From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #382 Dead-Flames Digest #382, Volume #48 Thu, 22 Sep 05 22:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston (Sherry) Re: Got Gas? (Kelly Humphries) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) (Sherry) Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like ("Richard Morris") Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Richard Morris") Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years ("rcb30") Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years ("pv34pv3p") Re: Merlefest 2006 w/ Bob Weir ("Bzl.") Re: George Busch drinking......AGAIN..... ("frndthdevl") Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? (Jeff) Re: George Busch drinking......AGAIN..... (kwin buebly) Re: Brave New World (Tom Beck) Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? ("frndthdevl") 7 story mt ("frndthdevl") Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? (Cassady Ginsberg) Re: Nuke the hurricane! (Tom) Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years ("Carlisle") Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like (Tom Beck) Re: Nuke the hurricane! ("pv34pv3p") Re: Nuke the hurricane! (DG) Re: Nuke the hurricane! ("pv34pv3p") Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years ("Carlisle") Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years ("Carlisle") Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like (Tom Beck) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston From: Sherry Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 02:40:11 GMT I heard someone on the news saying if anyone was refusing to evacuate, they should write their social security number on their arm so'd it'd be easier to identify the bodies. Makes sense to me! Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: Kelly Humphries Subject: Re: Got Gas? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:51:23 -0700 Also sprach leftie : > You might wanna fill your gas tank and top off the home heating oil tank > like, er, today. Then conserve as much of it as you can as long as you > can. Rita is about to make $2.50 a gallon gas seem like a bargain.... There's a scene in the movie "Sideways" (right before they crack up the car) in which a gas station sign is seen in the background. I think the price shown is around 1.80 for regular. When I saw it in the theater -- it couldn't have been more than six months or a year after the scene was shot -- I thought to myself, "geez, remember the good old days when $1.80 was *expensive*?" ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) From: Sherry Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 02:58:47 GMT > Some folks get angry, and hate. Some folks give up. Some folks get > criminal. Some folks manage the best that they can. I have never met a > black person that is not touched by this, emotionally and psychologically, > in a way that the dominant culture never experiences, usually doesn't see, > and is typically unaware of. To me, that is the true face of racism in this > country in 2005. Very true. I see the Asian side, given my family. It's utterly amazing to me how many white people adopt Asian kids - and claim rasicm doesn't exist because "they never see it". And "if they didn't bring it on themselves, it would be fine." They, of course, will teach their children otherwise so racially-motivated crime won't happen. ## Recently a news report talked of an young woman being pissed on, literally, for no other reason than because she was Asian, by another student at their college. I mean, that's sick! And sadly, not near the worst that happens on a regular basis. Most of the white folks on my international adopt lists find it "too negative" when stuff like this is mentioned. I see it differently - this could have been MY daughter! Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:05:29 -0700 "Tom Beck" wrote in message news:4333651A.9070904@pclink.com... > >> "JC Martin" wrote in message >> news:_gxYe.281$u8.4811@typhoon.sonic.net... >> >>>Sherry wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Richard sees thousands of kids all the time and HE doesn't see this huge >>>>problem that you claim you have proof exists - and your "proof" is >>>>because >>>>the media said so. >>> >>>See Richard. There's that media thing again. It's in her head, not >>>mine. > > No. It's called citing a source. Doesn't > mean the source is right, but at least it means > she didn't make it up. > > Tom The very great irony here is that the media "source" that started alla this shit was a *British* newspaper, talking about the explosion of drugged kids in *England*. R. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:09:08 -0700 "Sherry" wrote in message news:BF58E7A5.55166%sherry13@together.net... >> Some folks get angry, and hate. Some folks give up. Some folks get >> criminal. Some folks manage the best that they can. I have never met a >> black person that is not touched by this, emotionally and >> psychologically, >> in a way that the dominant culture never experiences, usually doesn't >> see, >> and is typically unaware of. To me, that is the true face of racism in >> this >> country in 2005. > > Very true. I see the Asian side, given my family. It's utterly amazing to > me > how many white people adopt Asian kids - and claim rasicm doesn't exist > because "they never see it". And "if they didn't bring it on themselves, > it > would be fine." They, of course, will teach their children otherwise so > racially-motivated crime won't happen. ## > > Recently a news report talked of an young woman being pissed on, > literally, > for no other reason than because she was Asian, by another student at > their > college. I mean, that's sick! And sadly, not near the worst that happens > on > a regular basis. > > Most of the white folks on my international adopt lists find it "too > negative" when stuff like this is mentioned. I see it differently - this > could have been MY daughter! At least you are aware. I have a black niece ... adopted by my brother and sister in law. They are *good* people. But unaware of how to address the cultural issues that this young woman faces. How do you teach someone to protect themself, without teaching them to over-react to the world. Ah well. Hopefully this thread has run its course. R. ------------------------------ From: "rcb30" Subject: Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years Date: 22 Sep 2005 20:09:22 -0700 When someone takes a baseball bat and slams it into your knee, it is predictable to gnash, wince, cry, and shout. - rcb ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years Date: 22 Sep 2005 20:15:05 -0700 Dunno... Leave an address and someone will get back to ya... pv34pv3p ------------------------------ From: "Bzl." Subject: Re: Merlefest 2006 w/ Bob Weir Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:19:13 -0400 "Jim" wrote in message news:MPG.1d9ca87daa0fb0ab9896c8@news.duke.edu... > Just a heads up. They announced the prelim artist lineup yesterday and > one of the surprises is they have Bob Weir announced to play with The > Wilders. I saw The Wilders last year at MF and they were great. Will > be interesting to see Bob play with them. > > Jim There goes the neighborhood. ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: George Busch drinking......AGAIN..... Date: 22 Sep 2005 20:20:24 -0700 Uncle John wrote: > "drmz" wrote in news:1127428015.784413.68470 > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > looks like he's been doing some lines lately too with all the jaw > > twitches lately during his speeches... can't imagine a coked up, drunk > > Bush running around playing President... > > > > drmz > > > > Funny thing, given the newsgroup, its hard to bust his and his daughters' > stones for doing what many of us have, and in some cases, still do. But not many of us are in a power of position to inflict our now hypocritical view on others. Knocking his daughters for being partiers like their God fearin daddy is a bit different than attacking a 13 year old Chelsea Clinton for being ugly. Much more fun and less spiteful huh? The man > has many faults, but give him slack when it ain't throwing stones at the > glass house, again, not many of us are in power to have ever sent people to jail for the behavior we may have once indulged in. And just because we got a new puppet master our views changed and we started going overboard attacking the un-repntant. Nothing worse than a reformed (enter your substance of choice abuser here). except for one who influences law makers,judges and political sycophants. > especially when you're going on bullshit rumours. > might be a rumor. Might also be true. I would not be one who would want to blame his behaviors on a substance though. Just because he said he quit at one time,and now he drinks does not mean his shitty governance was from that.Just because somebdoy calls somebody else an alcoholic does not mean it is so. Only is so when that person says so. I think that concentrating on the "what ifs" of his drinking dimninishes his ineptitude. You know Clinton drank after a long day with his Cuba Libres, hmm falling down Gregg Norman's stairs late at night? But of course he did his locking up of (,oh yeah,nevermind,)in the dark.lol Not like Bush has a history(more than 1) of driving drunk or beating on Laura. His drinking for me is just another sign of the hypocrisy the Right and other almost as bad politiicans preach to us but live so much differently. came up smilin RRE at teh Delaware Riverkeepers benefit fest hit Listen Live http://www.homegrownradionj.com/ playin now >Now the deficit, that's something to crack on him... ------------------------------ From: Jeff Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:10:42 -0600 Neil X. wrote: > Hey, the Phil shows I saw last December at the Warfield with the same > personnel as this tour (well, they had the Particle guy instead of > Mookie on keys) was the most amazing post-Jerry Dead-like shows I ever > saw. I'll go one better. I didn't get to see it, only hear the recordings...but I'd go so far as to say they could have been the best performances since...oh...1990 or so. Most of the last 5 years with Jerry were pretty awful compared to those Warfield shows. ~Jeff ------------------------------ From: kwin buebly Subject: Re: George Busch drinking......AGAIN..... Reply-To: usenetonly@nospam.net Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:32:46 GMT On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:45:02 -0500, Uncle John wrote: >"drmz" wrote in news:1127428015.784413.68470 >@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > >> looks like he's been doing some lines lately too with all the jaw >> twitches lately during his speeches... can't imagine a coked up, drunk >> Bush running around playing President... >> >> drmz >> > >Funny thing, given the newsgroup, its hard to bust his and his daughters' >stones for doing what many of us have, and in some cases, still do. The man >has many faults, but give him slack when it ain't throwing stones at the >glass house, especially when you're going on bullshit rumours. > >Now the deficit, that's something to crack on him... As much as I detest Bush and what he has done to this country, I am deeply saddened by the news that a fellow alcoholic has fallen off the wagon. ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:41:42 -0500 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >>Does it work this way everywhere? Nope. > > > Got that right. In Nevada they cram 40 kids (20 of them bored) into a > classroom with one teacher. If a kid acts up he's either kicked out or told > to go see a doctor so he can be drugged up. > > That's it. They don't have time for all that coddling. In my grade, junior and senior high schools you either got detention or sent to the assistant principal's office. Neither of which you wanted. Drugs (illegal excepted) were not taken. Expulsion from school did happen, but only in the most extreme cases. Tom ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: 22 Sep 2005 20:42:44 -0700 Neil X. wrote: > Hey, the Phil shows I saw last December at the Warfield with the same > personnel as this tour (well, they had the Particle guy instead of > Mookie on keys) was the most amazing post-Jerry Dead-like shows I ever > saw. They were marvelous. Don't miss it. yeah,because Tim Carbone,and to a lesser extent John Skehan of Railroad Earth was there. ; ) Phil and Friends without Carbone? snorrrrrrr of course one could hope of a homestate sit in. peace jeff http://www.themenupage.com/originaljoes.html ------------------------------ From: "frndthdevl" Subject: 7 story mt Date: 22 Sep 2005 20:46:40 -0700 http://www.homegrownradionj.com/ listen live 7 story mt now playing 11:45 est for 1 minute check it out Phil did. lol "sometimes its hard to let it go" ------------------------------ From: Cassady Ginsberg Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:47:05 +0000 (UTC) "Neil X." wrote: } > Matt wrote: } > } > the HOB-AC capactiy is 2,400 } } 2400?? Damn, that's 20% bigger than the } Orpheum....... Um, I was told there were be no math.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Tom Subject: Re: Nuke the hurricane! Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:47:23 -0500 Is it a coincidence that Bush is an oilman and we have record oil prices/profits? Is it a coincidence that Cheney profits millions on Iraq war? It is more plausible that WE created the hurricanes... higher oil prices, more work for Halliburton... ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years Date: 22 Sep 2005 21:09:44 -0700 pv34pv3p- You trouble maker you. How DARE you come on a Grateful Dead newsgroup and defend anything Bush, anything??!! You ignorant slut. (Kudos to Dave Kelly for that mock slur). OK. I'm not consumed with hate. I'm too "young and ignorant" to be that intelligent and deep. Over on RMP, I'm an clueless old hippie so I really can't win. But I'll tell you what, I'll give him a fair shake. How's that? ;-} Keep it interesting. Trolls R People Too. Carrie ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:27:01 -0500 Jeff wrote: > > JC Martin wrote: > >> Questionnaires are in fact the #1 >> diagnostic tool for diagnosing ADD, not brain scans. > > > I thought they just checked to see if you could sit through an entire > "SeaStones" performance without leaving the room. > > Anyone who makes it is labeled "AASD" (Acute Attention Surplus Disorder) "Wave to the Wind". Blag! Tom ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Nuke the hurricane! Date: 22 Sep 2005 21:24:45 -0700 >Is it a coincidence that Bush is an oilman and we have record oil >prices/profits? If he's as stupid as ya'll say...Then I'd have to say yes...Complete coincidence...Can't argue that without contradicting yourself... >Is it a coincidence that Cheney profits millions on Iraq war? See above.. It is more plausible that WE created the hurricanes... higher oil prices, more work for Halliburton... Dunno... Just got off the Cell with my brother from Houston... Me: Are ya stuck headed north? Him:"Hell no! I ain't stuck on stupid" pv34pv3p(Brother jammin' 90 to Matamoros....) ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Re: Nuke the hurricane! Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:28:29 -0700 pv34pv3p wrote: > >>Is it a coincidence that Bush is an oilman and we have record oil >>prices/profits? > >If he's as stupid as ya'll say...Then I'd have to say yes...Complete >coincidence...Can't argue that without contradicting yourself... > >>Is it a coincidence that Cheney profits millions on Iraq war? > >See above.. > >It is more plausible that WE created the hurricanes... higher oil >prices, more work for Halliburton... > >Dunno... > >Just got off the Cell with my brother from Houston... > >Me: Are ya stuck headed north? > >Him:"Hell no! I ain't stuck on stupid" > >pv34pv3p(Brother jammin' 90 to Matamoros....) I'd rather take my chance with a hurricane than go to Matamoros. ------------------------------ From: "pv34pv3p" Subject: Re: Nuke the hurricane! Date: 22 Sep 2005 21:33:51 -0700 >I'd rather take my chance with a hurricane than go to Matamoros Mamma always said: "Stupid is as stupid does". pv34pv3p(Get back in line with the rest of the sheep...) ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years Date: 22 Sep 2005 21:33:56 -0700 pv34pv3p- You trouble maker you. How DARE you come on a Grateful Dead nesgroup and defend anything Bush, anything??!! You ignorant slut (kudos to Dave Kelly for that mock slur). OK. I'm not consumed with hate. I'm too "young and ignorant" to be that intelligent and deep. Over on RMP, I'm a clueless old hippie so I really can't win. But I'll tell you what, I'll give him a fair shake. How's that? ;-} Keep it interesting. Trolls R People Too. Carrie ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: People so Consumed by Hatred for W That They Haven't Had an Unpredictable Thought in 5 years Date: 22 Sep 2005 21:47:42 -0700 pv34pv3p- How dare you come on a Grateful Dead newgroup and defend anything Bush, anything??!! You ignorant slut. (kudos to Dave Kelly for that mock slur) OK. I'm not consumed with hate, I'm too young and clueless to be that intelligent and deep. Over on RMP, I'm a clueless old hippie so I really can't win. But I'll tell you what, I'll give him a fair shake. How's that? ;} Keep it interesting. Trolls R People Too. Carrie ps-yes, I just corrected a grammar mistake. ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:00:23 -0500 JC Martin wrote: >>> No. It's called citing a source. Doesn't >>> mean the source is right, but at least it means >>> she didn't make it up. >> >> >> >> >> It'called citing a source??? What the heck are you talking about? > > > > She didn't cite a source. She made blanket statements about the media, > and then went to say that brain scans are the detection method for > diagnosing ADD/ADHD. > > Nuff said for the friggin' last time! Come at me one more time wid dat > boooolshit and there's gonna be drama, know what I'm sayin'? > Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight! > > -JC > *about to get drunk, turn on Dr. Phil and yell at my television screen* OK, Ok, so she didn't cite a *specific* source. But she did say where her information came from. Vague perhaps, but not without some worth. I suspect she'll name names if really required to do so. "Drama"? Give me a fucking break. Drama is what I live for. 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