. > > > Yeah, but this one goes to eleven. > > exactly! N ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday John Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 18:27:25 GMT He was one of the greatest songwriters ever. His music has added depth to my life! NFA John! ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Hardly Strictly Bluegrass photos! Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 18:29:14 GMT "band beyond description" wrote in message "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message > http://www.strictlybluegrass.com/2005/artists.shtml There are some crowd > shots in there too. Can anyone find themselves? Steve Lenier? Dave Kelly? > > you can just barely make out the silhouette of Geraldine in the distance of the "#7 Crowd at Banjo" photo... -- Peace, Steve ******************************* IS that what that is? I thought it was purple haze! ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: 9-21-72 Darkstar Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:30:50 -0400 "Peter_Wimsey" wrote in message news:dibma5$e0h$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu... > Steve Terry wrote: > > > "ck" wrote in message: > > > > > >>i don't think in those terms. I see it as counterproductive to try and > >>rank years. If you simply allow that each year is a thing in and of it > >>self > >>you are free to thoroughly dig them all fully.You may find one year more > >>to > >>your liking, be more blown away by one year's shows than another but i > >>think > >>each year has its own identity in a way and when you see for instance '72 > >>as > >>the year they put a jam in to Playin' and went furthur out with the Other > >>One you can appreciate the freshness of those explorations for how they > >>lead > >>to the mammoth expressions supporting the '74 greatness and so it becomes > >>like the Mother of '74 and everyone loves their mother right? lol. > > > > > > Yeah, but this one goes to eleven. > > > > > > exactly! > N also my challenge with 4-8-72 was exclusive to '72. I too find more to be enjoyed in '73/'74 . I think after reading in Garcia: Signpost to new space where Jerry is talking about doing new things with songs exploring more complex ideas and realising it was in 1972 it made a new connection in my mind when listening to say a '72 playing jam.Considering this was truely for them new uncharted territory it bears the mark of that enthusiasm and excitement of fresh discovery which is a delight in and of itself when the result is a deeply satisfying musical expression. It was a '72 Playin jam which inspired me to try my own pseudo 'plunderphonics' job ala Grayfolded with PITB as the victim.I spliced segemnts of the tune from the earliest '72 i could find with the highest quality using that tracs opening verses up to the beginning of the launch then found a particularly weird introductory jam segment and so on thru to the end section from DP 10. It worked out preety nicely with only one of the several splices being particularly ham-handed but i had other things to do and decided i could live with it. Its about 75 minutes and i called it Playin' on.... Driving thru the gnarly back roads of Cape Cod on a rainy Autumn night listening to that '72 space jam as lengthy as it was showed me a need for an even longer excursion into the unknown.I think TOO is next. ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Got Help? (ndc) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 18:30:20 GMT "Seth Jackson" > wrote in message ... , "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote: >I could go on but you get my message. It's the Christian people with love >and compassion who do the work. > I feel the Christian love just dripping from this message. ********************** LOL so true! ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: Long a GOP outlet, talk radio undergoes shift (NDC) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:41:13 -0400 Joe wrote: > I know...let's have a revolution. We'd all love to see the plan... -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Freecycle Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:29:51 -0400 joker4153@comcast.net wrote: > > Craigslist? Is that you? No. Craigslist is a place to sell stuff. This is a place for people to give things away. If you see something you like, all you have to do is send the person an email and make arrangments to go pick it up. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: Freecycle Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:58:40 -0400 The Lord of Eltingville wrote: > I saw a bit about this on 20/20 the other night. It's a way to give > away stuff you have around the house as well as find things that you > might need/want -- for free. > Love it! Thanks. ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Wah Advice... Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:01:53 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:06:02 -0700, Steve Lenier wrote: >in article ollbk1tffr810ietsad8p3hp2jen1teh6s@4ax.com, JimK at >jkezwind@comcastDOTnet wrote on 10/6/05 7:00 PM: > >> On 6 Oct 2005 16:00:04 -0700, "MisTerGyRo" wrote: >> >>> I am thinking about buying a wah and wanted your opinion. >> >> Are they cheaper than vowels? >> >> JimK > >Jim, you should know that wah IS sometimes a vowel...you know, a, e, i, o, >u, and sometimes wah... > >Steve Only below the Mason-Dixon line. Wah's are free there. JimK ------------------------------ From: "msaesxh" Crossposted-To: rec.music.phish Subject: Re: set your tivo for The History Channel tonight! "the history of illegal drugs... Date: 9 Oct 2005 12:03:53 -0700 I watched that last night. It was pretty good, especially the marajuana one when they dealt with the whole propaganda thing. I also enjoyed the trippy stuff they showed during the LSD program. I love how they said LSD was causing society to go down the tubes because much of the drug culture was against the war. Oh no! Not that! Maybe Tim Leary did know what he was talking about... ------------------------------ From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: Freecycle Date: 9 Oct 2005 19:16:24 GMT Reply-To: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) The Lord of Eltingville (tthomas@[REMOVE_TO_REPLY]ogre.net) writes: > I saw a bit about this on 20/20 the other night. It's a way to give > away stuff you have around the house as well as find things that you > might need/want -- for free. > So? People have done this forever. They talk to their friends and neighbors, and thus know when someone can make use of something they no longer want. They leave stuff out on the sidewalk, sometimes even with signs saying "take it", so others can have it. They take it to the school, church or Rotary club sale, where it's sold off to raise money for the group. Or they take it to the Salvation Army or similar groups where it reaches those who need it, or is also sold off to raise money for the groups. They put ads in the newspaper saying they have things to give away. Or in more recent years, they post to their local buy and sell newsgroups saying they have things to give away. There really is no need for some specialized and trademarked organization to do this. It results in a closed system, where people who want stuff hook up with people who want to give things away. Take note that of people who find things waiting for the garbage trucks, there is a significant percentage who do so to turn around and sell the items. Not likely different on a mailing list devoted to "free" stuff. Plus, one can argue that the people who might most need "free" stuff aren't present, because they don't have internet access, or there are too many layers to get to "freecycling". One of the mistakes people make is that people throw things out because they don't care. More likely, they don't have a means of moving that large sofa. Or it's too much trouble to negotiate when to drop something off, or wait for someone to pick it up. Or places that accept donations aren't open at the right time. Note that placing ads for free stuff, unless one just announces they've left it outside a certain address (which is a tradtional means of doing this), is not really any different from placing an ad to sell the item; in both cases one has to negotiate a time and wait for someone to come by, even if one charges something or gives it away. So while we see lots of hype to "freecycling", even in the information age groups selling items for fundraising don't always get their word out. And even rarer is word that they are looking for items, so people still puzzle over where they can donate that still useable tv set. Better to organize that before hyping something that really isn't revolutionary. And one of the jokes of this is the ongoing arguments arising over the ownership of the name. Even a decade ago, most of the spaces on the internet were communal and or co-operative. But some bozo comes along and decides there's a need for some specialize mailing list for free stuff, and he bypasses the old ways of the internet, so these lists are running on commercial sites like yahoo, rather than in newsgroups. And of course, rather than being about making people give thought to giving things away, as is the case when anyone has posted an ad in the local buy and sell newsgroup offering something for free and where others might learn by example, they set up yet another isolated spot where the only connecting issue is either that you've got something to give away or want something free. People should give thought before chasing some new trend. Michael ------------------------------ From: marc_catone@yahoo.com Subject: Off Topic: Now in paperback for the first time Date: 9 Oct 2005 12:25:18 -0700 Some of you may remember my book from the 1980s, "As I Write This Letter: An American Generation Remembers The Beatles", which was a collection of letters, essays, and artwork, all done by Beatles fans, on the importance and influence the Fab Four had on our lives and society. In the mid-1990s I wrote a book called "The Giant's Chair". It's the tale of Adam Chance, a boy coming of age in the Sixties, greatly influenced by The Beatles and John Lennon, and a man facing the ups and downs of middle age in the 90s. Since 1999, "The Giant's Chair" has been available online only as an e-book. Well, I'm very happy to tell you that "The Giant's Chair" is now available as a Paperback. Just to give you some background on the title. The Giant's Chair is real. It's a rock formation located in the hills across the street from where I grew up in Connecticut. On and off, during my teen years, I visited the Giant's Chair many times. It was a very peaceful place to just be, and think about whatever problems or circumstamces were concerning me then. However, as time went on, I visited the Giant's Chair less frequently, but I never forgot it. I went to college,got a job and got married, and moved away from my hometown. Fast forward almost 20 years later to 1992 as I walked along a forest trail covered with Autumn leaves. Something about the surroundings reminded me of the path near the Giant's Chair. I wrote the Giant's Chair into my evolving fiction manuscript. Ultimately, its name became the title of the book. To see the cover, a synopsis of the book, a sample from Chapter One, and how to order, visit the following link: http://www.authorhouse.com/bookstore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=1817 Peace, Marc ------------------------------ Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Thank you Andrew Murawa! Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:34:38 -0400 Hey now, my freaky darlings. I just found a package from Andrew Murawa under a pile of papers and stuff on my desk. It contains several Grateful Dead shows, a copy of "It's Not Dark Star" (the 2004 RMGD compilation), and a Jimi Hendrix show from 1969. I just wanted to say THANK YOU to Andrew for sending along this package. -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Off Topic: Now in paperback for the first time Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:56:36 -0700 wrote in message news:1128885918.494082.91330@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Some of you may remember my book from the 1980s, "As I Write This > Letter: An American > Generation Remembers The Beatles", And some of us may not. R. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Thank you Andrew Murawa! Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:57:57 -0700 "The Iron Muffin" wrote in message news:gumdnTQaQfix8tTeRVn-vA@comcast.com... > Hey now, my freaky darlings. > > I just found a package from Andrew Murawa under a pile of papers > and stuff on my desk. It contains several Grateful Dead shows, a > copy of "It's Not Dark Star" (the 2004 RMGD compilation), and a > Jimi Hendrix show from 1969. > > I just wanted to say THANK YOU to Andrew for sending along > this package. Wow ... archeology! What format was the music in. CD or tape? :) R. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .