From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #429 Dead-Flames Digest #429, Volume #48 Wed, 28 Sep 05 07:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: TRISTAN GOT HIS LICENSE!!!! ("The Iron Muffin") Gore for Porn... ("Walter Karmazyn") This is one Damn funny group of..... ("seraphim") Re: SKB - Capistrano (Steve Lenier) All hail President Zod! ("Josh") Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) (Steve Lenier) Later for Miles ("Dave Kelly") Re: Rex show tonight... (Steve Lenier) Re: Gore for Porn... ("Dave") Re: Ben Marble - the people's Medal of Freedom nominee ("Ben Marble, M.D.") Re: Hey, Joe (and everyone else, too) . . . ("Ben Marble, M.D.") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("pookietooth") Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("mjd") Re: Collect a Check on U.S. (bigamps) Re: 33 years old and never been on a date ("Nick's Picks") Re: 33 years old and never been on a date (Gary & Ellie) Re: 33 years old and never been on a date ("volkfolk") Re: 33 years old and never been on a date ("Dylanstubs") Re: A Question for Deadheads ("TNKEV") Re: Gore 08 ??? ("volkfolk") Re: Shut Down The War Machine (JimK) Re: Gore for Porn... (JimK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: "The Iron Muffin" From: "The Iron Muffin" Subject: Re: TRISTAN GOT HIS LICENSE!!!! Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:03:38 -0400 Sherry wrote: > WaHOOOOOOOO! My son got his license today! As they say, 3rd time > was the charm. :) He is thrilled and so am I. :) First thing we did when we > got home was move Thea's car seat back into my car (he's been driving us > all everywhere all the time since he got his own car, his choice). Then, he > called up his friends and made PLANS. I don't expect him home until > late tonight. At 18, I'm not holding him to a curfew. > > Now I can "progress" from having to stay up late to drive him home, to > staying up late worrying he's lying somewhere in a ditch after a crash. > > I am SO happy for him! :) Huzzah! Glad to hear it! -- The Iron Muffin DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you? ------------------------------ From: "Walter Karmazyn" Subject: Gore for Porn... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:21:10 -0700 Please note, this is real..... Not worth arguing about, so no followups, as usual. Tue Sep 27, 7:35 PM ET WASHINGTON - The Army is investigating complaints that soldiers posted photographs of Iraqi corpses on an Internet site in exchange for access to pornographic images on the site, officials said Tuesday. An Islamic civil rights group said it wrote to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld objecting to the practice, which it said may violate international laws of war, and urging the Pentagon to bring it to an end. "This disgusting trade in human misery is an insult to all those who have served in our nation's military," Arsalan Iftikhar, legal director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said in his letter to Rumsfeld. Bryan Whitman, a spokesman for Rumsfeld, said the Pentagon had recently become aware of Internet postings and is looking into it. "Obviously, it is an unacceptable practice," Whitman said. An Army spokesman, Col. Joseph Curtin, said the Criminal Investigation Division recently began investigating the matter on behalf of Lt. Gen. John Vines, commander of the Multinational Corps in Iraq. Another Army spokesman, Paul Boyce, said later that the preliminary criminal inquiry determined, based on available evidence, that felony charges could not be pursued. But the matter, including the possibility of disciplinary action, was being handled in coordination with other military services, he said. Many of the photos depict dismembered Iraqi corpses and body parts. Some also were submitted by soldiers in Afghanistan. ------------------------------ From: "seraphim" Subject: This is one Damn funny group of..... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:04:15 GMT ain't it???? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:08:57 -0700 Subject: Re: SKB - Capistrano From: Steve Lenier in article r5e_e.997$Fi3.452@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net, Dave Kelly at sweetbac@pacbell.net wrote on 9/27/05 9:05 AM: > > "Andrew Murawa" wrote in message > news:3pr49gFbq5ecU1@individual.net... >> This could be summed up in one word: Wow! > > * OH....TELL it, brother! > Looking forward to New Years Eve..gotta pick up a tick. > Master sounds like he took care of binniss. > Did any other rmgd folk show they face? > No, huh? > What are we gonna DO with these lames, Andy? I loaded up on codeine cough syrup and slept from about 4 pm on, aside from a brief wake-up for dinner...got attacked the day before by a vicious throat thing Steve ------------------------------ From: "Josh" Subject: All hail President Zod! Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:59:11 GMT http://www.zod2008.com/ He's got my vote, especially after reading his plans for Michael Bolton. -Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:59:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) From: Steve Lenier in article 1127841521.046202.182560@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, RandyStoner at rangystoner@hotmail.com wrote on 9/27/05 10:18 AM: > band beyond description wrote: >> fare thee well, Maxwell Smart... >> -- >> Peace, >> Steve > > Good Bye Max. > > I'll never forget the opening lines of the Groovy Guru episode of Get > Smart. Max is waiting to meet another agent and the password is "The > Grateful Dead are alive and living in Beverly Hills." > wait, is that the one with The Sacred Cows? As I think of it, that should have been Joe's background music... kill kill kill thrill thrill thrill make the scene knock off the dean Steve (OK, the words could be slightly off, its been 20 years or more) ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Later for Miles Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:47:57 GMT 9/28/91 - Jazz trumpet great Miles Davis dies of pneumonia, respiratory failure and stroke in Santa Monica, Calif., at age 65. He was considered the most famous trumpeter of his generation and the innovator of more styles than any other jazz musician. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 02:27:40 -0700 Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... From: Steve Lenier in article 5fGdndgH5LRgrqfeRVn-jg@comcast.com, jill at askme@comcast.net wrote on 9/27/05 11:11 PM: > Joe wrote: >> AirtimeJunkie wrote: >> >> >>> Geraldine saved the day. And night. Thank you, Geraldine! As always, >>> you came through! >> >> >>> LOL! Glad to hear it, Joe! >> >> >> It turned out to be a wonderful evening. >> >> I really didn't care, so didn't get advance tix, and had a friend from >> rmgd not an an extra, I wouldn't have even gone. >> >> But now, I'm certainly glad I went. I mean...any concert that starts with >> David Nelson has gotta be a good show. I think I enjoyed the Donna/Bob >> duets the best. >> >> Had I known in advance that I'd be going, there were a lot of rmgd'ers I >> would have liked to have met. The only one I did run into there was Tim >> Lynch. >> >> Jill (from rmgd) saw the 18 years olds later on in the evening, and she >> said one of them was licking a tree. LOL >> >> Joe >> >> >> > > It was more of a caress. It also may have been holding her upright. > > I just remember the big smile on her face :D > > Unbelieveable evening. Thanks for the company Joe! Hey Jill :) Steve ------------------------------ From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Gore for Porn... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:50:49 +1200 "Walter Karmazyn" wrote in message news:dhdf2r$bin$1@blue.rahul.net... > Please note, this is real..... Not worth arguing about, so no followups, as > usual. > > > Tue Sep 27, 7:35 PM ET > > WASHINGTON - The Army is investigating complaints that soldiers posted > photographs of Iraqi corpses on an Internet site in exchange for access to > pornographic images on the site, officials said Tuesday. > > An Islamic civil rights group said it wrote to Defense Secretary Donald H. > Rumsfeld objecting to the practice, which it said may violate international > laws of war, and urging the Pentagon to bring it to an end. > > "This disgusting trade in human misery is an insult to all those who have > served in our nation's military," Arsalan Iftikhar, legal director for the > Council on American-Islamic Relations, said in his letter to Rumsfeld. > > Bryan Whitman, a spokesman for Rumsfeld, said the Pentagon had recently > become aware of Internet postings and is looking into it. > "Obviously, it is an unacceptable practice," Whitman said. > > An Army spokesman, Col. Joseph Curtin, said the Criminal Investigation > Division recently began investigating the matter on behalf of Lt. Gen. John > Vines, commander of the Multinational Corps in Iraq. > > Another Army spokesman, Paul Boyce, said later that the preliminary criminal > inquiry determined, based on available evidence, that felony charges could > not be pursued. But the matter, including the possibility of disciplinary > action, was being handled in coordination with other military services, he > said. > > Many of the photos depict dismembered Iraqi corpses and body parts. Some > also were submitted by soldiers in > Afghanistan. Had me worried for a moment. I thought maybe the Dems had got their presidential campaign under weigh early. Dave ------------------------------ From: "Ben Marble, M.D." Subject: Re: Ben Marble - the people's Medal of Freedom nominee Date: 28 Sep 2005 03:23:57 -0700 medal of freedom? who gives that one out? lol ------------------------------ From: "Ben Marble, M.D." Subject: Re: Hey, Joe (and everyone else, too) . . . Date: 28 Sep 2005 03:45:33 -0700 wow I just stumbled onto these google groups thing and found all these tons of groups about what happened to me. It's kind of weird in a way but I am glad to know some people around the world support me in what happened. FYI the video we shot ourselves debuts this week so I imagine some people may want to see it. Thanks Ben Marble, M.D. www.hurricanekatrinasucked.com ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: 28 Sep 2005 04:07:15 -0700 Joe wrote: > PLAY FUCKING LOUD What a great moment in R&R history. Never totally understood it until I watched this. Dylan ends up looking like a hero in the onslaught of barrages from 'fans' and the press. The last 5-10 minutes of the movie especially is amazing to watch. ------------------------------ From: "mjd" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: 28 Sep 2005 04:51:21 -0700 I did know why they were booing, but the performance was so mesmerizing I still had to say wtf, rhetorically more or less... ------------------------------ From: bigamps Subject: Re: Collect a Check on U.S. Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:06:37 GMT pv34pv3p wrote: > And finally back to Sean... > > >>So, what is it hot shot, what "job" do you hold at the behest of the >>taxpayers? > > > Physician's Assistant... Seen any action? ------------------------------ From: "Nick's Picks" Subject: Re: 33 years old and never been on a date Date: 28 Sep 2005 05:09:43 -0700 dude... I told you..you have to stuff your pants *in the front* ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:20:37 -0400 From: Gary & Ellie Reply-To: gary.and.ellie@gmail.com Subject: Re: 33 years old and never been on a date Jerry Lobrowski wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > >>Jerry Lobrowski wrote: >> >>>Its true. It sucks to be me. >> >>"Cheer up, Palmer- >>You'll soon be dead." >> > > > > I have no idea where this quote originated, but I find more comfort > than fear in my own mortality. > > > >>So I've heard there are some old hippies out in San Francisco who could >>hook you up right nice, man. ;~} > > > At this point I am too drunk A HA! A clue! ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: 33 years old and never been on a date Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:26:00 -0400 "Jerry Lobrowski" wrote in message news:1127849177.246390.166720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Its true. It sucks to be me. Relationships aren't all they are cracked up to be either bub. Scot ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: 33 years old and never been on a date Date: 28 Sep 2005 05:42:01 -0700 > Jerry Lobrowski wrote: > Dylanstubs wrote: > > 8/10/82 was a pretty good date. So was 10/12/84. > > 1983 is conspicuously absent I forgot to mention 9/6/83. That's why they call it dope. :) ------------------------------ From: "TNKEV" Subject: Re: A Question for Deadheads Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:35:06 -0500 polasus@my-deja.com wrote: >> This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. By >> giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. >> The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which >> you will have to make a decision. Remember that your answer needs to be >> honest, yet spontaneous. Please scroll down slowly and give due >> consideration to each line. >> >> THE SITUATION >> You are in Florida, Miami to be specific. There is chaos all around >> you caused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a flood of >> biblical proportions. You are a photojournalist working for a major >> newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster. The >> situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot career-making photos. >> There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing under the >> water. >> Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury. >> >> THE TEST >> Suddenly you see a man in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not >> to be taken down with the debris. You move closer. Somehow the man looks >> familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's George W. Bush! At the same >> time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under forever. >> You have two options--you can save the life of George W. Bush, or you can >> shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize-winning photo, documenting the death of one >> of the world's most powerful politicians. >> >> THE QUESTION >> Here's the question, and please give an honest answer: >> Would you select high contrast color film, or would you go with the >> classic simplicity of black and white? I think black and white would be more dramatic,and I would choose 400 speed film so as to capture the moment without too much grainyness and still have a good film speed to minimize blur. then try to pull him out even if he drowns you can still be famous for trying! ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Gore 08 ??? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:46:53 -0400 "Don Bean" wrote in message news:fWbZe.13217$H24.2811@fe11.lga... > Do you think Gore will run again ??? Maybee he was right about the global > warming thing ?? I prefer Hillary because shes more moderate but maybee > Gore kinda re-invents himself . He could win if he comes off more > 'understanding' and less 'babyish' as he did in debates...You gotta figure > now that the left will be stronger than 49% this time. I think most middle > of the road people see the right sent us down the wrong path..... > Bean > www.reggaetraders.com Putting Gore in 08 would be tantamount to political suicide for the Democrats YMMV, Scot ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:07:42 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On 27 Sep 2005 23:01:04 -0700, "Ray" wrote: >DGDevin wrote: >> "Ray" wrote: >> > As JC noted, organizers of such events -- many of them, anyway -- make >> > it clear to the media and to the anarchists that they don't accept or >> > appreciate that kind of behavior. >> >> Sort of like announcing that we're not in favor of burglary and >> crack-dealing and prostitution in our neighborhood but not actually doing >> anything to really discourage it. Their disaproval means nothing if they >> don't take action to free themselves of the violence-vampires. > >Oh YEAH? > >Actually, I don't disagree. > >> > OTOH there are also some organizers - notably ANSWER and their ilk - >> > that I believe do sympathize of such behavior. For that and a >> > multitude of other reasons, I think that ANSWER and their ilk are a >> > cancer to the larger protest movement. >> >> Yeah, the problem being that nobody wants to stand up and say "No" to >> allowing the wingnuts to join in, it's as if they think they need every warm >> body that will show up. > >Yup, agreed. > >> Hell, I seem to recall the last time around, back >> in the day, that the feds tried to encourage exactly such behavior because >> they knew it weakened the anti-war movement in the eyes of many citizens. > >Whether they actually did encourage such behavior or not, it certainly >would have been a smart tactical move on their part. And the same >holds true today. (Hmmmm...) > >> > I wasn't at the Port of Oakland protest, but my >> > understanding/recollection of that incident was that there was in fact >> > at least some over-reaction by the police. Which isn't to say that I'm >> > suggesting that all of the protesters there were without blame - esp. >> > if the anarchist types were there then I'd wager that a small >> > percentage of the protesters played a significant negative role as >> > well. >> >> That was the whole point, they *wanted* a reaction from the cops and >> engineered one, it's classic guerilla tactics, provoke the authorities to >> violence in order to generate more recruits. This wasn't some fringe group >> that hijacked a demonstration, the trouble was built-in from the beginning, >> and if the bulk of the crowd didn't know they were cannon-fodder, well, more >> fools them. > >That's not my understanding of those events. But again I wasn't there, >and moreover I didn't know that much about it to begin with. And from >direct personal experience I do know without doubt that there are some >protestors who behave exactly as you describe here, so I don't find the >scenario that you describe here to be too far-fetched. > >Sad, really. Like you say, the problem is that not enough people stand >up and say "no" to these people and their inexcusable actions. As well >as their often fascist (literally) ideologies. > >Ray While agreeing that violent protestors don't help the cause, I'm not exactly sure what the nonviolent protestors are supposed to do about them, other than to loudly and clearly condemn their actions. After all, it is a free country and there's no way to prevent them from showing up. Once they do, unfortunately, it's up to the police to control them. JimK ------------------------------ From: JimK Subject: Re: Gore for Porn... Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:13:31 -0400 Reply-To: jkezwind@comcast.net On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:50:49 +1200, "Dave" wrote: > >"Walter Karmazyn" wrote in message >news:dhdf2r$bin$1@blue.rahul.net... >> Please note, this is real..... Not worth arguing about, so no followups, >as >> usual. >> >> >> Tue Sep 27, 7:35 PM ET >> >> WASHINGTON - The Army is investigating complaints that soldiers posted >> photographs of Iraqi corpses on an Internet site in exchange for access to >> pornographic images on the site, officials said Tuesday. >> >> An Islamic civil rights group said it wrote to Defense Secretary Donald H. >> Rumsfeld objecting to the practice, which it said may violate >international >> laws of war, and urging the Pentagon to bring it to an end. >> >> "This disgusting trade in human misery is an insult to all those who have >> served in our nation's military," Arsalan Iftikhar, legal director for the >> Council on American-Islamic Relations, said in his letter to Rumsfeld. >> >> Bryan Whitman, a spokesman for Rumsfeld, said the Pentagon had recently >> become aware of Internet postings and is looking into it. >> "Obviously, it is an unacceptable practice," Whitman said. >> >> An Army spokesman, Col. Joseph Curtin, said the Criminal Investigation >> Division recently began investigating the matter on behalf of Lt. Gen. >John >> Vines, commander of the Multinational Corps in Iraq. >> >> Another Army spokesman, Paul Boyce, said later that the preliminary >criminal >> inquiry determined, based on available evidence, that felony charges could >> not be pursued. But the matter, including the possibility of disciplinary >> action, was being handled in coordination with other military services, he >> said. >> >> Many of the photos depict dismembered Iraqi corpses and body parts. Some >> also were submitted by soldiers in >> Afghanistan. > >Had me worried for a moment. I thought maybe the Dems had got their >presidential campaign under weigh early. > >Dave > > You mean maybe the Reps had gotten their smear campaign under way early, don't you? 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