From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #444 Dead-Flames Digest #444, Volume #48 Thu, 29 Sep 05 10:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Shut Down The War Machine (JimK) Re: Gore 08 ??? ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite (JimK) Up in Smoke [NDC] ("Sean Baker") Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? (JimK) Re: Gore 08 ??? (JC Martin) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (JC Martin) Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? (John Doherty) Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (JC Martin) Re: Download Series Vol. 6 (Shawn Lucas) Re: We're Excited (NDC) (brew ziggins) Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("DGDevin") Re: Gore 08 ??? (wyeknot) Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (DG) Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (leftie) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("DGDevin") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (DG) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("DGDevin") Re: We're Excited (NDC) (JC Martin) Re: Up in Smoke [NDC] (DG) Re: We're Excited (NDC) (Ken Fortenberry) Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (JC Martin) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (JC Martin) Re: We're Excited (NDC) (JC Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimK Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:17:04 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:09:02 GMT, "DGDevin" wrote: >"JC Martin" wrote in message >news:C%T_e.683$Aw.10177@typhoon.sonic.net... >> >> I think you're just being obsessive. Getting a permit, speaking out >> before the protest as to what its intent is, strategizing with local >> enforcement is the way it's been done successfully in the past. The >> anarchist element is very small, yet impactful once it sinks its teeth >> into a gathering. Best way to solve this problem is through organization, >> not juvenile confrontation. >> >> -JC > >"Organization" is a good description of what I suggested, being prepared for >the anarchists and helping the cops deal with them in order to defend the >integrity of the demonstatrion. If you want to dismiss that as "juvenile," >cool, but let's not pretend that existing practices have done much to stop >them from doing what they wanted. If your method worked we wouldn't even >need to be discussing this, but anyone who saw previous anti-Iraq War >protests turn into frat parties gone bad knows the status quo isn't good >enough. > What the hell are you talking about? Nearly all of the anti-Iraq War rallies that I'm aware of have been remarkably peaceful for the most part. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Gore 08 ??? Date: 29 Sep 2005 09:18:29 -0700 JimK wrote: > On 29 Sep 2005 06:19:29 -0700, "Rogues Island's finest" > wrote: > > > > >JimK wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:04:33 GMT, Seth Jackson > >> wrote: > >> > >> >On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:17:50 GMT, JC Martin > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >>Well, I think there's a bigger issue here. Richardson is a Latino and > >> >>neither party is probably willing to risk nominating a minority > >> >>candidate at this stage in the game for fear of losing the general > >> >>election on race alone. I think in 12-20 years that could change. But > >> >>if Richardson wasn't a Latino, he's be a very desirable choice for the > >> >>Democrats. > >> > > >> >I would think Richardson's Latino-ness would be an asset rather than a > >> >liability. Few would hold it against him, but it would be a big draw > >> >for the Latino vote. > >> > >> I agree, but I wonder if the same would be true if his name was > >> Rodriguez or Rivera? > > > >Not sure what the Yankees have to do with this.... > > What, you think I'm going to throw in a Red Sox reference?? Don't > think so! Besides, he doesn't look like an Ortiz or Ramirez. Nope, as I said before, he looks like an O'Brien. Mark ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 29 Sep 2005 09:19:44 -0700 JimK wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:09:02 GMT, "DGDevin" > wrote: > > >"JC Martin" wrote in message > >news:C%T_e.683$Aw.10177@typhoon.sonic.net... > >> > >> I think you're just being obsessive. Getting a permit, speaking out > >> before the protest as to what its intent is, strategizing with local > >> enforcement is the way it's been done successfully in the past. The > >> anarchist element is very small, yet impactful once it sinks its teeth > >> into a gathering. Best way to solve this problem is through organization, > >> not juvenile confrontation. > >> > >> -JC > > > >"Organization" is a good description of what I suggested, being prepared for > >the anarchists and helping the cops deal with them in order to defend the > >integrity of the demonstatrion. If you want to dismiss that as "juvenile," > >cool, but let's not pretend that existing practices have done much to stop > >them from doing what they wanted. If your method worked we wouldn't even > >need to be discussing this, but anyone who saw previous anti-Iraq War > >protests turn into frat parties gone bad knows the status quo isn't good > >enough. > > > What the hell are you talking about? Nearly all of the anti-Iraq War > rallies that I'm aware of have been remarkably peaceful for the most > part. Well, as long as you don't count all the SF protester women slapping our man Joe. Mark ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:19:01 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 29 Sep 2005 16:05:29 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote: > >wyeknot (wyeknot108@oohay.com) writes: >> Mark Hood wrote: >>> "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" writes: >>> >>>>Seeger is on film grimacing as he utters the horrible words "rock and roll" >>>>and how Dylan dared to play that total crap. He complained about the sound >>>>too, but he simply hated all music other than his own. >>> >>> >>> Well, it *was* the Newport *Folk* Festival, after all. >>> >>> After listening to acoustic folk music all day, a band coming on stage >>> with loud distorted electric instruments and vocals had to be somewhat >>> jarring even for folks who liked the new electric songs. >> >> If I'm not mistaken they had showed footage of electric blues/r&b from >> the festival already. So I don't think Dylan was the first electrified >> act. Might have been the loudest though - who knows. >> >> Matt > >I think the Butterfield Blues Band, who backed him, were there already. >I can't remember where I read this, but sometime in the past I had come >across something about that. > > Michael And Muddy Waters (or was it Howlin' Wolf) also played at that Festival. JimK ------------------------------ From: "Sean Baker" Subject: Up in Smoke [NDC] Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:20:31 -0500 Seems the forests could not preserve this crop. http://tinyurl.com/c7vfd Peace, Sean -- "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." Hunter S. Thompson My music list for trades: http://db.etree.org/FionaRCB ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:20:24 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 29 Sep 2005 07:07:28 -0700, "Roger" wrote: > >Seth Jackson wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:29:46 GMT, Tim Donohoe >> wrote: >> >> >> Great news... Let's hope they get this thing over with before bushie >> >> can pardon this criminal. >> >> >> >> >> >Lets hope they DELAY it so Bush can't Pardon him >> >> If I'm not mistaken, a conviction isn't a prerequisite for a pardon. > >HRYK. Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, who hadn't been convicted of >anything. > >Roger So if Bush pardons Delay before he's convicted, would that be a preemptive pardon? JimK ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Gore 08 ??? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:24:56 GMT JimK wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:09:01 GMT, JC Martin > wrote: > > >>Rogues Island's finest wrote: >> >>>JimK wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:04:33 GMT, Seth Jackson >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:17:50 GMT, JC Martin >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Well, I think there's a bigger issue here. Richardson is a Latino and >>>>>>neither party is probably willing to risk nominating a minority >>>>>>candidate at this stage in the game for fear of losing the general >>>>>>election on race alone. I think in 12-20 years that could change. But >>>>>>if Richardson wasn't a Latino, he's be a very desirable choice for the >>>>>>Democrats. >>>>> >>>>>I would think Richardson's Latino-ness would be an asset rather than a >>>>>liability. Few would hold it against him, but it would be a big draw >>>>>for the Latino vote. >>>> >>>>I agree, but I wonder if the same would be true if his name was >>>>Rodriguez or Rivera? >>> >>> >>>Not sure what the Yankees have to do with this.... >>> >>> >>> >>>>The voting population is so uninformed these >>>>days, I think most wouldn't even realize that Richardson is a Latino. >>> >>> >>>While I agree that the electorate in general is pretty uninformed (see: >>>Patrick Kennedy, D-RI), this is one thing that they shouldn't care >>>about. I certainly don't. >>> >>>Besides, Richardson looks like a chubby Irish guy more than he does a >>>Latino. >> >> >> >>Doesn't matter what he looks like or even his politics. The media and >>Richardson himself would have no problem educating the public on his >>ethnicity. Many of you are just naive. White America isn't ready to >>hand over the most powerful position in the world to a Latino, which is >>the reason Richardson unfortunately won't be nominated. It's not that >>it's right. It's just the reality of a white culture which fears the >>unknown. >> >>-JC > > > Who are the "you" that you're calling naive? Gee, it's not like I called someone a moron or a pussy. I'm just someone who grasps this reality. It's a strong opinion that you're entitled to disagree with. I'll consider you naive on this point, no biggie in the big scheme of things, and I'd even put money down that Richardson isn't nominated despite being otherwise the most desirable candidate in the Democratic Party. I know it's not popular to consider race in most political issues, so I'm ready for the dissent. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:26:21 GMT DGDevin wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:C%T_e.683$Aw.10177@typhoon.sonic.net... > >>I think you're just being obsessive. Getting a permit, speaking out >>before the protest as to what its intent is, strategizing with local >>enforcement is the way it's been done successfully in the past. The >>anarchist element is very small, yet impactful once it sinks its teeth >>into a gathering. Best way to solve this problem is through organization, >>not juvenile confrontation. >> >>-JC > > > "Organization" is a good description of what I suggested, being prepared for > the anarchists and helping the cops deal with them in order to defend the > integrity of the demonstatrion. If you want to dismiss that as "juvenile," > cool, but let's not pretend that existing practices have done much to stop > them from doing what they wanted. If your method worked we wouldn't even > need to be discussing this, but anyone who saw previous anti-Iraq War > protests turn into frat parties gone bad knows the status quo isn't good > enough. But it has worked and majority of protests don't turn into frat parties. You're simply over exaggerating. -JC ------------------------------ From: John Doherty Subject: Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:26:22 -0400 In article , "Richard Morris" wrote: > "John Doherty" wrote in message > news:jgnospamdoherty-0CDE89.15221128092005@comcast.dca.giganews.com... > > In article <1127927086.398443.253310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" wrote: > > > >> There'll be swinging, swaying and music playing > >> And dancing in the street > >> > >> Next........ > > > > > > > > > > ....will it be Frist indictment over the "blind" trust insider stock > > sale? > > > > > > ...or maybe the rumored Rove indictment in October? > > > > I read recently that the GOP government corruption is likely > > unprecedented. Can you recall a similar scenario when the Dems (or any > > other party in history) controlled the Presidency, the Senate & House, > > and there were criminal investigations into all three branches (or their > > leaders, in the case of congress)? > > The Reagan and NIxon administrations. When during the Reagan & Nixon administrations did the GOP control the House & the Senate? what we are seeing now is a demonstration of Burke's classic observation that: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:28:27 GMT DGDevin wrote: > "Seth Jackson" wrote in message > news:792nj19dafn8etebscqrp4lnc8gup7jkup@4ax.com... > >>>>One more criminall scumball out of office means one more step toward the >>>>three things that you mention above that are desirable. >>> >>>Okay, who has the list of Clinton business associates and political >>>subordinates who went to prison.... >> >>And this would matter because...? > > > Richard said it was about integrity and honesty and justice, there are times > when it seems like folks around here only welcome those things when it's a > Repub being ground beneath the wheels of the courts, there seem to be memory > lapses and long silences when it's a Dem on his way to the clink. Not to > cut "The Hammer" any slack, he strikes me as a monster asshole, if he's > proven guilty, lock the bastard up. Why are using the Republican playbook all the while standing behind the mask of independent thinking. These are red herrings. -JC ------------------------------ From: slucas_2@ya_nospam_hoo.com (Shawn Lucas) Subject: Re: Download Series Vol. 6 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:29:29 GMT On 29 Sep 2005 08:13:44 -0700, pbuzby2002@yahoo.com wrote: > >pbuzby2002@yahoo.com wrote: >> David Gans wrote: >> > David Lemieux sent me the October download and I'm going to >> > sneak-preview some of it tonight at 8pm pdt on KPFA. >> >> So, what show was it, folks? > >Found it myself on trufun.com... > >Caution-> >Feedback - Grateful Dead 3/17/68 Carousel Ballroom, SF (Download vol. >6. Release date: Tuesday 10/4/05) > >Pat Buzby >Chicago, IL > Good for them...they found one that doesn't currently circulate...I second the cost notion on these. Its just too much for a BYODisc release. ------------------------------ From: brew ziggins Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:30:13 -0400 Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... > Ken Fortenberry wrote: > > Seth Jackson wrote: > > > >> > >> What Lexus? Volvo all the way! > > > > > > Anymore Volvos are just overpriced Fords. Volvo > > hasn't built a really good, just plain car for > > the economy conscious since the 240. > > > > The Subara Forester is the new Volvo. > > > Subarus have major problems after 80k-100k miles, at least according to > reviews on the net and one of my friends who owns. Our Forester is over 120K and it's been smooth sailing all the way. Subaru is easily the #1 car here in the PRoI, what with the snow and the hills and the four-wheel drive, and I've never heard anybody say a bad thing about them. FWIW -- bruce higgins ithaca ny most of the day, we were at the machinery ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:36:18 GMT "JC Martin" wrote in message news:LCU_e.694$Aw.10455@typhoon.sonic.net... > Why are using the Republican playbook all the while standing behind the > mask of independent thinking. These are red herrings. > > -JC In other words, let's forget the history we find inconvenient or embarrassing, and pretend only the *other* party is capable of corruption. Yeah, real productive approach. And you wonder why the Dems have so much trouble convincing the voters they're any better than the Repubs.... ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Subject: Re: Gore 08 ??? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:38:34 -0400 JimK wrote: > On 29 Sep 2005 06:19:29 -0700, "Rogues Island's finest" > wrote: > >>JimK wrote: >>>I agree, but I wonder if the same would be true if his name was >>>Rodriguez or Rivera? > >>Not sure what the Yankees have to do with this.... > > What, you think I'm going to throw in a Red Sox reference?? Don't > think so! Besides, he doesn't look like an Ortiz or Ramirez. Don't they swing away, ala Dominican stick ball, with absolutely no plate discipline though?!?! #### Matt ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:39:21 -0700 Chunk wrote: > >leftie wrote > >> Tom DeLay has finally gone from unidicted co-conspirator to indicted >> conspirator! Plus, he's resigned the Speaker of the House position! >> >> Woohoo! Send that motherfucker to jail where he belongs!!!! >> >> But let's get him out of congress completely first. >> >> http://action.ourfuture.org >> >> >> >> "ding dong, the witch is dead...." > >Is this the same DA Ronnie Earle that went that tried to go after Kay Baily >Hutchinson when she ran for Senate and had his baseless case thrown out? And this relates to Delays move how? As if other DAs have not had cases dismissed. >Travis County, the home of Bill Burkitt and the forged memos? Don't get >your hopes up. Did you see the 60 minutes piece on Earle? He came across as a good man. Texas needs a few of them to clean up the scum that seems to have risen to the top of the state/nation. ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:39:31 -0700 DGDevin wrote: > In other words, let's forget the history we find inconvenient or > embarrassing, and pretend only the *other* party is capable of corruption. > Yeah, real productive approach. And you wonder why the Dems have so much > trouble convincing the voters they're any better than the Repubs.... We know how you feel about Clinton. And the Democrats. What is your position on DeLay? ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:39:31 GMT "JC Martin" wrote in message news:NAU_e.693$Aw.10546@typhoon.sonic.net... > But it has worked and majority of protests don't turn into frat parties. > You're simply over exaggerating. > > -JC Right, all those arrests in SF, the cops working overtime days on end, the tear gas and baton rounds flying around outside the Oakland docks, the blocked streets, Highway Patrol eyeballing anyone getting near the bridges, I must have imagined all that.... ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:40:07 -0700 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > >Chunk wrote > > >> leftie wrote >>> >>> Tom DeLay has finally gone from unidicted co-conspirator to indicted >>> conspirator! Plus, he's resigned the Speaker of the House position! >>> >>> Woohoo! Send that motherfucker to jail where he belongs!!!! >>> >>> But let's get him out of congress completely first. >>> >>> http://action.ourfuture.org >>> >>> >>> >>> "ding dong, the witch is dead...." > >> Is this the same DA Ronnie Earle that went that tried to go after Kay >> Baily Hutchinson when she ran for Senate and had his baseless case thrown >> out? > >Yes. Its also the same guy who during his tenure as DA has brought charges >against 15 elected officials. > >12 of whom were Democrats. > >Some "partisan hack", as described by the king of partisan hacks. "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," says Earle. "It sort of comes with the territory. But that’s my job. That’s what I’m supposed to do." ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:41:06 GMT "JimK" wrote in message news:pn4oj1tuvnshket1u90neb55r4ho5pal5a@4ax.com... > Exactly my point. But when has DG ever conceded that someone else > might have a valid point? > > JimK Ah here we go, ad hominem, I keep forgetting that being stubborn enough to defend your beliefs don't go well around here if those beliefs differ from the official party line.... ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:42:54 GMT brew ziggins wrote: > Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... > >>Ken Fortenberry wrote: >> >>>Seth Jackson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>What Lexus? Volvo all the way! >>> >>> >>>Anymore Volvos are just overpriced Fords. Volvo >>>hasn't built a really good, just plain car for >>>the economy conscious since the 240. >>> >>>The Subara Forester is the new Volvo. >> >> >>Subarus have major problems after 80k-100k miles, at least according to >>reviews on the net and one of my friends who owns. > > > Our Forester is over 120K and it's been smooth sailing all the way. > Subaru is easily the #1 car here in the PRoI, what with the snow and the > hills and the four-wheel drive, and I've never heard anybody say a bad > thing about them. Do a Google. There's been engine problems with a few of the models. I have a Honda Accord with over 250k miles. No engine problems at all. -JC ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: Up in Smoke [NDC] Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:44:10 -0700 Sean Baker wrote: > >Seems the forests could not preserve this crop. > >http://tinyurl.com/c7vfd > >Peace, > >Sean Here is what is going on in Sonoma County: http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050721/NEWS/507210332 ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:47:33 GMT JC Martin wrote: > brew ziggins wrote: >> Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... >>> Ken Fortenberry wrote: >>>> Seth Jackson wrote: >>>>> What Lexus? Volvo all the way! >>>> >>>> Anymore Volvos are just overpriced Fords. Volvo >>>> hasn't built a really good, just plain car for >>>> the economy conscious since the 240. >>>> >>>> The Subara Forester is the new Volvo. >>> >>> Subarus have major problems after 80k-100k miles, at least according >>> to reviews on the net and one of my friends who owns. >> >> Our Forester is over 120K and it's been smooth sailing all the way. >> Subaru is easily the #1 car here in the PRoI, what with the snow and >> the hills and the four-wheel drive, and I've never heard anybody say a >> bad thing about them. > > Do a Google. There's been engine problems with a few of the models. I > have a Honda Accord with over 250k miles. No engine problems at all. Where do you live ? Around here a Honda Accord with 250k would be nothing *but* engine, all the rest having long since rusted away. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:49:27 GMT DGDevin wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:LCU_e.694$Aw.10455@typhoon.sonic.net... > > >>Why are using the Republican playbook all the while standing behind the >>mask of independent thinking. These are red herrings. >> >>-JC > > > In other words, let's forget the history we find inconvenient or > embarrassing, and pretend only the *other* party is capable of corruption. That's your argument, not mine. Your just obsessed with being right. Your rhetoric mirrors exactly what I hear from Limbaugh on the radio as well. I'm concerned about the country's future and the extreme partisanship that has resulted from the Bush administration's tactics. You're worried about Clinton. > Yeah, real productive approach. And you wonder why the Dems have so much > trouble convincing the voters they're any better than the Repubs.... I have no problem understanding the Democratic Party's problems and I've been very vocal about it here actually. But your game is so transparent. How long are you going play this idea out that anyone who criticizes the Republicans are former apologists for the Democratic Party? Open your eyes and look what's going on NOW. -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:51:05 GMT DGDevin wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:NAU_e.693$Aw.10546@typhoon.sonic.net... > > >>But it has worked and majority of protests don't turn into frat parties. >>You're simply over exaggerating. >> >>-JC > > > Right, all those arrests in SF, the cops working overtime days on end, the > tear gas and baton rounds flying around outside the Oakland docks, the > blocked streets, Highway Patrol eyeballing anyone getting near the bridges, > I must have imagined all that.... The MAJORITY of protests don't turn into a frat parties. That's a fact. You're a fuckin' drama queen, aren't you? -JC ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:52:23 GMT Ken Fortenberry wrote: > JC Martin wrote: > >> brew ziggins wrote: >> >>> Thus spake jcmartin@sonic.net... >>> >>>> Ken Fortenberry wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seth Jackson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What Lexus? Volvo all the way! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anymore Volvos are just overpriced Fords. Volvo >>>>> hasn't built a really good, just plain car for >>>>> the economy conscious since the 240. >>>>> >>>>> The Subara Forester is the new Volvo. >>>> >>>> >>>> Subarus have major problems after 80k-100k miles, at least according >>>> to reviews on the net and one of my friends who owns. >>> >>> >>> Our Forester is over 120K and it's been smooth sailing all the way. >>> Subaru is easily the #1 car here in the PRoI, what with the snow and >>> the hills and the four-wheel drive, and I've never heard anybody say >>> a bad thing about them. >> >> >> Do a Google. There's been engine problems with a few of the models. >> I have a Honda Accord with over 250k miles. No engine problems at all. > > > Where do you live ? Around here a Honda Accord with 250k > would be nothing *but* engine, all the rest having long > since rusted away. LOL Well, that may true. -JC ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .