From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #375 Dead-Flames Digest #375, Volume #48 Thu, 22 Sep 05 13:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Dickey Betts in SF (Joe) Re: Dickey Betts in SF (Joe) Re: Dickey Betts in SF ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: 1972 (brew ziggins) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("Carlisle") ks you like (Ken Fortenberry) Re: Chet Helms Tribal Stomp Lineup ("katrinka") Re: I love a good Franklins ("Carlisle") Re: I love a good Franklins ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Dickey Betts in SF (Jeff) Re: I love a good Franklins ("RickNBarbInSD") Re: Hey New Guy! (Edwin Hurwitz) Re: 69 limited 10 cd set ~ (Edwin Hurwitz) Re: I love a good Franklins ("Carlisle") Re: Brave New World ("Richard Morris") Re: Hey New Guy! ("Rogues Island's finest") Re: I love a good Franklins ("Greg Sasso") Republican Bush Bashing! (DG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 22 Sep 2005 11:54:51 -0700 Sherry wrote: > in article 1127366026.847104.4610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Carlisle at > carrie-cox@insightbb.com wrote on 9/22/05 1:13: > > > > > frndthdevl wrote: > >> RickNBarbInSD wrote: > >>> volkfolk wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Life is NEVER a level playing field. > >>> > >>>> Scot > >>> > >>> > >>> The Way It Is > >>> > >>> Bruce Hornsby > >> > >> Tupac > >>> > >>> > >>> Standing in line marking time, waiting for the welfare dime > >>> 'Cause they can't buy a job > >>> The man in the silk suit hurries by as he catches the poor ladies' eyes > >>> Just for fun he says "get a job" > >>> > >>> > >>> That's just the way it is > >>> Some things will never change > >>> That's just the way it is > >>> Ah, but don't you believe them > >> > >> Come on come on > >> I see no changes. Wake up in the morning and I ask myself, > >> "Is life worth living? Should I blast myself?" > >> I'm tired of bein' poor and even worse I'm black. > >> My stomach hurts, so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch. > >> Cops give a damn about a negro? Pull the trigger, kill a nigga, he's a > >> hero. > >> Give the crack to the kids who the hell cares? One less hungry mouth on > >> the welfare. > >> First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers. > >> Give 'em guns, step back, and watch 'em kill each other. > >> "It's time to fight back", that's what Huey said. > >> 2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead. > >> I got love for my brother, but we can never go nowhere > >> unless we share with each other. We gotta start makin' changes. > >> Learn to see me as a brother 'stead of 2 distant strangers. > >> And that's how it's supposed to be. > >> How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me? > >> I'd love to go back to when we played as kids, > >> but things change, and that's the way it is. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> They say hey little boy you can't go where the others go > >>> 'Cause you don't look like they do > >>> Said hey old man how can you stand to think that way > >>> Did you really think about it before you made the rules > >>> He said, Son > >>> > >>> > >>> That's just the way it is > >>> Some things will never change > >>> That's just the way it is > >>> Ah, but don't you believe them > >> I see no changes. All I see is racist faces. > >> Misplaced hate makes disgrace for races we under. > >> I wonder what it takes to make this one better place... > >> let's erase the wasted. > >> Take the evil out the people, they'll be acting right. > >> 'Cause mo' black than white is smokin' crack tonight. > >> And only time we chill is when we kill each other. > >> It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other. > >> And although it seems heaven sent, > >> we ain't ready to see a black President, uhh. > >> It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact... > >> the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks. > >> But some things will never change. > >> Try to show another way, but they stayin' in the dope game. > >> Now tell me what's a mother to do? > >> Bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you. > >> You gotta operate the easy way. > >> "I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way. > >> Sellin' crack to the kids. "I gotta get paid," > >> Well hey, well that's the way it is. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Well they passed a law in '64 to give those who ain't got a little more > >>> But it only goes so far > >>> Because the law don't change another's mind when all it sees at the > >>> hiring time > >>> Is the line on the color bar > >>> > >>> > >>> That's just the way it is > >>> Some things will never change > >>> That's just the way it is > >>> Ah, but don't you believe them > >> We gotta make a change... > >> It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes. > >> Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live > >> and let's change the way we treat each other. > >> You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do > >> what we gotta do, to survive. > >> > >> And still I see no changes. Can't a brother get a little peace? > >> There's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East. > >> Instead of war on poverty, > >> they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me. > >> And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do. > >> But now I'm back with the facts givin' 'em back to you. > >> Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up, crack you up and pimp smack you > >> up. > >> You gotta learn to hold ya own. > >> They get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone. > >> But tell the cops they can't touch this. > >> I don't trust this, when they try to rush I bust this. > >> That's the sound of my tune. You say it ain't cool, but mama didn't > >> raise no fool. > >> And as long as I stay black, I gotta stay strapped & I never get to lay > >> back. > >> 'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs. > >> Some buck that I roughed up way back... comin' back after all these > >> years. > >> Rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat. That's the way it is. uhh > > > > Funny. > > Funny? I think it's.... unbearably sad. > > Sherry in Vermont Sherry in VT- It's just so so so *rap*, that's all. "Rat-a-tat-tat-tat. That's the way it is. uhh" Too much of life is...unbearably sad, as you say. Humor is the best medicine oftentimes. Carlisle in KY ------------------------------ From: "ARON KAY" Crossposted-To: rec.music.beatles,alt.thebird.hippie,uk.music.folk Subject: DYLANOLOGIST AJ WEBERMAN'S NEW BOOK ON DYLAN Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:51:40 GMT The Yippie Museum Press presents THE DYLAN TO ENGLISH DICTIONARY http://www.booksurge.com/product.php3?bookID=GPUB03733-00001 Description: Translation of 600 words in the poetry of Bob Dylan based on the Dylanological Method. Compiled by A.J. Weberman, Dylanologist, who went through Dylan's trash and invented the science of Garbology. Read a Sample ============================================================================ ---- Related Categories: LITERARY CRITICISM & COLLECTIONS / General MUSIC / Rock POETRY / Single Author / American ============================================================================ ---- ------------------------------ From: leftie Subject: Re: Dickey Betts in SF Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:58:39 -0700 Joe wrote: > You gonna be there tonight, Leftie? Nope... gots to work late. Have fun. ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:02:11 GMT JC Martin wrote: > Ken Fortenberry wrote: >> ... She lives in the >> situation, all you do is sit behind a keyboard and >> pontificate about how much more you know about the >> situation than she does. ... > > She used her own kid's ADHD to put forth an absolute position which is > false. Sorry, but when some makes a claim regarding brain scans that is > false and then says, "I'M RIGHT", I KNOW", she's fair game. She started > with the lecture. End of story. > > Anyway, I've had enough of this lunacy with the idea that it's a media > conspiracy in which to paint mothers as lazy. Bizarre. Count me out. Dispensing medical advice on a Usenet rec.music.* newsgroup is the second dumbest thing you can do here, especially if the medical advice involves someone else's kid. The dumbest thing of course, would be listening to that advice. EOT for me. -- Ken Fortenberry ------------------------------ From: "katrinka" Subject: Re: Chet Helms Tribal Stomp Lineup Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:02:30 -0400 Qwerty I hear you can't even smoke in GGP anymore? > >WTF? > >If people can't smoke cigs, how do you get away with smoking anything else? I haven't heard of any enforcement of the "no smoking in parks" law yet in SF - except in cases where someone specifically complained about the smoker. And so far the only penalty I've heard of is for the smoker to be told to put out the cigarette or he/she will be cited (ie - they're being informed about the law, but no tickets are being issued if the smoker cooperates.) Of course, I AM talking about cigarettes. katrinka PS - all the construction work in the park - museums being rebuilt, underground garage being constructed - I'm sure those workers are taking cigarette breaks IN the park, and not being ticketed. ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: 22 Sep 2005 12:00:56 -0700 Joe wrote: > Well, around the time that the Dead introduced Lost Sailor, I owned a 20 > foot sailboat on SF Bay, and even had a custom-made captain's t-shirt that > read "Dead-A-Head." So, I had a special love of Lost Sailor. > > But, it was the 70s when I reached the height of my Dead, ummm, err, > mania, so that when I look back now, 20something years later, Lost Sailor > really was, just about, the high point of 80s Dead songs for me. > > Sorry, but after Keith and Donna, that Brent guy did nothing for me. Nada. > Aside from some occassional Greek Theater Magic, it was all 'downhill from > there.' > > Joe Now that's just so Old School. ;} Brent was the best harmonizer the boyz ever had- And he could work magic on the piano AND the organ. Not necessarily any better than the era you are promoting, just a different kind of magic. Do I have a second here?? p&l, carrie ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: 22 Sep 2005 12:08:57 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > Joe wrote: > > Well, around the time that the Dead introduced Lost Sailor, I owned a 20 > > foot sailboat on SF Bay, and even had a custom-made captain's t-shirt that > > read "Dead-A-Head." So, I had a special love of Lost Sailor. > > > > But, it was the 70s when I reached the height of my Dead, ummm, err, > > mania, so that when I look back now, 20something years later, Lost Sailor > > really was, just about, the high point of 80s Dead songs for me. > > > > Sorry, but after Keith and Donna, that Brent guy did nothing for me. Nada. > > Aside from some occassional Greek Theater Magic, it was all 'downhill from > > there.' > > > > Joe > > Now that's just so Old School. ;} > Brent was the best harmonizer the boyz ever had- > And he could work magic on the piano AND the organ. > Not necessarily any better than the era you are promoting, just a > different kind of magic. Do I have a second here?? > p&l, > carrie You do have a second here for Joe and his Keith and Donna era!!!!! ;D The Grateful Dead were NEVER "better" than those golden days for me. But, having said that I do indeed concur with you Carrie as far as "Brent...could work magic on the piano AND the organ. Not necessarily any better than the era you are promoting, just a different kind of magic." Hey Carrie, stay plush willya? ;D Rick ------------------------------ From: Jeff Subject: Re: Dickey Betts in SF Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:57:09 -0600 Rogues Island's finest wrote: > leftie wrote: > >>http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=sfbay&query=detail&event=615016 > > > Ok, who else already knows Joe's response to this one? The same as all Joe's responses since being added to the killfile. Blissful silence. ------------------------------ From: "RickNBarbInSD" Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: 22 Sep 2005 12:10:45 -0700 RickNBarbInSD wrote: > Carlisle wrote: > > Joe wrote: > > > Well, around the time that the Dead introduced Lost Sailor, I owned a 20 > > > foot sailboat on SF Bay, and even had a custom-made captain's t-shirt that > > > read "Dead-A-Head." So, I had a special love of Lost Sailor. > > > > > > But, it was the 70s when I reached the height of my Dead, ummm, err, > > > mania, so that when I look back now, 20something years later, Lost Sailor > > > really was, just about, the high point of 80s Dead songs for me. > > > > > > Sorry, but after Keith and Donna, that Brent guy did nothing for me. Nada. > > > Aside from some occassional Greek Theater Magic, it was all 'downhill from > > > there.' > > > > > > Joe > > > > Now that's just so Old School. ;} > > Brent was the best harmonizer the boyz ever had- > > And he could work magic on the piano AND the organ. > > Not necessarily any better than the era you are promoting, just a > > different kind of magic. Do I have a second here?? > > p&l, > > carrie > > > You do have a second here for Joe and his Keith and Donna era!!!!! ;D > > The Grateful Dead were NEVER "better" than those golden days for me. > But, having said that I do indeed concur with you Carrie as far as > "Brent...could work magic on the piano AND the organ. Not necessarily > any better than the era you are promoting, just a different kind of > magic." > > > Hey Carrie, stay plush willya? ;D > > Rick Then again I am definitely "old school"!!!!! ;D Rick ------------------------------ From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Hey New Guy! Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:19:57 -0600 In article , "ggull" wrote: > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > news:dgd4q2$174g$1@news.iquest.net... > > Okay, mister smarty pants Lighting Designer, how many deadheads does it > > take to change a light bulb? > > You can't change a lightbulb. The lightbulb has to change itself. > Deadheads can only provide a safe environment for it to change. None, they just let it burn out and follow it around the country. Edwin -- http://www.theetherealplane.com ------------------------------ From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: 69 limited 10 cd set ~ Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:21:46 -0600 I knew when this got announced that if I didn't get it, I would hate myself. At $8 a disc, it seems like a no brainer. It's a pretty long wait, though..... Edwin -- http://www.theetherealplane.com ------------------------------ From: "Carlisle" Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: 22 Sep 2005 12:35:40 -0700 RickNBarbInSD wrote: > RickNBarbInSD wrote: > > Carlisle wrote: > > > Joe wrote: > > > > Well, around the time that the Dead introduced Lost Sailor, I owned a 20 > > > > foot sailboat on SF Bay, and even had a custom-made captain's t-shirt that > > > > read "Dead-A-Head." So, I had a special love of Lost Sailor. > > > > > > > > But, it was the 70s when I reached the height of my Dead, ummm, err, > > > > mania, so that when I look back now, 20something years later, Lost Sailor > > > > really was, just about, the high point of 80s Dead songs for me. > > > > > > > > Sorry, but after Keith and Donna, that Brent guy did nothing for me. Nada. > > > > Aside from some occassional Greek Theater Magic, it was all 'downhill from > > > > there.' > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > Now that's just so Old School. ;} > > > Brent was the best harmonizer the boyz ever had- > > > And he could work magic on the piano AND the organ. > > > Not necessarily any better than the era you are promoting, just a > > > different kind of magic. Do I have a second here?? > > > p&l, > > > carrie > > > > > > You do have a second here for Joe and his Keith and Donna era!!!!! ;D > > > > The Grateful Dead were NEVER "better" than those golden days for me. > > But, having said that I do indeed concur with you Carrie as far as > > "Brent...could work magic on the piano AND the organ. Not necessarily > > any better than the era you are promoting, just a different kind of > > magic." > > > > > > Hey Carrie, stay plush willya? ;D > > > > Rick > > > > > Then again I am definitely "old school"!!!!! ;D > > > Rick I'm considered Old School over on RMP, Rick. Friggin kidzz. I was even called a "washed up old hippie" today. Thought you all might enjoy that one. Right now, I'm really groovin' on 11-14-73. I realize *it* doesn't get any better than this. Jerry was making his guitar produce all different tones and sounds. This show is simply inspiring. Here's the link that a kind person threw me along with some better downloading info- http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12132 It's that good- cheers, Carrie ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:36:57 -0700 "frndthdevl" wrote in message news:1127414036.169272.226060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > >> Most teachers are very sensitive to criticism. >> >> EGBH > > most teachers are OVERLY sensitive to criticism. especially of their > union lol > Yeah ... I heard they support mandatory minimums too. ------------------------------ From: "Rogues Island's finest" Subject: Re: Hey New Guy! Date: 22 Sep 2005 12:38:12 -0700 Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > In article , > "ggull" wrote: > > > "Steve Terry" wrote in message > > news:dgd4q2$174g$1@news.iquest.net... > > > Okay, mister smarty pants Lighting Designer, how many deadheads does it > > > take to change a light bulb? > > > > You can't change a lightbulb. The lightbulb has to change itself. > > Deadheads can only provide a safe environment for it to change. > > None, they just let it burn out and follow it around the country. While scores of others tape the whole thing! My neighbor, an avowed hater of our favorite band, told me this joke with great glee the other day. Har. Mark ------------------------------ From: "Greg Sasso" Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: 22 Sep 2005 12:38:07 -0700 Carlisle wrote: > RickNBarbInSD wrote: > > RickNBarbInSD wrote: > > > Carlisle wrote: > > > > Joe wrote: > > > > > Well, around the time that the Dead introduced Lost Sailor, I owned a 20 > > > > > foot sailboat on SF Bay, and even had a custom-made captain's t-shirt that > > > > > read "Dead-A-Head." So, I had a special love of Lost Sailor. > > > > > > > > > > But, it was the 70s when I reached the height of my Dead, ummm, err, > > > > > mania, so that when I look back now, 20something years later, Lost Sailor > > > > > really was, just about, the high point of 80s Dead songs for me. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, but after Keith and Donna, that Brent guy did nothing for me. Nada. > > > > > Aside from some occassional Greek Theater Magic, it was all 'downhill from > > > > > there.' > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > Now that's just so Old School. ;} > > > > Brent was the best harmonizer the boyz ever had- > > > > And he could work magic on the piano AND the organ. > > > > Not necessarily any better than the era you are promoting, just a > > > > different kind of magic. Do I have a second here?? > > > > p&l, > > > > carrie > > > > > > > > > You do have a second here for Joe and his Keith and Donna era!!!!! ;D > > > > > > The Grateful Dead were NEVER "better" than those golden days for me. > > > But, having said that I do indeed concur with you Carrie as far as > > > "Brent...could work magic on the piano AND the organ. Not necessarily > > > any better than the era you are promoting, just a different kind of > > > magic." > > > > > > > > > Hey Carrie, stay plush willya? ;D > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > Then again I am definitely "old school"!!!!! ;D > > > > > > Rick > > I'm considered Old School over on RMP, Rick. Friggin kidzz. > I was even called a "washed up old hippie" today. Thought you all might > enjoy that one. > > Right now, I'm really groovin' on 11-14-73. I realize *it* doesn't get > any better than this. Jerry was making his guitar produce all different > tones and sounds. This show is simply inspiring. Here's the link that a > kind person threw me along with some better downloading info- > http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12132 > The stretch of 11/11/73 - 11/21/73 might be my favorite in GD history. That could change in 5 minutes. ------------------------------ From: DG Subject: Republican Bush Bashing! Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:01:32 -0700 Glad to see the thinkers of the Republican party have woken up. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20050922.shtml Bushie is a piece of shit. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service addresses, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, are as follows: Internet: dead-flames-request@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames-request%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames-request You can send mail to the entire list (and rec.music.gdead) via one of these addresses: Internet: dead-flames@gdead.berkeley.edu Bitnet: dead-flames%gdead.berkeley.edu@ucbcmsa Uucp: ...!{ucbvax,uunet}!gdead.berkeley.edu!dead-flames End of Dead-Flames Digest ****************************** .