From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #476 Dead-Flames Digest #476, Volume #48 Mon, 3 Oct 05 00:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Today's Strictly Bluegrass Festival ("band beyond description") Re: Billy Goat Tavern (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: free shows (JimK) Anyone else find The Grateful Dead painful to listen to? (ba ba booie) Re: AFC at the 1/4 pole... (Shawn Lucas) Why do they call it, breaking wind? (ba ba booie) Re: I tried to grow a beard ("Bill") findings: highly religious societies = highly disfunctional societies ("Bill") Re: I tried to grow a beard ("ck") OT: cd cleaning/repair gizmos? (dkhedmo) Re: I tried to grow a beard (DG) Re: I tried to grow a beard ("ck") Re: Punks in the Park....or my grass is blue? ("katrinka") Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? ("Carlisle") Re: Today's Strictly Bluegrass Festival ("katrinka") Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH ("Ray") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("Ray") Chavez offers oil sales to Haiti, poor U.S. communities (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: (OT) Webcams (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: Slipknot! (Seth Jackson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Today's Strictly Bluegrass Festival Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:33:14 +0900 wrote in message news:1128275696.382041.30550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Damn, I wanted to catch Rodney Crowell. And more. > Stuck at home on a fine, if mild, indian summer day. Working on busted > drain pipes and other assorted odious chores. > Glad you folks made it. Was it pretty crowded again? > Larry > I refer you to the Brett Meisner ("I don't hate Bluegrass. I saw the Outlaws in concert at least nine times...") thread... -- Peace, ~ Steve ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Billy Goat Tavern (NDC) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:40:35 +0900 "Bzl." wrote in message news:3qa7b9Fdqoh1U1@individual.net... > > "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message > news:3q6pqpFdb0d0U1@individual.net... > > Chee-borgah, chee-borgah, a taste of Chicago is on its way to DC... > > http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=580891 > > -- > > Peace, > > Steve > > > "Sam Sianis also said he isn't about to put a curse on anyone or anything in > Washington, as his uncle did on the Cubs when owner P.K. Wrigley would not > let his goat, who had a ticket, into the 1945 World Series _ coincidentally, > the last year the Cubs ever made it to the World Series." > > They better keep their baseball curses away from my Nats! > > That's why it's like a "theme park" version of the Billy Goat (a la Hard Rock Cafe), as the Chicago Tribune's Clarence Page says in the article...if it was "real," like the Michigan Ave. original in Chicago, they wouldn't allow Republicans... Word. -- Peace, ~ Steve ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: free shows Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:45:26 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:17:16 -0400, "Harry Bournazian" wrote: >First to e-mail me and tell me who was the first punter to be a 1st round >draft pick > >shows are in shn format. > >jgb > >2/04/94 >2/05/94 >2/06/94 > >Harry > I'll pass on the shows, but that would be Ray Guy, would it not? JimK ------------------------------ From: ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Anyone else find The Grateful Dead painful to listen to? Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:57:03 -0400 Anyone else find The Grateful Dead painful to listen to? Surprisingly I don't. Maybe when a Vince song comes on or when they had a bad nirte, but that is about it. There is still a large catalog of shows for one to go through. I don't think this picture is over yet? Some bands I am tired of listening to. One could listen only so long to them? I just pulled out a show, 9-4-91. It is a pretty good one. I think The Grateful Dead will forever be in my blood. The people that came with/to the shows, the way of living, the way of meeting the friends, the trail that the band has left behind, The way it has molded a certain style of music. Ya gotta love it! This is something that has stuck with me. I don't think it is a bad to have. I think it's what makes the world swing a little easier. I wonder what other people are doing these days to fill the need that The Grateful Dead did for me back then. There is nothing like those Grateful Dead concerts! Wasn't it about tour time right about now? Freakin string of shows @ The Garden in NYC and Boston and in Phila. WOAH, were the daze!!! My annual missing The Grateful Dead post : ) booie........ .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (The concert hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: slucas_2@ya_nospam_hoo.com (Shawn Lucas) Subject: Re: AFC at the 1/4 pole... Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:05:47 GMT On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:56:30 -0500, "Steve Terry" wrote: > >"Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote in message > >>> -Colts have a defense to go with their offense now. They are the team to >>> beat. >> >> Until they have to play outside in cold weather, when they will fold just >> like they always do. > >If they get homefield in the playoffs your point is moot. > I think the Steelers may fit into all of this AFC business somehow too. Hell they are 2 - 1 and the Bus hasn't even been outta that garage yet and the Duce is just getting into things. When those two are back on the field along with Willie Parker who is a nice change of pace and has some legit skills, it is going to be tough coming into Heinz fileld in November and December when its cold and the need for a strong running game is intensified. Oh and in the NFC...gottal love the Eagles. They spotted KC 17 points today and still blew the Chiefs out. Once the second half got underway there was little doubt that the Birds were heading home with another win. I'd love to see a Keystone state superbowl! Shawn ------------------------------ From: ba_ba_b00ie@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Why do they call it, breaking wind? Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:03:20 -0400 Why do they call it, breaking wind? Just wondering??? booie...... .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (The concert hotwire) http://www.pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:41:23 GMT "Steve Terry" wrote in message news:dhplfq$2gu$1@news.iquest.net... > > "ck" wrote in message: > > > heres' my California Driver's license pic from 1993; > > http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/Photo_2004_10_5_19_58_18_edited.jpg > > Charles Manson? No no. It's John Walker Lindh! ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: findings: highly religious societies = highly disfunctional societies Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:51:50 GMT http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1001-06.htm Published on Saturday, October 1, 2005 by the Los Angeles Times The Dark Side of Faith by Rosa Brooks It's official: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing. This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of "popular religiosity" and various "quantifiable societal health" indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States. Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality. He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. - which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) - also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on "values." Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to "values," if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust. Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were "red" in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same. Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around. Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of "faith-based" social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs. We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational. This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist. The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being? Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent. My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful. To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry. And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous. © Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:57:31 -0400 "Bill" wrote in message news:DL10f.135$we3.110@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > news:dhplfq$2gu$1@news.iquest.net... > > > > "ck" wrote in message: > > > > > heres' my California Driver's license pic from 1993; > > > http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/Photo_2004_10_5_19_58_18_edited.jpg > > > > Charles Manson? > > No no. It's John Walker Lindh! > > > please, going on Dead tour for a couple of years was as close i got to cult indoctrination.The only gun i've used was when i'd shotgun a doobie and i like to shower.I've never sent a christmas card to Johnny Walker. ------------------------------ From: dkhedmo Subject: OT: cd cleaning/repair gizmos? Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:05:55 GMT Anyone have experience or advice about those cd cleaning and scratch repair machines? Do they work? Are they worth to money? They seem to run $12-$25, looking at them on Amazon, in Circuit City, etc. Any particular one to recommend? With two little kids in the house and not nearly enough high shelves to put things on, my (mostly commercial, some burned) cds are taking a beating lately. Thanks for any info, Karen ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:45:31 -0700 ck wrote: > >Bill wrote > >> >>Steve Terry wrote >> >> > >> > ck wrote >> > >> > > heres' my California Driver's license pic from 1993; >> > > http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/Photo_2004_10_5_19_58_18_edited.jpg >> > >> > Charles Manson? >> >> No no. It's John Walker Lindh! >> >> >> > > please, going on Dead tour for a couple of years was as close i got to cult >indoctrination.The only gun i've used was when i'd shotgun a doobie and i >like to shower.I've never sent a christmas card to Johnny Walker. I'd like to know how you lived in a PO Box. ------------------------------ From: "ck" Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:01:15 -0400 "DG" wrote in message news:upd1k19rnomaqn68u84fa9ba04qpsv379d@4ax.com... > ck wrote: > > > >Bill wrote > > > >> > >>Steve Terry wrote > >> > >> > > >> > ck wrote > >> > > >> > > heres' my California Driver's license pic from 1993; > >> > > http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/Photo_2004_10_5_19_58_18_edited.jpg > >> > > >> > Charles Manson? > >> > >> No no. It's John Walker Lindh! > >> > >> > >> > > > > please, going on Dead tour for a couple of years was as close i got to cult > >indoctrination.The only gun i've used was when i'd shotgun a doobie and i > >like to shower.I've never sent a christmas card to Johnny Walker. > > > I'd like to know how you lived in a PO Box. > > Actually i lived here; http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/From%20the%20drying%20roof.jpg which is located just out of view in this picture where you see the winding road reappear http://members.roadfly.org/jehu/bridges3.jpg but it was a gold mining mill site on hwy 49 and had no address so the DMV accpeted that PO box number.funny story about Coulterville whehere the PO was which is about ten miles north on 49 from the Millsite on the Merced, Jay Lenno had the graduating class from 1994 or thereabout on his show. It consisted IIRC of 4 students. http://www.yosemitegold.com/coulterville/ ------------------------------ From: "katrinka" Subject: Re: Punks in the Park....or my grass is blue? Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:13:44 -0400 D'you mean that WAS Exene? I wondered where the heck they found a chick singer who sounded so much like her. (Similarly, I didn't realize that was DAVE ALVIN until the set was over, either.) Man, those Nitters sure were LOUD!!! katrinka ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? Date: 2 Oct 2005 22:16:47 -0700 Effty wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > There's nothing post-Jerry that I care to continue listening to..Not > > that I wouldn't still see and enjoy Ratdog or Phil & Friends. But > > really, any Grateful Dead magic that was left died about 10 years ago. > > Thoughts? > > Carrie > > I went to the Dead family reunion at Alpine Valley 2002-08-03&04, and > that seemed nicely magical. I met lots of really nice people from all > over the country, and came home with lots of funny stories. There was > even a rainbow! Maybe it was the fungus, but I had a good time. The > music was great too! Robert Hunter was an especially nice treat. > Otherwise post-Garcia is just good music with tiny little bits of > magic. The family reunion was great though! > > -Effty I should say that catching Phil and Friends kick off the Here Comes Sunshine Tour Spring 2001 with my nephew was pretty magical. Sure I was in good spirits and the music pleasantly suprised me. Let the good times roll- Carrie ------------------------------ From: "katrinka" Subject: Re: Today's Strictly Bluegrass Festival Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:24:00 -0400 Corky writes: > Jah bless Warren Hellman. I got to see Warren Hellman pickin' banjo with Poor Man's Whiskey. The band came out in striped outfits, dressed as convicts, and Warren was dressed as the constable with a big billy club. At the end of the show, the "convicts" escaped, with Warren chasing after them calling for "security." That was fun. And today, first act at the banjo stage was the Waybacks with Daryl Anger sitting in on violin. For their last song, they slowed it way down and shortly there were the unmistakeable strains of Dark Star coming from the fiddle. Very haunting. I was wondering how the heck they were going to do Dark Star as a bluegrass tune, when the musicians suddenly transitioned into a wild and crazy breakdown, and one of the hottest Cumberland Blues I've heard any band play in many a year. Bob Weir is going to guest with the Waybacks at next year's Merle Fest. Highly recommended, with or without Weir. katrinka ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: 2 Oct 2005 22:40:17 -0700 Hey JC, I wasn't able to change my plans and didn't make it to the show - did you? If so, how was it? Ray ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: 2 Oct 2005 23:01:08 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > "Ray" wrote: > > 2) Contrary to popular belief, Clinton's prosecutors never definitely > > proved that Clinton committed perjury in any event. Here are the > > details: > > > > ------------------------------------- > > > > What a bunch of bullshit. Without debating whether or not the > Clinton/Lewinski affair was an impeachable offence, would your wife, > girlfriend or SO buy this complete pile of doubletalking BS if you were > caught doing the same thing with somebody? > > I can tell you that if I ever tried to pass this BS off to Jane, I would > be living in the VW bus somewhere along the Merrimack River The point isn't whether Clinton avoided committing perjury with "doubletalking BS" that my girlfriend or your wife would buy if were caught doing the same thing or not. The point is that Clinton avoided committing perjury. HTH, Ray ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Chavez offers oil sales to Haiti, poor U.S. communities (NDC) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:22:31 +0900 It's likely propaganda, but the idea of usurping/bypassing Bush's oil cronies is appealing... ======= BC-LA-GEN--Venezuela-Cha 10-02 0444 Ve-Venezuela's Chavez offers help through oil sales to Haiti, poor U.S. communities CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - President Hugo Chavez on Sunday offered to sell fuel under special terms to Haiti and poor U.S. communities, saying people in the two countries could use Venezuela's help to cope with high oil prices. In his weekly radio and television show, Chavez said his country would help Haiti through his Petrocaribe initiative, under which Venezuela sells fuel directly to 13 Caribbean countries with low-interest financing and deferred payment. Chavez also said Venezuela's Citgo Petroleum Corp. was willing to provide oil to ``poor'' communities in Chicago and New York. He did not specify at what price, but claimed that ``we could get a pilot project going soon'' in Chicago and New York. He said Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, whose military leads a U.N. peacekeeping force in Haiti, had asked him to provide aid to the Caribbean country. ``We're going to give a hand to the people of Haiti,'' said Chavez, again without giving specifics of the offer. A fierce critic of the U.S. government, Chavez has blamed Washington for the ouster of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide last year amid a bloody rebellion, an accusation U.S. officials deny. A U.S.-backed interim government has been in charge pending Nov. 20 elections. ``Regardless of what happened there, it's a nation dealing with... a lot of misery,'' Chavez said. ``There are many hospitals that don't have electricity, many poor families.'' The president of the world's fifth largest oil exporter, Chavez is a close ally of Cuban President Fidel Castro. The United States remains the top buyer of Venezuelan oil despite its frequent disputes with Chavez. ``We don't care that the government of that country (U.S.)... threatens u s,'' Chavez said. ``What matters to us is that there in Bronx, we saw it, there are many poor people.'' He claimed that ``there are people who die in the winter'' without adequate heating. Chavez also said he agreed with Chilean President Ricardo Lagos at a summit Friday to include Chile in a region-wide project to provide fuel under the preferential terms. Critics accuse Chavez of taking advantage of a tight oil market to buy political alliances. He says his oil deals are aimed at integrating the region and offering a socialist alternative to U.S.-style free trade. ``By helping everyone else, we're helping ourselves,'' Chavez said. ``I'm not giving away anything. We're just applying principles that are different from capitalism.'' AP-NY-10-02-05 1824EDT ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Webcams (NDC) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:24:31 +0900 wrote in message news:1128285513.884228.23230@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Schmoe wrote: > > Can anyone recommend brand/model of webcams? My nieces in college use these > > things to see each other and their parents using instant messaging video > > (AIM). I thought it might be a neat way to see the wife/kids when I travel > > for work. > > Yea. Right. We know what your "nieces" in "college" use these for. > BTW, got a link? > nudge, nudge, wink, wink... uh, huh, uh huh...he said "nieces..." what are they wearing right about now...? -- Peace, ~ Steve ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: Slipknot! Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:58:44 GMT On 1 Oct 2005 08:49:46 -0700, "Jerry Lobrowski" wrote: >Are >there any Slipknot fans here? Sure, check out the version from 4/17/84 Niagara Falls! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .