From: Digestifier To: Subject: Dead-Flames Digest #365 Dead-Flames Digest #365, Volume #48 Wed, 21 Sep 05 20:00:02 PDT Contents: Re: WinMX ("Dave") Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page ("Bill") Re: issues (ndc) ("Ray") Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP (ba ba booie) Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) ("king88uy7") Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call ("Dave Kelly") Re: Rhino's Fillmore 3 disc set ("Bill") Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP (JC Martin) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: JGB (kwin buebly) Re: rock star (ndc) ("Rupert") Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Sherry) Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call ("Rupert") Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP (Tom Beck) Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like (Sherry) Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? ("Neil X.") Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like (Sherry) Re: Brave New World (Tom Beck) CLEVELAND: Free concert this Saturday 9/24/05!! (SLAPPY) Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like (Sherry) Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call (Ken Fortenberry) Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like (Sherry) Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? ("Neil X.") Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? ("Neil X.") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: Re: WinMX Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:42:00 +1200 "ck" wrote in message news:TNGdndL-0IgicqzeRVn-rA@adelphia.com... > > "Dave" wrote in message > news:dgsqs0$7pu$1@lust.ihug.co.nz... > > WinMX has been dead for about a day. www.winmx.com and www.frontcode.com > > are getting 404s. Can't raise alt.music.mp3.winmx. Anybody know what's > > going on? > > > > Dave > > > > > > RAIA. > > > Got this from another source. WinMX began its time as a simple OpenNap client in a time when Napster and Scour ruled the P2P scene. When Napster and Scour were banished from the Internet, WinMX's importance took on a new burden of importance. It reinvented itself from a mere OpenNap client to become one of the premier P2P networks of its day. During its height, WinMX, developed by FrontCode Technologies, eclipsed the Napster P2P network in not only resourcefulness, but also in population. During mid-2002, its population had reached over 1.5 million simultaneous users. With an active community, plenty of independent user forums and steady development it appeared there was nothing that could stop this network. Then something mysterious happened. From July 2003 to July 2004, there were no updates to WinMX - nothing to improve the network architecture, the dreaded queues or any other attributes. Then in July 2004 after nearly a year of frustration, FrontCode released addition betas which many perceived as a mere "filler" versions. Version 3.53 did little more than feature "a major upgrade of the chat component and other minor improvements." Another beta version (3.54) was subsequently released, which improved the media library. That would be the last anyone would hear from WinMX ever again. Slyck maintained communications with FrontCode president Kevin Hearn, who stated that work was still being continued on the mystical version 4.0. During the early part of the summer, Mr. Hearn told Slyck.com that something might be available towards the end of the 2005 summer. However, another plot twist appears to have mixed things up once again. On September 13, 2005, WinMX was the recipient of a letter (along with 6 other P2P firms) from the RIAA. The letter demanded the receiving developers they cease infringing operations immediately, and offered to "discuss pre-litigation resolution of these claims." Like Alberto Treves' decision to release the source of Ares Galaxy, or Sam Yagan's decision to join the DCIA, every move a P2P developer makes is immediately questioned to be in direct response to the RIAA's letter campaign. Such is the case for FrontCode Technologies. Or should we say WinMX Technology Associates? Currently, the WinMX.com homepage, the FrontCode.com homepage, the WinMX PNP Network and all of its host caches are down. It is impossible to connect to the network, and those remaining online will only stay online as long as their host supernodes do. But is this the end of WinMX? Perhaps not. Interestingly enough, if one conducts a DNS whois for "WinMX.com", the result directs owner ship to a "WinMX Technology Associates" - not FrontCode Technologies as it has in the past. Even more interesting is the geographical relocation from Toronto, Canada to Port Villa, Vanuatu. Many will remember that Sharman Networks pulled a similar stunt to avoid prosecution in the Netherlands and to capitalize on "tax efficiencies." FrontCode.com is still registered in Canada. Kevin Hearn, who is usually readily available for comment with Slyck.com, has not responded to inquiries for several weeks. Before anyone clamors the end of the WinMX PNP network, time needs to be given to allow for this development to unfold. Although it appears WinMX.com was reregistered prior to this event, its occurrence cannot be downplayed until this fluid situation is resolved.Dave ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: The Dubious Jimmy Page Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:49:19 GMT "Deke_Rivers" wrote in message news:1127347387.813418.16260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >Cippolina was a fucking monster. NOBODY sounded like him > > So true! And nobody used that whammy bar as well as he did. He's way > underrated. > Pierre Let's not go overboard. Cippolina was good but so are/were lots of other players. I liked the guitar playing of Barry Melton, who played with him in The Dinosaurs, more than I did Cippolina's when I saw The Dinosaurs live (probably close to ten times). I just didn't find him much more than a good bar band guitarist which there is no shortage of. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Ray" Subject: Re: issues (ndc) Date: 21 Sep 2005 17:51:13 -0700 Criminal Fascist Monster wrote: > not a single one of you dumb pinko bastards even mentioned : the evil > f--k with the anthrax factory > > the evil one(s) has had four years to stuff envelopes full of anthrax > to kill us ( or our children) Good point. It's been four years since the evil one(s) mailed anthrax to several media organizations and to two U.S. senators (Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy), killing 5 people and almost killing several others. (Is it a coincidence that no right-wing media outlets or politicians were targeted, and that the senators that were targeted were both Democrats, one being the most powerful, and the other one of the most liberal? Perhaps.) But the Bush Administration is no closer to finding those evil one(s) than it is to finding Bin Laden - hey at least they are consistent. Ray ------------------------------ From: Jazare@webtv.net (ba ba booie) Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:42:59 -0400 Simon Wiesenthal RIP sdegennaro1111@sbcglobal.net (Criminal=A0Fascist=A0Monster) wrote: wish we could say the same for 6 million others, RIP bbb wrote: That's a lot of people. I still don't understand how something like that could have happen in such a short time ago. Was the rest of the world not aware that this was going on? I never did see Schindlers list. You would figure someone (other countries) would have heard about something about the killings when more than 100,000 people being were being gassed. But 6 million? That is barbaric. That part of history "can never" happen again. But for it to happen in the first place is very disturbing. booie has a living aunt that is a Holocaust survivor. .. .. .. Have you checked these sites out today? http://www.jambase.com http://www.jambands.com http://www.jambase.com/festivals .. Find out where your favorite band is playing. Pollstar (the concert hotwire) http://pollstar.com ------------------------------ From: "king88uy7" Subject: Re: The REAL Disaster (NDC) Date: 21 Sep 2005 17:59:30 -0700 Richard Morris: >Gee. Something tells me that you are white. Very white. Whoa. There's nothing wrong with that, is there ? ------------------------------ From: "Dave Kelly" Subject: Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:04:31 GMT "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message news:ZUmYe.956$uA6.439@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com... > Kristine is half Swedish, half Irish, 49 years old and > that blonde hair she had when I married her is turning > *red* in her middle age. * Kristine sounds like Ann Margaret.....albeit an Ann Margaret that hit the wall years ago and moved to Champagne-Urbana. Is that what I'm to assume? Hmm....what does Mary Ann look like? SweetPants ------------------------------ From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Rhino's Fillmore 3 disc set Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:10:46 GMT "Olompali4" wrote in message news:1127347070.061911.26620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > In case ya' missed the 10 disc Ltd. Ed. > This'll be retail compilation > > Fillmore 1969 > > disc1 > Morning Dew > Good Morning Little School Girl > Doin' That Rag > I'm A King Bee > Cosmic Charlie > Turn On Your Lovelight > > disc2 > Dupree's Diamond Blues > Mountains Of The Moon > Dark Star > St. Stephen > Eleven, The > Death Don't Have No Mercy > > disc3 > That's It For The Other One > Alligator > Drums > Jam > Caution (Do Not Step On The Tracks) > Feedback > We Bid You Goodnight Thanks. Where did you find this. I checked the Dead's site and Rhino's and didn't see anything about this. I'm wondering if they put the dates from where the above are from. Thanks, Bill ------------------------------ From: JC Martin Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:20:26 GMT ba ba booie wrote: > > > Simon Wiesenthal RIP > > > sdegennaro1111@sbcglobal.net (Criminal Fascist Monster) wrote: > wish we could say the same for 6 million others, RIP > > bbb wrote: > That's a lot of people. > I still don't understand how something like that could have happen in > such a short time ago. Was the rest of the world not aware that this was > going on? > > I never did see Schindlers list. > > You would figure someone (other countries) would have heard about > something about the killings when more than 100,000 people being were > being gassed. But 6 million? That is barbaric. > > That part of history "can never" happen again. But for it to happen in > the first place is very disturbing. The slaughtering of masses of people based on tribal affiliations in not a unique phenomenon in world unfortunately though. Germany was indeed one of the big ones in modern history, but its emphasis has a lot to do with European culture. For instance, you don't hear much talk about Rwanda in which 800,000 people slaughtered in only 100 days. Given the country's size, that's huge numbers. -JC ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:26:29 GMT > Obviously, this route is not the way for a kid to go. I guess my point is > one day your kid will have a moment when all of it makes sense and he will > slow down and take it all in. Thats my guess. He's more into rap... though he likes Marley and Dylan - he's VERY into Dylan right now. > Or, get a yellow labrador and it will occupy all his time and energy. > Nah, he doesn't much dig dogs. We've always had at least a couple (big ones, never had one of those yappy types ) and he's more a cat kinda guy. He did sports of many kinds for years, but around high school didn't want to any more. I'm hoping he'll start skating this winter, he was pretty good as a goalie when he was around 13 or so. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:34:39 GMT > Try getting him off sugar. He doesn't use much sugar aside from when he buys a soda when he's out. We have water and milk here. And several kinds of juice. We don't have candy or much in the way of sweet stuff. Though, he does like sweet tea. He's 18, and he's been on "no sugar" diets when he was little and I could control what he ate to a degree - it had no effect. >Try getting him to a therapist who > specializes in time management and goal setting. He's been in therapy since he was about 4, and completed a year in a group home dealing in behavior management. >Oh, I forgot, you know best. And your address is? What's the best time for him to arrive? >And I'm an asshole! ;-) Hmm. Better rescind that trip above. >But really, there's no reason he can't > get his license at 18. I didn't pass the first two times. You are NOT him. But I hope he can equal your record. Third time's the charm, right? Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:37:38 GMT >>> The Bush administration actually proposed that all schoolkids be tested >>> by >>> shrinks for this phony ADD BS and then drugged appropriately. > >> Now that's sheer bullshit. Believe me, if a kid has ADHD serious enough to >> need help, his parents are going to know already. > > Not sure if you mean I'm full of shit for claiming this is true or if you > mean the proposal is bullshit. Sorry, I don't mean you're full of shit, I mean that proposal is bullshit! > According to a recent article in the British Medical Journal, US president > George Bush is to announce a major "mental health" initiative in this coming > month of July. The proposal will extend screening and psychiatric medication > to kids and grown-ups all over the US, following a pilot scheme of > recommended medication practice developed in Texas and already exported to > several other states. Okay - my thought on reading this is: Be Afraid. Be VERY Afraid. I'm either channeling Joe, or this country is in deeper shit than I thought. Maybe both! Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: kwin buebly Subject: Re: JGB Reply-To: usenetonly@nospam.net Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:38:13 GMT On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:12:31 -0700, Mike wrote: >DanPopp wrote: >> Hiya >> >> 2 things >> >> Why no JGB on archive? >> >> Where's Sugarmegs? >> >JGB didn't allow taping... except for free performances, like the Golden Gate Bandshell show just prior to the Greek shows later that day. ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: rock star (ndc) Date: 21 Sep 2005 18:41:52 -0700 I only regret that I can't devote even less time to reality TV than I do now. The only show I do watch (besides Cops), is The Surreal Life...occasionally. It's great to watch washed-up hack stars fight with each other like they're still somebody! But put "real" people in a contest against each other and I couldn't give a rat's ass, especially if it's a bunch of pretty twenty-somethings who all think their shit doesn't stink. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:44:41 GMT in article ZUjYe.1555$Ba2.709@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, Stephen St. at stephen@nospam.net wrote on 9/21/05 17:03: >> On the other hand, if you have ever worked with a true ADD kid, then you >> would have to reconsider your comments above. >> >> We are not talking about squirrely kids with an abundance of energy here >> ... we are talking about kids who seem not to have the ability to >> discrimate amongst all the sense data coming in to them, and who appear >> not to have a linear, sequential, logical bone in their bodies. They are >> incredibly abstract and highly disorganized and sort of random. > > With all respect to your post and information... > > The last paragraph sounds like me at Hampton 5/1/81 > Imagine if you were like that 24/7. Every single day of your life. Now imagine parenting such a child/person. It ain't easy. But, whenever I feel sorry for myself, I remember it's even harder for him, just to function as an "ordinary" adult takes SO much more work, energy and concentration for him. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:47:03 GMT > Parents that don't set boundaries for their kids run into these problems > all the time. To discount parental influence and hype medication as the > solution to man's mental ills is truly a disturbing trend, especially > here in America and especially given that other methods work just as > effectively without hindering the development of a child's brain. Sad. And that explains why my other 3 kids are "fine"?! I'm a terrible parent to one and not the others? Have you even read ONE of my posts? Or Richard's? Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:49:45 GMT > But I wasn't doing that Richard and it's unfair really to say to. I > never put forth the idea that ADD is diagnosed by brain scan (not true > for the most part and certainly not scientific) and then follow by > saying, "I'm right. I KNOW. I LIVE IT!". I mean, come on. The way > Sherry put forth her argument was that she's right cause her kid has > been diagnosed and treated. End of discussion. Well, I proposed that > it wasn't the end of the discussion. There are other valid > views...views held by professionals in the field of psychology and > psychiatry. Bullshit. So no mistakes are made about what I mean: JC, you are full of shit. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:57:00 GMT > That was why I got so excited > by Sherry's remark that there was a brain-scan diagnosis, because I thought > perhaps she had become aware of something new. In reality, I suspect she > mis-spoke about that. I'm actually planning to call my son's doctor tomorrow and ask to clarify that. But I'm pretty sure that's what the record (mri-type brain image - I am not sure of the exact machine they used) says. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Brave New World From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:58:19 GMT > She also didn't share what alternative methods she used before > medication. Again: try rereading my posts. Or perhaps, as it seems by your posts, reading them for the first time. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "Rupert" Subject: Re: Rex Benefi: Roll Call Date: 21 Sep 2005 19:02:20 -0700 I got backstage at the Phil show on 7/1/01, and there really wasn't that much going on back there. The band retreated downstairs afterwards, and my buddy and I had nothing else to do but stand back there in the hospitality tent and drink the band's beer. Molo did come by and we had quite a nice conversation, great guy. Put us on the list for Oklahoma City the following week, but that's a whole other story... ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Simon Wiesenthal RIP Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:08:03 -0500 ba ba booie wrote: > > > Simon Wiesenthal RIP > > > sdegennaro1111@sbcglobal.net (Criminal Fascist Monster) wrote: > wish we could say the same for 6 million others, RIP > > bbb wrote: > That's a lot of people. > I still don't understand how something like that could have happen in > such a short time ago. Was the rest of the world not aware that this was > going on? Yes, sadly it was. But for a variety of reasons didn't do too much about it. Fighting the Germans was no joke though, and probably took just about everything a country like the U.K. could muster. And the Japanese were pretty tough cookies too. > > I never did see Schindlers list. It's intense, to say the least. > > You would figure someone (other countries) would have heard about > something about the killings when more than 100,000 people being were > being gassed. But 6 million? That is barbaric. It was extremely barbaric. The full extent wasn't known until the end though, partly because the Soviet Union had never conducted a census of its people and had no accurate way of knowing how many were missing. > > That part of history "can never" happen again. I wish it for you. But look at Rwanda and the Sudan. But for it to happen in > the first place is very disturbing. "Very disturbing" is putting it rather mildly. > > booie has a living aunt that is > a Holocaust survivor. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:06:06 GMT > Your own? Seriously, did you try taking your kid off sugar? Did you > set immovable boundaries and provide an intense structured environment? > Did you enroll him in some type of assertiveness training and/or seek > out one who specializes in cognitive therapy? If you didn't do all the > above, then you put your kid on medications which could hinder the > development of a growing child's brain. You also put tons of > carcinogens in yours kid's body. Your experience and your group's > experience is not the only experience or necessarily the best course to > take. The fact that you said brain scans are what's used to determine > ADHD/ADD shows how misinformed you are. Brain scans are highly > questionable in the scientific field. Questionnaires are in fact the #1 > diagnostic tool for diagnosing ADD, not brain scans. Please read my posts again. Please read each word carefully. The answers are there. Really. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "Neil X." Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: 21 Sep 2005 19:06:12 -0700 > Steve wrote: > > sounds like a Booie post...hee hee.. Uh, well, yeah, the style was deliberately an homage to booie. But the question is sincere. I really don't understand the appeal of gambling, so the casinos hold zero interest. I also don't much feel like spending $300 a night, or driving a long way after the show. Seems like I'm going to have to choose one or the other. Phil playing in a House of Blues, in a scummy casino city, it is gonna be a trip, though, no doubt about it. Even without the fractals. How many people does a House of Blues hold? The one in Boson couldn't have held more than 500. Peace, Neil X. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:07:59 GMT > I find people who don't want to argue about important topics and defend > their views on said topics to be rather dull. > > Everyone wants to avoid anything that disturbs their little world view or > their idea of what their world should be like. Like a rambunctious kid. Your address, Toad? Obviously, I enjoy conversation, as I do many things in life. Like rambunctious kids. ;P Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: Tom Beck Subject: Re: Brave New World Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:14:11 -0500 Sherry wrote: > > > He's been in therapy since he was about 4, and completed a year in a group > home dealing in behavior management. I know it sounds a bit harsh, and probably it's too late now, but when I was a much younger asshole I learned that a father's belt, though usually used to hold his pants up, can be put to other uses. ------------------------------ From: SLAPPY Crossposted-To: rec.music.phish Subject: CLEVELAND: Free concert this Saturday 9/24/05!! Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:10:44 GMT SLAP, a jazz-jam quartet, will be playing a FREE concert this saturday, September 24 from Noon til 3pm at Market Square Park (across from the West Side Market near downtown Cleveland).  For further information, please see http://www.slapjazz.com  Cya all there!  SLAPPY ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:12:53 GMT > I have a completely different view and > she made the assumption that those with differing view merely got those > views from the media. Sorry, I crossed no line. Just tellin' it like > it should be told. I have no idea whether she tried other legitimate > methods first because she refuses to disclose what she tried before > putting her kid on meds. Unless I know for sure, I'm not gonna take her > word for it. If you have an opinion which you present as scientific > fact, you better have the goods to back it up and or at least be able to > stand the heat for it. > If you want to act like your life > experience is superior to everyone else's, step to the plate. Just > because she put her kid on meds and has a support group doesn't make her > views ivory tower material. And your proof of all you claim is... where? I have medical records. And bills and documents and plans of every damn thing to try from organic, wheat and sugar free to heavy duty behavior mod. I really do know what the fuck I am talking about. I am involved in it EVERY DAY in my real life. As I have been for nearly 19 years. As you'd KNOW if you read my previous posts on the subject (other thread, Brave New World in case you forgot, JC). Richard sees thousands of kids all the time and HE doesn't see this huge problem that you claim you have proof exists - and your "proof" is because the media said so. Are you insane, as well as an asshole? Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: Ken Fortenberry Subject: Re: Rex Benefit: Roll Call Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:13:53 GMT Dave Kelly wrote: > ... > Hmm....what does Mary Ann look like? That's her, second from the left. http://www.wedgeworld.com/stalkers/celebrities/gilligan.jpg ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ndc-two subjects not to discuss with folks you like From: Sherry Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:16:04 GMT > Personally, I try to avoid the name calling, but I'm not going to get > too offended if it's directed towards me. Been there, done that. I'm a > Usenet veteran. Normally I don't call names. But in certain recent situations there is relevancy. Sherry in Vermont ------------------------------ From: "Neil X." Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: 21 Sep 2005 19:19:12 -0700 > mjd wrote: > > A/C is a weird place - all glitz and money-grubbing tackiness along the > boardwalk where the casinos are, then a block or two in it changes to > post-war Dresden. > > The casino hotel rates jump dramatically on Fridays/Saturdays (like > triple, from $100 to $300/nite), so if you're going to all 3 shows > you'll take quite a hit after Thursday. You can save quite a bit by > staying close by, in Absecon for example. You'll find motels around > most of the nearby mainland, but avoid anything on Route 30 or in > Pleasantville (it's not Pleasant). OK, this is some great information. Thanks, mjd. Knowing where is safe, and where isn't, is key. I'll definitely look in Absecon and avoid Pleasantville. (Why is it that places with names like "pleasant" seldom are?) > Leave the fleaspray, take the cannoli... I have no idea what you mean by this. Peace, Neil X. ------------------------------ From: "Neil X." Subject: Re: What's It Like in Atlantic City? Date: 21 Sep 2005 19:25:58 -0700 > Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote: > > The hotels are mostly nice and clean and some verge on nice. The rest of > the town is similar to the 9th ward of New Orleans, which you must be > familiar with from TV of late. > > Go, you'll have tons of cheesy fun. Oh, we're going. We mailed Ruby over $600 for tickets; we're going, you can bet on it. It sounds like one could have a Fear-and-Loathing experience in AC that would make Vegas seem like Iowa...... 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