From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #372 Dead-Flames Digest #372, Volume #48 Thu, 22 Sep 05 10:00:01 PDT Contents: Re: Rhino's Fillmore 3 disc set ("Dylanstubs") Re: rock star (ndc) ("pookietooth") Re: Brave New World (Brad Greer) Re: I love a good Franklins (Joe) Re: 1972 (Brad Greer) Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston (Brad Greer) Re: That Jet Blue Landing gear thing (NDC) (bill.robinette@gmail.com) Re: 69 limited 10 cd set ~ ("scarletbgonias@hotmail.com") Re: Brave New World ("Richard Morris") Re: Voting with the dead. (some dead content) (Peter_Wimsey) Re: Brave New World ("Richard Morris") Re: Brave New World (Brad Greer) Re: SKB - Coach House ("Stuknot") Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Re: New Garcia Plays Dylan CD! ("imsjry") Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston ("Dylanstubs") Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston ("imsjry") Re: Brave New World ("Richard Morris") Re: Voting with the dead. (some dead content) ("Dave Kelly") Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: 69 limited 10 cd set ~ ("Dave Kelly") Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Merlefest 2006 w/ Bob Weir (Jim) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: Rhino's Fillmore 3 disc set Date: 22 Sep 2005 08:35:15 -0700 >Richard Morris wrote: > Is this the Owsley special edition release? > > :) Is there a secret spot to lick??? :D ------------------------------ From: "pookietooth" Subject: Re: rock star (ndc) Date: 22 Sep 2005 08:47:55 -0700 Schmoe wrote: > pookietooth wrote: > > > I was surprised to see Navarro involved. Maybe he just wanted some > > face time with Brooke Burke. > > > Nah, he just wants to continue his media separation from JA. Pathetic. Truly > pathetic. You know he's still going to end up in the middle of a Carmen Electra - Brooke Burke sandwich. Lucky bastard! ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:46:50 -0400 On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:21:24 GMT, Tim Donohoe wrote: >Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: >> >> It blows my mind that any parent would seriously consider drugging up their >> kid with some freaky chemical just because some nitwit doctor gets kickbacks >> from some giant drug conglomerate. >> > >THank god there was no ritalin when I was a kid. > >> Kids are naturally impatient and bouncy. Since most of them have no parents >> around to guide or raise them during most of their day, and since the >> schools they leave them at are often dull and incredibly boring, it >> shouldn't surprise anyone that kids get antsie. >> > >It seems to me that intelligent kids show signs of ADD more often than >average ones, even when the parent and teacher thinks they are >challenging them, the kids are still bored. Activities that involve a >physical and mental workout might calm the kids down a bit. > Part of the problem too is that suggesting a child might be "bored" in school is considered a major insult by teachers. My son (2 1/2 years old) was starting to act out, a lot, in his day care classroom this past spring. We would get notes every day that he was defiant, that he wouldn't play nicely with other kids, that he was argumentative, etc. The behavior started to happen at home as well. We took a closer look at his classroom and the kids in it. The toys were entirely "babier" than what he was playing with at home. The kids were all little girls, around his age, but more passive and less active than he was. We figured it out pretty quickly after this - he was bored, he wasn't being challenged so "arguing" with the day care teacher was his way of making the day more interesting. My wife was telling this to her mother (a kindergarden teacher) and said we were going to talk to the day care director about moving him into a different room with older kids and older toys to challenge him some more. "Don't tell her your son is bored! That will only get the director and the teachers angry. There's nothing worse you can tell a teacher than the child is bored. No little child can ever be bored, there's so much new to them every day," we were told by my mother-in-law. We disregarded her advice. We sat down with the director, we told her what was going on and she agreed that our son sounded bored. She found some available space in a room of kids about a year older than him, we moved him there the next day. We also talked with the teacher in his room (who also teaches a weekly music class that he loves) and said it seemed like he was bored, in part because the toys were too young for him, in part because the other kids were much less active than him. She agreed, and felt that moving to another class would be good for him. We told her we were keeping him in the music class and she said he never acted out during music, probably because he wasn't bored. When we made the change we saw an almost immediate improvement - he was really challenged by these kids (a year difference is huge at that age) and had to really work hard at keeping up with them for various activiities. His new teacher, the director and his old teacher all agreed - he had been bored in his old environment, moving to a more challenging environment was the best thing for him to keep him engaged and having fun. Had they had the reaction of my mother-in-law to the word "bored" they probably would have been much more willing to work with us and might have gone down the route of suggesting our son had a problem because "little kids can't be bored." ------------------------------ From: Joe Subject: Re: I love a good Franklins Date: 22 Sep 2005 15:59:53 GMT Stephen St. wrote: > sailor saint never fit anywhere except during a bathroom break "Sailor/Saint Sucks" is yet another one of those "facts" you'd never know if you hadn't read it on rmgd. Sailor/Saint was the only redeeming aspect of the 1980s Grateful Dead. Joe ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: 1972 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:56:23 -0400 On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:57:53 -0400, brew ziggins wrote: >Thus spake hayman@nospam.duke.edu... >> OK, so I have always held that '72 was a tad overhyped because it was >> the first of the 3 "exploration" years, and so for people who were there >> (not me) it outshines '73 and '74, and in the recordings it has a >> certain something. I tend to argue that '74, and June, '74 in particular >> is the peak year for that era. > >72-74 is the Himalaya's of GD History. Many, many peaks, and the valleys >you can find are still 15,000 feet above sea level. > > >> But last night I was listening to a show in september of '72 (can't >> recall the exact date), and between the playin', the China-Rider, .... >> I just really think I need to get back to some '72 shows. > >Yes. Yes you do. Grab as much September, October and November as you >can. Then get ahold of a copy of that DVD with shns (or flacs?) of most >or all of the Euro '72 shows. I'd imagine you'd need a couple of DVDs to hold all of Europe '72, even in FLAC format. There were a good number of shows, and they were usually long shows to boot. Would still be an excellent set to have, though. ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:54:04 -0400 On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:48:30 -0400, DB wrote: >Stephen St. wrote: >> Talk about stupid and selfish. This 50 something lady was being asked if she >> was gonna evac, and she said no. She also said a lot of her friends arent >> gonna leave. When asked why(I yelled my answer for her- "because Im >> stoooooooopid"), she said that she and her friends didnt believe it was >> going to hit directly or very hard. >> >> I mean WTF? Not only is she stupid, but she went on TV to brag on her >> stupidity. People never, ever cease to amaze me. >> >> Question to left coasters...if somehow they could forcast a 8.0 magnatude >> quake was gonna hit near you, would you evacuate? >> >> > >There is something very Darwinian about this situation. > Yeah, except that at 50 she's already probably had all the kids she's going to have. The damage to the gene pool has been done. ------------------------------ From: bill.robinette@gmail.com Subject: Re: That Jet Blue Landing gear thing (NDC) Date: 22 Sep 2005 08:54:12 -0700 Stephen St. wrote: > "Schmoe" wrote in message > news:s_xYe.922$dl2.584@fe08.lga... > > > > As a pilot, I can tell you that landing gear issues very rarely end with > > injuries or deaths. It's really not that big a deal. There may be some > > aircraft damage but almost always nothing more. > > I watched some channel and they had the pilot of that Souix City DC10 that > lost its tail mounted engine and all hydrolic power back in the 80's. His > landing was a miracle and some amazing skill by the pilots. Whoever was the > newscaster asked him all kinds of questions that were just a joke ie: > compare this to your landing mr haynes?...etc....You could just hear what > this guy wanted to say..."I had no hydrolic fluid in my jumbo jet and we > were doomed. This plane at worst will lose its nose gear and slide down the > biggest runway in the west. Yes, many similiarities...lol > > > The media, oddly enough, plays these things up like it's a distaster > > waiting to happen. > > That shouldnt be....lol I was laughing at that was well. Those guys on the United 232 flight still crashed quite hard(cart wheeled if I remeber correctly) and the pilot was lucky to even survive that one. I have a suspicion the news guys were waiting for disaster to happen. ------------------------------ From: "scarletbgonias@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: 69 limited 10 cd set ~ Date: 22 Sep 2005 09:02:46 -0700 Ditto Theresa ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:11:53 -0700 "JC Martin" wrote in message news:j1xYe.278$u8.4759@typhoon.sonic.net... > Richard Morris wrote: >> "Sherry" wrote in message >> news:BF5787AA.54EC7%sherry13@together.net... >> >>>>That was why I got so excited >>>>by Sherry's remark that there was a brain-scan diagnosis, because I >>>>thought >>>>perhaps she had become aware of something new. In reality, I suspect >>>>she >>>>mis-spoke about that. >>> >>>I'm actually planning to call my son's doctor tomorrow and ask to clarify >>>that. But I'm pretty sure that's what the record (mri-type brain image - >>>I >>>am not sure of the exact machine they used) says. >>> >>>Sherry in Vermont >>> >> >> >> I don't question that he had a brain scan. But I suspect that it was >> probably use *to rule out organic dysfunction* ... and thus when you have >> ruled out other possible causes, you are left with ADD/ADHD as the >> problem. So in a sense the brain scan may have resulted in a diagnosis of >> ADD, but only through process of elimination. Just a guess. > > > > Look Richard, as someone who works at public school, you know that the way > kids are tested for ADD/ADHD is by observation and questionnaire, not > brain scans. Yes, there are brain scans used by some experimental doctors > to bolster their case, but it's 100% in the realm of the theoretical. But > Sherry KNOWS BETTER because her doctor says so. But I get my views from > the media!!! #### Talk about a crock of shit. > > This thread is starting to get on my nerves big time. JC, please re-read my post. If you know so damned much, then you should know that it is often the case that a variety of medical conditions share similar symptoms. In those cases, the docs will perform tests so that they can *rule out* particular causes. If you have three possible causes for a set of symptoms, and you have performed tests that rule out two of those causes, then what are you left with? This might be the case with certain forms of ADD/ADHD, because it is *not* to my knowledge, directly diagnosable. So you get an aggressive, hyperactive kid with poor impulse control. Is it food allergy? Adrenal tumor? Brain tumor? Behavior disorder? ADHD? You can test directly for the first three. You perform those tests to rule those causes out. This is the only sense that I can make out of Sherry's assertion about a brain scan--that perhaps one was performed to rule out a physiological cause. What is so upsetting about that? R. ------------------------------ From: Peter_Wimsey Subject: Re: Voting with the dead. (some dead content) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:09:23 -0400 Carlisle wrote: >>bbb wrote: >>Even the dead can vote. >> >>This state is wacked! > > > It's not all bad. This site was produced by Jersey republicans-- > http://www.jerseygop.com/RepublicanBabes37.html > They're just still pissed that a dead guy beat Ashcroft in a race a few years ago. N ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:14:09 -0700 "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote in message news:aFxYe.325$aB1.2917@eagle.america.net... > > "Richard Morris" wrote in message > news:g9udnSAtQrTpfazeRVn- > >> Is this proof of Toad's assertion that it is all societal? > > If I said that, I didn't mean it. > > After I posted my list of causes, others pointed out that the food kids > eat must play a part in all this, it just has to. > > I agree. I think so too ... and when you watch a kid eating say cheeto's and a regular, sugar sweetened soda *for breakfast*, you also wonder what their behavior and attention span is going to be like in oh, about 30 minutes. R. ------------------------------ From: Brad Greer Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:49:57 -0400 On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 06:04:52 -0700, "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote: > >"Tom Beck" wrote in message >news:433236D8.2050201@pclink.com... >> Richard Morris wrote: >> >>> "Tom Beck" wrote in message >> >> >>>>I know it sounds a bit harsh, and probably it's >>>>too late now, but when I was a much younger asshole >>>>I learned that a father's belt, though usually used >>>>to hold his pants up, can be put to other uses. >> >> >> >>> Gawd. Tom, we are talking about people who appear to lack impulse >>> control, or organizational skills, and there is nothing they can do about >>> it. You are suggesting beating them? >> >> I sincerely try not to tell others what to think or >> do. If I came across that way "Then what we got here, >> is a failure to communicate." I was a jerk shit young >> asshole when I had less years. It worked on me, that's >> all I know for sure. >> >>> >>> I have a young man right now who may be experiencing a mild form of >>> inattentive ADD. I asked him what it was like in the classroom for him, >>> and he described fairly frequent periods where he simply "fogs out" ... >>> his mind wanders, he loses track of his surroundings, he misses stuff the >>> teacher is talking about. >> >> >> I had a similar problem. Nowadays I think too much pot >> smoking in the parking lot was part of the problem. >> >> >> I picked up his story and asked him if he ever experienced >>> certain things that other kids diagnosed with ADD have described, and he >>> burst into tears! I asked him what was making him cry and he said it was >>> the first time anyone ever seemed to understand what he experiences. His >>> father just thinks he is lazy. >> >> >> That was my problem, in a nutshell. Lazy dip shit. >> >> Tom > > >I have a friend whose new husband supposedly has ADHD. He was diagnosed by >a doctor and put on some drug of some kind. > >His symptoms? He can't balance a checkbook, spends money he doesn't have, >and drives his wife crazy with forgetting to bring things home from the >store. > >Insetad of simply recognizing that she married a typical guy, she takes him >to a doctor and drugs him up! > >This is what I'm talking about. Every flaw, every failure, is now chalked >up to some mental illness and obviously a powerful mind altering drug is the >answer. The doctor was apparently quite eager to diagnose and prescribe. Yeah, I know what you're saying. We no longer want to acknowledge we have individual differences and that some people are spacier than others, some are more hyper, some are more forgetful, etc. Instead, any behavior even slightly out of the "ordinary" has to be given a label and a diagnosis (and often some sort of treatment). >He still forgets the bread and still spends money on porn DVD's. > At least the medications didn't screw up his priorities. ------------------------------ From: "Stuknot" Subject: Re: SKB - Coach House Date: 22 Sep 2005 09:18:34 -0700 Andrew Murawa wrote: > This coming Saturday the 24th... Who's going? Still trying to get it worked out. I'm heading to San Diego to see the mighty New York Football Giants on Sunday so I don't want to press my luck, from the domestic harmony point of view. BTW, if any QB has ever had a "kick me hard" sign on his back, it's going to be Eli on his first visit back to S.D. Hopefully the Giants' offensive line will be up to it. John H. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:21:19 -0700 Dave Kelly wrote: : Really good article about the head led carpetbagger : http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html In Bill Graham's book, he calls the Led Zepplin band a "bunch of thugs". The sought out and severely beat one of his employees he recalls. It got to the point where he wouldn't let them play at his venues. b. ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: New Garcia Plays Dylan CD! Date: 22 Sep 2005 09:20:56 -0700 Olompali4 wrote: > Garcia Plays Dylan with Exclusive Additional Disc (3CDs) This looks SO nice. I can't wait. Any songs that Jerry sang that they missed?? ------------------------------ From: "Dylanstubs" Subject: Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston Date: 22 Sep 2005 09:21:07 -0700 > Ken Fortenberry wrote: > Dylanstubs wrote: > > May the stupid cease to exist. > > That's a little harsh. There is colder water in the Gulf > between Rita and Galveston so Rita very well could come > ashore much weaker than she is now and it wouldn't be the > first time a hurricane took a hard right turn at the last > minute either. OK, so she probably *is* stupid for not > getting the hell out, but a death wish, that's uncool. I'm sorry. I have plenty of sympathy for those who are truly unable to change their situation due to economic or other circumstances beyond their immediate control. But I have NO sympathy for those who are merely ignorant. Darwinism indeed applies here. ------------------------------ From: "imsjry" Subject: Re: ndc-just saw some lady on CNN, shes not evacuation galveston Date: 22 Sep 2005 09:24:36 -0700 Stephen St. wrote: > Talk about stupid and selfish. This 50 something lady was being asked if she > was gonna evac, and she said no. She also said a lot of her friends arent > gonna leave. When asked why(I yelled my answer for her- "because Im > stoooooooopid"), she said that she and her friends didnt believe it was > going to hit directly or very hard. > > I mean WTF? Not only is she stupid, but she went on TV to brag on her > stupidity. People never, ever cease to amaze me. > > Question to left coasters...if somehow they could forcast a 8.0 magnatude > quake was gonna hit near you, would you evacuate? Why do you give a shit if people want to stay with their homes or not? Are you sure she's "stupid"? ------------------------------ From: "Richard Morris" Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:25:07 -0700 "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" wrote in message news:RZxYe.328$aB1.2690@eagle.america.net... > > "Tom Beck" wrote in message > news:433236D8.2050201@pclink.com... >> Richard Morris wrote: >> >>> "Tom Beck" wrote in message >> >> >>>>I know it sounds a bit harsh, and probably it's >>>>too late now, but when I was a much younger asshole >>>>I learned that a father's belt, though usually used >>>>to hold his pants up, can be put to other uses. >> >> >> >>> Gawd. Tom, we are talking about people who appear to lack impulse >>> control, or organizational skills, and there is nothing they can do >>> about it. You are suggesting beating them? >> >> I sincerely try not to tell others what to think or >> do. If I came across that way "Then what we got here, >> is a failure to communicate." I was a jerk shit young >> asshole when I had less years. It worked on me, that's >> all I know for sure. >> >>> >>> I have a young man right now who may be experiencing a mild form of >>> inattentive ADD. I asked him what it was like in the classroom for him, >>> and he described fairly frequent periods where he simply "fogs out" ... >>> his mind wanders, he loses track of his surroundings, he misses stuff >>> the teacher is talking about. >> >> >> I had a similar problem. Nowadays I think too much pot >> smoking in the parking lot was part of the problem. >> >> >> I picked up his story and asked him if he ever experienced >>> certain things that other kids diagnosed with ADD have described, and he >>> burst into tears! I asked him what was making him cry and he said it >>> was the first time anyone ever seemed to understand what he experiences. >>> His father just thinks he is lazy. >> >> >> That was my problem, in a nutshell. Lazy dip shit. >> >> Tom > > > I have a friend whose new husband supposedly has ADHD. He was diagnosed > by a doctor and put on some drug of some kind. > > His symptoms? He can't balance a checkbook, spends money he doesn't have, > and drives his wife crazy with forgetting to bring things home from the > store. > > Insetad of simply recognizing that she married a typical guy, she takes > him to a doctor and drugs him up! > > This is what I'm talking about. Every flaw, every failure, is now chalked > up to some mental illness and obviously a powerful mind altering drug is > the answer. The doctor was apparently quite eager to diagnose and > prescribe. > > He still forgets the bread and still spends money on porn DVD's. Society or culture, or whatever you want to call it, always tries to determine what is aberrant behavior. The whole profession of psychiatry is built around that concept. And, we now have all of these drugs that perform behavior controls. For better or for worse. Properly used, they allow people who would otherwise be disabled to have normal lives. I don't hear you objecting to that. I hear you objecting to the overuse of chemicals for the wrong reasons. I definitely wouldn't argue with that, and, I don't think I have. R. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Voting with the dead. (some dead content) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:28:41 GMT * There is NO way Boo Boo read that entire article. NO way. Bet. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:33:49 GMT > I was referring to the thousands of children who are falsely diagnosed > with (and medicated for) ADHD when they don't really have it, not Tristan. > >> I'm right. I KNOW. I LIVE IT! > > Eek! Please stop shouting at me! Sorry 'bout that, Muffin. It gets very frustrating when people make claims they can't back up other than thru "the media reports". I know quite a few people who live it, and none of us know ANY kids falsely diagnosed and medicated for ADHD when they haven't got it. This is because the drugs used to treat it, are speed. Speed will NOT calm down a kid with ADHD - the whole "kids are overmedicated to drug them into behaving" argument doesn't hold water at all, if you are someone who really knows about ADHD. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: 69 limited 10 cd set ~ Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:27:27 GMT "Jay" wrote in message news:z8CdnXmutJeuPK_eRVn-vg@adelphia.com... > just curious, homany here did grab up a copy ? i know i got one of the > last 20 , they were going fast and i knew i had better order , cant wait > till it gets here ! jay * One of the LAST 20....thats priceless...I WILL say.... GDP sure knows how to market they products...last 20! Me?....I'm waiting to trade for my copy. I bought one of the last 20 spindles of fujis in Best Buy. I do DECLARE! Sweet-Pants ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:37:31 GMT >> Kids are naturally impatient and bouncy. Since most of them have no parents >> around to guide or raise them during most of their day, and since the >> schools they leave them at are often dull and incredibly boring, it >> shouldn't surprise anyone that kids get antsie. I agree. But we're not talking apples and oranges even when comparing ADHD kids to regular kids... more like, oh, apples and corn. Yeah, it's THAT different. > > It seems to me that intelligent kids show signs of ADD more often than > average ones, even when the parent and teacher thinks they are > challenging them, the kids are still bored. Activities that involve a > physical and mental workout might calm the kids down a bit. Most kids with ADHD are of above-average intelligence. The point I think you are missing is that no amount of extra challenge is going to stop the myriad of sensory input they have so much trouble coping with - they cannot reason, remember or understand cause = effect, unless someone tells them *every single time*. It is insanely frustrating to parent a kid with ADHD. But more frustrating even for the kid. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:39:21 GMT > There are a lot of options to try before drugs, some parents are just > too impatient to try them and go right to the drugs, some kids just > don't respond to anything except a drug and the parents give them > ritalin rather than risk them becoming frustrated with their inability > to concentrate (and learn) or act in a socially acceptable way. > > What bothers me is how often the drugs are tried before anything else, > it has the makings of a giant conspiracy theory. Again, I know of NO parent who leaps at the chance to drug their kid. We try everything at hand, first. The drugs are a last resort, in every single case I have ever heard about. So... where are the studies, or cases, of these kids medicated at the drop of a hat? Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: Jim Subject: Merlefest 2006 w/ Bob Weir Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:40:21 -0400 Just a heads up. They announced the prelim artist lineup yesterday and one of the surprises is they have Bob Weir announced to play with The Wilders. I saw The Wilders last year at MF and they were great. Will be interesting to see Bob play with them. 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