From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #533 Dead-Flames Digest #533, Volume #48 Sat, 8 Oct 05 13:00:01 PDT Contents: Obituary (ndc) ("augustwestern") Re: Got Organic Milk? ("walstib77") Delphi files for bankruptcy. (ba ba booie) Re: New Riders of The Purple Sage Mexicali: Booie what'ya think? ("frndthdevl") Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? ("walstib77") Re: (NDC) anybody gamble (football) online? ("Mike") Re: New Riders of The Purple Sage Mexicali: Booie what'ya think? ("Richard Morris") Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? ("walstib77") Re: Rescuing Jesus (ndc) ("walstib77") Quake does what bush cant .... ("Don Bean") Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. ("Richard Morris") Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. (joker4153@comcast.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "augustwestern" Subject: Obituary (ndc) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:40:20 -0700 Obituary for the: UNITED STATES of America! The Republic of the United States passed away on October 8th 2005 She was born on July 4th 1776 at the Continental Congress in Philadelphia. At her birth: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and Alexander Hamilton were in attendance. She had a long fruitful life of 200+ years. She brought many healthy children into the world and helped many in their time of need. In her time of strength she offered care for the sick, refuge for the weak and sustenance for the hungry. She had been suffering from the disease called Greed, which she contracted on November 2, 2000. She finally succumbed to that illness after suffering from the effects of GREED for five long years. Foreign Diplomats paid their respects, eulogizing her past glory. Emphasizing her mistakes and how to learn from them. Specifically: By avoiding the pitfalls. She leaves over 13% of her children living in poverty. Her infrastructure is in ruin. Her roads are crumbling. Her Mass Transit Systems are in disrepair. The long term effects of industrial pollution ravaged her body. She was but a shadow of her true self. The EPA announced that in 19 states of her states, it is now unsafe to eat any freshwater fish caught in her waters because of Mercury Poisoning! Her air is polluted with massive amounts of Carbon Dioxide which has triggered an unprecedented acceleration in Global Warming. Record Global temperatures! Record Sea level rise as the Ice Caps melt even faster. Warm Ocean Temperatures are spawning record amounts of giant hurricanes and tornadoes. We are all suffering the consequences. In the name of GREED: Her children are being infected by an Asthma epidemic. Thousands of children born each and every year are sentenced to a lifetime of gasping: for each and every breath they take! Gasping for the Poisonously, Polluted, Dirty, Contaminated AIR that weakens them. Clean air and pure water! This should be their legacy! Their Birthright! But it has been stolen from them! By GREEDY: Politicians, Lobbyists and the Polluters they work for! When the: Corporate Bottom line is more important than your health. Everyone is in DANGER In the name of GREED! Oil Men are pillaging our country! 200+ Pollution laws have been rescinded since the Bush appointment. Lobbyists run the E.P.A. Polluters write Pollution Law! Pharmaceutical companies run Medicare! All the Checks and Balances are: OFF! Corporate mercenaries have killed this great Lady! In the name of GREED: Acid Rain has sterilized one fifth of the lakes in the Adirondack Mountains. In the name of GREED: Acid rain has also destroyed the forest cover on the high peaks of the Appalachian Mountains. This once Beautiful Woman's body has been ravaged by the effects of Pollutants. This GREEDY pack of Corporate Polluters pass off the cost of doing business on the future health and welfare of our children. That is Corporate Welfare! Greed is a disease of the worst sort. It always attacks the weak and vulnerable. It hides the truth behind a stone wall of secrecy, propaganda and a pack of lies. They are Predators: who are feasting on the flesh of her children. We are all being impoverished: by their disrespect for her laws and fragrant disregard for her life. She also leaves a: Eight Trillion Dollar Debt! Her wealth was squandered on: Obsolete Military Weapons, Tax-Breaks for the RICH, Corporate Welfare for lobbyists and a Fake War for the Military. Her wealth and natural resources were all privatized by Government Officials and Lobbyists at the behest of their: Corporate Donors. Her house lays in ruin. Her Estate was badly mismanaged and is heavily mortgaged. This once fine Lady was dragged thru the mud by a group of Vicious Corporate Parasites who sucked blood, right out of her. It is hard for me to express my dismay at her condition. The Disease GREED which caused her Death is in epidemic proportions through out her family. Many Representatives of the Government are suffering from it, also. She is deeply indebted to: CHINA, JAPAN and SAUDI ARABIA. They financed her Military spending sprees and exasperated her severe addiction to oil. These problems finally led to her downfall and destruction. To all her Family and Friends I offer my sincere condolences. May we all learn from her mistakes and avoid her fate. Those who study history should learn from her mistakes Or Else: Be bound forever to: Repeat them. May she rest: In PEACE! ------------------------------ From: "walstib77" Subject: Re: Got Organic Milk? Date: 8 Oct 2005 11:42:17 -0700 Richard Morris wrote: > "Roxanne McDaniel" wrote in message > news:LeT1f.752$HA.561@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > > > > "walstib77" wrote in message > > > > Joe wrote: > >> jUST MAKE SURE YOUR MILK DOESN'T HAVE RBST > > > > Or RBGH. > > > > But how can you? The Fed makes it illegal to say you don't. > > > > Think there's a reason? > > > > I think it's criminal that we are, by law, prevented from knowing if > > there are hormones in our milk, if the animals in the food chain are > > loaded with antibiotics, or if the vegetables we eatr are genetically > > modified. > > > > The fact that the Democrats don't grab this issue and run it up the > > flag pole and watch the GOP fall into a corporate protective mode only > > shows me that, since Reagan defanged the unions, the Dems are > > clammoring for corporate cash as hard as the Repukes are. > > *********************** > > Fascinating that for some, what the democrats *aren't* doing is of greater > significance than the shit that the republicans *are* doing. Go figure. Considering how the democrats couldn't oust a blowmonkey handpuppet with as dismal arecord as GWB, maybe it *helps* to have a realistic perspective. When what the democrats *aren't* doing paves the way for the Repukes to do what they are doing, you BET it is of greater importance. The Dems need to get their act together, and this is one perfect issue where their silence is deafening. It's not practical, nor acceptible, to just be po'ed about the GOP. We can't just expect the Dems to succeed by not being Republicans. That's why they're nearly insignificant. Time to find an identity and stop running only on civil rights and abortion rights. ------------------------------ From: ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Delphi files for bankruptcy. Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:38:30 -0400 Delphi files for bankruptcy. Auto-parts maker to continue negotiations with UAW, GM Carlos Osorio / AP File DETROIT - Delphi Corp., the largest U.S. auto supplier, filed for bankruptcy Saturday, sending shock waves through the nation's auto industry, which already is weakened by high labor costs and falling market share. The company's bankruptcy is one of the largest in the country's history. Delphi filed to reorganize its U.S. operations in federal bankruptcy court in New York, where hearings are scheduled to begin next week. Delphi's non-U.S. operations were not included in the filing. Delphi Chairman and CEO Robert S. Miller said the company hopes to emerge from Chapter 11 in early to mid-2007. "We will make every effort to make this as quick as possible," Miller told The Associated Press on Saturday. Negotiations with GM, UAW Miller, a restructuring expert who was hired in July, had threatened to take the company into bankruptcy if he failed to reach a restructuring agreement with Delphi's former parent, General Motors Corp., and its largest union, the United Auto Workers. Miller set a deadline of Oct. 17, when U.S. bankruptcy laws are scheduled to change. Miller said Delphi will continue negotiating with GM and the UAW to lower its labor costs. Miller said the three parties agreed to continue their discussions after a bankruptcy filing. "We mutually concluded there was still too much of the complex work yet to be done," Miller said. "It was not going to be efficient to work right up to the midnight deadline to the change in the law." Miller said nothing will change immediately. Delphi will continue to pay its 50,000 U.S. employees and suppliers and will ship its products on schedule. Delphi has 31 plants in 13 states, including Michigan, Ohio, Alabama and California. The company has 185,000 employees worldwide. "We are not going to adversely affect our customers," he said. "Our people will get their pay checks and will still have their health benefits. Retirees will continue to get their checks. Any changes to that will be dealt with in an orderly way." Delphi will finance its operations with $4.5 billion in loans, including up to $2 billion in debtor-in-possession financing from a group of lenders led by JPMorgan Chase Bank and Citigroup Global Markets Inc. Delphi, based in the Detroit suburb of Troy, has struggled to make a profit since GM spun it off in 1999. It lost $4.8 billion in 2004 and nearly $750 million in the first half of this year. Delphi had $16.5 billion in total assets as of June 30, the most recent figure available, and has total debt of $6 billion, Standard & Poor's said Thursday. The company had $4.3 billion in unfunded pension liabilities at the end of 2004, according to a company filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The largest corporate bankruptcy in the U.S. was WorldCom Inc., which had $103.9 billion in pre-bankruptcy assets. Like Tower Automotive Inc. and other auto suppliers who have recently declared bankruptcy, Delphi has struggled with the high cost of steel and other raw materials as well as U.S. production cuts. But Delphi also blamed its spinoff agreement with GM for saddling it with high labor costs. Under the agreement, Delphi is required to pay GM wages of $27 an hour to most of its 24,000 UAW-represented workers. That's double the level of competing suppliers, according to Standard & Poor's Ratings Services. Delphi also had to pay full wages and benefits to 4,000 laid-off workers in jobs banks, which cost it $400 million each year. Delphi has a total of 30,000 U.S. hourly employees and 12,000 hourly retirees. About 6,000 hourly employees are represented by other unions, including the International Union of Electronic Workers/Communications Workers of America. Under a bankruptcy filing, Delphi could shift at least some of its pension liabilities to the federal government's Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. and could get the court to order lower wages and benefits for the UAW and higher costs for its parts. Under the spinoff agreement, GM also is liable for some of Delphi's pension obligations if Delphi is in bankruptcy. In a note to investors, Merrill Lynch analyst John Casesa said GM could be liable for $4.4 billion to $6.7 billion worth of pension and health care benefits. Delphi and GM have been tightlipped about the negotiations. But a letter sent from UAW leaders to union members in Kokomo, Ind., earlier this week said Delphi asked the UAW to accept wage cuts of more than 50 percent, to $10-$12 an hour, and eliminate the jobs bank. Delphi also called for a reduction in health care benefits and vacation time. Delphi also has been plagued by an accounting scandal that the FBI and the SEC are now investigating. Six people have resigned because of the investigation, including Delphi's former Chief Financial Officer Alan Dawes. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. bbb wrote: More problems looming over the USA. I wish I could make as much as those guys. Hell, I would be happy with just health insurance from the company. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (The concert hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: New Riders of The Purple Sage Mexicali: Booie what'ya think? Date: 8 Oct 2005 11:46:59 -0700 Burt wrote: > and..... > TONIGHT Friday October 7 > Joyous Lake > Woodstock NY > 845 679 8100 > http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=18709 ------------------------------ From: "walstib77" Subject: Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? Date: 8 Oct 2005 11:55:47 -0700 Dozin' at the Nick Tom Waits -- Bone Machine Johnny Guitar Watson Sacred works of Franz Schubert Bootsy Collins' "Bootsy's Rubber Band" Old & In The Way boots Local Color aud tapes Muse Joni Mitchell Stage and Light Jaco Pastorius--The Birthday Concert Neil Young -- Decade (was absolutely perfect for my 40th birthday a week and a half ago) ------------------------------ From: "Mike" Subject: Re: (NDC) anybody gamble (football) online? Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:56:16 -1000 "Shawn Lucas" wrote in message news:43475585.52011288@news.col.sbcglobal.net... > Just curious...I wonder if you care to share who you are taking in the > OSU-PSU affair? I think its going to be a close game (two good > defenses) and the Lions have a chance to pull off the upset, > especially since it is at Beaver Stadium. I grew up watching PSU and > itrs nice to see them winning some games again. With them and Notre > Dame winning again I've actually regained some interest in college > football. This game is a big one. I'm actually at OSU working on a > PhD, but I can't root for the bastards, except maybe against > Bitchigan. OSU players given the PSU team plenty of "bulletin board > material" but JoePa, being smart, banned his players from talking to > the press this week. I'm here in Columbus and since I don't have > cable I'm going out to a bar to watch the game, and I'm wearing my > colors. Send help if you all don't hear from me by midnight > tomorrow;-) > > Shawn > > PS. Sorry Bill, didn't mean to usurp the thread and I can't help with > the bets...although I do have an old college buddy who used to place > bets the old fasioned way, for his mom;-) I swore in Vegas I'm not a gambling man. I all ways had a desire to see the Nittany Lions play the University of Hawai`i here in a bowl game. But, that was before the wheel turned; PSU shot up and UHW faltered. Hope it's a dark bar you're visiting. My teams (NCAAF and NFL) are both 1-3 now. Perhaps I'll look into badminton or croquet... ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: New Riders of The Purple Sage Mexicali: Booie what'ya think? Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:58:53 -0700 "frndthdevl" wrote in message news:1128797219.233754.223620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Burt wrote: > >> and..... >> TONIGHT Friday October 7 >> Joyous Lake >> Woodstock NY >> 845 679 8100 >> > > > http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=18709 > I love it ... show from the night before being distributed world-wide the following day. Yep. R. ------------------------------ From: "walstib77" Subject: Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? Date: 8 Oct 2005 12:04:28 -0700 BILL_NY@webtv.net wrote: > George Harrison - All Things Must Pass > > Beatles - Revolver Dude, you have me wanting to pull out the vinyl when I get home. If only my turntable was hooked up. *sigh* One of my favorite Beatles LP's, and Harrison at his best. I also love "Living in the Material World." ------------------------------ From: "walstib77" Subject: Re: Rescuing Jesus (ndc) Date: 8 Oct 2005 12:08:53 -0700 Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > Rescuing Jesus > Bush & Co. have hijacked Jesus, using him as the poster child for their > callous worldview. It's time to rescue Christ from his kidnappers. > > By Alessandro Camon > > Oct. 7, 2005 | Harriet Miers, should she be confirmed to the Supreme Court, > will be the resident evangelical Christian. Untrue; Clarence Thomas currently holds that spot. ------------------------------ From: "Don Bean" Subject: Quake does what bush cant .... Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:10:23 -0400 Maybeee the big quake over there got Bin Laden.... ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:10:50 -0700 "ba ba booie" wrote in message news:9570-4347F260-597@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net... snip > Her kids turned out great and very well educated. Involved with music > and playing all knds of instruments. She told me that that area is > booming like crazy. It seems like a lot of the Californians are storming > into town and bringing their California ways. Even though that is > happening, it still sounds like a nice place to live. snip > It seems like having Californians invade a town/community and bringing > their ways/values into a town can alter the way of life in that town. > What's up with that? What other towns are like that, on the left coast > where Californians took over? For many, many years, California has been invaded by folks from out of state, and from out of country. We continue to get flooded with people. So we have been saying the same thing about folks from out of state for years. Plus, California is a huge state. I can start up in Northern California, drive south for twelve hours, and *still* be in California! If you do that in New Jersey, where will you wind up? We talk trash about people from within the state too! The folks from the rural areas view the urban folks with suspicion, and the folks from Northern California generally can't stand the folks from Southern California, especially Lost Angeles. Probably when she moved to Colorado from Pennsylvania, or wherever it was, the people in the town she moved to talked for a while about those weird people from the East. Then they got to know her. And like (or dislike) her for who she is, not for where she came from. Richard ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: Watchya Listenin' To Lately? Date: 8 Oct 2005 12:47:44 -0700 BILL_NY@webtv.net wrote: > Beatles - Revolver > > > Bill NOW yer talkin'!!!!! As avant-garde and hip as anybody EVER needs to be!!! Nahmeen Jeff?!?!? Rick ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: My 10-6-2005 New Riders of the Purple Sage experience. Date: 8 Oct 2005 12:55:28 -0700 Right on, Booie. I knew who ya meant, and I knew you knew, too. Just yanking that chain. Glad you got in and had a great time! Larry ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .