From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #472 Dead-Flames Digest #472, Volume #48 Sun, 2 Oct 05 11:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (Tom Beck) Re: Today's Strictly Bluegrass Festival ("Corky") Re: No Direction Home (band beyond description) Re: chantal up for adoption,limo busines is fycked up ("Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("Richard Morris") Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("Jerry Lobrowski") Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") ISO: P&F BOS 12-1-05 section 2 ticket ("Nick's Picks") Re: Those bloodthirsty Democrats ... (band beyond description) Re: essential AUD recordings... (band beyond description) Re: essential AUD recordings... (band beyond description) Re: I tried to grow a beard ("k sturm") Re: Marshall Tucker Band Rules! (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (DG) Re: One man takes on the scalpers (DG) Re: Republican's top lobbyist hires Mob to kill business foe (DG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:42:32 -0500 volkfolk wrote: > "JimK" wrote in message > news:92hoj15bu8k7ojqhijj4nmqafrfmi8fm43@4ax.com... > > >>Why should we talk about prior corrupt Democrats when the issue today >>is Tom Delay? > > > Because it's fun :^) > > Scot > Oh yeah, suck me silly! They lie. They all lie. You just 'gotta choose which liars most closely represent your own views. Learn to live with it, but never learn to love it. Tom ------------------------------ From: "Corky" Subject: Re: Today's Strictly Bluegrass Festival Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:38:31 GMT My son and I got into the park just in time to catch Joan Baez's fine set. She sang a good version of Jack-A-Roe that I thought she said that she had recorded with the Grateful Dead (huh?) We then heard partial sets of the Del McCourey Band, Rodney Crowell (these guys kicked ass), Doc Watson and the Knitters. Gillian Welch and her husband David Rawlings are my favorites. Their set was excellent, highlighted by David singing Cindy Lauper's Girls Just Want To Have Fun (it was great, honest) and Gillian closing out the show with White Rabbit. This festival is getting bigger every year. Jah bless Warren Hellman. Corky ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: No Direction Home Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:40:38 +0900 On 2005-09-30 06:04:29 +0900, brew ziggins said: > Thus spake wyeknot108@oohay.com... >> brew ziggins wrote: > >>> I've just lost track of which of the Marks that post under various >>> screen names are trolls and which not. >> >> Which therefore disqualifies you from dimissing vast volumes of Dylan's >> catalog. > > I'm really not sure why ignoring most of the idiotic flame wars on this > group disqualifies me from having an opinion about Bob Dylan I grant you that Dylan is cyclical, but 1966 as a quality benchmark is going back a little too far for me...he really did great stuff, in terms of strength of material and musical chops (live especially) in recent years when Charlie Sexton and Larry Campbell were part of the quartet. And there were nice little cycles at other times, too (1975 and 1978 tours come to mind, and I'm sure others could articulate other points in Dylan's career, without being *too* fanboy about it). -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Walter Constantin Gogu Costica Brincoveanu Mitty" Crossposted-To: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s,rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: chantal up for adoption,limo busines is fycked up Date: 2 Oct 2005 09:41:55 -0700 Nasty bitch ! *LOL GOGU!!!!!!! SAY CHEESE YOU NASTY BITCH !!!!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:47:12 -0700 "Tom Beck" wrote in message news:43400C60.7010403@pclink.com... > volkfolk wrote: >> "Ray" wrote in message >> news:1128034828.093523.253270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >>>king88uy7 wrote: >>> >>>>Richard Morris >>>> >>>>>You don't want your wife to find out, so you lie about it. > > > To borrow from another thread, does the same > standard hold true if you buy a $4K guitar? > > > >>>>Again, I don't think it works to have the person under oath pick and >>>>choose when to tell the truth.... I think perjury punishments make >>>>sense. >>> >>>I agree. 2 points however: >>> >>>1) Lying about or obfuscating about personal mutually-consensual sexual >>>relations -- even under oath -- IMO does not rise to the level of "high >>>crimes and misdemeanors" that warrant the impeachment of a president. > > > I would simply have refused to answer such > questions on the grounds that they were my > own private business. Just let me see "congress" > indict me for contempt under such conditions. > Even those lying, two faced pricks wouldn't have > had the gall to do that. But think about both the legal and political consequences. Legally, you are a sitting president that has just refused to answer question put to you by (as I recall) a grand jury. It wouldn't be congress indicting you for contempt in those circumstances ... and all of a sudden you have a constitutional crisis looming. Politically, you are screwed if you don't answer. Refusing to answer the question, "didja have sex with that woman" is the same as saying, "yep". Clinton was/is generally politically astute ... but to allowing himself to get into this situation in the first place was really, really unfortunate. When folks are shooting at you, it is dumb to stick your head up. In my opinion there is a character flaw there. Anyhow ... that was my point earlier ... you may *think* it is your private business, but the law does not allow that level of privacy. R. ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Lobrowski" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: 2 Oct 2005 09:49:37 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > > I am a probably one of the most anti government people here. I consider > myself to be a fairly hard core libertarian, Bullshit. >and definitely don't believe in > the concept of frivolous lawsuits, but I think that this is one case where > there should be some consistency. If laws are being enforced unequally, then > that is clearly an unjust (and unconstitutional) law that either needs to be > enforced or changed. As it stands right now, I think it is a corrupt system > that needs to be fixed. Or you can learn the system and work it to your advantage. Or maybe get a business license if you want to sell an extra ticket on the street. It may not be inconsistent if the city of Mansfield, under lobbying by the venue, has outlawed any ticket sales within the city limits. Its why these small town suburban venues or a major pain in the ass but its easy as hell to get away with it in a major city. BTW I scored a very cheap ticket to a "sold out" event at a major venue last night. > > I can tell you that as someone who has waited in line at a venue and on line > to try and get a ticket to a big show, and been shut out after a very short > period of time,.I feel very cheated by a system that is obviously rigged > against the consumer. > But its not necessarily rigged in favor of the scalpers. Lots of those tickets never go to the general public to begin with. They go to season ticket holders and corporate interests. The venue may hold 15,000 but there may not necessarily be 15,000 made available to the general public. > The system is also cheating the artist too, since the the scalpers are > taking product off the market and (illegally) inflating the price. > Ever walk into a ticket broker office across the street from a venue an hour before showtime and ask for the best ticket available for $20? I have. At the last minute the market still sets the prices. > It is irrelevant if you are talking about a luxury item or not, consumers > deserve protection against unscrupulous business practices, and artists > deserve to have their tickets reach their fans with out some racket that is > adding an artificial cost to the price of their ticket > Is it adding an artificial cost to the ticket when a band charges $200 yet there are 5,000 empty seats in the venue that havent been sold, and the street value plummets to pocket change? If that ticket isnt really worth $200 then to me its an artificial inflation. > I don't understand why you would defend this practice,.unless you think it > is ok to lie, cheat and steal, because that is what the business amounts > too. > Maybe we need a government agency in charge of ticket distribution. A cabinet level agency if necessary. All advertising or Ticketmaster notifications MUST tell you exactly how many seats will be made available to the general public and where those seats are located. Tickets must be sold in the order of best available by price. None of these Ticketmaster tricks that move sales to the back of the venue in order to create urgency of pending immediete sellout. And why stop at venues and brokers when fans wanting to see these shows are part of the problem? If Phil Lesh is playing 2 sold out nights at the Beacon, why should you be allowed to go to both shows if I have yet to get a ticket for even 1? And if you are a lucky enough to score a front row Aerosmith ticket then you cannot be allowed to sit in the front row at another concert until everybody who wants to sit in the front row gets that chance. Lets make this system fair for EVERYBODY. ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:55:20 -0700 "Spider Dawg" wrote in message news:slrndjvqnn.a12.Spidergawdnospam@linux.site... > On 2005-10-02, Everybody's Gonna Be Happy > wrote: >> >> wrote in message >> news:1128220457.151043.157780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>> you know that song? >>> >>> I've heard it a thousand times on the radio and if it's not Bob Dylan >>> singing, I'll eat my proverbial hat. I was thinking I don't know what >>> ablum it's on so I went to Bobdylan.com and couldn't find the song >>> there. then googled it and found it is written by "Stealers Wheel" >>> which consists of Joe Egan & Gerry Rafferty. >>> >>> Someone tell me what's up. Isn't that dylan? What album is it on? I >>> also saw something about "Reservoir Dogs" on the google... >> >> As you may have already figured out, its two voices, produced by Lieber >> and >> Stoller to sound like Dylan, sort of. > > I've always thought it sounded more like the Beatles' "Get Back". > >> One of those voices would later plague the radio world with a horrible >> little ditty called Baker Street. > The vocals aren't *too* bad, but that sax is annoying as hell. That friggin opening lick, repeated 38263752564321 times during the song, totally ruined many a road trip in which I did not have control of the radio........... All those trips can be summed up thusly: Baker Street The Night Chicago Died Alone Again Naturally All By Myself Seasons in the Sun At least I loved the last one.............. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:56:42 -0700 "mjd" wrote in message news:1128264410.175984.193500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > really??? i've never thought that sounded anything like him - I don't > get this one... Nasal twang, long off beat phrasing, mumbling. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: ISO: P&F BOS 12-1-05 section 2 ticket Date: 2 Oct 2005 10:00:16 -0700 looking to score a good taping seat. lmk. will provide copies..etc etc. ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Those bloodthirsty Democrats ... Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:02:23 +0900 On 2005-10-02 09:34:23 +0900, "Richard Morris" said: > From http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jeserich.php?articleid=6094 : > > you mean those bloodthirsty Republicans: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/100105D.shtml -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:12:09 +0900 On 2005-09-30 09:54:00 +0900, diethylether@gmail.com said: > Disclaimers up front - I generally prefer SBDs to AUDs and have a > marked preference for '60's & '70's GD vs. '80's & '90's GD. > > For AUDs that are better than the SBDs of the same show, look to the > FOB's of the MSG Sept. '90 shows, imo. Others that come to mind are > Jeff Silberman's 10.21.83, or Rango Keshavan's recordings of the Greek > '83 shows & 10.10.82. > > MJ Good choices; I would add 9/10/1983 and 9/11/1983 Santa Fe (desert-dry and punchy). -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:12:54 +0900 Oh yeah, 10/9/82 ain't bad either... -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: "k sturm" Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:12:55 GMT "The Lord of Eltingville" wrote in message news:dhoqv00101@news3.newsguy.com... > > Naked chins are for women and little boys (or teenagers who go to > private high schools that have rules against facial hair)... Exactly right. Besides, I've never known a man who didn't look better with a beard than he does without it. ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Re: Marshall Tucker Band Rules! Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:01:51 -0400 Brett wrote: > > I have so many great memories about Tucker and their music. > > Did anyone else here have the pleasure of seeing Marshall Tucker live > in concert? http://tinyurl.com/crfl3 ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:41:05 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > >DG wrote > >> >> We are talking about a luxury item. It's not like people need a show >> to survive. >> >> Wasting the court's time with this type of crap is horrible. > >I am a probably one of the most anti government people here. I consider >myself to be a fairly hard core libertarian, and definitely don't believe in >the concept of frivolous lawsuits, but I think that this is one case where >there should be some consistency. If laws are being enforced unequally, then >that is clearly an unjust (and unconstitutional) law that either needs to be >enforced or changed. As it stands right now, I think it is a corrupt system >that needs to be fixed. Then talk to the DA about it... Write your paper. Contact government officials. >I can tell you that as someone who has waited in line at a venue and on line >to try and get a ticket to a big show, and been shut out after a very short >period of time,.I feel very cheated by a system that is obviously rigged >against the consumer. Then don't be a part of it. >The system is also cheating the artist too, since the the scalpers are >taking product off the market and (illegally) inflating the price. The only way the price gets inflated is if they get a buyer. It's called fair market value. >It is irrelevant if you are talking about a luxury item or not, consumers >deserve protection against unscrupulous business practices, and artists >deserve to have their tickets reach their fans with out some racket that is >adding an artificial cost to the price of their ticket The artist could do this but many choose not to. >I don't understand why you would defend this practice,.unless you think it >is ok to lie, cheat and steal, because that is what the business amounts >too. What is a lie about two people agreeing on a concert ticket price? What is a cheat about two people agreeing on a concert ticket price? Where is stealing if two people agreeing on a concert ticket price? ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:53:51 -0700 Jerry Lobrowski wrote: > >volkfolk wrote: >> >> I am a probably one of the most anti government people here. I consider >> myself to be a fairly hard core libertarian, > >Bullshit. > > >>and definitely don't believe in >> the concept of frivolous lawsuits, but I think that this is one case where >> there should be some consistency. If laws are being enforced unequally, then >> that is clearly an unjust (and unconstitutional) law that either needs to be >> enforced or changed. As it stands right now, I think it is a corrupt system >> that needs to be fixed. > >Or you can learn the system and work it to your advantage. Or maybe get >a business license if you want to sell an extra ticket on the street. >It may not be inconsistent if the city of Mansfield, under lobbying by >the venue, has outlawed any ticket sales within the city limits. Its >why these small town suburban venues or a major pain in the ass but its >easy as hell to get away with it in a major city. BTW I scored a very >cheap ticket to a "sold out" event at a major venue last night. I have been going to local gigs only. Best show I saw this year cost $20. >> I can tell you that as someone who has waited in line at a venue and on line >> to try and get a ticket to a big show, and been shut out after a very short >> period of time,.I feel very cheated by a system that is obviously rigged >> against the consumer. >> > >But its not necessarily rigged in favor of the scalpers. Lots of those >tickets never go to the general public to begin with. They go to season >ticket holders and corporate interests. The venue may hold 15,000 but >there may not necessarily be 15,000 made available to the general >public. Not suprisingly, those with the money/acces get the good tickets... >> The system is also cheating the artist too, since the the scalpers are >> taking product off the market and (illegally) inflating the price. >> > >Ever walk into a ticket broker office across the street from a venue an >hour before showtime and ask for the best ticket available for $20? I >have. At the last minute the market still sets the prices. > > >> It is irrelevant if you are talking about a luxury item or not, consumers >> deserve protection against unscrupulous business practices, and artists >> deserve to have their tickets reach their fans with out some racket that is >> adding an artificial cost to the price of their ticket >> > >Is it adding an artificial cost to the ticket when a band charges $200 >yet there are 5,000 empty seats in the venue that havent been sold, and >the street value plummets to pocket change? If that ticket isnt really >worth $200 then to me its an artificial inflation. $200 would be the asking price or "ask". The offered amount is bid. The scalpers are the "market makers". It's like the options market... >> I don't understand why you would defend this practice,.unless you think it >> is ok to lie, cheat and steal, because that is what the business amounts >> too. >> > >Maybe we need a government agency in charge of ticket distribution. A >cabinet level agency if necessary. All advertising or Ticketmaster >notifications MUST tell you exactly how many seats will be made >available to the general public and where those seats are located. >Tickets must be sold in the order of best available by price. None of >these Ticketmaster tricks that move sales to the back of the venue in >order to create urgency of pending immediete sellout. The current big government politicians (bushy) would love it. I'm sure tejas would get a huge cut. >And why stop at venues and brokers when fans wanting to see these shows >are part of the problem? > >If Phil Lesh is playing 2 sold out nights at the Beacon, why should you >be allowed to go to both shows if I have yet to get a ticket for even >1? And if you are a lucky enough to score a front row Aerosmith ticket >then you cannot be allowed to sit in the front row at another concert >until everybody who wants to sit in the front row gets that chance. >Lets make this system fair for EVERYBODY. Which leads us back to chasing fairy tales... ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: Republican's top lobbyist hires Mob to kill business foe Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:55:48 -0700 Bill wrote: > >It appears the Republican Party is not only corrupt and irresponsible by >running up massive budget deficits by starting an idiotic war that has >killed thousands of Americans while giving huge tax cuts to >multi-millionaires. It appears now there biggest corporate lobbyists are >involved in mob killings. > >You read the article below and you wonder how Republicans in congress win >elections. Perhaps they aren't winning elections - perhap the >Republican-aligned voting machine companies (Diebold, ES&S) are "winning" >them for the Republicans. > >Do America and the world a favor and work hard to defeat any Republican >presently in congress you can (and don't let machines from Diebold and ES&S >anywhere close to your local elections). > >Bill > >------- > >http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/100105D.shtml > >The GOP's Spreading Plague It's information like this that makes me believe that they don't want to catch the poison envelope senders... ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .