From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #420 Dead-Flames Digest #420, Volume #48 Tue, 27 Sep 05 11:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (JC Martin) Re: Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival / S.F. (leftie) Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite ("pbleers@hotmail.com") Re: FEMA rehires Brown ("LP") Re: Shut Down The War Machine (Joe) Re: I hate to wear socks! ("DGDevin") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Infundibulum") What's going on? (DG) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("DGDevin") Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) ("RandyStoner") Re: Shut Down The War Machine (JC Martin) Re: What's going on? ("Infundibulum") Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH (JC Martin) Re: What's going on? (Joe) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (Joe) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (leftie) Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Rupert") Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? (wyeknot) Re: Patriots continue to own the Steelers ("Andrew Murawa") Re: Run For The Roses - Shoreline ("volkfolk") Re: Rex show tonight... ("Carlisle") Re: Run For The Roses - Shoreline (JC Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JC Martin Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:14:36 GMT kpnnews@yahoo.com wrote: > Joe wrote: > >>Walter Karmazyn wrote: >> >> >>>Yeah, they really exist;-) >> >>So I've heard. >> >>I'll call your wood nymph, and raise you a flower girl. >> >>Y'know...we really do live in Paradise here. >> >>What a glorious weekend. From music to beautiful women to anti-war >>rallies; the San Francisco Bay Area is heaven on earth. > > > Interesting town. Actually we went to Muir Park today over > in Marin. Did we pass by your Whole Foods on the way to > Joe's Taco place? The fish tacos were great, and the all too > brief walk amongst the redwoods was too short. Cool place. > However, I was amazed at the number of strip malls outside > SF. I guess some things are universally American. SF? Driving > the hills is a trip (I am from N.O.), and there are frickin' > bike lanes on every road (cool). > > My biggest surprise honestly was the wine. We went to > Sonoma for the day, and the wine blew my mind. Unbelievable > stuff. Why? :-) Thes best wine in the world, outside of France is made right here. You should have went to the Russian River Brewing Company and tried our beer. > Kurt > > PS - Pancho Villa's? Great place, but we have the same level > of Mexican in NC. Haight? meh.... Toronado? Very cool. Pancho Villa is NOT the best Mexican food in the Bay Area. I tried to tell you. It's more the Mission hipster hang and great for the vegetarians. Peas, -JC ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival / S.F. Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:53:35 -0700 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/25/PKGRAEQAS41.DTL&type=music HILLBILLY MILLIONAIRE Sylvie Simmons Sunday, September 25, 2005 "He's crazy," says Hazel Dickens in the no-nonsense voice of a 70-year-old who has seen her fair share of loons. "All this music? For free? It's got to cost a pile. Every year I think, this time they're going to cut back, but no, it just gets bigger." When told how big this year's Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival is going to be -- around 60 acts, among them the biggest names in country, bluegrass, Americana and (Dickens' area) old-time folk -- she gasps. "It couldn't happen anywhere in the world but in San Francisco, this crazy millionaire putting on these great big festivals for free." Right now, the man whose mental health is being questioned is seated at a desk in an outsize room with a panoramic view of the bay. If it weren't for the lack of a bed and the occasional appearance of a smartly dressed office worker, this might be a wealthy teenager's bedroom, with its CDs and sports trophies, musical instrument in the corner and signed festival posters on the walls. In fact, it's headquarters of one of America's leading investment firms, and the man proudly showing off a photograph of himself with Emmylou Harris is its 72-year-old founder and chairman, Warren Hellman. He doesn't look particularly crazy, nor like a captain of industry. Bristling at that phrase, he demotes himself first to "corporal" then "schmuck" of industry and puts in a CD by Todd Snider, selecting the sardonic sing-along "Conservative Christian, Right-Wing Republican Straight White American Males." But Hellman is clearly mad about bluegrass. Five years ago he decided to stage a festival, fly out his favorite artists and invite anyone who shared his passion or might be ripe for conversion to come for free. It was the millionaire-philanthropist equivalent of making compilation tapes of favorite songs and sending them to your friends. Harris and Dickens came for the first festival and have been back every year since. This year, they share the bill with Dolly Parton, Steve Earle, Rosanne Cash, Earl Scruggs, Gillian Welch, Doc Watson, Joan Baez, Ricky Skaggs, Alison Brown, Ralph Stanley, Laura Cantrell, Rodney Crowell, Patty Griffin, Del McCoury, the Knitters, Tim O'Brien, Todd Snider, Kelly Joe Phelps, Chip Taylor, Jim Lauderdale, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Buddy Miller and Los Super Seven with Calexico. And that's just the out-of-towners. There are a number of fine Bay Area artists, including Bill Evans, Jody Stecher and Toshio Hirano, whose shows pay tribute to Jimmie Rodgers and Hank Williams. As Dickens points out, it costs a pile. Hellman says "it costs a lot -- bigger than a bread box, smaller than a house, one of those new billionaire homes, I guess." He tells how he was approached by someone who said he ran America's biggest (non-bluegrass) festival. "He wanted to buy mine. I said, 'Why? It's free.' He said, 'Well it wouldn't be if I owned it.' " Hellman said it wasn't for sale. "There's this famous Texas oil guy's remark about money: 'It's like manure -- if you spread it around, beautiful things grow. But if you leave it in a pile it smells like manure.' " He rummages through the CDs for a Hazel Dickens song, 'Mannington Mine,' about a mining tragedy. "There's a line that goes, 'There's a rich man that lives on the hill, far from the poor miner's home, for him everything is fine.' After about three months of knowing Hazel, she told me, 'I think of you as the man on the hill.' Then, a couple of years ago she gets up at the festival and says, 'If Warren goes on being so nice, I'm going to have to change some of my songs.' " Hellman is far from the only fan of old-time bluegrass who has never set foot in a coal mine or a cotton field. When former Jefferson Airplane guitarist Jorma Kaukonen bought a ranch in the Appalachian foothills in 1989 and started holding workshops in mandolin, banjo and folk guitar, it became popular for New York businessmen to go there on weekends to pick and yodel as a way to de-stress. Kaukonen, like Jerry Garcia and countless other anti-establishment rock musicians, was digging into the weird, wonderful roots of American rural music back in the '60s. This latest wave of interest is nothing new. Gillian Welch, a third-time festival performer, was raised in Los Angeles on Velvet Underground and punk records, but later had an epiphany: "I was at college and had just moved in with a DJ who had an old-time-bluegrass show. One Sunday morning I was in the bathroom, on my knees, cleaning the bathtub, and he put on "The Legendary Stanley Brothers Vol. 1." The first song came on and I just stood up and I kind of walked into the other room as if I was in a tractor beam and stood there in front of the stereo. It was just as powerful as the electric stuff, and it was songs I'd grown up singing. All of a sudden I'd found my music." Toshio Hirano first discovered old American country music as a high school kid in 1960s Tokyo through listening to Bob Dylan. He came to the United States, wanting to see "the land where it sprang up and the people that created it." En route he met a punk rocker who took him to Texas, where Hirano -- who now lives and teaches in San Mateo -- played his Hank Williams and Jimmie Rodgers covers publicly for the first time. Says Dickens, "A lot of the punk people are real attracted to the old-time and the bluegrass. They said they liked it because of its honesty and the down-to-earth people who play it and the message that it sends." Ralph Stanley has been touring continually since 1946, playing what he prefers to call "old-time mountain music." In recent years, the small, gray-haired 78-year-old has found himself in the unusual position of greeting young fans with tattoos and piercings, who shake his hand and tell him, "This is cool!" Says Stanley, "I tell them, 'I think it's quite hot.' They call it a trend, but if it is a trend it's been going for longer than I can remember. It's the music I grew up on as a country boy, and there's nothing else like it. It's nice to see the city folk are catching up." He gives all the credit to the Coen brothers' 2000 comedy film "O Brother Where Art Thou," on whose soundtrack he played and sang. "After that movie, when I went out I could tell that my audience had increased. And they were mostly young people. See, this music never got played on the big radio stations, so people had never really heard it, but when the movie put it out there where people could hear it, I guess they noticed it more and they liked it. Afterward all of us on the soundtrack toured with a show called 'Down From the Mountain,' " which was made into an award-winning documentary. Its participants included Emmylou Harris and Gillian Welch, who are also on this year's bill, alongside revered old masters of the genre like Earl Scruggs, age 81, and Doc Watson, 82. Stecher, who has been playing banjo for 47 years, agrees that "O Brother" helped raise its popularity. He's been getting calls from people wanting to learn banjo. Hellman has been taking lessons with him for three years. Hellman tried once before in his 20s and gave up. His banjo, an exquisite 1909 White Lady, languished in the corner, until years later, when his daughter married and her husband fancied learning to play. "Fast forward, they get divorced and the banjo stays with him," Hellman says. "Then a year and a half ago, my wife says to Jody, 'My husband had this beautiful White Lady, do you think we could find one?" They located one in Marble, Mass. "I swear to God," says Hellman, "I think it's the one I had. My grandchildren spend time with their father, so I keep wanting to send them on a spying expedition to see if he still has it. But I really don't want the answer," he laughs. "It wouldn't be half as good as thinking I've got my old banjo back." -- Sylvie Simmons is a freelance writer. ------------------------------ From: "pbleers@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: ndc-Dylan special on PBS tonite Date: 27 Sep 2005 09:52:37 -0700 Yeah, that had me captivated last nite. I found it hilarious that Bob was/is a record album thief........and the guys he stole from are still kinda PO'd about it. When is Bob gonna make it up to 'em? ------------------------------ From: "LP" Subject: Re: FEMA rehires Brown Date: 27 Sep 2005 09:50:57 -0700 hound...@netzero.net wrote: > yes - America is great. Don't like it? Leave dirtbag hippy. It is our responsibility to CHANGE THE PROBLEMS if we don't like the way things are going. Sheeple like YOU will just go along with the destruction of our rights by stupid and dangerous poiliticians like W and his cronies. "Leave dirtbag hippy" This crap always comes out of losers who cannot even put together a complete sentence. Public school has failed you houndboy. LP ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 17:00:09 GMT Infundibulum wrote: > Have a few valiums and a malt liquor. Thanks for the advice, but me being mellowed out and stoned has nothing to do with the out of control war machine that's stealing the US Treasury, polluting your drinking water and air, and murdering tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. Why aren't you in the Army, killing and maiming all who stand between the US and the soon-to-be-depleted oil? Or, would you just rather give crap to one who despises the war mongers and thieves in Washington, DC? You idiots act like I'm the only one against this illegal, unethical, murderous war. It'd be better to ask...why aren't you against the war? http://www.worldcantwait.org Joe ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: I hate to wear socks! Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:28:35 GMT "ba ba booie" wrote in message news:10359-4337182D-854@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net... > I think I have nice feet. > So I have been told. I'm trying to picture the situation in which someone was so desperate for something to say that they decided to praise your feet.... > Man I love summer. > Hell, if I lived in California or Hawaii, > I'd never have to wear socks year round. > Maybe one day. > > booie.......... Ya'll spend a winter in San Francisco and you'll wear the thickest socks you can find inside your warmest boots.... ------------------------------ From: "Infundibulum" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:12:40 -0700 "Joe" wrote in message news:3ptc4pFc1u3tU1@individual.net... > Infundibulum wrote: > < snip a little more frothing-at-the-mouth and typical so-called "progressive" propoganda > > > > So, just out of curiosity, sport, and entertainment, what do you think would happen if we brought the troops home tomorrow? What do YOU think the net effect of a successful protest would be? I'm curious to know what you think you're fighting for, since you've made some attempt at what you think you're fighting against. Also, since you obviously think Sadaam should still be running Iraq, do you also think the Taliban should still be running Afghanistan? Just curious .. ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: What's going on? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:07:38 -0700 The US and Iraqis claim that they have killed the second in command of AQ in Iraq. Problem is that the US said they captured this guy back in March. His name is Abu Azzam. More lies from the bushie machine... ------------------------------ From: "DGDevin" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:14:51 GMT "JC Martin" wrote in message news:eve_e.444$Aw.6726@typhoon.sonic.net... >> I have to wonder what would happen if the non-violent groups stepped up >> and told the wingnuts they weren't welcome, > > > > I think you're making an assumption that they don't do this. In fact, > usually the organizers of such events along with peace activists make it > clear to the media and to the anarchists that they don't accept or > appreciate this kind of behavior. Talk is cheap, when the folks with the armbands and the bullhorns actually make it tough for the window-smashers (as I described) then I'll think they're serious about it. But so long as they take a see-no-evil approach.... > On the flip side, I agree with Ray in regards to shutting down the city, > unless a permit is gotten to use a certain section of the city of course. > > -JC If you *wanted* to hamstring the anti-war movement then shutting down a city is a good way to do it, even sympathetic citizens will get pissed off when they can't pick up their kids from school due to knuckle-heads throwing vending machines into the streets. ------------------------------ From: "RandyStoner" Subject: Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) Date: 27 Sep 2005 10:18:41 -0700 band beyond description wrote: > fare thee well, Maxwell Smart... > -- > Peace, > Steve Good Bye Max. I'll never forget the opening lines of the Groovy Guru episode of Get Smart. Max is waiting to meet another agent and the password is "The Grateful Dead are alive and living in Beverly Hills." ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:21:55 GMT DGDevin wrote: > "JC Martin" wrote in message > news:eve_e.444$Aw.6726@typhoon.sonic.net... > > >>>I have to wonder what would happen if the non-violent groups stepped up >>>and told the wingnuts they weren't welcome, >> >> >> >>I think you're making an assumption that they don't do this. In fact, >>usually the organizers of such events along with peace activists make it >>clear to the media and to the anarchists that they don't accept or >>appreciate this kind of behavior. > > > Talk is cheap, when the folks with the armbands and the bullhorns actually > make it tough for the window-smashers (as I described) then I'll think > they're serious about it. But so long as they take a see-no-evil > approach.... Bullhorns??? LOL Okay, sure. >>On the flip side, I agree with Ray in regards to shutting down the city, >>unless a permit is gotten to use a certain section of the city of course. >> >>-JC > > > If you *wanted* to hamstring the anti-war movement then shutting down a city > is a good way to do it, even sympathetic citizens will get pissed off when > they can't pick up their kids from school due to knuckle-heads throwing > vending machines into the streets. Agreed. -JC ------------------------------ From: "Infundibulum" Subject: Re: What's going on? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:21:44 -0700 "DG" wrote in message news:rquij111j56iptchdm4tkpcnkt29sjbt66@4ax.com... > > The US and Iraqis claim that they have killed the second in command of > AQ in Iraq. Problem is that the US said they captured this guy back > in March. His name is Abu Azzam. > > More lies from the bushie machine... > It's true. Those promotions to the #2 spot take months if not years. And I hate it when the go outside of al-qaeda in Iraq structure and promote from some other terror organization, like al-qaeda in Britain, al-qaeda in Spain, et.al. I mean, where's the loyalty? ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Los Super Seven w/Calexico & Joe Ely---GAMH Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:25:06 GMT This Thursday. Anyone here hittin' this show? Looks to be amazing. Calexico makes some increible records, and I've heard they're good live. This looks to be a smoking night of Americana. Peas, JC ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: What's going on? Date: 27 Sep 2005 17:22:48 GMT DG wrote: > More lies from the bushie machine... Bush lies about everything. But hey, anyone with a brain already knows that. Joe ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 17:20:55 GMT Infundibulum wrote: > So, just out of curiosity, sport, and entertainment, what do you think would > happen if we brought the troops home tomorrow? What do YOU think the net > effect of a successful protest would be? I'm curious to know what you think > you're fighting for, since you've made some attempt at what you think you're > fighting against. > Also, since you obviously think Sadaam should still be running Iraq, do you > also think the Taliban should still be running Afghanistan? Just curious .. Considering that I have zero idea who Infundibulum is, dontcha think your Spanish Inquisition style is out of line? I do. Especially considering that I'm not the one who is a war criminal. Direct yuor ire towards the real criminals, those who tell lies to justify "wars". For more than 10 years, I have been sharing my thoughts with rmgd. If you're curious what I stand for, google me. There's thousands of posts. So, what about you? Who are you, and what do you believe in (besides giving a peaceful guy a load of shit)? BTW, I don't respond well to demands, especially from RWNDHs. Joe ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:31:12 -0700 DGDevin wrote: > ...we need to choose... What do you mean "we," kimosabe? Bush apologists like you have no business telling the anti-war movement what to do. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: 27 Sep 2005 10:27:57 -0700 WIIAAHSWYP? Theresa ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 27 Sep 2005 07:15:02 -0700 Just listened to this one, sounds quite good. As far as beer bottles inside the show, the Miller was in plastic, the Gordon Biersch looked like it was in good 'ol glass bottles. I was not about to pay eight dollars to find out. ------------------------------ From: wyeknot Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:30:41 -0400 scarletbgonias@hotmail.com wrote: > WIIAAHSWYP? > > Theresa WTFAYTATB? ;-) Matt ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Murawa" Subject: Re: Patriots continue to own the Steelers Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:32:01 -0700 "Neil X." wrote in message news:1127786759.658597.127850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> Andrew Murawa wrote: >> >> That's another thing that college ball has all over the NFL... You >> can >> go to any college game on the planet wearing the away team's colors >> and >> not have to fear for your safety... It is a rare NFL game where that >> happens... > > > Andrew, that's just simply not true. I've been to dozens of NFL games > at this point, in New England, Chicago, NY, Minnesota. It is far from > "rare" that the visiting team's fans aren't hassled. I've never seen > anything other than jocular trash talking. What's rare is the kind of > experience described by John. And even in this instance, it sounds as > if there was no actual violence........ I've been to dozens of NFL games myself in SD, Anaheim, Oakland, SF, Arizona, Detroit, Chicago and Houston, and aside from the places that don't really care that much about their home team (read SD a few years back and Arizona), wearing the opposing teams colors will inevitably result in beer "spilled" on you, nasty insults (even in the presence of children) and in many cases, actually physical contact... Raider fans are of course the poster children for this type of behavior, but that ain't the only place it happens... ------------------------------ From: "volkfolk" Subject: Re: Run For The Roses - Shoreline Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:33:32 -0400 "marklaw" wrote in message news:1127792120.093699.296070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > You would be more wrong. Run for the Roses and Midnight Moonlight > sound nothing alike. > True, but harmonically they are very similar. They certainly have more in common with each other than either one has with TOG Scot ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 27 Sep 2005 07:20:19 -0700 Joe wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > > Is "Geraldine" a woman, a drug or some combination of both?? I'm really > > trying to figure it all out! She's obviously pretty political. LOL > > I understand if you can't answer that question in a public forum. > > Republicans are watching. > > Stay Grateful, > > Carrie > > Geraldine is the nickname of a flowering plant that was given to me > by a former rmgd regular who's now off in the Caribbean... > > She's a special plant, a magical plant, a healing plant. > > Come visit, and I'll introduce the two of you. I know you'll get along > famously. Everyone loves Geraldine. > > Joe Gotcha. I'm sure Geraldine and I would get on famously. Let It Grow! Carrie ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Run For The Roses - Shoreline Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:42:30 GMT volkfolk wrote: > "marklaw" wrote in message > news:1127792120.093699.296070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > >>You would be more wrong. Run for the Roses and Midnight Moonlight >>sound nothing alike. >> > > > True, but harmonically they are very similar. They certainly have more in > common with each other than either one has with TOG HRYK. -JC ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .