From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #454 Dead-Flames Digest #454, Volume #48 Fri, 30 Sep 05 07:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: I like JGB better than GD ("Bill") Re: My first Pure Jerry experience (Kirk McElhearn) Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? ("Rupert") Dr. John speaks (NDC) (band beyond description) Re: Republicans, look out below... (Cassady Ginsberg) Re: Republicans, look out below... (Steve Lenier) Re: A reporters view of the REX benifit show. ("Brian S.") Re: I like JGB better than GD ("Jethro Q. Walrustitty") Janis on the dime (The Lord of Eltingville) Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? ("Nick's Picks") Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? ("Olompali4") Re: essential AUD recordings... ("Nick's Picks") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("Chunk") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("Chunk") Re: We're Excited (NDC) (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Janis on the dime ("Jay") Re: We're Excited (NDC) ("Brian D.") Re: I like JGB better than GD ("Dylanstubs") Re: essential AUD recordings... (brew ziggins) Re: I like JGB better than GD ("Schmoe") Re: I like JGB better than GD (brew ziggins) Re: Janis on the dime ("Schmoe") Re: Umphrey's in NYC -- Yesss! ("Greg Sasso") Re: essential AUD recordings... ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? ("tim_ratdog") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill" Subject: Re: I like JGB better than GD Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:37:04 GMT "Seth Jackson" wrote in message news:8plpj11ip71l09ljreruj6n07skuc7g84q@4ax.com... > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:40:02 -0700, "staffino" > wrote: > > >1. No Bob Weir singing. > >2. No Bob Weir songs. > >3. Bob Weir isn't within 50 miles of the place. > >4. Did I mention no Bob Weir singing?---staffino > > You've just named 4 big reasons why I prefer the Grateful Dead. Not > to mention Weir's guitar playing (excluding slide). If you want to hear a great Weir slide, listen to him during the jam to If I Had the World to Give from 11-20-78. His subtle slide work in combo with Jerry's playing really is something. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: Re: My first Pure Jerry experience From: kirk@mcelhearn.com (Kirk McElhearn) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:45:32 +0200 Jeff & Sara Salmon wrote: > I finally got a hold of the first in the series of Pure Jerry and I must > admit I was blown away. Are the others as good as this? I would love to > get some opinions of the other releases of Pure Jerry. I bought nos 1 and 6 - they are both really great. However, the Kean College show annoys me, because of the hokey synthesiser sound. When the keyboard player solos, I skip to the next track. Kirk ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? Date: 30 Sep 2005 00:01:41 -0700 First time I saw them was Oklahoma 2001, after flying out there from Oakland, and being miserable in the humidity and 100-degree weather. They played a two hour+ set of absolute lounge tunes! Their version of Terrapin was downright painful to listen to. Saw them again open for Phil at Redrocks a year later, and they were fantastic! I don't know how they do it...they did the same thing during the New Year's run in 2001...brilliant one night, the next night, crap. ------------------------------ From: band beyond description <123@456.com> Subject: Dr. John speaks (NDC) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:03:21 +0900 ....to The Japan Times (and they left in all the cuss words)... http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fm20050930a1.htm -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: Cassady Ginsberg Subject: Re: Republicans, look out below... Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:38:12 +0000 (UTC) }http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050930/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_investigation;_ylt=AhQdFc.AQJj4DvXHCuQjmbus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- Scooter Libby revealed the name of a covert intelligence agent for political gain? The vice president knew and lied about it? Karl Rove revealed the name of a covert intelligence agent for political gain? The president knew and lied about it? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you. Round up the usual suspects. So, how does this compare to an extramarital blowjob, rwnwdhs? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:26:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Republicans, look out below... From: Steve Lenier in article dhiq14$30hr$1@agate.berkeley.edu, Cassady Ginsberg at fpunk2001@yahoo.com wrote on 9/30/05 12:38 AM: > }http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050930/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_investigation; > _ylt=AhQdFc.AQJj4DvXHCuQjmbus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- > > Scooter Libby revealed the name of a covert > intelligence agent for political gain? The vice > president knew and lied about it? > > Karl Rove revealed the name of a covert intelligence > agent for political gain? The president knew and lied > about it? > > I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you. > Round up the usual suspects. > > So, how does this compare to an extramarital blowjob, > rwnwdhs? *SNAP* Oh no you DI'INT Steve ------------------------------ From: "Brian S." Subject: Re: A reporters view of the REX benifit show. Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:19:54 -0400 Is this show up for download yet somewhere? Would like to hear it. Brian S. "ba ba booie" wrote in message news:29453-433C1A8D-250@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net... A reporters view of the REX benifit show. Buzz Editor's Column: Jerry Garcia's music celebrated at Berkeley benefit By ALAN SHECKTER BERKELEY -- Extended family, friends and musical comrades on Saturday paid an uplifting music tribute to Jerry Garcia, the patriarch and chief visionary of the Grateful Dead. "Comes a Time -- A Celebration of the Music and Spirit of Jerry Garcia," took place at the sun-filled, then starlit Greek Theatre, the 8,500-capacity bowl-shaped venue on the UC Berkeley campus. The event, a benefit for the Rex Foundation, a Bay Area-based philanthropic organization in which Garcia was a board member, marked 10 years since his passing. The six-hour sold-out show highlighted Garcia's music from several different angles. David Nelson, of New Riders of the Purple Sage fame, led a trio, who along with Garcia, made up the majority of a short-lived jug band, the Black Mountain Boys. "In 1963 we did every one of these songs with Jerry," Nelson said during a set that included such numbers as "Oh Babe, It Ain't No Lie" and "Barefoot Nellie." And thus the theme was set. Each act performed songs that Garcia had sung in his day. Next up, The String Cheese Incident reeled off a half-hour set that included "Friend of the Devil," "Casey Jones" and "Ripple." The mood at the Greek Theatre was completely upbeat; after all it had been 10 years since Garcia's passing. What was referred to as "Jerry Garcia's Band" followed. Garcia often fronted and toured with the Jerry Garcia Band, which featured several different lineups over the years. And this particular melting-pot band performed some of those songs, including "Cats Under The Stars," "Lucky Old Sun" and "Deal." Garcia Band's original keyboardist, Merl Saunders, despite his frail health, was led to the keyboards where he played --Â to a thunderous ovation --Â for what may have been the first time since suffering a stroke three years ago. Ratdog, Grateful Dead's rhythm guitarist/co-lead vocalist Bob Weir's current band, played next. In their four-song set, they too, stuck with the theme, offering versions of Garcia-sung songs, including "Bird Song" and "Big Railroad Blues." Next, Hamza El Din, part of the extended Dead family since 1978 when the band played in Egypt, led a short percussion and spiritual vocal piece with some 15 people all dressed in white robes lending a hand, including The Dead's percussionist Mickey Hart and longtime band friend and NBA analyst Bill Walton. After a short break, Weir acted as conductor for what was a well planned out, well rehearsed set. The final three hours featured The Jerry Garcia Tribute Band, kind of a Dead super-group. The large ensemble featured members of the Grateful Dead (Weir, drummers Hart and Bill Kreutzmann, vocalist Donna Godchaux-McKay) as well as several others, including Bruce Hornsby, Phish front man Trey Anastasio and Allman Brothers/Govt. Mule lead guitarist Warren Haynes. Members of Ratdog and String Cheese's Michael Kang also played in what was at some points a 13-person band. Anastasio, Haynes, Hornsby, Weir and Hart all shared in lead vocal duties on Garcia/Dead classics such as "Dark Star," "Bertha," "Eyes of the World," "Uncle John's Band," "Scarlet Begonias," "He's Gone" and "Franklin's Tower." The epic set's encore was the poignant "Brokedown Palace," followed by a final refrain of "Dark Star" and finally, "Touch of Grey," the band's biggest commercial hit, which includes the heartening lyrics, "We will get by; we will survive." Buzz Editor Alan Sheckter can be reached at 896-7771 or buzz@chicoer.com. bbb wrote: I wish I was there. Maybe next time. Hang on there Merl. : ) .. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (the concert hotwire) http://pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "Jethro Q. Walrustitty" Subject: Re: I like JGB better than GD Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:57:44 -0400 HTML = Retard = PLONK "staffino" wrote in message news:ToednWdxFbsULqHeRVn-vw@comcast.com... 1. No Bob Weir singing. 2. No Bob Weir songs. 3. Bob Weir isn't within 50 miles of the place. 4. Did I mention no Bob Weir singing?---staffino ------------------------------ From: The Lord of Eltingville Subject: Janis on the dime Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:46:15 -0400 Hop on this one. W/377 seeds, it's flying right now (my d/l sped is averaging 800kB/s) http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=61847 -- Big Brother 1967-xx-xx San Francisco this show circulates under various dates and venues but no matter which one you have, this is by far the best of the circulating versions. I downloaded the source from STG and fixed the flaws it had. It turned out excellent and may be the best sounding Janis concert in circulation. Janis Joplin with Big Brother and the Holding Company San Francisco Date & Location Unclear Disc 1 01. Call on Me 02. Combination of the Two 03. Blow My Mind 04. Down on Me/ 05. /All is Loneliness -> Drum Solo/ 06. /Roadblock 07. Light is Faster than Sound 08. Bye, Bye Baby 09. Catch Me Daddy (Brownsville) 10. Ball and Chain -> outro/ Disc 2 01. //I Know You Rider 02. Farewell Song// Original Notes: Source: SBD > 1/4" Master Reel > 4th gen DAT (48) Transfer: DAT 60ES > M-Audio Audiophile USB > CDWAV > Goldwave Resampling to 44.1 and pop removal (x2) > CD WAV tracking and Flac conversion Diginoise in Ball and Chain, Minor cuts before I know You Rider and after Farewell Song, some hiss and a few digital problems as noted above. Remaster Notes: speed correction, ground hum and some hiss removed, removed gaps and most of the clocks and pops. Diginoise was fixed with a different (inferior) source -- ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? Date: 30 Sep 2005 04:17:54 -0700 I really enjoy ratdog. its just jay lanes boaring ass drumming that I get stuck on...thats the only downfall. ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? Date: 30 Sep 2005 04:33:50 -0700 Painful? Not at all. But all post Garcia, GD related projects by remaining members involving live shows with the classic repertoire are severely lacking. Weir, at least, seems to breeze by year after year while Lesh and Hart are so overly dramatic in presentation they nearly reach ludicrous speed. ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Date: 30 Sep 2005 04:34:23 -0700 as i've said soooo many times here... one of the best things i've ever done in my life...was to start getting into high end stereo playback. I've invested counltess hours listening to GD over the years. thousands of dollars and miles under me to go see them ...to experience that "live" GD thing we all love. having a good refference system in my living room provides me with much of the same feelings I get when i'm at a live show. I can easily be transported to any venue that i've been to...and even ones I havnent' ever seen. Good SBDs are awesome. the players are all lined up in front of me, the sounds of their instruments seem to "appear" out of thin air as they would be placed on stage...and not from the speakers themselves. Its amazing. Everthing happens between the speakers, or outside of them. Sound seem to come from everywhere in my living room, or behind me. Good AUD recordings. Well, I get reduced to tears often. Goosebumps are commonplace. The presence and thunder is all there...and the vibe in the air is perfectly captured. Its a far more accurate representation of the experience than a SBD can provide. Skeptics who have been "in the sweet spot" of my couch can attest to this. Ask Ed. :-) As a taper, its a required investment. You can't spend thousands on recording gear and then expect to hear the glory of what you capture w/o having playback equipment on par w/the recording equipment. all time favorite AUDs ? I have soo many. I mentioined a few of them, but I forgot about several that are must haves, imo. Albany 90. the schoeps mk21 FOB sources. Particularly 3-25. In that recording, the musicans are laid out in front of me just like a good SBD. Healy used to mix the band as you'd see them on stage. its amazing...when its caputred on tape that way. Brent sounds like he's coming from outside my living room walls...a good 6' outside the right speaker. Jerry is slightly off center to the right, Bobby on the left. Phil EVERYWHERE in between. The crowd is enveloping. the SBDs of this show are spectacular, but I never listen to them when this AUD source is so true to form. and no..you needn't spend thousands to get this. onecall.com has Sony STR-DA2000es and 3000es recievers for well under $500. these are magical boxes...that sound as good as a few grand in seperate componants. Match that up w/a good pair of speakers and nirvana can be yours! ------------------------------ From: "Chunk" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:54:12 -0400 "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote in message news:DAS_e.736$aB1.5287@eagle.america.net... > > "Chunk" wrote in message > news:jCQ_e.27519$X6.7757@fe05.lga... >> >> "leftie" wrote in message >> news:dhetk1$1rtf$1@agate.berkeley.edu... >>> Tom DeLay has finally gone from unidicted co-conspirator to indicted >>> conspirator! Plus, he's resigned the Speaker of the House position! >>> >>> Woohoo! Send that motherfucker to jail where he belongs!!!! >>> >>> But let's get him out of congress completely first. >>> >>> http://action.ourfuture.org >>> >>> >>> >>> "ding dong, the witch is dead...." > >> Is this the same DA Ronnie Earle that went that tried to go after Kay >> Baily Hutchinson when she ran for Senate and had his baseless case thrown >> out? > > Yes. Its also the same guy who during his tenure as DA has brought > charges against 15 elected officials. > > 12 of whom were Democrats. > > Some "partisan hack", as described by the king of partisan hacks. Did Ray say that? > > EGBH > > Yes, that's true. It doesn't mean they weren't political rivals. And shit, it ain't hard to find corruption in politics. ------------------------------ From: "Chunk" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:59:31 -0400 "Ray" wrote in message news:1128035229.656126.287420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Chunk wrote: >> "leftie" wrote in message >> news:dhetk1$1rtf$1@agate.berkeley.edu... >> > Tom DeLay has finally gone from unidicted co-conspirator to indicted >> > conspirator! Plus, he's resigned the Speaker of the House position! >> > >> > Woohoo! Send that motherfucker to jail where he belongs!!!! >> > >> > But let's get him out of congress completely first. >> > >> > http://action.ourfuture.org >> > >> > >> > >> > "ding dong, the witch is dead...." >> >> Is this the same DA Ronnie Earle that went that tried to go after Kay >> Baily >> Hutchinson when she ran for Senate and had his baseless case thrown out? >> Travis County, the home of Bill Burkitt and the forged memos? Don't get >> your hopes up. > > "Is this the same... Travis County, the home of Bill Burkitt and the > forged memos?" > > ?!? > > LOL - I think you may have outdone yourself in the ridiculous > mud-slinging dept. this time around, Chunk. And given your lengthy > record of ridiculous mud-slinging here on rmgd that's no small > accomplishment. > > Congrats, and keep up the, um, amusing work. > > Ray > If you want amusement, read the indictment. It wouldn't take long as it is pretty thin. This Earle guy is hanging out at Dem fundraiser calling Delay "Moussolini" and talking about bring him down. Come the fuck on. I am no fan of Delay, the medicare drug entitlement vote really pissed me off, but I doubt this Earle guy can prove any conspiracy even if he is guilty. They couldn't prove Barney Frank knew about the prostitution ring being run out of his house. So good luck. Having Delay step down for is short time is the only victory Earle will have with this. ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:12:45 GMT JC Martin wrote: > brew ziggins wrote: >> Thus spake Davko58@crestviewcable.com... >>> >>> Surprisingly, out here in redneck cowboy country, and especially in >>> my neighborhood of retired loggers, loaders, saw filers, construction >>> workers, fishermen, farmers, and ranchers, Suburus are everywhere. >>> >>> 25% of these people are driving 4X4 Suburus. We have weather here, >>> snow, cold, sun, heat. We have mountains, huge stretches of nothing >>> but hills, valleys and cows, and forests galore. Lots and lots of >>> dirt roads. Most people think nothing of driving miles and miles on >>> dirt roads to cut their firewood, Christmas trees, to hunt deer, >>> birds, and elk. They think nothing of driving miles and miles on >>> dirt roads to get to that special fishing spot. They tow utility >>> trailers, small heavy equipment, boats, and travel trailers. >>> >>> And they drive these 4X4 Suburus. They must be sturdy and last a >>> while, these aren't rich yuppies buying a new rig every other year. >>> These vehicles get a workout here. They can't be all that terrible. >> >> Yeah, I think Subarus thrive in tough climates. They must get bored >> touring around the Bay Area with their pampered drivers and eventually >> throw a gasket just to put themselves out of their misery. > > You guys, the complaints I'm reading are from all over the country. > Sheesh! Do a Google. I did do a Google and I still don't know what you're talking about. Why don't *you* do a Goggle and post the relevant links. We have bought but three new cars in our lives. A 1988 Volvo 240 wagon, we still have her, she has 240,000+ on her, a 2000 Subaru Forester that I used during my trout bum, mid-life sabbatical in Montana and sold when I came back to Chambana, and we just bought one of the last 2005 Foresters from a lot full of 2006s. We did our homework on all three occasions. The Subaru Forester is considered one of the most consistently reliable cars on the market by Consumer Reports, Car and Driver and any other source you care to consult. Except your version of Google apparently. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "Jay" Subject: Re: Janis on the dime Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:13:59 -0400 Hey guys I need a little help, on the dime, I cant d/l anything, it just says bad tracker info ? what gives ? ------------------------------ From: "Brian D." Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:15:09 GMT Neil X. wrote: >>> brew ziggins wrote: >>> >>> I've never heard anybody say a bad thing about them. >> >> >> One of my closest friends absolutely detests his Subaru wagon. He's >> had it to the dealer at least a dozen times, they never seem to be >> able to fix the problem the first time. He can hardly wait until he >> pays it off, says he's gonna push it off a cliff as soon as he does. >> I keep telling him that he has insurance, why wait? >> >> Peace, >> Neil X. The problem with that is that a lot of times the blue book value of the vehicle is a lot less than the pay-off amount of the loan. Insurance companies don't care what you owe, they'll only pay blue book, leaving you to deal with the difference. See also gap insurance. Brian ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: I like JGB better than GD Date: 30 Sep 2005 06:22:02 -0700 > staffino wrote: > 1. No Bob Weir singing. > 2. No Bob Weir songs. > 3. Bob Weir isn't within 50 miles of the place. > 4. Did I mention no Bob Weir singing?---staffino The Looks Like Rain from VFTV4 is fucking amazing, and just one of many reasons why your comments are ridiculous. ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:22:10 -0400 Thus spake diethylether@gmail.com... > Disclaimers up front - I generally prefer SBDs to AUDs and have a > marked preference for '60's & '70's GD vs. '80's & '90's GD. > > For AUDs that are better than the SBDs of the same show, look to the > FOB's of the MSG Sept. '90 shows, imo. Others that come to mind are > Jeff Silberman's 10.21.83, or Rango Keshavan's recordings of the Greek > '83 shows & 10.10.82. > > Some would disagree but I'd also take the AUD of 6.30.73 over the > rather flat SBD every time. > > I wouldn't call Jerry Moore's AUDs of 6.22 & 6.23.74 necessarily > "better" than the SBDs, but they provide a spectacular reference. > > When I think essential AUDs, though, I think more of AUDs of killer > shows for which no SBD circulates. Some can be a bit skeevy, but the > performances are better than a majority of shows that circulate in > crispy SBD form. And then some just sound great and are the only form > in circulation. > > A little rough but well worth it - 3.21.70, 5.7.70, 6.24.70, 9.17.70, > 11.5.70, 11.6.70, 11.8.70, 9.19.72 for starters > > Very good recordings and no SBD in circulation, fantastic shows - > 11.13.72, 7.1.73, 7.21.74, 1.10.79, 1.12.79, 1.15.79, 9.6.80, 11.29.80, > 11.30.80 set II > > I wouldn't call 6.28.76 a spectacular or particularly bad recording, > but you're not going to hear that terrific Eyes > drums > Happiness is > Drumming > Wharf Rat otherwise. Same for the 9.24.76 Playin' > > Supplication > Playin'. Or the 9.27.76 variation on the Help > Slip > > Frank suite. > > Another category - shows where the cuts in the SBD are a bit > distracting, causing me to prefer the AUD - 6.22.73 and 10.15.76 leap > to mind. This post has WAY too much meaningful and well-considered Grateful Dead content. You must be new around here. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: I like JGB better than GD Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:23:06 -0400 "Jethro Q. Walrustitty" wrote in message news:upudnWOr-_sIh6DeRVn-qA@comcast.com... > HTML = Retard = PLONK > Like you need that to be a reason? (top posting ain't much better than HMTL fwiw) ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: I like JGB better than GD Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:24:20 -0400 Thus spake swmclaughlin@NOSPAMcomcast.net... > 1. No Bob Weir singing. > 2. No Bob Weir songs. > 3. Bob Weir isn't within 50 miles of the place. > 4. Did I mention no Bob Weir singing?---staffino I agree with all of this, yet the JGB puts me right to sleep. Jerry needed Bobby to keep the tempos above flatline. -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ Reply-To: "Schmoe" From: "Schmoe" Subject: Re: Janis on the dime Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:25:36 -0400 "The Lord of Eltingville" wrote in message news:dhj5at0m6c@news2.newsguy.com... > Hop on this one. W/377 seeds, it's flying right now (my d/l sped is > averaging 800kB/s) > I'll give it a shot. Thanks. Excellent rate now (204!!!) ------------------------------ From: "Greg Sasso" Subject: Re: Umphrey's in NYC -- Yesss! Date: 30 Sep 2005 06:29:47 -0700 Eh, that show has a great 2nd set, but a pretty weak first set imo. Out of the run of 7 shows I saw, it was either 5th or 6th. ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Date: 30 Sep 2005 06:31:06 -0700 brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake diethylether@gmail.com... > > Disclaimers up front - I generally prefer SBDs to AUDs and have a > > marked preference for '60's & '70's GD vs. '80's & '90's GD. > > > > For AUDs that are better than the SBDs of the same show, look to the > > FOB's of the MSG Sept. '90 shows, imo. Others that come to mind are > > Jeff Silberman's 10.21.83, or Rango Keshavan's recordings of the Greek > > '83 shows & 10.10.82. > > > > Some would disagree but I'd also take the AUD of 6.30.73 over the > > rather flat SBD every time. > > > > I wouldn't call Jerry Moore's AUDs of 6.22 & 6.23.74 necessarily > > "better" than the SBDs, but they provide a spectacular reference. > > > > When I think essential AUDs, though, I think more of AUDs of killer > > shows for which no SBD circulates. Some can be a bit skeevy, but the > > performances are better than a majority of shows that circulate in > > crispy SBD form. And then some just sound great and are the only form > > in circulation. > > > > A little rough but well worth it - 3.21.70, 5.7.70, 6.24.70, 9.17.70, > > 11.5.70, 11.6.70, 11.8.70, 9.19.72 for starters > > > > Very good recordings and no SBD in circulation, fantastic shows - > > 11.13.72, 7.1.73, 7.21.74, 1.10.79, 1.12.79, 1.15.79, 9.6.80, 11.29.80, > > 11.30.80 set II > > > > I wouldn't call 6.28.76 a spectacular or particularly bad recording, > > but you're not going to hear that terrific Eyes > drums > Happiness is > > Drumming > Wharf Rat otherwise. Same for the 9.24.76 Playin' > > > Supplication > Playin'. Or the 9.27.76 variation on the Help > Slip > > > Frank suite. > > > > Another category - shows where the cuts in the SBD are a bit > > distracting, causing me to prefer the AUD - 6.22.73 and 10.15.76 leap > > to mind. > > > This post has WAY too much meaningful and well-considered Grateful Dead > content. You must be new around here. Well, he could play these fine auds in his Subaru while driving to an anti war protest. Mark ------------------------------ From: "tim_ratdog" Subject: Re: anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert? Date: 30 Sep 2005 06:34:42 -0700 polasus@my-deja.com wrote: > The answer to that is no. I've seen Ratdog on several occasions in > several venues and have never failed to have an enjoyable time and a > worthwhile musical experience. > > It is a different experience from seeing the Grateful Dead or the Dead > or PLQ in its various incarnations, but that is the idea, isn't it? > > I for one love the idea that Bob and the boys are out there keeping the > flame burning and I would be bummed if I couldn't see someone > performing Jerry's songs live now that he isn't here to do it himself. Absolutely. And not just Ratdog, I think Phil does a great Franklins & Row Jimmy. Now if we could just get someone to do TLEO I could rest easy as a first setter. -tim ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .