From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #487 Dead-Flames Digest #487, Volume #48 Tue, 4 Oct 05 11:00:01 PDT Contents: gdead ("bossgobbler") Re: Marshall Tucker Band Rules! ("Tim Ujin") Re: gdead (Ken Fortenberry) Re: gdead ("k sturm") Re: I tried to grow a beard Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("DGDevin") Re: Astronomy Picture of the Day Archive (NDC but pretty cosmic) (wyeknot) Madison Square Garden, summer '77 (NDC) ("Dylanstubs") Re: Janis Joplin - 35 years gone ("DGDevin") Re: Madison Square Garden, summer '77 (NDC) ("mjd") Re: Janis Joplin - 35 years gone ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: gdead (leftie) Re: Baseball playoffs: don't get me started! (NDC) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: gdead ("Dewey") Re: ebay Rolling Stones 2 Tix Charlottesville 10/6 Row A Field No Rsrv! NDC ("Schmoe") Re: gdead (Jeff) Re: Sweden's New Funeral Rite (Real Dead Content) ("Roxanne McDaniel") Re: NDC - Bush selects his own White House counsel for SC post??? ("Ray") Re: Madison Square Garden, summer '77 (NDC) (Kirk McElhearn) Re: Baseball playoffs: don't get me started! (NDC) (leftie) Re: Anyone else find The Grateful Dead painful to listen to? ("pbleers@hotmail.com") Re: Anyone else find The Grateful Dead painful to listen to? (leftie) Re: gdead (Peter_Wimsey) Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... ("Ray") Views from a Yoga Mat Vol. 1 ("Dave Kelly") Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... (brew ziggins) Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... (leftie) Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Views from a Yoga Mat Vol. 1 ("ck") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bossgobbler" Subject: gdead Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:37:56 -0400 The only thing worse than wading though tour scum to see a gig is wading though all the polical commentary in this so called Dead newsgroup. rec.music.gdead was soooo much better 15 years ago...Shut up and talk about the tunes...I don't remember Jerry running his mouth about politics endlessly. Go to "I hate Bush" or "I hate Republicans" or "Liberals ARE open minded, really". I'm sure they exist somewhere. ------------------------------ From: "Tim Ujin" Subject: Re: Marshall Tucker Band Rules! Date: 4 Oct 2005 08:40:24 -0700 I like/liked them quite a bit, saw them several times during their heyday. "Where We All Belong" is the album you want. If you look the band up on the AMG website, you get a picture in which one of them is wearing a Boston Bruins hockey jersey! What's up with that? They hailed from Spartanburg S.C. if I recall correctly. ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: gdead Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:45:23 GMT bossgobbler wrote: > > ...Shut up and talk > about the tunes... You first. I mean nobody is stopping you from talking about the tunes instead of whining about the state of the newsgroup. The only posts you control are your own and so far none of them have been about the tunes. And hey there mister, turn that frown upside down: http://www.thefrown.com/frowners/becomerepublican.swf -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "k sturm" Subject: Re: gdead Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:48:26 GMT "bossgobbler" wrote in message news:5eb8e3591cb69cd9996887ddf6cc295d@localhost.talkaboutthemusic.com... > The only thing worse than wading though tour scum to see a gig is wading > though all the polical commentary in this so called Dead newsgroup. > rec.music.gdead was soooo much better 15 years ago...Shut up and talk > about the tunes...I don't remember Jerry running his mouth about politics > endlessly. Go to "I hate Bush" or "I hate Republicans" or "Liberals ARE > open minded, really". I'm sure they exist somewhere. > Nobody is forcing you to read the political threads if you don't want to, you know. As for discussing nothing but GD music, that's ridiculous. This is a community much like any other. We talk about anything and everything here. Why would we go to another forum to discuss things when we can come here and discuss them with people we already know, and for the most part, like? If you want to "talk about the tunes" then stop complaining and start a discussion about them. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: 4 Oct 2005 15:56:21 GMT Spider Dawg wrote: > On 2005-10-02, Tom Beck wrote: >> Personally, I love the heat. But I shaved my neck >> and trimmed my beard constantly. Nothing quite like >> the special treat of of having your facial hair freeze >> into the zipper of your Parka, know what I mean? > > The sensation of nose hairs freezing is much worse than the beard > freezing IMO. Facial hair is a useful thermometer: mustache freezes it's > below +10F, nose hair freezes it's below +5F, nose hair freezes despite > face mask, it's below -5F, heart stops beating it's........ I couldn't agree more... my favorite is a blowing icy wind that not only freezes facial and nose hair but also freezes together... and as someone else living in SW Michigan, we have the perfect climate for all sorts of facial hair uncomfortability - freezing in winter, hot and humid in summer. -- Aaron ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:20:36 GMT "DG" wrote in message news:n8e3k19p9pjj6gcs9qf6alnqaglg1gm4dm@4ax.com... > So you doubt what I've written above? You eat concerts and enjoy > listening to food? Man does not live by bread alone. Just because something isn't vital to survival isn't a reason to tolerate corruption. Deceptive and sometimes illegal practices to raise ticket prices are common in the ticket industry, why shouldn't something be done about an issue that most people care about to some extent? Why should people who want to take their kid to a ball game have to go to some scumbag scalper and pay many times face value? Why should going to a concert have become an exercise in economics? How many people would have gone to see The Dead back in the 70s if "brokers" had all the tickets and were charging thirty bucks each? > At what point did the earth quit squeezing petroleum out of porous > rock? That isn't what you posted, you actually seemed to think oil was still being formed, your zeal for argument is rarely matched by your knowledge of the subject being discussed. ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Astronomy Picture of the Day Archive (NDC but pretty cosmic) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:23:16 -0400 volkfolk wrote: > The picture from yesterday is far more interesting IMO. It reminds me of the > Asteroid where the Mellenium Falcon hides from the Death Star in "Star Wars" > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap051003.html I don't recall the bulky, planet-like Death Star navigating any asteroid fields chasing down the Millenium Falcon? That sucker moved kinda slow, no? Matt ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Madison Square Garden, summer '77 (NDC) Date: 4 Oct 2005 09:25:54 -0700 Great poster of some great shows. What a summer! http://www.dimeadozen.org/attachments/62481/695578/msgscs7726zq.jpg ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Janis Joplin - 35 years gone Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:30:29 GMT "katrinka" wrote in message news:72747d8dadeb50ebcaa905604758ef0e@localhost.talkaboutthemusic.com... > (((Janis))) > > Still missed, after all these years. It might seem silly now, but at the time it felt like the leaders of our religion were being taken from us, Janis and Jimi and all the others, so much talent flushed down the toilet thanks to drugs. Didn't seem to stop many people from wanting to get wasted though.... ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: Madison Square Garden, summer '77 (NDC) Date: 4 Oct 2005 09:32:48 -0700 pretty neat... hey, I was at one of those Zep shows! don't recall which specific night, and long since lost the stub, but it was a great show nonetheless... ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Janis Joplin - 35 years gone Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:32:28 GMT You were one helluva woman Janis! Hope you're rockin' with the Heavenly Hell's Angels! ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: gdead Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:34:47 -0700 bossgobbler wrote: > The only thing worse than wading though tour scum to see a gig is wading > though all the polical commentary in this so called Dead newsgroup. > rec.music.gdead was soooo much better 15 years ago...Shut up and talk > about the tunes...I don't remember Jerry running his mouth about politics > endlessly. Go to "I hate Bush" or "I hate Republicans" or "Liberals ARE > open minded, really". I'm sure they exist somewhere. The exit door is down the hall to the left. ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Baseball playoffs: don't get me started! (NDC) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:34:07 GMT White Sox! White Sox! White Sox! ------------------------------ From: "Dewey" Subject: Re: gdead Date: 4 Oct 2005 09:37:34 -0700 Ken Fortenberry wrote: > bossgobbler wrote: > > > > ...Shut up and talk > > about the tunes... > > You first. I mean nobody is stopping you from talking about > the tunes instead of whining about the state of the newsgroup. > The only posts you control are your own and so far none of > them have been about the tunes. > > And hey there mister, turn that frown upside down: > > http://www.thefrown.com/frowners/becomerepublican.swf > AWESOME. NOW I AM A REPUBLICAN AND I LOVE IT. LIFE IS SO MUCH EASIER. ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: ebay Rolling Stones 2 Tix Charlottesville 10/6 Row A Field No Rsrv! NDC Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:38:38 -0400 foolproof@hotmail.com wrote: > Rolling Stones live, perhaps the > last time they will be in Charlottesville, With a little luck and with the stupid prices they charge, it will be the last time they will appear together anywhere. And a no reserve auction? Wow! ------------------------------ From: Jeff Subject: Re: gdead Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:23:38 -0600 bossgobbler wrote: > The only thing worse than wading though tour scum to see a gig is wading > though all the polical commentary in this so called Dead newsgroup. > rec.music.gdead was soooo much better 15 years ago...Shut up and talk > about the tunes...I don't remember Jerry running his mouth about politics > endlessly. Go to "I hate Bush" or "I hate Republicans" or "Liberals ARE > open minded, really". I'm sure they exist somewhere. Nor did Jerry run his mouth about those who did choose to discuss politics. But Jerry and the gang didn't speak with words all that much. Sure, they expressed some of their views, and did some charity gigs, but didn't most of the message they delivered come in their music? Embrace diversity, explore new things, accept others and respect their rights and views. And for the love of , don't take yourself too seriously, and have a little fun along the way, enjoying the ride. That's how they delivered the music, and how the happiest people I know live life. There's no difference between someone expressing a political view here and you whining about it. I may not wish to deal with either. But instead of whining about it, a judicious application of a killfile makes this a place more agreeable with my view of reality. ~Jeff ------------------------------ From: "Roxanne McDaniel" Subject: Re: Sweden's New Funeral Rite (Real Dead Content) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:47:13 GMT "The Iron Muffin" wrote in message ... Roxanne McDaniel wrote: > Does anyone have a will with their funeral planned out? > If so, what are your final plans? I want to be buried in the manner of the Egyptian pharaohs of old. Sadly, I haven't yet found anybody who is willing to be mummified and buried with me. Nor do I have vast stores of gold and jewels to be interred by my side for use in the afterlife. The whole pyramid thing is a bit problematic, as well... -- ************************************ Interesting! I want to do the bare minimum before cremation. And I want the wake at home. Especially if me or the old man should "buy the farm" before the kids are grown. If one of my kids should die before they are grown, I will prepare them for a family wake at home before cremation. Like birth, I think it's a sacred passage, and nothing to fear. ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: NDC - Bush selects his own White House counsel for SC post??? Date: 4 Oct 2005 09:53:40 -0700 marklaw wrote: > Look for this nominee to be a sacrificial lamb. After the senate > rejects her, it will be much more difficult for the senate to reject > the next nominee who will be much more conservative. Sort of a reverse > Robert Bork / Clarence Thomas. Which is exactly why I think she'll get confirmed - the Dems know that, barring any major surprises, she's about as good as their going to get from this adminstration. Ray ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Madison Square Garden, summer '77 (NDC) From: kirk@mcelhearn.com (Kirk McElhearn) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:14:26 +0200 Dylanstubs wrote: > Great poster of some great shows. What a summer! Definitely! I saw ELP and Yes that year. Were the Yes shows the ones with the round stage? I recall having bought seats for two or maybe all three shows, somewhere around 40th row. Then, when they announced the round stage in the center of the floor, you had to exchange your tickets - one night I had 1st row, and the other(s) I was like 3rd or 5th row. Very cool! MSG was a great place to see concerts... Kirk ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Baseball playoffs: don't get me started! (NDC) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:16:11 -0700 I will go out on a limb and say this: The Sox are totally going to win that game today! Not only that, the Sox will that whole series! ------------------------------ From: "pbleers@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: Anyone else find The Grateful Dead painful to listen to? Date: 4 Oct 2005 10:19:33 -0700 Even the worst show eclipses the drone of this group lately... pv43pv3p >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to leave and never come back. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Anyone else find The Grateful Dead painful to listen to? Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:20:06 -0700 pbleers@hotmail.com wrote: > Even the worst show eclipses the drone of this group lately... > > > pv43pv3p > > > > Feel free to leave and never come back. Seriously. ------------------------------ From: Peter_Wimsey Subject: Re: gdead Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:27:12 -0400 Jeff wrote: > Nor did Jerry run his mouth about those who did choose to discuss politics. > > But Jerry and the gang didn't speak with words all that much. > > ~Jeff And Jerry did talk about politics from time to time. Typically with a roundabout philosophy that he was noteworthy for, but occasionally explicitly - once (in 1988, I believe) he said that he doesn't vote because the lesser of two evils is still evil! N ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... Date: 4 Oct 2005 10:28:52 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > The Democrats asked that Bush consider nominating someone outside of the > usual suspects, someone who is not a judge. That's who he nominated. Reid recommended to Bush that Miers be considered, but it's not clear me that "The Democrats" asked that Bush nominate a non-judge. I'm not saying that isn't the case, or whether it's good or bad, but aside from Reid's recommendation and your declaration that Leahy recommended that a non-judge be nominated (which I also haven't read anywhere else - source?), I haven't read as much. Can you elaborate? Thanks. > She could be horrible, but no one really knows. She could be great. True. Though the fact that she's a longtime Bush loyalist who reportedly declared that he's the most brilliant man she'd ever met isn't promising - regardless of whether that's because she's a sycophant or because she really needs to read and get out more often (or both). And neither is the fact that Cheney made a call to the Rush Limbaugh show yesterday (thus also demonstrating that Rush is still a major player in Republican circles) and made the following declarations: CHENEY: I'm confidant that she has a conservative judicial philosophy that you would be comfortable with, Rush. I've worked closely with Harriet for five years. I've seen her and worked closely with her ... LIMBAUGH: [P]eople think they [Democrats] are ripe to be buried, Mr. Vice President. CHENEY: Well, we're working on it. You'll be proud of Harriet's record, Rush. Trust me. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Views from a Yoga Mat Vol. 1 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:32:05 GMT Just got back from "class"...Can ANYONE tell me where I can find this "Bickram" punk?....turn the HEAT down motherfucker!....and where the HELL were all the hot chicks?...this was a straight up sausage fest! Feel me. Goddamn! Matsyasana Sweetbac ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:35:34 -0400 Thus spake rayblee@hotmail.com... > And neither is the fact that Cheney made a call to the Rush Limbaugh > show yesterday (thus also demonstrating that Rush is still a major > player in Republican circles) and made the following declarations: > > CHENEY: I'm confidant that she has a conservative judicial philosophy > that you would be comfortable with, Rush. I've worked closely with > Harriet for five years. I've seen her and worked closely with her ... > > LIMBAUGH: [P]eople think they [Democrats] are ripe to be buried, Mr. > Vice President. > > CHENEY: Well, we're working on it. You'll be proud of Harriet's record, > Rush. Trust me. Dick Cheney saying to Rush Limbaugh, "Trust me (on this)" is the most frightening thing I've yet heard about Miers. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:44:46 -0700 brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake rayblee@hotmail.com... > > >>And neither is the fact that Cheney made a call to the Rush Limbaugh >>show yesterday (thus also demonstrating that Rush is still a major >>player in Republican circles) and made the following declarations: >> >>CHENEY: I'm confidant that she has a conservative judicial philosophy >>that you would be comfortable with, Rush. I've worked closely with >>Harriet for five years. I've seen her and worked closely with her ... >> >>LIMBAUGH: [P]eople think they [Democrats] are ripe to be buried, Mr. >>Vice President. >> >>CHENEY: Well, we're working on it. You'll be proud of Harriet's record, >>Rush. Trust me. > > > Dick Cheney saying to Rush Limbaugh, "Trust me (on this)" is the most > frightening thing I've yet heard about Miers. It's all I need to hear. Filibuster now! ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Bushie is a piece of shit... Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:46:01 -0700 "Ray" wrote in message news:1128446932.608723.271240@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >> The Democrats asked that Bush consider nominating someone outside of the >> usual suspects, someone who is not a judge. That's who he nominated. > Reid recommended to Bush that Miers be considered, but it's not clear > me that "The Democrats" asked that Bush nominate a non-judge. I'm not > saying that isn't the case, or whether it's good or bad, but aside from > Reid's recommendation and your declaration that Leahy recommended that > a non-judge be nominated (which I also haven't read anywhere else - > source?), I haven't read as much. Can you elaborate? Thanks. As usual, my source is C-Span. Leahy, Spector and a couple other senators were outside the White House after meeting with Bush about who he might nominate. Leahy said he once again brought up his long held idea that someone who was not a judge be nominated. Spector said he did the same. When asked Bush's reaction, Leahy said Bush smiled (smirked) but that was it. He said he didn't hold out much hope after getting that reaction, but he got what he asked for anyway. Leahy has been saying this for years in the Judiciary Commitee; that he wanted a president to nominate somebody other than a judge. >> She could be horrible, but no one really knows. She could be great. > True. Though the fact that she's a longtime Bush loyalist who > reportedly declared that he's the most brilliant man she'd ever met > isn't promising - regardless of whether that's because she's a > sycophant or because she really needs to read and get out more often > (or both). > > And neither is the fact that Cheney made a call to the Rush Limbaugh > show yesterday (thus also demonstrating that Rush is still a major > player in Republican circles) and made the following declarations: > > CHENEY: I'm confidant that she has a conservative judicial philosophy > that you would be comfortable with, Rush. I've worked closely with > Harriet for five years. I've seen her and worked closely with her ... > > LIMBAUGH: [P]eople think they [Democrats] are ripe to be buried, Mr. > Vice President. > > CHENEY: Well, we're working on it. You'll be proud of Harriet's record, > Rush. Trust me. Since Cheney can't be trusted as far as you can throw a pacemaker, I wouldn't be too thrilled if I was Limbaugh. The fact is nobody has any idea about this woman. The right is mightily pissed because there were so many obvious right wingers that could have been nominated. She even contributed money to Al Gore, Lloyd Bentsen, and the Democrat party in the 80's, something the extremists cannot abide. Then she contributed money to Republicans. Nothing is obvious about this woman. It all boils down to the hearings and what she says in response to questions. Its a free for all, an open process, with no one knowing how they're going to vote. You could have some Republicans voting against her, or all the Democrats voting against her, or most Democrats voting for her. The interest groups on both sides are in a frenzy because they have nothing to campaign about for or against. I like that all those lobbysists have effectively been sidelined, at least temporarily. For once the senators can decide based on what they see and hear from the nominee, without all the threats of money not being given, or more money being given, or TV ads or e-mail campaigns. They get to make up their own minds. They get to act independently and decide based on what they see as being for the good of the whole country. That's the way its supposed to be. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: 4 Oct 2005 10:46:49 -0700 DGDevin wrote: > "DG" wrote in message > > > So you doubt what I've written above? You eat concerts and enjoy > > listening to food? > > Man does not live by bread alone. Just because something isn't vital to > survival isn't a reason to tolerate corruption. Deceptive and sometimes > illegal practices to raise ticket prices are common in the ticket industry, > why shouldn't something be done about an issue that most people care about > to some extent? Yeah. This "point" is an absolute non-sequitor. It's OK to rip people off or run a con game as long as it involves a non-essential product or service?!?!? I don't get it. :/ Rick ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: Views from a Yoga Mat Vol. 1 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:49:10 -0400 "Dave Kelly" wrote in message news:p0z0f.1471$xD7.917@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > Just got back from "class"...Can ANYONE tell me > where I can find this "Bickram" punk?....turn the HEAT > down motherfucker!....and where the HELL were all > the hot chicks?...this was a straight up sausage fest! > Feel me. > Goddamn! > > Matsyasana Sweetbac > > Have a car Dave? Why not take a drive up the coast. Go for a swim up in Mendo.Camp out in a state park ,get it out of your system and if you're looking for chicks you need to go to the aerobics class don't worry 'bout the jiggling... ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .