From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #442 Dead-Flames Digest #442, Volume #48 Thu, 29 Sep 05 05:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (Seth Jackson) Re: essential AUD recordings... (Seth Jackson) Re: Sweden's New Funeral Rite (Real Dead Content) ("Walter Karmazyn") Best Music Forums / Sites ( campu2.net )............................#GG765 ("campu2.net") Re: TRISTAN GOT HIS LICENSE!!!! (Steve Lenier) Oh Yeah....b (Walter Karmazyn) Re: 3 Brazilian killed in Iraq, Bush inconsolable (Steve Lenier) Re: all the insults for fat people (lorincantrell@yahoo.com) Re: essential AUD recordings... (Shawn Lucas) Re: "Blows Against The Empire" re-re-reissue (zenarus@fuse.net) Re: Download Series Vol. 6 ("Olompali4") Re: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] ("dearmeyer®") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("Don Bean") Re: We're Excited (NDC) (Ken Fortenberry) Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) ("Chunk") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("pv34pv3p") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:27:01 GMT On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:20:21 GMT, "DGDevin" wrote: >> One more criminall scumball out of office means one more step toward the >> three things that you mention above that are desirable. > >Okay, who has the list of Clinton business associates and political >subordinates who went to prison.... And this would matter because...? ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:29:57 GMT On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:23:18 -0700, Kelly Humphries wrote: >Dunno if it's even at the archive, but 4/17/84 Niagara Falls is an >example of a not-that-great show enshrined on a terrific audience >tape. Details already provided by (former) rmgd'er Gordon Sharpless: > >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.gdead/msg/91df5319a47e3c94?hl=en& The show as a whole might not be that great, but the Slipknot! is an all-time super-twisted classic. A truly great Aud is the one from 4/23/77. It probably doesn't get much notice, though, because there is also a pristine SBD available at the site. Most people choose the SBD. I have both. ------------------------------ From: "Walter Karmazyn" Subject: Re: Sweden's New Funeral Rite (Real Dead Content) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:58:18 -0700 scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote in message <1127924802.023518.25940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... >This is very interesting... I like the idea of becoming a tree after >I'm buried. > >Theresa >------------------------------------------ > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/28/wfreez28.xm l&sSheet=/portal/2005/09/28/ixportal.html > >Sweden's new funeral rite - bodies freeze-dried, powdered and made into >tree mulch >By Kate Connolly in Berlin >(Filed: 28/09/2005) > article, make comments: Hey Theresa, here's what's happening here, more traditional and organic.... W Then another article: Marin cemetery: Ashes to ashes, dust to mulch Peter Fimrite, Chronicle Staff Writer Sunday, August 22, 2004 Marsha Goldberg has every intention of pushing up daisies when she dies. Daisies, wildflowers and a big redwood tree, too. Goldberg is calling dibs on her choice of burial sites on a hilly, forested 32-acre stretch of land in Mill Valley, where she is making plans to become fertilizer at the country's first permanently protected cemetery, nature preserve and wildlife sanctuary. The plan, by the new owners of the Daphne Fernwood Cemetery, off Tennessee Valley Road in unincorporated Mill Valley, is the latest manifestation of environmentally conscious Marin County's spiritual embrace of the extraordinary. It is, in essence, a back-to-nature movement for the dead. "There is something about being put into this natural setting that really, really appeals to me," said Goldberg of Daly City. "It's the idea of being an integrated part of nature. We take so much from the earth. To give back in a small way seems the least I could do." The grand scheme was hatched by Billy Campbell, a physician and environmentalist, Tyler Cassity, a funeral aficionado, and Joe Sehee, an expert on socially responsible business. Their purchase of the cemetery, which will be renamed Forever Fernwood, closed escrow Thursday. The state Department of Commerce's cemetery and funeral bureau, which licenses all private burial grounds in California, approved the transfer of title July 1. What they plan to do is restore the native habitat of the area, establish an interpretive center and open the whole kit and caboodle up to hikers, nature lovers, schoolchildren, and even birthing and wedding ceremonies. Traditional funerals and cremation scatterings would continue on the land, but most burials would prohibit embalming, allow only biodegradable caskets and require natural grave markers, like planted shrubs, trees or boulders. The land would then be protected by a conservation easement, and the burial endowments would be used to maintain the park and remove eucalyptus and other nonnative species. "It will be a nature preserve that happens to sell interment rights," Sehee said. "The concept is to sell interment rights on 5 percent of the land and use the endowment from that 5 percent to preserve the rest as open space. In essence, we will use existing cemetery law to conserve land and protect it in perpetuity with a conservation easement." If all goes as planned, Campbell said, Daphne Fernwood would be the pilot project in a sweeping movement to protect a million acres of land over the next 30 years by turning cemeteries into open space preserves. "We are trying to redefine what these spaces are for," Campbell said. "We want to create multiuse nature parks where people can learn about the geology, anthropology and natural history of the site in addition to learning who is buried there." Armed with only scant information about the concept, 500 people, including Goldberg, have nonetheless put their names on a waiting list for interment in Marin County. About four dozen property owners and funeral directors from around the country have also expressed an interest in creating other nature cemeteries, Sehee said. The idea has its roots in a burgeoning green burial movement in England, where some 150 woodland burial grounds are now in use. It is, in many ways, a rejection of a funeral industry that some feel has lost its relevance. Fewer families, especially in tough economic times, are willing to pay huge sums for a burial plot, headstone and the plush, airtight casket that is recommended. A typical funeral in the United States now costs about $7,000, and can reach $15,000 or more depending on the burial location and various accoutrements, according to funeral industry experts. Americans spend $15 billion a year in funeral costs. And then there's the upkeep: Just keeping the lawns green can cost a cemetery as much as $15,000 a month. Green cemeteries are not only a cheap alternative, but bolster the view held by a growing number of people that, upon death, human bodies should be returned to Mother Nature. "This is not creepy Blair Witch Project stuff," Campbell said. "It's restoring that connection between people and the land." Campbell, 48, got the idea of a cemetery/nature preserve after his father died unexpectedly in 1985. He said the funeral was so impersonal and expensive that he began exploring alternatives. He eventually founded Memorial Ecosystems, in Westminster, S.C., and in 1998, opened Ramsey Creek Memorial Nature Preserve, a tiny backwoods cemetery about 12 miles from the Chattooga River, where the movie "Deliverance" was filmed. The cemetery has been host to 30 green burials and has sold interment rights for about 100 more, but Campbell always had bigger plans. It was Cassity, the president of Forever Enterprises, in Clayton, Mo., who made those plans possible. Cassity bought Hollywood Forever Cemetery in 1998 and turned the lonely, neglected resting spot for old silver-screen stars into the kind of New Age destination spot that Tinseltown craves. He offered video tributes to the lives of the deceased, viewable for eternity at kiosks and on the Internet. His annual Rudolph Valentino film festival, held on the cemetery grounds where the star is buried, has become a phenomenon in Los Angeles, attracting thousands. Cassity, an entrepreneur undertaker if there ever was one, was intrigued by the green cemetery concept and heard through the grapevine about Campbell's vision, so he called him up. The two men hit it off -- both convinced that the funeral industry had lost touch with the American public -- and agreed to join forces with Sehee, Cassity's publicist and an expert on nonprofits. They began looking for a cemetery where they could combine their visions, bringing new life to the graveyard, so to speak. Daphne Fernwood, with dozens of broken and weathered headstones from the late 19th century scattered on hillsides and amid the trees, seemed perfect. It is not only forested, but it borders miles of Golden Gate National Recreation Area land. Cassity envisions a kind of virtual cemetery, with burial sites revealed only electronically or through the Internet. "You would walk through with a handheld device, like a Palm Pilot, and, as you walked through, the device would be triggered by GPS (Global Positioning Satellite) points," said Cassity. "It's the perfect marriage of the completely natural and completely virtual so that the memorial aspect is invisible unless you choose to see it." Marin County, the nation's unofficial capital of alternative religion, appears to be an ideal launching pad for such a project. About 80 percent of people who die in Marin are cremated, according to funeral industry experts. Ron Hast, the editor and publisher of Mortuary Management magazine, said the soaring cremation rate is a reflection of a nationwide -- albeit less pronounced -- trend rejecting traditional religious funeral rites. Almost 48 percent of Californians and 27.78 percent of people nationwide choose cremation, both all-time highs, according to Cremation Association of America statistics. "There is no better place to do this than Marin," Hast said. "They have a high cremation rate, a community that has plenty of money, and it is open to things that are unique." Cassity said it is telling that only 15 percent of cremains scattered by the Neptune Society are witnessed or involve a ceremony and, often, relatives never even pick up remains from the funeral home. "We want to encourage people to have memorial rituals or at least do something more than make a phone call and have the body disappear," he said. During a recent hike through the cemetery property, Cassity stood on a hillside in the middle of a thicket, trees all around, and swept his arm from a stand of oaks across a valley toward nearby Mount Tamalpais. "This is what the cemetery will look like," he said. "Like nature." It is the kind of place that Goldberg wants to be, forever. She isn't dying but likes the idea so much that she is almost looking forward to the day. "I always wanted to be buried wrapped only in a shroud under a redwood tree," said Goldberg, who would not reveal her age, but believes she is old enough to begin contemplating her mortality. "I told them I want to be first on the list." ------------------------------ From: "campu2.net" Subject: Best Music Forums / Sites ( campu2.net )............................#GG765 Date: 29 Sep 2005 00:00:06 -0700 Best Music Forums / Sites Active forums and quality websites http://campu2.net Do you have an active forum or quality music site? 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From: Steve Lenier in article 1127935734.014010.199300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, scarletbgonias@hotmail.com at scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote on 9/28/05 12:28 PM: > Nice car! I just love those muscle cars from the 60s. Give me a '67 > Shelby GT500 anyday. Yeah baby. > > Muscle cars were better in the 60s (and 70s) > > Theresa > This wasn't really muscled up, but zippy and cool...automatic with shifter on the floor, back turn signals that lit up three across but one at a time...very fun to run around in, and the car gained a bit of a reputation in that small town...my sis drove a Malibu, with a 494 engine, I believe it was...now THAT had muscle, the thing could kick my Cougar's ass BAD...me and a friend almost died in that car, but that's a story for another time :) here are some pics that quite well represent my Cougar, the car in the pics is a step up from what I had http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/coug6701.htm#tell and mine was white top and bottom...interior very similar to what's in the pic, not quite as nice if I found a nice one today, I'd be very tempted to buy it (especially the convertible) Steve ------------------------------ From: Walter Karmazyn Subject: Oh Yeah....b Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:55:03 -0700 That.... Test your knowledge of obscure and forgotten news.... Unfortunately, too much of America falls in this realm... W http://www.markfiore.com/animation/that.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:16:08 -0700 Subject: Re: 3 Brazilian killed in Iraq, Bush inconsolable From: Steve Lenier in article oFB_e.920$lc1.375@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com, Dave Kelly at sweetbac@pacbell.net wrote on 9/28/05 11:54 AM: > > "Steve Lenier" wrote in message > news:BF5F7C8B.319C2%slenier@comcast.net... > >> I liked it :) Teri thought it was weak. >> >> Steve > Steve > What is teri wearing right about now? not a whole lot :) > ...and just so we're on the same page..uh...Teri > is a chick, right?.... last time I checked, which was about 4 hours ago... Steve ------------------------------ From: lorincantrell@yahoo.com Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.tv,rec.food.cooking Subject: Re: all the insults for fat people Date: 29 Sep 2005 01:21:20 -0700 Better be careful. In the old days you could make fun of us with impunity, but our ranks are growing, both literally and figuratively. We'll sit on you. We will. And an episode of CSI told me that can be quite fatal. And everyone knows that "lardass" is the Cadillac of fat terms. Stand by Me is a classic. -beaumon ------------------------------ From: slucas_2@ya_nospam_hoo.com (Shawn Lucas) Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:57:39 GMT and while you're in '81, might as well pick up 5/16/81 Cornell very nice Shakedown. Somethin in the H2O in Ithaca I tell ya... Shawn On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:17:25 -0400, "Bzl." wrote: >3/9&10/81 MSG > > wrote in message >news:1127943987.693238.309710@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> can anyone point me to stellar >> GD aud recordings on archive.org? >> something that will make me rethink >> my preference for soundboards... >> >> >> thanks, >> >> -matt >> > > ------------------------------ From: zenarus@fuse.net Subject: Re: "Blows Against The Empire" re-re-reissue Date: 29 Sep 2005 03:15:36 -0700 volkfolk wrote: > "Dave Kelly" wrote in message > news:_wI_e.7541$6e1.1337@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > Yesterday, I found the newest re-ish of Paul Kantners > > 1970 masterpiece "Blows Against The Empire" > > I think this is the 3rd time it's been remastered on cd. > > I'm a sucker for this album...the packaging is wonderful... > > 2 booklets of stuff...new interviews....grace slick drawings... > > 5 bonus cuts...Grace's acoustic "Sunrise" demo...a '70 > > Fillmore West Airplane version of "Starship"...2 hidden > > tracks at the end with radio ads for the album...who plays > > what on each track....Peter Kaukonen - Lead guitar on > > "Mau-Mau"?....Cool!... > > Essential. > > > > Sweetbac Productions > > We ARE the egg snatchers!!!!! > > nuff said > > Scot ........Possibly the best dope smoking album of all time..I've bought so many incarnations of this album its pathetic...And yes now as soon as I can,(get the bucks)I'll be buying this one too. ------------------------------ From: "Olompali4" Subject: Re: Download Series Vol. 6 Date: 29 Sep 2005 03:46:56 -0700 >How many have you bought, preacher? Absolutely none. I think the price is out of whack. I am buying the Dead Ahead DVD for 17.99 somewhere on Nov. 1st. ------------------------------ From: "dearmeyer®" Subject: Re: Nemo and the Giant Squid [NDC] Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:05:55 -0500 Sure it wasn't the spaghetti monster? ------------------------------ From: "Don Bean" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:48:17 -0400 The white house called this guy 'a good ally'.... Time to clean up the garbage... This country is better off without this guy.. Bean "leftie" wrote in message news:dhetk1$1rtf$1@agate.berkeley.edu... > Tom DeLay has finally gone from unidicted co-conspirator to indicted > conspirator! Plus, he's resigned the Speaker of the House position! > > Woohoo! Send that motherfucker to jail where he belongs!!!! > > But let's get him out of congress completely first. > > http://action.ourfuture.org > > > > "ding dong, the witch is dead...." ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:48:34 GMT Seth Jackson wrote: > > What Lexus? Volvo all the way! Anymore Volvos are just overpriced Fords. Volvo hasn't built a really good, just plain car for the economy conscious since the 240. The Subara Forester is the new Volvo. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "Chunk" Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:54:45 -0400 "leftie" wrote in message news:dhetk1$1rtf$1@agate.berkeley.edu... > Tom DeLay has finally gone from unidicted co-conspirator to indicted > conspirator! Plus, he's resigned the Speaker of the House position! > > Woohoo! Send that motherfucker to jail where he belongs!!!! > > But let's get him out of congress completely first. > > http://action.ourfuture.org > > > > "ding dong, the witch is dead...." Is this the same DA Ronnie Earle that went that tried to go after Kay Baily Hutchinson when she ran for Senate and had his baseless case thrown out? Travis County, the home of Bill Burkitt and the forged memos? Don't get your hopes up. ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 29 Sep 2005 04:58:00 -0700 >> And Joe gets a free fuckin' pass??? He started the shit to begin >> with... >> pv34pv3p(You freakin Joe appologist morons are amazing....) >You and Joe are different .... There's an epihany... Tom Donohoe spate: >I don't remember the last time I read one of his posts. Long term loss of short term memory... He started this thread.... >If Joe jumped off the bridge, would you? Only if there was the possibility of rescuing his dumb ass... pv34pv3p(Always hated water rescues...) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .