From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #468 Dead-Flames Digest #468, Volume #48 Sun, 2 Oct 05 00:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Those bloodthirsty Democrats ... ("Richard Morris") Re: Comes a Time Benefit - NoB NoP ("Steve Terry") Re: chantal up for adoption,limo busines is fycked up ("RomanII") Re: Re: Re: New Garcia Plays Dylan CD! (Weathership Tango Delta) Re: What is a good unplugged video to get? (BILL_NY@webtv.net) Re: I tried to grow a beard ("seraphim") question about "Stuck in the middle with you" (garybeck@adelphia.net) THE LEWINSKY AND KACZYNSKI LIMERICK [NDC] ("Jerry's Kids") Gentlemen Start Your Engines ("Jerry's Kids") anyone have Saturday 12/10 Phil tix? ("nugster420") Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" (garybeck@adelphia.net) Re: I tried to grow a beard ("starkers") Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" (garybeck@adelphia.net) Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: I tried to grow a beard (Tom Beck) Re: I tried to grow a beard (Tom Beck) Re: I tried to grow a beard (Tom Beck) Re: Those bloodthirsty Democrats ... (joker4153@comcast.net) Republican's top lobbyist hires Mob to kill business foe ("Bill") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Those bloodthirsty Democrats ... Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:41:40 -0700 "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote in message news:SJG%e.899$aB1.5756@eagle.america.net... > > "Richard Morris" wrote in message > news:QKmdnThlP5OMtqLeRVn-1w@comcast.com... >> From http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jeserich.php?articleid=6094 : >> >> The House of Representatives voted down a measure, by a 128 to 300 vote, >> that called on President Bush to devise a plan for a withdrawal from >> Iraq. It came in the form of an amendment to the $491 billion budget for >> the Pentagon that was passed on Wednesday night. >> >> But the withdrawal amendment marks the first time that Congress has >> officially voted and debated legislation that deals with a withdrawal. >> >> "No, it won't pass today, but it will give us a chance to talk about it," >> said Representative Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), the sponsor of the >> amendment. "It's an opportunity for members of Congress who are >> frustrated that our troops are being killed for a war that wasn't >> necessary in the first place and that there is no plan in sight to bring >> them home." >> >> Despite the overwhelming defeat, about two-thirds of Democrats voted for >> it ...... >> >> From http://www.pdamerica.org/petition/iraq-exit-petition.php : >> >> We the undersigned join grassroots Democrats from California to Vermont >> in calling for an end to the U.S. occupation of Iraq. We ask you to join >> us in our demand that the troops be brought home. We support efforts to >> repair the damage the war has inflicted on Iraq, but believe that the >> occupation is causing further damage, encouraging violence, hardening >> divisions, and failing to train or prepare Iraqis for self-governance. >> We believe the United States can best help Iraq by supporting reparation >> efforts financially, rather than continuing to spend greater sums of >> money on an occupation that is aggravating the situation and making all >> of us less safe. >> >> On the other hand, from http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=9200 >> : >> >> AGAINST SUPREME Court nominee John Roberts. For the war in Iraq. How long >> can Democrats like Hillary Clinton walk that political line? >> >> Fearful of the peacenik label, Democrats are still reluctant to challenge >> President Bush on Iraq, no matter how ugly the news from Baghdad. >> Opposing Roberts is much easier. It shows that when it comes to social >> issues like abortion, left-leaning interest groups still hold sway with >> Democrats who would be president. >> >> The antiwar left is a different story. It's the third rail Democrats fear >> to touch. The junior senator from New York also has the ''woman problem." >> No female presidential candidate wants to sound like antiwar mom Cindy >> Sheehan. >> >> ************************ >> >> It is obvious from reading the above, that Democrats are monolithic in >> their support of the war in Iraq. Warmongers! ############# > > > This amendment called on "the president" to devise a "plan" for > withdrawing from Iraq. In other words, it does nothing but ask George > Bush to write something up. It still only got two thirds of the Democrat > votes. > > Considering that Woolsey has only 33 co-sponsors for her real amendment, > the one that calls for an immediate withdrawal of US troops, the Dems are > clearly still afraid of the political repercussions. Of course some are--you bet. But less so than yesterday, and perhaps more so than tomorrow. As one of the pundits put it, "The Bush Admin. can declare victory and leave. The Dems can only declare defeat and urge withdrawal." Not a good place to be, politically. Particularly when you don't have the votes to do much. But ... the point of the above is that 1) there is much more likely to be a variety of opinion about what to do in the dem party than in the republican party; and 2) a movement for peace is going to come from the left, including the dems, not from the right. And it is going to take a push on those in Congress who are recalcitrant. Continue to turn the crank about who voted for what two years ago is ... turning the crank! My recollection is that it took about five years for the average Joe in this country to come to the conclusion that Vietnam was a lost cause. I hope it does not take that long with Iraq. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Terry" Subject: Re: Comes a Time Benefit - NoB NoP Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:03:50 -0500 This has been claimed. Look for Tony to reoffer soon. ------------------------------ From: "RomanII" Crossposted-To: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s,rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: chantal up for adoption,limo busines is fycked up Date: 1 Oct 2005 19:06:07 -0700 What a fucking senile pervert turd chasing turk is this fucking Sean ------------------------------ From: Weathership Tango Delta Subject: Re: Re: Re: New Garcia Plays Dylan CD! Reply-To: tdonald@peoplepc.com Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:08:45 GMT On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:40:07 -0400, "The Iron Muffin" wrote: >Weathership Tango Delta wrote: > >> Have a "yes, TD's back" positive day, >> TD > >Welcome back, TD! Just the other day, I was thinking how much >I missed being told to HAPD. Then, by all means my ol' friend, please do have quite the positive day. (p.s. it's a Dr. Strangelove" reference) h.a.p.d., TD "When we magnify our physical matter very much, we find that we are made mostly of void permeated by oscillating fields. This is what *objective physical reality* is composed of." --Itzhak Bentov ------------------------------ From: BILL_NY@webtv.net Subject: Re: What is a good unplugged video to get? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:08:37 -0400 I always like a video that the Rolling Stones put out. I forgot the name of it? Was it Her Majesty's Request? No that was the name of there song right? Her Majesty's Ball? This was a video when they were first coming around. What was the name of that? They were quite young when they recorded it. Anyway, that was a good video. There was a DOORS video that I saw. But I only saw one song of that. (Light my Fire) The Grateful Dead put one out. What was that called? My mind is slipping. I saw it only one time. Elvis Costello did one. I think? Elvis Presley put out one that was a good. I only saw one song of that video too. The Beatles did one? Eric Clapton put one out? I think Sting did one also. What is that format called when the band plays in front of an intimate crowd? Is that a studio audience in there? Ya know controlled clapping and talking. Any good unplugged videos to recommend? Are there whole shows? They usually cut those short! booie... ==================================================== The Stones Album is "Their Satanic Majesties Request" . It's the Stones answer to Sgt. Pepper, it has some good tunes. My favorites are 2000 Light Years From Home and She's A Rainbow. The Beatles never released an Official Unplugged Anything, but there is alot of Unpuuged stuff out there. Bill http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/BILLNY/index.html ------------------------------ From: "seraphim" Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:18:44 GMT ok break out yer Frank Zappa shiek yer booti album tryin to grow me a chin btw my beard is kinda grey now not my hair just the beard "Jerry Lobrowski" wrote in message news:1128209911.563895.216210@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > So I could look like my hero Jerry Garcia when I start my Grateful Dead > tribute band. But my face felt hot and tight so I gave up and shaved so > I could be more comfortable. I know a guy who works as a shopping mall > Santa. I will see if he will let me use his. Has anyone here ever grown > a beard? > ------------------------------ From: garybeck@adelphia.net Subject: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" Date: 1 Oct 2005 19:34:17 -0700 you know that song? I've heard it a thousand times on the radio and if it's not Bob Dylan singing, I'll eat my proverbial hat. I was thinking I don't know what ablum it's on so I went to Bobdylan.com and couldn't find the song there. then googled it and found it is written by "Stealers Wheel" which consists of Joe Egan & Gerry Rafferty. Someone tell me what's up. Isn't that dylan? What album is it on? I also saw something about "Reservoir Dogs" on the google... ------------------------------ From: "Jerry's Kids" Subject: THE LEWINSKY AND KACZYNSKI LIMERICK [NDC] Date: 1 Oct 2005 19:44:11 -0700 THE LEWINSKY AND KACZYNSKI LIMERICK The Washington Post runs a weekly contest in its Style section called the "Style Invitational." The requirements this week were to use the two words, Lewinsky (The Intern) and Kaczynski (the Unabomber) in the same limerick. The following winning entries were printed in the newspaper: Third place: There once was a gal named Lewinsky Who played on a flute like Stravinsky 'Twas "Hail to the Chief" On this flute made of beef That stole the front page from Kaczynski Second place: Said Clinton to young Ms. Lewinsky, "We don't want to leave clues like Kaczynski, Since you made such a mess, Use the hem of your dress And please wipe that stuff off your chinsky." And the winning entry: Lewinsky and Clinton have shown What Kaczynski must surely have known That an intern is better Than a bomb in a letter When deciding how best to be blown ------------------------------ From: "Jerry's Kids" Subject: Gentlemen Start Your Engines Date: 1 Oct 2005 19:50:50 -0700 Besides some Halloween tunes like 'Monster Mash' and 'Season of the Witch' we posted more Grateful Dead related tunes this month on Sub Rosa. http://subrosa.arbre.us/SubRosaMusic.html Does anyone else dig 'Gentlemen Start Your Engines' from So Many Roads? They only played this tune a couple of times live in 1988. Too bad. Brent really growls on this one. He and Barlow wrote a nice song here. We also threw in these cover tunes from 'Deadicated'. Let your mouse stray and give 'em a listen to. Lyle Lovett - Friend Of The Devil Elvis Costello - Ship Of Fools Dr. John - Deal http://subrosa.arbre.us/SubRosaMusicArchive.html ------------------------------ From: "nugster420" Subject: anyone have Saturday 12/10 Phil tix? Date: 1 Oct 2005 19:59:18 -0700 I somehow missed out on the onsale today (been sick in bed for 3 days now) and this is the only show I can catch on this tour. I would really appreciate if some kind soul can come off of 1-3 tix so we can get down. Thanks in advance! --Rick heddy (dot) nuggets at g m a i l dot com ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" Date: 1 Oct 2005 20:19:33 -0700 Is this a serious question? You already googled the answer. ------------------------------ From: garybeck@adelphia.net Subject: Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" Date: 1 Oct 2005 20:49:05 -0700 yeah it's a serious question because I'm having a hard time believing that's not dylan on the lead vocals. ------------------------------ From: "starkers" Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: 1 Oct 2005 21:00:53 -0700 seraphim wrote: > ok break out yer Frank Zappa shiek yer booti album > tryin to grow me a chin > > btw my beard is kinda grey now not my hair just the beard > Or howseabout Zappa's smell my beard from you can't do that on stage anymore vol 4? ------------------------------ From: garybeck@adelphia.net Subject: Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" Date: 1 Oct 2005 21:01:55 -0700 well I found this: "Stuck in the Middle With You (early references just call it "Stuck in the Middle") is a song written by Joe Egan and Gerry Rafferty, and originally released in 1973 by their band Stealers Wheel. The single sold over one million copies, reaching number 10 on both the US and UK pop charts. According to Rafferty, it was inspired by a pre-signing party at which he and Egan sat around a table with recording company executives." I guess that's not Dylan singing? Wow. My hat tastes awful. ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: question about "Stuck in the middle with you" Date: 1 Oct 2005 22:35:08 -0700 >From experience, it's best to buy a (cheap) new hat when you gotta eat your sky-piece. A plain, simple cap with no buttons or buckles is best. Like to bust a tooth one time... ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:47:19 -0500 Jerry Lobrowski wrote: > So I could look like my hero Jerry Garcia when I start my Grateful Dead > tribute band. But my face felt hot and tight so I gave up and shaved so > I could be more comfortable. You get used to it after a short while. It has to grow out a bit. I know a guy who works as a shopping mall > Santa. I will see if he will let me use his. Has anyone here ever grown > a beard? Please!! Don't wear a fake beard to look like Jerry. I shaved mine off last New Year's Eve. Wore it for over a year. They're really not so bad. Keep it trimmed and learn to love it. Tom ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:54:59 -0500 cj wrote: > i gottoa goatee and i hate the hot weather. goatees enough. comfort rules > 75 degrees and zip humidity > cj Try Mexico or CA. About 40% of the Gringos down there wear beards and it's a lot hotter than you just mentioned. Tom ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: I tried to grow a beard Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:58:12 -0500 seraphim wrote: > ok break out yer Frank Zappa shiek yer booti album > tryin to grow me a chin > > btw my beard is kinda grey now not my hair just the beard It is not at all uncommon for beards and head hair to be of different color. Tom ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Those bloodthirsty Democrats ... Date: 1 Oct 2005 23:20:27 -0700 Hopefully the "average Joe" will not conclude that Iraq is a lost cause, but that it is a wrong cause. And since a great many average Joe's still remember the Vietnam debacle, maybe the numbers opposing the war will increase faster than they did back when we were opposing U.S. war in SE asia. We'll see. The point about "who voted for what two years ago" is that it is not a "what". It's a war, a goddamn insane military action that has gotten literally uncounted thousands of real people--military and civilian-- killed and destroyed a country that didn't attack us. And for those politicians who voted for this bloody "what", it was not an abberation or a simple mistake. They aren't fools, just cowards, and they have to take a share of the responsibility. So it's a good crank to keep turning. Gotta agree that a movement for peace is likely to come from the left (although, too, a lot of traditional conservatives seem to be questioning why the US is over there) but does that movement need leadership from politicians who voted to go to war? What would they say? "I was okay with the first 2000 American soldiers and countless Iraqis, mostly civilians dying, but gosh darn it, that's all." Also agree that the Dems are not in a good place to be, politically viz the party in power. Gosh, how'd that happen?!?! What a tangled web they weave... Larry ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Republican's top lobbyist hires Mob to kill business foe Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 06:48:59 GMT It appears the Republican Party is not only corrupt and irresponsible by running up massive budget deficits by starting an idiotic war that has killed thousands of Americans while giving huge tax cuts to multi-millionaires. It appears now there biggest corporate lobbyists are involved in mob killings. You read the article below and you wonder how Republicans in congress win elections. Perhaps they aren't winning elections - perhap the Republican-aligned voting machine companies (Diebold, ES&S) are "winning" them for the Republicans. Do America and the world a favor and work hard to defeat any Republican presently in congress you can (and don't let machines from Diebold and ES&S anywhere close to your local elections). Bill ======= http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/100105D.shtml The GOP's Spreading Plague By Joe Conason, Salon.com Friday, September 30, 2005 Voters are notoriously slow in voting out politicians accused of corruption, but they may reach the tipping point with the latest revelations. To be an honest Republican these days must be to wonder what awful revelation is coming next - and how the Grand Old Party, which once claimed to represent political reform, became a front for sleaze, corruption and cynical criminality. Across the country, from the Capitol to statehouses, Republican officials are under indictment, under investigation or under suspicion. This week's headlines featured the indictment of Rep. Tom DeLay and the probe of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, but the infection of venality among their fellow partisans is now reaching epidemic proportions. So widespread is the plague that keeping track of all the individual cases, and their increasingly baroque variations, has become a distinct challenge. Consider Jack Abramoff, once the prince of K Street lobbyists and a dedicated right-wing ideologue who boasted of his powerful connections to DeLay, Karl Rove, Grover Norquist and the entire Republican apparatus in Washington. Already under investigation by the Justice Department for his influence peddling among House members, including DeLay, and his swindling of Indian tribes, Abramoff was indicted last month for bank fraud in a separate South Florida case involving a casino boat company that he partly owned. The fraud allegedly committed by Abramoff and his business partner Adam Kidan involved a phony wire transfer they used to purchase a controlling interest in SunCruz from the company's founder, Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis, in 2001. Abramoff and Kidan later fell out with Boulis in a bitter business dispute that turned violent. In February 2001, gunmen ambushed Boulis on a Fort Lauderdale, Fla., highway and shot him repeatedly. On Tuesday, Florida authorities arrested three New York men with mob connections for the Boulis killing. Two of the men - Anthony Moscatiello and Tony Ferrari - had received payments totaling more than $240,000 from Kidan and Abramoff. Moscatiello, a longtime associate of the Gambino Mafia family, and Ferrari were supposedly providing food and consulting services to SunCruz - or so Kidan claimed when questioned by prosecutors. There is no evidence, however, that Moscatiello and Ferrari provided any services to the company. Connecting the dots isn't difficult here: Kidan and Abramoff want to get rid of Boulis, who won't go away. Kidan and Abramoff hire Moscatiello and Ferrari with SunCruz money. Moscatiello and Ferrari allegedly whack Boulis, without any motive of their own. If the Broward County state's attorney has sufficient evidence to win convictions for a capital crime, some people will probably be talking soon in hope of avoiding the hot shot. The stunning fall of Abramoff, who has yet to hit bottom, is certainly the most colorful tale of Republican depravity. The corporate money laundering to Texas politicians that led to DeLay's conspiracy indictment, and the suspicious insider stock transaction that spurred investigations of Frist by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission, seem mundane by comparison. Outrage will be warranted if their misconduct is proved, but everyone sadly knows that these felonies are now common practice in our political and corporate culture. Corporate misbehavior has also brought down right-wing publisher Conrad Black, neoconservative strategist and former Bush advisor Richard Perle and the entire corporate board of Hollinger Inc., the Republican-friendly media conglomerate formerly controlled by Lord Black - and that he and others are plausibly accused of illicitly looting for their own benefit. Furious shareholders forced Black to relinquish control of the company and are suing him, as well as Perle and former Black deputy David Radler, for $500 million. The SEC is also suing Black and Radler, and the Justice Department is investigating the former Hollinger directors. Last month, US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, who also happens to be the special prosecutor in the Valerie Plame case, accepted Radler's guilty plea to mail fraud and wire fraud. Radler is now believed to be cooperating in the prosecution of what former SEC chairman Richard Breeden, a Republican who investigated Hollinger on behalf of shareholders, termed a "corporate kleptocracy." Kleptocratic morality evidently ruled at least two Republican statehouses in the Midwest as well. Currently under indictment are former Gov. George Ryan of Illinois, whose trial on bribery charges began last week, and Gov. Robert Taft of Ohio, who pleaded no contest last month to charges of accepting illegal gifts from a state contractor. That contractor is Thomas Noe, a coin dealer who received lucrative investment deals with the state's Workers Compensation Fund and is now at the center of a gigantic scandal known as "Coingate." More than $12 million has disappeared from the fund, and former GOP official Noe stands accused of laundering money to various Republican politicians, including the Bush-Cheney campaign. Like Abramoff, Noe is a Bush "Pioneer," responsible for raising at least $100,000 for the president last year. Still another Pioneer is currently under criminal investigation in a celebrated corruption case involving Randy "Duke" Cunningham, a prominent Republican representative from San Diego with a senior position on the House defense appropriations subcommittee. On Aug. 18, FBI and IRS agents raided the offices of defense contractor and Bush fundraiser Brent Wilkes. Wilkes is reportedly a former business associate of Mitchell J. Wade, the head of a defense contracting firm called MZM Inc. who is under investigation in San Diego for alleged bribery of Cunningham. According to newspaper reports, Wade purchased a home owned by Cunningham at a price inflated by at least $700,000, and also permitted the congressman to use his 42-foot yacht free of charge. Federal agents searched Wade's offices in July. Although prosecutors have brought no criminal charges in the case yet, they have filed civil court documents describing the home sale as a violation of federal bribery laws - and Cunningham, who has served in Congress for decades, has already announced that he will not seek another term next year. The Republican National Committee's new treasurer, Robert Kjellander, is under investigation too. (Naturally, he is also a Bush Pioneer.) Not long after he assumed his new post at the party's Washington headquarters, Kjellander received a federal subpoena for records of his dealings with the Illinois Teachers' Retirement System, a state pension fund, and the Carlyle Group. Federal prosecutors are reportedly looking into alleged corruption at the fund, and have asked Kjellander to provide information about a $4.5 million fee he received from Carlyle for his role in arranging investments by the fund with the huge private equity fund. Carlyle, of course, is closely connected to the Bush administration, including the president's father, George H.W. Bush, who has worked for the firm as a rainmaker and advisor. In fairness, it should be said that all these pols and parasites may be innocent (except for those already convicted), or at least not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It is also true that voters have historically been slow to evict politicians from office because of corruption charges. But public opinion of congressional Republicans is hitting new lows, and Americans are growing furious about the war in Iraq, the government response to Hurricane Katrina and rising energy prices. The natural impulse to throw the rascals out can only be encouraged by the Gilded Age spectacles now unfolding in Washington and in cities across the country as the indictments continue to come down between now and November 2006. ================================ Joe Conason writes a weekly column for Salon and the New York Observer. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .