From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #416 Dead-Flames Digest #416, Volume #48 Tue, 27 Sep 05 01:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Rex show tonight... (Joe) Re: Patriots continue to own the Steelers ("John Hanson") Re: Rex show tonight... (Joe) Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi (Joe) Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (Joe) Re: ndc-warren beatty to replace arnold? (Joe) Re: I hate to wear socks! (Joe) Re: Rex show tonight... ("Carlisle") Re: Rex show tonight... (Joe) Re: Hey, Joe (and everyone else, too) . . . (Joe) Re: Shut Down The War Machine (Joe) Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) ("band beyond description") Re: FEMA rehires Brown (Joe) Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Ray") Re: RIP, Agent 86 (Joe) Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi ("Ray") Re: Shut Down The War Machine (Joe) Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi ("Ray") Re: Shut Down The War Machine ("Ray") Re: "The War at Home" tonight ("Rupert") Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? (SavoyBG@aol.com) Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... (kpnnews@yahoo.com) Meanwhile back in Iraq.... ("Walter Karmazyn") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 27 Sep 2005 03:48:30 GMT Bill wrote: > I thought it was not taking advantage of his skills, especially in an event > honoring Garcia, to relegate him to an acoustic guitar with two others on > acoustic instruments such that all three were barely audible in a half empty > Greek. He should have been on electric guitar ripping it up in the prime > time of last night with the band that had Weir, Hart, and Kreutuzmann. I'll > bet the crowd would have lost it if they had heard a Cumberland Blues with > David Nelson singing and playing lead electric guitar backed up by Weir, > Hart, Kreutuzmann and everyone else > Just a small nitpick on a great night. Longlive the Grateful Dead energy at > the Greek. Me and the other 42 David Nelson Band fanatics have taken a vote, and we don't want any more fans of DNB. We don't want to have to share David Nelson. You and Phil already got our Barry and our Mookie. No more. Leave David alone. If he's content playing with Michael Elvin Hunt at the farmer's market, or for free at Iron Springs Brewery, then so are we. He's ours. Mister Nelson belongs to his 42 fans. Joe ------------------------------ From: "John Hanson" Subject: Re: Patriots continue to own the Steelers Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:49:41 GMT "Neil X." wrote in message news:1127786759.658597.127850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> Andrew Murawa wrote: >> >> That's another thing that college ball has all over the NFL... You can >> go to any college game on the planet wearing the away team's colors and >> not have to fear for your safety... It is a rare NFL game where that >> happens... > > > Andrew, that's just simply not true. I've been to dozens of NFL games > at this point, in New England, Chicago, NY, Minnesota. It is far from > "rare" that the visiting team's fans aren't hassled. I've never seen > anything other than jocular trash talking. What's rare is the kind of > experience described by John. And even in this instance, it sounds as > if there was no actual violence........ There was no violence, just some cheap forearm shots as some of the more lit up Charger fans were passing in the halls. I'm a smart ass from way back, but I had absolutely no trouble keeping my head down and my mouth shut this time. We (friends and I, not my wife who stayed at her seat) were headed to Murphy's bar inside the stadium at halftime and had to make it through a massive throng of amped up drunks. For the first time in my life, I really thought I would get seriously mob stomped if I said the wrong thing. Very spooky. I've never had it happen before, and I've worn Giant stuff to a pretty fair number of away games. All things considered, I would have had a better time staying home (or possibly wearing a different shirt to the game). John H. ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 27 Sep 2005 03:51:09 GMT Carlisle wrote: > I would have LOVED to have been there!!! Geraldine would have really liked to whoop some republican ass, so if you ever do make it here to the Bay Area, let us know. Then again, she'd much rather whoop on ex-republicans... Joe ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi Date: 27 Sep 2005 03:58:03 GMT >"How many evil-doers have we sent to their maker using bullets >rather than bombs? I don't know," he said. "If they don't do body >counts, how can I? But using these figures it works out at around >300,000 bullets per insurgent. Let's round that down to 250,000 >so that we are underestimating." Fuck You General Evil of the Nazi-American Imperialist Army! Fuck you and all those mass murdering suicidal soldiers who are spilling the blood of children as they themselves are being sacrified on the Alter of Halliburton. Americans = Mass Murdering Nazis = The Brotherhood Of Death Joe ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:04:49 GMT Carlisle wrote: > Sounds plush. When I come out to San Francisco, I'll be sure to wear > some flowers in my hair. ;} > peace and love, > Carrie Geraldine loves you. She's the Flower of Peace and Love and Rock 'n Roll. Get here, and she'll do the rest. Joe ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: ndc-warren beatty to replace arnold? Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:10:33 GMT RickNBarbInSD wrote: > Give that man a bowl of brown rice grown in an American, organic, > communal co-op with no pesticides, herbicides, or genetically modified > anything!!!! Rice is the next crop that Monsanto has its eyes on. They've managed to contaminate 80% of the corn, canola, soy and cotton crops with untested Genetically Modified components, and rice is their new pet project. Be afraid, be very afraid. Or, if you live in Sonoma, Vote YES on M. Ban Genetically Engineered crops. Ban them or die; your choice. ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: I hate to wear socks! Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:16:30 GMT > > So what's the alternative? Birkenstocks? > > > Yep. I love my birkies!! Me too. I've been wearing them for the last 30 years. Not the same pair, though. I'm due for a new pair one of these days soon. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 26 Sep 2005 21:19:43 -0700 Joe wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > I would have LOVED to have been there!!! > > Geraldine would have really liked to whoop some republican ass, so if you > ever do make it here to the Bay Area, let us know. > > Then again, she'd much rather whoop on ex-republicans... > > Joe Is "Geraldine" a woman, a drug or some combination of both?? I'm really trying to figure it all out! She's obviously pretty political. LOL I understand if you can't answer that question in a public forum. Republicans are watching. Stay Grateful, Carrie ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Rex show tonight... Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:35:48 GMT Carlisle wrote: > Is "Geraldine" a woman, a drug or some combination of both?? I'm really > trying to figure it all out! She's obviously pretty political. LOL > I understand if you can't answer that question in a public forum. > Republicans are watching. > Stay Grateful, > Carrie Geraldine is the nickname of a flowering plant that was given to me by a former rmgd regular who's now off in the Caribbean... She's a special plant, a magical plant, a healing plant. Come visit, and I'll introduce the two of you. I know you'll get along famously. Everyone loves Geraldine. Joe ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Hey, Joe (and everyone else, too) . . . Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:42:53 GMT Front and Center, Private CHunk of the Imperialist Fascist Army. Trying to change the subject, are we? Why face reality, Private Chubk, when you can just regurgiate Rush Lamo? You have blood on your hands. How do you sleep at night? Joe ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:48:05 GMT houndish@netzero.net wrote: > No FUCK YOU! you clueless hypocrite piece of shit ... Fuck you and your > democrat socialist welfare machine. Fuck you and your racist Charlie > Rangel. Fuck you and Chuckie Schummer dumpster diving on peoples > private lives. FUCK YOU joe. FUCK YOU!!!!! Feel the love. JOe ------------------------------ From: "band beyond description" <123@456.com> Subject: Re: Don Adams dies (NDC) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:57:22 +0900 "band beyond description" <123@456.com> wrote in message news:3prnqnFc0i6cU1@individual.net... > fare thee well, Maxwell Smart... also, can't forget Tennessee Tuxedo! "duuhhhhh...hey Tennessee!" -- Chumley -- Peace, Steve ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: FEMA rehires Brown Date: 27 Sep 2005 04:58:06 GMT houndish@netzero.net wrote: > yes - America is great. Don't like it? Leave dirtbag hippy. Sounds like a plan. Will Wednesday morning be soon enough, Herr Houndish? But, I'll be back in time to march through the streets of San Francisco, while chanting: "Abu Ghraib-USA For All Right Wing Nitwit Deadheads." I'll be the tanned and rested hippie Dead Head. Let's take back America on 11/2. We deserve better than Bush/Cheney and their lies. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 26 Sep 2005 21:58:49 -0700 Joe wrote: > The day the bombs started falling on Iraq, the streets in San Francisco > were shut down by those opposed to the war launched solely on the absurd > lies of Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Powell. And who picked up the tab for that? Not Bush and Co. - it was instead the people of San Francisco. > They lied about everything, and > now it's time for us to shut their fucking war machine down, and to shut > their fascist country down. Shutting down San Francisco will do no such thing. > The Festival Of Resistance is coming to your town. November 2nd. > > Call in sick. Take to the streets. Let those criminals in DC know that > their gig is up. Fuck them! Bush and Co. are well aware that the people of the San Francisco Bay Area, on balance, are not their political allies. So if anti-Bush protestors shut down San Fransico again Bush and Co. won't know that their 'gig' is up - they will instead laugh that 'friends' of San Francisco shut down the city again. > LET'S TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK! I very much hope that happens in the next election. But shutting down San Francisco will only result in San Francisco taxpayers picking up the tab for a bunch of angry people -- most of whom don't live in SF -- shouting into the ether. Again. Ray ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: RIP, Agent 86 Date: 27 Sep 2005 05:04:44 GMT greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com wrote: > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > First Scotty, the Gilligan and now Agent 86! > This is not right. Smash your television and set your brain free. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi Date: 26 Sep 2005 22:15:34 -0700 Criminal Fascist Monster wrote: > more reason to nuke the goddamn place and get it over with This is one of the interesting things about usenet - it's sometimes difficult to tell whether someone is serious or not. Are you serious here, CFM? If so, what do you think nuking Iraq would accomplish? Ray ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 27 Sep 2005 05:18:14 GMT Ray wrote: > Shutting down San Francisco will do no such thing. I'll post some details in the morning, but the plan is for a nationwide general strike. That said, I hope to see you, Ray, at Noon on 11/2 at the SF Civic Center Plaza. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: (NDC - Hmmm) How many bullets does it take to kill an Iraqi Date: 26 Sep 2005 22:31:17 -0700 Joe wrote: > Americans =3D Mass Murdering Nazis Certificate of Hitlertude >From Uncyclopedia [ http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Hitlertude ] Frequently, when people argue one of the arguers will use the gambit "well, that's just what Hitler would have said." For many years, this was considered a devastating debating move from which it was impossible to extricate oneself. Then, in 2002, the World Institute of Hitlerology introduced the Certificate of Hitlertude. The offended party merely writes down his argument and sends it (along with a stamped self-addressed envelope and 10 Euros) to the Institute's headquarters in N=FCrnberg. Top experts in the field of German history, Nazi theory and the biography of Adolf Hitler will then examine the argument and compare it to known things that Adolf Hitler said. They will then post you a certificate (suitable for framing) bearing the Hitler Quotient of your argument, expressed as a percentage: * At 91-100%, the thing you said is indeed deemed to be Just What Hitler Would Have Said. You lose your argument. Try again. Example: 'I think that invading Poland would be just tops!' * At 71-90%, you have said something similar to what Hitler would have said, but not quite as bad. You will probably lose your argument, but you are entitled to do so in bad grace. Example: 'Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein careful series of governmental checks and balances!' * At 51-70%, you have said something that Hitler might have said, but so would most other people. Example: 'Is it just me, or could the French do with a solid kicking?' * At 26-50% is the smartass band; things that Hitler would have said, but which are so banal as to make the comparison worthless. Examples: 'Good morning,' 'I don't think much of Communism,' or 'Where did I leave the keys to my Mercedes?' * At 25% or less are remarks that the experts agree that Hitler almost certainly never would have made. Examples: 'Give peace a chance,' 'All you need is love,' or 'Mazel tov!' ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: Shut Down The War Machine Date: 26 Sep 2005 23:01:22 -0700 Joe wrote: > Ray wrote: > > > Shutting down San Francisco will do no such thing. > > I'll post some details in the morning, but the plan is for a nationwide > general strike. > > That said, I hope to see you, Ray, at Noon on 11/2 at the SF Civic Center > Plaza. If it's a peaceful and orderly protest of Bush's policies then I'm there. If however it's one of these "let's shut down the city" type-things then you can count me out - IMO the hundreds of thousands of dollars that SF has to spend to respond to those types of things would be much better spent elsewhere. Ray ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: "The War at Home" tonight Date: 26 Sep 2005 23:05:36 -0700 I was on my way to turn off the tv, when the first zinger hit me. We've been watching is ever since. ------------------------------ From: SavoyBG@aol.com Crossposted-To: rec.arts.movies.current-films,soc.culture.greek,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s Subject: Re: your favorite non-american or non-british pop star? Date: 26 Sep 2005 23:45:00 -0700 Jack Scott ------------------------------ From: kpnnews@yahoo.com Subject: Re: San Francisco Deadheads..... Date: 26 Sep 2005 23:49:46 -0700 Joe wrote: > Walter Karmazyn wrote: > > > Yeah, they really exist;-) > > So I've heard. > > I'll call your wood nymph, and raise you a flower girl. > > Y'know...we really do live in Paradise here. > > What a glorious weekend. From music to beautiful women to anti-war > rallies; the San Francisco Bay Area is heaven on earth. Interesting town. Actually we went to Muir Park today over in Marin. Did we pass by your Whole Foods on the way to Joe's Taco place? The fish tacos were great, and the all too brief walk amongst the redwoods was too short. Cool place. However, I was amazed at the number of strip malls outside SF. I guess some things are universally American. SF? Driving the hills is a trip (I am from N.O.), and there are frickin' bike lanes on every road (cool). My biggest surprise honestly was the wine. We went to Sonoma for the day, and the wine blew my mind. Unbelievable stuff. Kurt PS - Pancho Villa's? Great place, but we have the same level of Mexican in NC. Haight? meh.... Toronado? Very cool. ------------------------------ From: "Walter Karmazyn" Subject: Meanwhile back in Iraq.... Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:24:12 -0700 The headline sounds like what you would expect from an occupying German officer oh, 60- 67 years ago. But this from the article: The bombs did not stop, so Col. Salazar implemented a strategy he has used throughout his area of operations, the western half of Diyala, just north of Baghdad: shut down the road on which any roadside bomb is found for 24 to 48 hours. It is a matter of safety, but also one of spreading the pain. If the local community is inconvenienced by a road closure, goes the theory, perhaps they will put pressure on the insurgents to stop. ******* Hello Bill Clinton. Let's talk sanctions on Iraq, imposed by Bush the Elder, kept in place by Clinton. by 1999, killed over one million people, most of them after 1-20-93, a majority children. The strategy of course was if you inconvenience a whole population; ya know, not enough food, clean water, medicine and what have you, they'll rise up and overthrow the bastard, or maybe just not fight for him when you come marchin in to overthrow him. Throw flowers at your feet, that kind of stuff. Didn't happen, did it? Either scenario. Same strategy here, punish people innocent of the crime, in hopes they will bring pressure to end it. Instead, probably have them cheering the next IED, if it hits an American. W Officer commands respect from locals By Pamela Hess UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL September 26, 2005 BAQOUBA, Iraq -- In a counterinsurgent war, there are carrots and there are sticks. Here in Diyala province, the carrot is a nearly $500 million investment in schools, health clinics, roads, sewage systems and electricity. The stick is Col. Steven Salazar, 47, commander of "Task Force Sledgehammer," the 3rd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division. Where other senior military officers lavish attention on local sheiks and work the imams, Col. Salazar leaves that to his battalion commanders. In genial conversations with the province's governor and chief of police, Col. Salazar lards his conversations with as many flowery compliments and "God willings" as anyone. He is patient and diplomatic with callers on his monthly radio appearance. But once convinced that diplomacy is not getting him anywhere, he abandons talk for action. The sheik in Muqtadiya, a large town north of Baqouba, is learning what happens when he refuses a request from Col. Salazar. The roads across the city -- roads where U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians drive -- have endured a spate of roadside bombs, known as IEDs or improvised explosive devices, in military jargon. A U.S. commander went to discuss the matter with Sheik Allawi. "Sheik Allawi has the ability to manage this problem when he wants to," Col. Salazar said. The bombs did not stop, so Col. Salazar implemented a strategy he has used throughout his area of operations, the western half of Diyala, just north of Baghdad: shut down the road on which any roadside bomb is found for 24 to 48 hours. It is a matter of safety, but also one of spreading the pain. If the local community is inconvenienced by a road closure, goes the theory, perhaps they will put pressure on the insurgents to stop. "But we continued to have IEDs in Muqtadiya," Col. Salazar said. "So we informed the sheik that whenever we find an IED we will eliminate every [obstacle and structure] within a 100 meters of the bomb." In this case, it means date palms and small roadside shacks from which people sell sodas and snacks. Next time it could be more substantial structures. "It's completely within our [rules of engagement]. Anything used by [insurgents and terrorists] can be taken away, from berms to old infrastructures, whatever ... but this is really the first time we've used it. This is a little bit different," Col. Salazar said. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .