From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #441 Dead-Flames Digest #441, Volume #48 Thu, 29 Sep 05 00:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("DGDevin") Re: Download Series Vol. 6 ("Richard Morris") global warming ("frndthdevl") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("DGDevin") 7/23/77 JGB FLAC Permavine noB noP ("bmcm1m961") Re: Gore 08 ??? (Seth Jackson) Re: 3 Brazilian killed in Iraq, Bush inconsolable (Seth Jackson) Re: Todays Lunch. ("Richard Morris") 7/23/77 JGB FLAC Permavine noB noP ("bmcm1m961") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("DGDevin") Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? (Seth Jackson) Re: We're Excited (NDC) (Seth Jackson) 7/7/81 and 7/4/81 FLAC vine, No B No P. ("bmcm1m961") Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) (Seth Jackson) Re: essential AUD recordings... (Seth Jackson) Re: Sweden's New Funeral Rite (Real Dead Content) ("Walter Karmazyn") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:00:04 GMT "JimK" wrote in message news:dnkmj15vl7nc3gl9tc6ilakdj2j3nv44tr@4ax.com... > So then it seems we're all in agreement that as a practical matter, > there's little the nonviolent protestors can do to prevent the violent > ones from doing their thing, at least not without placing themselves > at risk. I don't agree, I think there's a lot they can do, and as for the risk, there are few things worth doing that don't involve some kind of risk. If the real protestors think what they are doing is important enough, surely they would want it not to be corrupted by parasitic anarchists. > There's no need for peaceful protestors to act as spies and > vigilantes. Is someone who calls the cops when they see vandalism or arson or assault a "spy," a "vigilante"? Why would our usual expectations of looking out for our neighbors be suspended simply because a protest march is going on? If some asshole fascist agitator bounced a brick off your head, wouldn't you want those around you to call 911? > This really boils down to a P.R. issue, and the best thing > the nonviolent groups can do is be more effective in publicly > distinguishing themselves from the hardcore troublemakers. That's part of it, but if they can reasonably reduce the impact of the intentional troublemakers by shining a bright light on them and alerting the cops to their activities, why not? ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Download Series Vol. 6 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:00:51 -0700 "DG" wrote in message news:g2nmj199l5ti5p3a1g0pbikkhkv4t2p3ua@4ax.com... > Olompali4 wrote: >> >>>The price should be $9.99. >> >>Testify Brother! >>You have a witness. >>Gans, spread the word! > > > How many have you bought, preacher? What if we all pitch in a dollar and ... and ... hmmm. ;) R. ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: global warming Date: 28 Sep 2005 23:01:38 -0700 now that will get the attention of the so called enlightened nocal folks. If you were within 100 miles of Bromberg's 4 bay Are shows this past week(inlcuding the High Sierra brewery show) and did not take in a show,well......pretty telling IMHO So folks should listen to any of you NOW? IDTS ymmv lol ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:02:36 GMT "JC Martin" wrote in message news:nJI_e.651$Aw.9677@typhoon.sonic.net... > Lying daily and apologizing for criminal behavior is getting one's shit > together? Sad. > > -JC Losing election after election and letting the opposition have their way with the country for want of political competence, now *that* is sad. ------------------------------ From: "bmcm1m961" Subject: 7/23/77 JGB FLAC Permavine noB noP Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:22:57 GMT Thanks to BigChuck, I have this show to pass on to the first person to email me their snail mail address who promises to pass on the two original Taiyo Yuden discs to someone else here on rmgd after making a copy of each disc for yourself. Email me by removing ALL the m's that are shown in my email address. It's a SBD, 2 discs, early and late shows. NOTE that this is in FLAC format and needs to be uncompressed to regular audio files. Thanks ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: Gore 08 ??? Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:04:33 GMT On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:17:50 GMT, JC Martin wrote: >Well, I think there's a bigger issue here. Richardson is a Latino and >neither party is probably willing to risk nominating a minority >candidate at this stage in the game for fear of losing the general >election on race alone. I think in 12-20 years that could change. But >if Richardson wasn't a Latino, he's be a very desirable choice for the >Democrats. I would think Richardson's Latino-ness would be an asset rather than a liability. Few would hold it against him, but it would be a big draw for the Latino vote. ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: 3 Brazilian killed in Iraq, Bush inconsolable Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:07:00 GMT On 28 Sep 2005 12:50:51 -0700, "bongo" wrote: > >> I liked it :) Teri thought it was weak. > >Gotta admit, Bush being reduced to tears over even >a brazilian deaths does strain suspension of disbelief >a bit... Unless they were all oil executives. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Todays Lunch. Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:10:52 -0700 "toledo44" wrote in message news:1127960021.598169.101070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > MAN YOU ARE LIVIN THE LIFE. > SOUNDS LIKE THE PERFICT DAY IN SF. > Yep. I bet he went and had a brisket and a beer for an afternoon snack. And then went down and flashed a "show me your tits" sign to the muni riders during the rush hour as the trains went by. Er ah ... how did that work for you Dave? R. ------------------------------ From: "bmcm1m961" Subject: 7/23/77 JGB FLAC Permavine noB noP Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:33:56 GMT (Take two) Thanks to BigChuck, I have this show to pass on to the first person to email me their snail mail address who promises to pass on the two original Taiyo Yuden discs to someone else here on rmgd after making a copy of each disc for yourself. Email me by removing ALL the m's that are shown in my email address. It's a SBD, 2 discs, early and late shows. Note that this is in FLAC format and needs to be uncompressed to regular audio files. Jerry Garcia Band - July 23, 1977 Keystone - Berkeley, CA Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master -> Dat Transfer Info: Dat (Sony R500) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v7.02 -> FLAC (2 Discs Audio / 2 Disc FLAC) Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Sugaree d1t03 - Stop That Train d1t04 - Mystery Train d1t05 - Simple Twist Of Fate d1t06 - The Way You Do The Things You Do Set 2: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - They Love Each Other d2t03 - Sitting In Limbo d2t04 - Tore Up Over You d2t05 - My Sisters And Brothers d2t06 - Stir It Up d2t07 - Tangled Up In Blue ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:14:46 GMT "JC Martin" wrote in message news:pNI_e.652$Aw.9558@typhoon.sonic.net... > ...and I'm sincere in this statement. People like Delay and Rove have > moved to bar up a large notch when it comes government abuse of power and > the lies they're willing to tell to forward their own agenda. I have no > doubt the Democrats will eventually follow their lead. That's not good > for America. > > -JC "Eventually"? Remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the escalation from a few spooks and advisors to an all-out war, de facto putting Nixon in power? Do you happen to recall who was in the White House when all that crap went down? I'm pretty sure "Hey hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today" wasn't directed at a Republican, was it. ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: (NDC) Bug Man goin' down? Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:18:08 GMT On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:29:46 GMT, Tim Donohoe wrote: >> Great news... Let's hope they get this thing over with before bushie >> can pardon this criminal. >> >> >Lets hope they DELAY it so Bush can't Pardon him If I'm not mistaken, a conviction isn't a prerequisite for a pardon. ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: We're Excited (NDC) Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:19:08 GMT On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:17:26 GMT, "Dave Kelly" wrote: > >"Seth Jackson" wrote in message >news:fuplj1lmnri5qh2r7us0l50tshc36uu9dr@4ax.com... >> We just learned that our kids' elementary school was officially named >> a Blue Ribbon School by the U.S. Dept. of Education under the No Child >> Left Behind Program. According to the Dept. of Education website, >> "The No Child Left Behind Blue Ribbon Schools Program honors public >> and private K-12 schools that are either academically superior in >> their states or that demonstrate dramatic gains in student >> achievement." >> >> http://www.ed.gov/programs/nclbbrs/index.html > >Cool. A new bumpersticker for the Lexus! What Lexus? Volvo all the way! ------------------------------ From: "bmcm1m961" Subject: 7/7/81 and 7/4/81 FLAC vine, No B No P. Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:47:08 GMT I received these two Charlie Miller upgrades from Steve Terry and am now offering them up. If you want just one of the two, that's fine as long as you agree in your email to me to offer up the original(s) here after you make a copy for yourself. These discs contain only FLAC (compressed) files so you need to uncompress them to audio files to hear these shows. To email me, remove ALL the m's shown in my email address. Details of the shows follow. ===== Grateful Dead - July 7, 1981 Municipal Auditorium - Kansas City, MO Recording Info: SBD -> Master Cassette -> Reel -> Dat Transfer Info: Dat (Sony R500) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude v7.02 Professional -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net August 23, 2005 Notes: -- Seamless transition between Discs 2 and 3. Set 1: d1t01 - Minglewood Blues -> d1t02 - Bertha -> d1t03 - Dancin' In The Street d1t04 - Big Railroad Blues -> d1t05 - El Paso d1t06 - To Lay Me Down d1t07 - Lazy Lightning -> d1t08 - Supplication d1t09 - Bird Song -> d1t10 - Looks Like Rain -> d1t11 - Deal Set 2: d2t01 - Women Are Smarter d2t02 - Candyman d2t03 - Estimated Prophet -> d2t04 - Eyes Of The World -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - Truckin'-> d3t03 - Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad -> d3t04 - Black Peter -> d3t05 - I Need A Miracle -> d3t06 - Good Lovin' Encore: d3t07 - Don't Ease Me In ================================================== Grateful Dead - July 4, 1981 Manor Downs - Austin, Texas Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master -> Dat (48k) Transfer Info: Dat (Fostex D5) -> Audiophile 2496 -> Samplitude v7.02 Professional -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) Transferred By Joe Samaritano Patched and Edited By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net July 24, 2005 Patch Notes: (FOB) Nakamichi 700 -> Cassette Master -> Cassette -> Dat -> CD Patch provides Tenn Jed through I Know You Rider, Sugar Mags and Saturday Night Notes: -- The AUD patch is an upgrade to the aud that currently circulates. -- Seamless transition between discs 2 and 3. Set One: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Jack Straw d1t03 - Peggy-O d1t04 - Me & MY Uncle -> d1t05 - Big River d1t06 - Loser d1t07 - Little Red Rooster d1t08 - Tennessee Jed -> d1t09 - Minglewood Blues d1t10 - China Cat Sunflower -> d1t11 - I Know You Rider Set Two: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - Feel Like A Stranger d2t03 - Bird Song d2t04 - Playing In The Band -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - Not Fade Away -> d3t03 - Wharf Rat -> d3t04 - Sugar Magnolia Encore: d3t05 - One More Saturday ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: DeLay Indicted! (ndc) Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:27:01 GMT On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:20:21 GMT, "DGDevin" wrote: >> One more criminall scumball out of office means one more step toward the >> three things that you mention above that are desirable. > >Okay, who has the list of Clinton business associates and political >subordinates who went to prison.... And this would matter because...? ------------------------------ From: Seth Jackson Subject: Re: essential AUD recordings... Reply-To: hitmeister .at. mindspring .dot. com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:29:57 GMT On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:23:18 -0700, Kelly Humphries wrote: >Dunno if it's even at the archive, but 4/17/84 Niagara Falls is an >example of a not-that-great show enshrined on a terrific audience >tape. Details already provided by (former) rmgd'er Gordon Sharpless: > >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.gdead/msg/91df5319a47e3c94?hl=en& The show as a whole might not be that great, but the Slipknot! is an all-time super-twisted classic. A truly great Aud is the one from 4/23/77. It probably doesn't get much notice, though, because there is also a pristine SBD available at the site. Most people choose the SBD. I have both. ------------------------------ From: "Walter Karmazyn" Subject: Re: Sweden's New Funeral Rite (Real Dead Content) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:58:18 -0700 scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote in message <1127924802.023518.25940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... >This is very interesting... I like the idea of becoming a tree after >I'm buried. > >Theresa >------------------------------------------ > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/28/wfreez28.xm l&sSheet=/portal/2005/09/28/ixportal.html > >Sweden's new funeral rite - bodies freeze-dried, powdered and made into >tree mulch >By Kate Connolly in Berlin >(Filed: 28/09/2005) > article, make comments: Hey Theresa, here's what's happening here, more traditional and organic.... W Then another article: Marin cemetery: Ashes to ashes, dust to mulch Peter Fimrite, Chronicle Staff Writer Sunday, August 22, 2004 Marsha Goldberg has every intention of pushing up daisies when she dies. Daisies, wildflowers and a big redwood tree, too. Goldberg is calling dibs on her choice of burial sites on a hilly, forested 32-acre stretch of land in Mill Valley, where she is making plans to become fertilizer at the country's first permanently protected cemetery, nature preserve and wildlife sanctuary. The plan, by the new owners of the Daphne Fernwood Cemetery, off Tennessee Valley Road in unincorporated Mill Valley, is the latest manifestation of environmentally conscious Marin County's spiritual embrace of the extraordinary. It is, in essence, a back-to-nature movement for the dead. "There is something about being put into this natural setting that really, really appeals to me," said Goldberg of Daly City. "It's the idea of being an integrated part of nature. We take so much from the earth. To give back in a small way seems the least I could do." The grand scheme was hatched by Billy Campbell, a physician and environmentalist, Tyler Cassity, a funeral aficionado, and Joe Sehee, an expert on socially responsible business. Their purchase of the cemetery, which will be renamed Forever Fernwood, closed escrow Thursday. The state Department of Commerce's cemetery and funeral bureau, which licenses all private burial grounds in California, approved the transfer of title July 1. What they plan to do is restore the native habitat of the area, establish an interpretive center and open the whole kit and caboodle up to hikers, nature lovers, schoolchildren, and even birthing and wedding ceremonies. Traditional funerals and cremation scatterings would continue on the land, but most burials would prohibit embalming, allow only biodegradable caskets and require natural grave markers, like planted shrubs, trees or boulders. The land would then be protected by a conservation easement, and the burial endowments would be used to maintain the park and remove eucalyptus and other nonnative species. "It will be a nature preserve that happens to sell interment rights," Sehee said. "The concept is to sell interment rights on 5 percent of the land and use the endowment from that 5 percent to preserve the rest as open space. In essence, we will use existing cemetery law to conserve land and protect it in perpetuity with a conservation easement." If all goes as planned, Campbell said, Daphne Fernwood would be the pilot project in a sweeping movement to protect a million acres of land over the next 30 years by turning cemeteries into open space preserves. "We are trying to redefine what these spaces are for," Campbell said. "We want to create multiuse nature parks where people can learn about the geology, anthropology and natural history of the site in addition to learning who is buried there." Armed with only scant information about the concept, 500 people, including Goldberg, have nonetheless put their names on a waiting list for interment in Marin County. About four dozen property owners and funeral directors from around the country have also expressed an interest in creating other nature cemeteries, Sehee said. The idea has its roots in a burgeoning green burial movement in England, where some 150 woodland burial grounds are now in use. It is, in many ways, a rejection of a funeral industry that some feel has lost its relevance. Fewer families, especially in tough economic times, are willing to pay huge sums for a burial plot, headstone and the plush, airtight casket that is recommended. A typical funeral in the United States now costs about $7,000, and can reach $15,000 or more depending on the burial location and various accoutrements, according to funeral industry experts. Americans spend $15 billion a year in funeral costs. And then there's the upkeep: Just keeping the lawns green can cost a cemetery as much as $15,000 a month. Green cemeteries are not only a cheap alternative, but bolster the view held by a growing number of people that, upon death, human bodies should be returned to Mother Nature. "This is not creepy Blair Witch Project stuff," Campbell said. "It's restoring that connection between people and the land." Campbell, 48, got the idea of a cemetery/nature preserve after his father died unexpectedly in 1985. He said the funeral was so impersonal and expensive that he began exploring alternatives. He eventually founded Memorial Ecosystems, in Westminster, S.C., and in 1998, opened Ramsey Creek Memorial Nature Preserve, a tiny backwoods cemetery about 12 miles from the Chattooga River, where the movie "Deliverance" was filmed. The cemetery has been host to 30 green burials and has sold interment rights for about 100 more, but Campbell always had bigger plans. It was Cassity, the president of Forever Enterprises, in Clayton, Mo., who made those plans possible. Cassity bought Hollywood Forever Cemetery in 1998 and turned the lonely, neglected resting spot for old silver-screen stars into the kind of New Age destination spot that Tinseltown craves. He offered video tributes to the lives of the deceased, viewable for eternity at kiosks and on the Internet. His annual Rudolph Valentino film festival, held on the cemetery grounds where the star is buried, has become a phenomenon in Los Angeles, attracting thousands. Cassity, an entrepreneur undertaker if there ever was one, was intrigued by the green cemetery concept and heard through the grapevine about Campbell's vision, so he called him up. The two men hit it off -- both convinced that the funeral industry had lost touch with the American public -- and agreed to join forces with Sehee, Cassity's publicist and an expert on nonprofits. They began looking for a cemetery where they could combine their visions, bringing new life to the graveyard, so to speak. Daphne Fernwood, with dozens of broken and weathered headstones from the late 19th century scattered on hillsides and amid the trees, seemed perfect. It is not only forested, but it borders miles of Golden Gate National Recreation Area land. Cassity envisions a kind of virtual cemetery, with burial sites revealed only electronically or through the Internet. "You would walk through with a handheld device, like a Palm Pilot, and, as you walked through, the device would be triggered by GPS (Global Positioning Satellite) points," said Cassity. "It's the perfect marriage of the completely natural and completely virtual so that the memorial aspect is invisible unless you choose to see it." Marin County, the nation's unofficial capital of alternative religion, appears to be an ideal launching pad for such a project. About 80 percent of people who die in Marin are cremated, according to funeral industry experts. Ron Hast, the editor and publisher of Mortuary Management magazine, said the soaring cremation rate is a reflection of a nationwide -- albeit less pronounced -- trend rejecting traditional religious funeral rites. Almost 48 percent of Californians and 27.78 percent of people nationwide choose cremation, both all-time highs, according to Cremation Association of America statistics. "There is no better place to do this than Marin," Hast said. "They have a high cremation rate, a community that has plenty of money, and it is open to things that are unique." Cassity said it is telling that only 15 percent of cremains scattered by the Neptune Society are witnessed or involve a ceremony and, often, relatives never even pick up remains from the funeral home. "We want to encourage people to have memorial rituals or at least do something more than make a phone call and have the body disappear," he said. During a recent hike through the cemetery property, Cassity stood on a hillside in the middle of a thicket, trees all around, and swept his arm from a stand of oaks across a valley toward nearby Mount Tamalpais. "This is what the cemetery will look like," he said. "Like nature." It is the kind of place that Goldberg wants to be, forever. She isn't dying but likes the idea so much that she is almost looking forward to the day. "I always wanted to be buried wrapped only in a shroud under a redwood tree," said Goldberg, who would not reveal her age, but believes she is old enough to begin contemplating her mortality. 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