From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #466 Dead-Flames Digest #466, Volume #48 Sat, 1 Oct 05 13:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie ("garciyalater@hotmail.com") Interesting take on Iraq... (DG) Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie ("rcb30") Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie ("rcb30") Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("dyrewlf") Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("Richard Morris") Re: One man takes on the scalpers ("Jerry Lobrowski") Re: Republicans, look out below... ("Richard Morris") New Garcia Artwork Book. ("imsjry") Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie ("dwolf") Re: We're Excited (NDC) ("grtflmark") Re: Too fast to live... ("Schmoe") Re: Too fast to live... ("Schmoe") 5/22/77 Wharf Rat > Terrapin > Morning Dew. ("rcb30") Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie ("Jerry Lobrowski") Re: Interesting take on Iraq... (joker4153@comcast.net) Re: Republicans, look out below... ("Everybody's Gonna Be Happy") Re: Interesting take on Iraq... ("Richard Morris") Re: Republicans, look out below... (JimK) Re: Did Mike Myers ever do anything you could not watch stoned? ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Interesting take on Iraq... ("Don Bean") Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie (magictransistor@yahoo.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "garciyalater@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie Date: 1 Oct 2005 09:38:04 -0700 in honor of today....10/1/94....so many roads, althea for short songs.....and then a monster scarlet--> to open the second set....... Chuck ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Interesting take on Iraq... Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:41:12 -0700 http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00129&stoplayout=true&print=true Lieutenant General William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.), is a Senior Fellow with Hudson Institute and a professor at Yale University. He was Director of the National Security Agency from 1985 to 1988. From 1981 to 1985, he served as Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, the Army's senior intelligence officer. From 1977 to 1981, he was Military Assistant to the President's Assistant for National Security Affairs, Zbigniew Brzezinski. ------------------------------ From: "rcb30" Subject: Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie Date: 1 Oct 2005 09:48:36 -0700 Without looking ('cause then it'd never get done) ... the Bertha and Jack Straw from 100 Yr Hall fit this bill. That's the Bertha I hear when I look it up in the dictionary. The OMSN is fine, too. That Playin' is also a nice manageable version, and if you're feeling adventurous, consider the most excellent Dew > Playin' reprise from 10/18/72, thought that might not be best for a beginner disc. Or there's the Bird Song from DP11 9/27/72. Along the same lines, the H>S>F from One From The Vault is about as concise and error-free as you'll get while still being good ... plus you get the Bill Graham intro. One of those (cowboy song)>Big River pairings ('76-'77ish?) where Jerry just rips nonstop through the Big River verses. Maybe a Cassidy, even the Reckoning one would might be nice. A '74 Eyes (you probably don't have time for the one from DP31?) or China>Rider ... a good early Brent-era Scarlet>Fire ... the Cumberland from I think it's 6/17/91 ... a good Samson ... and you are talking about a blank DVD, right? Let us know what you go with! rcb ------------------------------ From: "rcb30" Subject: Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie Date: 1 Oct 2005 09:55:53 -0700 Oops, that wasn't 6/17/91, it's 10/19/89, sorry -- I got those two at the same time and confuse the sets now and then. Actually, the whole second half of the first set on 10/19/89 would be good candidates, imo. rcb ------------------------------ From: "dyrewlf" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:14:54 GMT "Rogues Island's finest" wrote in message news:1128102637.341801.219640@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > wyeknot wrote: >> volkfolk wrote: >> > "DG" wrote in message >> > >> >>It's not like this guy didn't know the costs upfront. He's a scumbag >> >>for buying from them and then suing. Either don't buy and sue or buy >> >>and STFU. >> > >> > I think that he has a better case, having the letter in hand that asked >> > him >> > to lie about where he bought them, rather than not having bought them >> >> Yeah, but that deflates the hard-line stance rant completely. >> >> Matt >> >> P.S. The letter instructing the purchaser to lie is priceless. And >> damning. > > Damning and very common. I have a buddy who used these guys a *lot*, > and there is always a letter in with the tickets. > > The part that pisses me off royally, is that they are nailing Joe fan, > but ignoring the brokers. A dentist got busted in front of Fenway a few > years back, WITH his son standing next to him, for selling an extra > ticket to the game. He sued, and I'm not sure what ever happened to > him. > > The MA State Police have undercover cops at Great Woods looking for > people selling tickets, for any price, and they arrest them on the > spot. I damn near got nailed a few years ago selling an extra (for > less that face). > > Enforce the fucking laws equally or drop 'em. > > Mark > Same thing in Seattle, I have season tix for the Seahawks. Last yr I had an extra for a game and was trying to get rid of it for face value. The cops kept telling me that I couldn't sell on county property no matter what the price, but the true scalpers just 20 ft away were never bothered, which I thought was really weird. I wasn't arrested but I was hassled enough. Steve ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:25:19 -0700 "DG" wrote in message news:o0ctj1l1eanmsf4bl61mknnqh3d4ll5er8@4ax.com... > DGDevin wrote: >> >>This is like someone diverting >>groceries from your local supermarket so that when you need bread and milk >>you have to buy them from a food scalper in the alley at greatly increased >>prices because the delivery to the store was never going to be enough to >>meet the demand, it's a big fat scam. > > > Yeah, except food is needed for survival. Concerts and sporting > events are luxuries. So *you* say. ;) R. ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Lobrowski" Subject: Re: One man takes on the scalpers Date: 1 Oct 2005 11:03:34 -0700 dyrewlf wrote: > Same thing in Seattle, I have season tix for the Seahawks. Last yr I had an > extra for a game and was trying to get rid of it for face value. The cops > kept telling me that I couldn't sell on county property no matter what the > price, but the true scalpers just 20 ft away were never bothered, which I > thought was really weird. I wasn't arrested but I was hassled enough. > Steve At the Forum in Inglewood they arrest buyers too. I was shocked when around 1996 I read an article in the LA Times about a father and his teenage son both arrested for trying to buy a ticket for a King's game. I counted myself lucky because unless I score front row from Ticketmaster I almost always went down there ticketless. I mean, why the hell should I pay $40 for an upper deck Slipknot ticket when I can get a GA floor for $20 outside? I just be real careful and count my blessings when everything goes alright. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Republicans, look out below... Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:10:55 -0700 "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote in message news:lzy%e.868$aB1.5698@eagle.america.net... > > "sacha" wrote in message > news:433df9e8$1@news.accesscomm.ca... >> >>> Yet we elect them. Shall we then conclude that we have become a nation >>> of >>> assholes? >>> >>> R. >>> > >> You got it Richard. snip > Voters have tried to address these problems over and over again through > state inititatives to mandate term limits, campaign finance reform, and > non-partisan congressional redistricting schemes. But the entrenched > interests and incumbents always find a way to get around whatever rules > are adopted. What I have seen here in Californy is two things. First, the same thing that you describe with respect to the election process for representatives also applies to what used to be citizen-initiated proposals. Now, getting an initiative on the ballot has become an industry all its own, and requires major funding. So what typically makes it on the ballot is not designed to improve the quality of government, it is all too often a proposal to benefit some special moneyed interest thinly-disguised as a proposal to benefit the people. In addition, all too often the proposals have some major, unintended consequence which makes the situation worse. Term limits? A case in point. Term limits were supposed to keep politicians from getting entrenched ... from forgetting who they serve. In reality, what I see happening is that a bunch of people get elected who know they are only going to be in the system for a limited time, so they make sure to take care of the moneyed interests in the state while in office, so that the moneyed interests look after them when the term out. > We are not a nation of assholes. While too many voters remain ill > informed and even ignorant about issues and candidates, that's always been > the case since the beginning of our republic. Its the permanent > gerrymandering, the astronomical amounts of money required to win, and the > way the media covers elections that has given us our current electoral > system. Open it up and the voters will make the right choices. > Unfortunately, that is never going to happen. The fact is, though, that the money, the media and so forth, are all a reflection of our current culture. Whether you elect people by popular vote or by seeing who can raise the most in campaign funds, the campaign funds come from people who have an agenda. That being said, great, great post, Toad. I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to let the general populace off the hook. But I thought you analysis was on the button. Here is a supportive anecdote: Was having dinner a couple of months ago with a friend, who incidently happened to be the first openly gay candidate for constitutional office in the California several years ago. A decent guy who also spent some time trying to limit campaign contributions by legislation while working in the secretary of state's office. Anyhow, I asked him if he would ever consider running for office again. His response was that he would, only if he won the state lottery and could finance his own campaign (in other words, never). The reason being exactly what you describe: it costs so much to run for office that by the time you get elected, you are no longer your own person. Other people own you. R. ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: New Garcia Artwork Book. Date: 1 Oct 2005 11:20:16 -0700 This looks really nice. http://www.spincds.com/old/garciaart.html ------------------------------ From: "dwolf" Subject: Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:30:59 -0400 I made a mix that was simple.... pulled from Cornell 77 and Great American Music Hall 75 "rcb30" wrote in message news:1128185753.413716.119140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Oops, that wasn't 6/17/91, it's 10/19/89, sorry -- I got those two at > the same time and confuse the sets now and then. Actually, the whole > second half of the first set on 10/19/89 would be good candidates, imo. > > > rcb > ------------------------------ From: "grtflmark" Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Date: 1 Oct 2005 11:36:17 -0700 Seth Jackson wrote: > We just learned that our kids' elementary school was officially named > a Blue Ribbon School by the U.S. Dept. of Education under the No Child > Left Behind Program. According to the Dept. of Education website, > "The No Child Left Behind Blue Ribbon Schools Program honors public > and private K-12 schools that are either academically superior in > their states or that demonstrate dramatic gains in student > achievement." > > http://www.ed.gov/programs/nclbbrs/index.html ..... Congratulations - it's nice to know that your kids are being challenged and educated with useful information instead of being "passed along" and getting fed crap --- this will improve their chances to be successful and contribute to society ...... and maybe even help you our in your old age, instead of being "wards of the state" ...... .... that has to feel good -- part of the credit for that obviously goes to you since schools aren't successful without effective parental participation! ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:38:26 -0400 mjd wrote: > ahhh, you're killing my buzz on this awesome 11/13/72 china>rider > now... Sorry. As you were... ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: Too fast to live... Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:42:00 -0400 volkfolk wrote: > > > I think that Dean would have been seen as one of the great actors of > his generation, along with Brandio and Newman if he had lived.. > Dennis Hopper (who was in both RWAC and Giant) speaks with reverence > when he talks about James Dean I think, like many, Hopper was duped by Dean's potent charm. That he had in spades. He definitely had that "it" thing but I found his acting to be over the top. Remember, many think Streep is among the most brilliant actresses of the modern era but there's also a camp that puts into the overacting James Dean bin. Disclaimer, YMMV ------------------------------ From: "rcb30" Subject: 5/22/77 Wharf Rat > Terrapin > Morning Dew. Date: 1 Oct 2005 11:45:13 -0700 Keith's ornamentation in Wharf Rat, the ease into and gear-shift during Terrapin, and the Jerry/Keith interplay from the quietest to the peak of the Dew instrumental ending. I'm just sayin'. rcb ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Lobrowski" Subject: Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie Date: 1 Oct 2005 11:58:20 -0700 magictransistor@yahoo.com wrote: > So, I want to compile a cd of live stuff to introduce someone who's > interested - I'm thinking several shorter songs in really good versions > with good sound and tightness (Mama Tried, Good Lovin, Bertha?) moving > into a good Playin->Eyes and then a really hot Scarlet->Fire to wrap it > up, with an encore of US Blues or something. Anyone have any > particular dates or suggestions? Scarlet -> Fire from Oakland 12/31/80. I also dig that version of "Wharf Rat." Both from the 3rd set. ------------------------------ From: joker4153@comcast.net Subject: Re: Interesting take on Iraq... Date: 1 Oct 2005 12:03:46 -0700 Odom, who was NSA Director under Reagan, makes some good points. Not least of all this one: "So why is almost nobody advocating a pullout? I can only speculate. We face a strange situation today where few if any voices among Democrats in Congress will mention early withdrawal from Iraq, and even the one or two who do will not make a comprehensive case for withdrawal now.Why are the Democrats failing the public on this issue today?=A0 The biggest reason is because they weren=92t willing to raise that issue during the campaign. Howard Dean alone took a clear and consistent stand on Iraq, and the rest of the Democratic party trashed him for it. Most of those in Congress voted for the war and let that vote shackle them later on.=A0 Now they are scared to death that the White House will smear them with lack of patriotism if they suggest pulling out." Larry ------------------------------ From: "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" Subject: Re: Republicans, look out below... Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:07:31 -0700 "Richard Morris" wrote in message news:d_Gdnf86RZqtTKPeRVn- >> Voters have tried to address these problems over and over again through >> state inititatives to mandate term limits, campaign finance reform, and >> non-partisan congressional redistricting schemes. But the entrenched >> interests and incumbents always find a way to get around whatever rules >> are adopted. > What I have seen here in Californy is two things. First, the same thing > that you describe with respect to the election process for representatives > also applies to what used to be citizen-initiated proposals. Now, getting > an initiative on the ballot has become an industry all its own, and > requires major funding. So what typically makes it on the ballot is not > designed to improve the quality of government, it is all too often a > proposal to benefit some special moneyed interest thinly-disguised as a > proposal to benefit the people. Yup. Your political process is as hopped up and absurd as it can get. Its due to the humongous size and wild diversity of your state, not to mention all that money floating around. In normal states initiatives are still offered by citizens' groups and remind me of how it used to be in California; although its moving in the Cali direction all the time, mainly due to all those Cali political campaign managers and advisors who troll around the country looking for something to latch onto. > In addition, all too often the proposals have some major, unintended > consequence which makes the situation worse. Term limits? A case in > point. Term limits were supposed to keep politicians from getting > entrenched ... from forgetting who they serve. In reality, what I see > happening is that a bunch of people get elected who know they are only > going to be in the system for a limited time, so they make sure to take > care of the moneyed interests in the state while in office, so that the > moneyed interests look after them when the term out. Yup. That's partly a result of your absurd full time legislature, where elected officials actually live off what they make (and set up for later) in Sacramento. Normal states with part time citizen legislatures don't have as much of a problem. Your state government is almost exactly like Congress, with full time representatives, hordes of paid staffers, and a huge bureacracy filled with people eager to exploit the system for their own benefit. >> We are not a nation of assholes. While too many voters remain ill >> informed and even ignorant about issues and candidates, that's always >> been the case since the beginning of our republic. Its the permanent >> gerrymandering, the astronomical amounts of money required to win, and >> the way the media covers elections that has given us our current >> electoral system. Open it up and the voters will make the right choices. >> Unfortunately, that is never going to happen. > The fact is, though, that the money, the media and so forth, are all a > reflection of our current culture. Whether you elect people by popular > vote or by seeing who can raise the most in campaign funds, the campaign > funds come from people who have an agenda. > > That being said, great, great post, Toad. I wouldn't necessarily be so > quick to let the general populace off the hook. But I thought you > analysis was on the button. Here is a supportive anecdote: Thanks.............. > Was having dinner a couple of months ago with a friend, who incidently > happened to be the first openly gay candidate for constitutional office in > the California several years ago. A decent guy who also spent some time > trying to limit campaign contributions by legislation while working in the > secretary of state's office. Anyhow, I asked him if he would ever > consider running for office again. His response was that he would, only > if he won the state lottery and could finance his own campaign (in other > words, never). The reason being exactly what you describe: it costs so > much to run for office that by the time you get elected, you are no longer > your own person. Other people own you. I think the solution (if there is one) is to have a part time Congress with part time staffers with laws that limit contributions to candidates from people who are registered voters in the district. No PACS, no corporations, nothing but checks up to $100 from actual people who live and vote in the district. Of course the former will never happen because no congressman is going to vote to meet only for 4 months every two years, and the latter will never happen because its unconstitutional. EGBH ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Interesting take on Iraq... Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:11:54 -0700 wrote in message news:1128193426.133278.249560@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... Odom, who was NSA Director under Reagan, makes some good points. Not least of all this one: "So why is almost nobody advocating a pullout? I can only speculate. We face a strange situation today where few if any voices among Democrats in Congress will mention early withdrawal from Iraq, and even the one or two who do will not make a comprehensive case for withdrawal now.Why are the Democrats failing the public on this issue today? The biggest reason is because they werent willing to raise that issue during the campaign. Howard Dean alone took a clear and consistent stand on Iraq, and the rest of the Democratic party trashed him for it. Most of those in Congress voted for the war and let that vote shackle them later on. Now they are scared to death that the White House will smear them with lack of patriotism if they suggest pulling out." Yep. Kerry advocated pulling out of Vietnam 30 years ago, and look what happened to him two years ago. He also advocated a timeline for pulling out of Iraq. Didn't go over too well with the peepul. Where is Howard Dean? Interesting choice of words. "Failing the public". They are failing the public by not volunteering for an ass beating. 'Course, it could be that the public is failing itself. So where is your favorite candidate on all of this, Larry? R. ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Republicans, look out below... Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:37:18 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:12:01 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote: > >"sacha" wrote in message >news:433df9e8$1@news.accesscomm.ca... >> >>> Yet we elect them. Shall we then conclude that we have become a nation >>> of >>> assholes? >>> >>> R. >>> > >> You got it Richard. > >Bullshit. > >Its the system the politicians have created, not the voters that have caused >this mess. > >It takes millions of dollars to run for Congress these days. Senate races >routinely top 20 million. That eliminates any potential candidate who isn't >already well connected to large money sources. No bookstore owner or >restaurant hostess can possible even consider running for office, like they >still do in some state races. > >The huge amounts of money necessary for a campaign cannot be raised by >unknown or unconnected or new faces. Money comes from PACS, lobbyists, and >other politicians' campaign funds. Individual contributions still matter, >but they're more of a token gesture than a real way for non-congressional >staffers, non-lobbyists, non-millionaires, etc. to run. > >And the vast majority of House races are decided well before the campaign >even starts. Only a tiny handful of races are truly competitive elections. >Almost all congressional districts have been gerrymandered with the >enthusiastic agreement of incumbents from both parties. They carve up >cities and neighborhoods and counties to ensure that the Dem has 70% Dem >registration in his district and the Repub has 70% Repub registration in his >district. That way neither one of them has much to worry about. But if >some brave soul is out there thinking of running anyway, the incumbent's >huge war chest usually scares them off. > >3rd party and independent candidates have to run through a myriad of >obstacles besides the money thing, which is a huge problem, especially if >your campaigning against groups that have powerful lobbies. Like obtaining >enough signatures in the required areas by the assigned date to even get on >the ballot. Laws are byzantine and designed to exclude these candidates. > >The media generally only covers the major party candidates, and instead of >covering issues and pending legislation, they focus on horse races and >personalities. They look for scandal and conflict, ignoring candidates' >records, stands on issues, and proposals for the future. > >The permanent gerrymandering has helped foster this climate of out of >control partisanship. Since most districts heavily lean to one party or the >other, its easy for an extremist candidate to win. There is no need for >the nominee of either party to try to appeal to the middle; the members of >their party far outweigh the other side so they don't even bother to try to >win their votes. > >Voters have tried to address these problems over and over again through >state inititatives to mandate term limits, campaign finance reform, and >non-partisan congressional redistricting schemes. But the entrenched >interests and incumbents always find a way to get around whatever rules are >adopted. > >We are not a nation of assholes. While too many voters remain ill informed >and even ignorant about issues and candidates, that's always been the case >since the beginning of our republic. Its the permanent gerrymandering, the >astronomical amounts of money required to win, and the way the media covers >elections that has given us our current electoral system. Open it up and >the voters will make the right choices. Unfortunately, that is never going >to happen. > >EGBH > > What you're saying, effectively, is that we'll probably never again see Mr. Smith go to Washington. Sad, but almost certainly true. Probably the only way an outsider who's not part of the machine can hope to win a major state or national election these days is if he or she is a celebrity with huge name recognition, a la Arnold. JimK ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Crossposted-To: alt.music.who Subject: Re: Did Mike Myers ever do anything you could not watch stoned? Date: 1 Oct 2005 12:37:51 -0700 RickNBarbInSD wrote: > Rogues Island's finest wrote: > > > > The best role ever played by Mike Myers was standing next to Kanye West > > on the Katrina telethon when he said "George Bush doesn't care about > > black people." The look on Myers face was priceless. > > > > Mark > > > > Pictures?!?!?! > > > > Rick Found it: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html ------------------------------ From: "Don Bean" Subject: Re: Interesting take on Iraq... Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:46:09 -0400 This guy is right on... Im for any law, any politician or any way to get our great troops home asap.. We can honor them with parades or anything,just get them home to there families... I dont even care if the troops dont have to pay taxes anymore... Thats a good reward for them ! Bean "DG" wrote in message news:usetj15v72mnggdsnt0etpnnsb3befu37f@4ax.com... > > http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00129&stoplayout=true&print=true > > Lieutenant General William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.), is a Senior > Fellow with Hudson Institute and a professor at Yale University. He > was Director of the National Security Agency from 1985 to 1988. From > 1981 to 1985, he served as Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, > the Army's senior intelligence officer. From 1977 to 1981, he was > Military Assistant to the President's Assistant for National Security > Affairs, Zbigniew Brzezinski. > > ------------------------------ From: magictransistor@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Mix suggestions to introduce newbie Date: 1 Oct 2005 12:48:23 -0700 Nice suggestions all...thank you. Can anyone suggest a really tight Good Lovin' with strong vocals? Also, is DP31 worth hearing? I've never heard that show before or since the DP came out... ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .